TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[baz1701]

I can't wait to see it... it's Star Trek. And any trek during this "lean time" is better than no trek at all.

Wish I could agree with you. For me Star Trek always stood for something that was proud of its roots, so far what I have seen JJ Abrahams was done an Italian Job on the TOS.

I understood that the ship would have some updating but that could have been done whilst keeping the feel of the classic ship we all loved. But no like Ron Moore's battlestar galatica they have taken the names and basic idea and thrown out the look and feel. I can understand that re-imagined is the buzz word in Hollywood, but that should be for stuff that need re-imagining (case point Ang Lee's Hulk compared to the last film) but TOS Trek was not broken so why p@$s on a Picasso. Lets see something new and original.

For me the 8th May 2009 could be the day IStar Trek is officially dead for me, and I'd rather watch 40 year old re-runs of a quality show than a watered down facsimile of something I care for.

As for the Ship that is an insult to Matt Jefferys. And I hope it is just a trick to throw us off since that is not the ship from the first teaser trailer

[Vortex]

I was able to make my peace with the new bridge, but this is just way to much.... it's wrong.

[Voyager16]

wtf, the ship it out of place or something.
The parts dont match in my view.

[Barihawk]

You know, I remember when a certain series debuted, people said it was the end of Trek. It was based on politics and religion (two things Roddenberry hated) and war and violence as opposed to the boy scout Jamboree of earlier television shows. It then went on to become the most popular and mainstream Trek show ever and won more awards than all of the other four versions of the franchise combined.

That is why I give this a chance. And personally after putting my thought process in this manner, that ship looks damn good.

[Barihawk]

The problem is that Trek is not ready for "new and original." You can't use a new crew in a new film without a new television show to showcase them in, which is not going to happen if the movie tanks. Nobody would see it except a few die hard Trekkies who would then complain it's too original and needs more familiar faces.

Or, we could use one of the familiar crews based in a new situation. Nobody except for die hard Trekkies would want to see it as not everyone has seen every episode of ENT, VOY, DS9 and would be lost, meaning the movie would meet the same fate as Nemesis (good movie, but way too many references to the other Trek series which lost people). The TNG crew have ALL stated that they are too old or uninterested in doing another movie, although are willing to do television appearances.

So what are we left with? Trek is at a crossroads. We can't move forward without Trek 2009 making a killing at the box office, and we can't afford to stare back at what has come. This is not a "re-imagining" like BSG or the others as the story is NOT being rewritten. A visual reimagining is all that is what has happened.

If this movie is successful at the box office (which from what I am seeing so far and gauging media reaction it is going to be one of the megahits of next year) we will get our series. It has visually exciting and updated stuff for the newcomers, and plenty of backstory for the fans.

Pretend that Starfleet meets some supertechnologically advanced aliens a few years after the film which makes bridge and ship design more simple looking but more powerful if you really need to justify it. The movie is going to be good, and sitting here 6 months before release saying "It's going to blow and suck and nobody will go see it because the ship looks a bit different" is going to do nothing but make you unhappy.

[baz1701]

I agree and disagree on several of your points. I agree that they have to cater towards the non-trek fan to put bums on seats. I feel the main focus of the problem that I and from what I have read on the boards is they are not showing any regard towards the TOS faithful in regards to the look of the film.

Since alot of the modern day trekkie was introduced to trek through TNG onwards they are so used to LCARS covered bridges they show little regard to the origin of their design. And if they are not careful the 24th century ships will look more primitive than the "re-imagined" 23rd Century ships.

I just feel they could have updated it without a total redesign. Every trek series or film from TMP through to Nemesis has always started at the Matt Jeffrey's design for a starship. It has been proven that you can update the look without making it unrecognisable (case point TMP bridge and Connie refit).

As for the story I will reserve judgement until I have seen it.

"It's going to blow and suck and nobody will go see it because the ship looks a bit different"

I'm sorry but from the pic I posted above it is more than a little different, though not a overly bad looking ship the Enterprise it is not.

just to conclude my rant. I like the casting, have to reserve judgement on the story. But so far I don't like the visual changes to it.

As a side note I was the same about the Transformers live action film until I saw it, and liked it

[JimmyB76]

guys - there were about 4 threads all going on at the same time and all more or less around the same idea...

so ive gone ahead and merged the threads to create this one thread - the last few pages may have messed up posts that might not exactly all go in order, so i apologize for any confusion...

i just figured one giant thread that is all about the photos, images, footage, etc etc from the next film, anything spoiler-wise, would be easier to keep track of rather than 4 different threads...

i know this may seem confusing, and i apologize again - but after some posts go by and time goes on, it should start making sense again...
_{*runs from all the rocks being thrown at me* lol}

[eclipse74569]

You'd better apologize Jimmy . *runs after you with a trout*

I applaud people who are open minded with it, but at the same time, don't expect me to have high spirits about it.  And you're not gonna change my mind about it either .

Ship looks almost fan-boyish, sorry to say it.

[Barihawk]

Ship looks almost fan-boyish, sorry to say it.

I completely agree with the rest of your post, but lol. Sorry. The irony in general (not directed towards you) is just funny.

[baz1701]

Ship looks almost fan-boyish, sorry to say it.

Understatment of the decade.

[baz1701]

I did this as a rough idea of how it will look

[086gf]

Its...different for sure and like some have said, i'll place final judgement when I see it in motion and from more angles. Though overtime I might get used to it.

of course, the TMP ship had no aft torpedo tubes; I think this one won't either.  can't see any at least.  it would make sense to at least try adding a tube to the connie facing aft, I guess it was never used, and they remove it for the refit.  that's the story of the Constitution Class's three refits.  :arms:

They indeed were used onscreen and off.

this is how it should have looked like, had Abrams thought a little bit more about how it used to look
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/ENTERPRISE-new.jpg

You didn't even look at the pic otherwise you would notice its the same exact thing.

And I hope it is just a trick to throw us off since that is not the ship from the first teaser trailer

The details say otherwise.;)

[Vortex]

this is how it should have looked like, had Abrams thought a little bit more about how it used to look
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/ENTERPRISE-new.jpg

You didn't even look at the pic otherwise you would notice its the same exact thing.

Not quite.

[Nighthawk]

in the way of hull, yes, same plating, same saucer, same engines....

but certainly not the SAME thing in design. even so, the second one is still lacking a lengthening of the neck and the pylons. guess they ran out of space in the frame lol

[Vortex]

That's pretty close. I don't think that the nexk on your rendition goes back quite far enough.

Nice job for paint though.

[Voyager16]

I did this as a rough idea of how it will look

looks good, but I find the ship streched out O_o

[Ambassador]

Ex Astra Scientia posted an article today about the new design.  Consider Bernd's normal level of criticism...

Though I don't like it much either.  I think Starforce2 nailed it when he called it a kitbash.

[Barihawk]

A note. It has been revealed by the creator of the ship that this was an unflattering shot. The nacelles do, in fact, clear the saucer section.

Richard Sternbach who originally hated this image got a sneak peak at the ship in motion and said it's so much better than what we saw in this released shot.

[eclipse74569]

Ship looks almost fan-boyish, sorry to say it.

Understatment of the decade.

You mean CENTURY

Barihawk:  Eh, let's hope you're right

[baz1701]

It is a fine looking ship. Just does not feel like an Enterprise.

I think the problem is for me I love the TMP Enterprise more than her original look, but I have this horid feeling what the refit connie would look like if this was the start point.