USS Acheron WIP (update 02/25/08)

[Aeries]

what's your prob?
too fat a$$?^^

LMAO!

Edit: Hey Rengers, about this ship's role... to me, she appears to be a fast interceptor of sorts. Lightly shielded, yet armed enough to hold off a target until reinforcements arrive. Maybe like a futuristic Intrepid? Or a lighter variant of Dj's Vivance? Just an idea. It's an interesting design, so it's hard for me to personally say... right now, I'd place her as a fast interceptor.

[Nighthawk]

I suggest you guys start seeing the HP's on KM 1.0
I think Rob Archer is already doing this for New Frontier, but in the meantime it would be fun to use it outside it: if this ship has Type Whatever phasers and torpedoes, I suggest you add the damage values of a ship which has that Type Whatever weapons.
say, if this is the lineage of the Vivace, use Vivace phasers (Type XVI ???). I'm not talking about hull strenght, but phaser, torpedoes, and shield settings
in that way, you will be head-to-head in terms of strenght with the rest of the ships available nowadays.

[Billz]

I'm liking this one alot rengers. Nicely done. Only thing that looks off to me is the 2 smaller warp grills (blue things) you have on the nacelles just after the large warp grills. Id make them one large warp grill. But thats just my opinion though.

Still looks awesome that way you have it there.

[Shadowknight1]

from my part, before throwing an opinion, I'll wait until you start the textures.
I was doing a similar design on the Zeus (hull with side-placed nacelles) but I dropped it because I saw it non-federation like. Federation ships have their signature on nacelles bent upwards.
but if you end with a decent texture for it, maybe it will do.

Not really, there's the Miranda, Soyuz, Akira, and Norway classes that all have downward nacelles.  Then there's the Defiant, Prometheus, and Steamrunner classes with odd engine configurations.

As to this, it's quite interesting!

[Darkthunder]

I'm liking this one alot rengers. Nicely done. Only thing that looks off to me is the 2 smaller warp grills (blue things) you have on the nacelles just after the large warp grills. Id make them one large warp grill. But thats just my opinion though.

Still looks awesome that way you have it there.

I like the added smaller warp grills on the nacelles. Gives the ship a bit of unique look without necessary making it look dumb in any way. *cough* *cough Galaxy-X

[Weasel]

Well, it looks small, fast, and maneuverable, so I picture this as an FAC, or a Fast Attack Craft- or perhaps as a medium corvette at the most. As such, I'd arm it with heavy frontal torpedo, and pulse-phaser batteries, and a number of medium-strength phaser arrays to provide coverage to the other arcs.
She's equipped for attacking large, heavily-defended HVU's, and getting the Hell out of Dodge. This sucker doesn't slug it out- she dances, and strafes, and then performs a few tight evasive maneuvers as she escapes at high-speed, out-running the less-maneuverable survivors, and depending on her very strong aft shields to protect the ship from return fire.

Alternatively, this ship would make a great reconnaissance ship, a high-speed courier/transport, or as a light escort for large, fast Federation cap-ships- such as the Century-class.   

[Nighthawk]

Not really, there's the Miranda, Soyuz, Akira, and Norway classes that all have downward nacelles. 

I was referring to those heirs of the connie design. the connie is the icon of Trek.

Then there's the Defiant, Prometheus, and Steamrunner classes with odd engine configurations.

yah, but somehow they managed to make them eye-candy.
seeing the early designs of those ships you get to think "thank god they changed it"

[mayhemuk]

Instead of making it a fast attack craft, or some kind of warship, why dont you work out a pratical use for it, some sort of explorer ship, but it has enough fire power and shields to get it self out of trouble.

[El]

Instead of making it a fast attack craft, or some kind of warship, why dont you work out a pratical use for it, some sort of explorer ship, but it has enough fire power and shields to get it self out of trouble.

Just like the Galaxy was designed to be.

[Weasel]

Instead of making it a fast attack craft, or some kind of warship, why dont you work out a pratical use for it, some sort of explorer ship, but it has enough fire power and shields to get it self out of trouble.

 :roll: Hmmm ,what a novel idea... I wish I'd thought of that. And even if it's only armed with a single phaser, it's still a warship.

Anyway, that was the whole point behind Voyager, right? An explorer armed with enough firepower, and replicators, and shuttles, etc. to get itself out of trouble. And how did that show end? Oh yeah, with Voyager being refitted as an Uber-Gawd warship, very nearly wiping out the entire Borg menace single-handedly.

[Nighthawk]

Anyway, that was the whole point behind Voyager, right? An explorer armed with enough firepower, and replicators, and shuttles, etc. to get itself out of trouble. And how did that show end? Oh yeah, with Voyager being refitted as an Uber-Gawd warship, very nearly wiping out the entire Borg menace single-handedly.

another reason to go with the HP I suggested earlier ^^
fast engines, medium shields and two or three Galaxy phaser arcs well placed and you'll be outta 'ere in roughly good shape  :lol:
also, unless you're ordered to hold a Dominion invasion wave, what need do you have on fighting when you can run home and bring a big4$$ gun?

[intrepid90]

Instead of making it a fast attack craft, or some kind of warship, why dont you work out a pratical use for it, some sort of explorer ship, but it has enough fire power and shields to get it self out of trouble.

yeah exactly, several purposes...
But why not making an assault class?
of course, fed was always a peaceful organisation, but you can't tell me that a defiant or a sovy were designed/built as such.
So, Fed always had assault ships, and so I think it would be consequent to follow that and make it a (light) attack cruiser... *imo

Just like the Galaxy was designed to be.

[Weasel]

Even the mighty US Navy operates FAC's and Corvettes. Sometimes, two or three FAC's can operate as a tactical group, to do the job of a capital ship, so that the really powerful HVU's can be used on a more critical mission elsewhere. And several such units using stealth, speed and maneuverability, intelligence, high-tech weaponry, and the advantage of geographic choke points, can wreak havoc on much heavier vessels like cruisers and carriers.

It's an asymmetrical warfare asset, meant for hit and run attacks against a stronger enemy force. Like the USN, the Federation isn't always going to be the biggest force on the scene. And like the USN, there is a place for small combat ships such as the one depicted here to achieve tactical objectives through the use of asymmetrical warfare.     

[Aeries]

Seems to me that a ship of this design is well fitted as a multi-purpose vessel, suited to both exploration and, in times of war, a FAC. So I feel inclined to agree with nighthawk, all things considered. But perhaps we ought to wait and see what the author thinks, hmm? Just a thought... though I eagerly await the verdict.

-Aeries.

[rengers]

Thanks all for the comments

I was away the last 2 days, so sorry that I don't put one's oar in yet.

First, I totally agree with weasel, voyager was at the end much to overpowered.
Personally I like very much the Idea from Nighthawk with the HP, and I think I will go for it.
So this ship will be multi-purpose vessel, will have medium shilds and will be fast as hell  ,
and when it's necassary, it's still a FAC

[Aeries]

You've done a great job so far. And it's just occurred to me that this ship actually bears some minor resemblances to my Mithra. They almost match, in some regards. Can't wait to see both our projects finished, so I can fly them side-by-side and REALLY get a good comparison.... then have them blow eachother up in the good ol' BC fashion.

Keep up the good work.

-Aeries.

[rengers]

Thanks Aeries

Little update: I have worked a bit on the sec hull, not much, no deflector yet

[Aeries]

Lookin' good, keep at 'er. ^_^

[rengers]

update:

I was a bit quiet the last few weeks, it's beceause I'm very busy at the moment with other things in my life.
Anyway, I have found today some time to work on this

C&C are welcome!

Edit: I have added a wireframe shot for those who are interested 

[Glenn]

Superb rengers!!

I really like this new design, the saucer has a flowing streamlined look to it, and I really like the amount of detail you've put into the secondary hull.

This ship is excellent, I really hope it gets released lol.  8) 8)