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« Reply #340 on: April 13, 2008, 06:37:42 PM »
Take helium out, put water in (which heppens to weight 1ton per cubic meter), admire biggest water balloon in existence?

Water weights so much you probably wouldn't even need to fill it all the way up, and take the helium out (Airships also usually have two bags inside, one with helium and one they inflate/deflate with normal air in order to control altitude)

Or maybe you just park it with a very long rope over the clouds? Its not as if the engines are running to stay "up". Albait that has the chance of also making one of the most expensive lighting rods in existance as well.

Or maybe, why other lightweight but with big surface area, like the millenium dome, (or camp tents) constructions don't take off anyway? I would assume one of the reason because of their shape, which allows air to go "over it" but not "under it" in order to push it up, as well as because they are tied to various foundations.
A tent usually has central supports to keep the middle up, here the central support would be the airship itself which instead could unroll from the top of it a piece of fabric, the rim of it could be, eh "zipped" (like trouser zippers), to the ground so technically the airship has created its own hangar (The end result would look like a big cone or something).
Except that this assumes dedicated zepellin landing plots with the ground half of the zipper prepared.


 

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RE: Somewhat Useful Facts Thread
« Reply #341 on: April 13, 2008, 09:26:13 PM »
It's insanity time!

I drew this: (for 77 million you can have it)



I say its a sketch of a 4D human.

Who gets it?

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« Reply #342 on: April 14, 2008, 09:27:00 AM »
...not many apparently.

Explanation:
The 4th dimension is time right?

A dimension is basically something that allows two objects to have some of the same coordinates but not "fall on top of each other".

In X space, object in coordinates 5 and object in coordinates 5 fall on top of each other.
In X,Y space object in coordinates 5,3 and object in coordinates 5,7 despite having the same X, yet somehow are not in the same place.
In X,Y,Z space, object in coordinates 5,4,6 and object in coordinates 5,4,8 despite having the same X,Y, yet somehow are not in the same place.
And so, in X,Y,Z,T space, object in coordinates 5,7,2,4(sec) and object in coordinates 5,7,2,8(sec) might have the same X,Y,Z yet somehow are not in the same place. (very useful when you cross a road)

Now, usually when you try to show a higher dimension in a lower one you usually have a "projection".
The 2d projection of a sphere for example is a circle. And of a wire cube is a shape like this:


Wouldn't a 4d projection in 3d then be basically something like a time exposed photograph then? Only in 3D, so it's more like a sculpture. Which in turn if you projected on 2d, would look like a time exposed / long exposure photograph.

A 4d human in other words, would be a still long, convulted snake thing, with twists and turns according to the 3d places it has/will visited/visit, a section of which would look, well, like a human.

At one end said snake would start the size of a cell, grow "thicker" and finally break up into little threads when it dies and decomposes.
(for the record, before it started the size of a cell, the two sex cells were two different threads of their own. As are all other components, proteins atoms etc. So in a way a lot of threads come together to a big snake knot kind of thing and then break again)

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RE: Somewhat Useful Facts Thread
« Reply #343 on: April 14, 2008, 01:14:05 PM »
I got it Senator, and no, I won't pay that much for it.

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« Reply #344 on: April 14, 2008, 01:35:14 PM »
Personally, I would refute the idea that fourth dimensional experience is like time lapse photography. That's not seeing in four dimensions, it's seeing all possible co-ordinates simultaneously, assuming time acts as a spatial dimension (which it really doesn't). When you look at a large painting, you don't see all the points in a particular dimension at once. Seeing in four dimensions would be akin to looking left and right, but also being able to look a completely different left and right that translate as forwards and backwards through time.

Actually, I've put some more thought into it and I may refine that position later, but I'm 100% sure that seeing something in four dimensions isn't time-lapse photography. It's a good enough model for artistic purposes though, and I'm sure you can blitz some art critics with that kind of gumph.
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« Reply #345 on: April 14, 2008, 01:44:16 PM »
If you want to mention hypercubes there, those in that model would be 5D because they too have duration.

Specifically the way I count right now, it goes:

Tesseract: 5D (X,Y,Z,W,T) (Length, Width, Height, Other, Duration)
Cube: 4D (X,Y,Z,T) (Length, Width, Height, Duration)
Photo: 3D (X,Y,T) (Length, Width, Duration)
Line: 2D (X,T) (Length, Duration)
Point: 1D (T) (Duration)
Nothing: 0D. Because it doesn't even have duration.

Time lapse photography, concerns Time, not a Tesseract's "other" dimension. And it is a projection of something 4D in 3D first, and then a projection of something 3D in 2D again. A tesseract in the meantime falling from 5D to 4D and from 4D to 3D would be sticking out of the photo.

And when people draw a tesseract in a flat surface, they actually draw, the projection, of a projection of a time section, of a 5D object.
*brainxplode*

Having a consciousness based on 4D sections moving at one direction doesn't help much.

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RE: Somewhat Useful Facts Thread
« Reply #346 on: April 14, 2008, 02:47:38 PM »
So, as an all 4D perceiving creature what would you say is the story behind those life formations here?



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RE: Somewhat Useful Facts Thread
« Reply #347 on: April 14, 2008, 02:54:20 PM »
2 people fall in love, have a baby, couple get a divorce, someone gets murdered, child murders murderer of parent.
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RE: Somewhat Useful Facts Thread
« Reply #348 on: April 14, 2008, 02:59:07 PM »
Correct.


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« Reply #349 on: April 15, 2008, 03:22:46 AM »
Annnnnnnnd now, let's go back to the airships.... http://www.aerosml.com/ML866%20TC%20application%20accepted%20by%20FAA.asp

Weasel is happy!!!!

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« Reply #350 on: April 15, 2008, 06:44:41 AM »
You could always get one of these you know: :D


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« Reply #351 on: April 16, 2008, 12:44:03 PM »
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« Reply #352 on: April 17, 2008, 07:22:49 PM »
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/04/15/ancient-cellulose-02.html

Who know Cellulose from over 200 million years ago was so important. I guess some good can come from nuclear waste.
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RE: Somewhat Useful Facts Thread
« Reply #353 on: April 17, 2008, 08:06:46 PM »
LOL Detroit is important again
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« Reply #355 on: April 19, 2008, 07:07:21 AM »
You ought to wait a little bit longer. :P

Now that's one hell of an organ!
Must have been a good artist to come up with that.



So the speech is basicly about not seeing the world as the evil, rotten place it is with a big parasite called Humans, but to live without that, and see the good and live for yourself so that you can make the world a better place instead of letting it rot.

How far am I from the authors intentions? Please use nautical miles so that it may seem less far away. :P
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RE: Somewhat Useful Facts Thread
« Reply #356 on: April 21, 2008, 10:59:55 PM »
@ Mleo. It's a graffiti. The pipes were pre-existing which is the fun bit.
And I think that you are smart enough to figure out the author's message. :twisted:

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EDIT: Ok, because the image is slightly oversized, I think you probably have to save it and then open it.

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RE: Somewhat Useful Facts Thread
« Reply #358 on: April 22, 2008, 01:14:31 PM »
That SO looks photoshopped!
MUSE!!!


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« Reply #359 on: April 22, 2008, 01:39:11 PM »
Quite an interresting map, sort of a circular layout of the sky based on the position and height, where height is in a logarithmic scale.
I do wonder what those "satilites" are in the inner Van Allen belt, it seems a bit counter intuitive that something, let alone a great many of them, could remain in our atmosphere.
It's funny to see the apparent line of GS orbitting moons.



The second picture is of, mostlikely, the biggest digger (or similar) "vehicle". With its brain fathers?
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