KHAN could return in JJ films..

[Bones]

no because no one can pull off a montiblan except him thats why and its impossible to be a better villian them him. Then again what do i care i wont see this movie anyway

Yeah but they said also Nero would be a crappy copy of nemezified Picard - shinzon while he was a formidable villain as well as a really good ST character [at least far better tthan shinzon (not comparing to TOS characters)]
I personally feel Pine, Quinto, Urban and any other new crew DID justice to originals... we can't blame Quinto for not volcan behavior as his mother was murdered and his hommeworld wiped out... I bet even you woul shed a tear when such a tragedy would occur ;)
I think JJ will find new Khan easly ;)
btw. please don't call me heretic or TOS doomsday/ TOS killer I'm just TREK FAN (no matter what it's like... I simply like it)

[Daystar70]

Pine's swagger at the very end as he walked the briudge and said "Bones" was DEAD ON james t kirk. but u had to be like..paying attention i guess. BLinders wont help yoiu see that.

and gee, funny how karl urban did so good as mcccoy he made leonard nimoy CRY! yeah, whatever candle. Characters and actors are not one and the same. If i could only acccept Linda carter as wonder woman, then any new film would suck. and then gee..10 ssuccesful actors played dr who...going on 11..and BONd? they never explain whyb HIS frikkin face changes now do they?

[candle_86]

actully i felt shinzon was better personally. Also a Vulcan should restrian himself no matter what, Quinto acted very unvulcan like even at the trial with kirk appearing angry. Also pine spoke to fast, kirk doesnt talk that fast, McCoy sounded from Texas not Georgia, Im southern and there is a diffrence i promise. And kirk sounded more east coast than mid west

[Daystar70]

That last statement was idiotic. He lost his MOM and PLANET. Vulcans Have emotions-they simply learned to control them..but they are not perfect. T'pol slept with trip because she FELT like it! what about when soval, in "in a mirror darkly" screamed out of panic as the ISS Avenger was about to explode? Or hm...seems to me Spock also in the JJ version was no 1) dating Uhura-why? because as the producers said- why NOT? The vulcan female maaquis Aarmas dealer was actually Falling for quarks seduction in "the maquis"(i doint buy it was an act to get the goods she had the deal already, she legitimitley was finding herself curious and attracted)

Valeria-she was part of the conspiracy to kill the chancellor--that vulcan in that ds9 episode who suffeed what gee, spock did-post traumatic stress disorder,and went on a murder spreee-- need i go on mr vulcan expert? and btw these were not "abnkormal cases" they were NORMAL vulcans who--snapped--so your understanding of vulcans is limited to amok time at best and gee-Stonn wasnt under pon farr yet he went along  being theres Pus** whipped by T pring. then theres Tuvok..how many gtimes...never mind itll go in one ear out the other.

[Darkthunder]

I think Candle is forgetting, that Spock is only half-Vulcan (as it was clearly indicated in the latest movie, and in movies/series before that).

This statement "a Vulcan should restrian himself no matter what", i'd really like to know what you base this on. Are you saying no Vulcan, in the history of Star Trek has EVER gotten emotional about something? If your answer is YES, then you are bold face liar, if I ever seen one.

[Daystar70]

I hate that these threads turn to candle bash but geez...i'm going to take a step back, breath and remember everyone has opinions and varying views. and probably try not to keep reading this thread LOL only if to preserve the Flaming from growing. Candle i'd use that old cliche "lets agree to disagree" but i dunno if that even can apply ..the difference here is not "opinion" because your statements are the opposite of what has been overtly determined in TREK lore as "fact" (fictional fact or not) example- if i said jedi hate lightsabers- ALL jedi hate lightsabers- is that an opinion? No. because an opinion is a "strong belief not substantiated by any facts to back them up". But see, there are facts in said example- a lot of film and written historical data to back up the fact Jedi DO like lightsabers (or maybe not "like"but accept them as their tools) so the "opinion" would be a case of Lying-thats one word-or Mis-information-based statements of Gooberism.

Since there are numerous examples i can pull from my ASS on vulcans breaking down from Canon tv and film, let alone books- it trumps the opinion on "proper vulcans" half or fulll. so your statement by logic MUST fall under "ILL informed" either that or a case of serious reluctance or unwillingness to even acknowledge facts "you dont agree with". newsflash-

Your not entitled to a fact. your entitled to an opinion. But the evidence in vulcan breakdowns is enough to substantiate it as "factual" that it happens.

case closed. and thats not me being stubborn, thats me using definitions and common sense-if u choose to usurp that and say "your" right and the "facts" are wrong, well, that would discredit a lot of future arguments i really hope your above this dude

[Darkthunder]

QFT, and that's the last you'll hear from me in this thread.

[candle_86]

you know what yall are right, let me be honest it was a good movie, it enjoyed it i just didnt think it was star trek to me. Also please forgive any errors or misktaes i make as i just got back from a party but ill admint it was goo.

[Daystar70]

It's ok man, if u had some boze, i can totally understand your being that way, i did not want to make you look stupid, i did not want to be "right", i just wanted to challenge you to think outside the box...kate mulgrew has been playing katheryn hepburn on stage and everyone thinks the resemblence to the classic actress is UNCANNY. If JJ pulls Khan out in no 2, who's to say a breakout star will Nail the part? Batman after batman and robin looked like it was toast as a franchise. James Bond was looking like it was time to rest in peace to.

But daniel craigg and christian bale saved both franchises. why? Good actors, discovered. good actors, with a good script. star trek the motion picture was boring boring sucky boring ILIA and her legs were the only cool part for me, and the brief fx of stuff like warping enterprise. But they spent like what seemed like 45 minutes of kirk in a worker bee looking at the enterprise.  WOK BAM! consider a lot of reboots or resets as setup films, and your odds will be a memorable second. discard the trek odd even number crap, this is a clean slate. LOVE your classic star trek, JJ did nothing to kill it. he went out of his way to clarify this is an ALTERNATE timeline=--how the F*** can you mess up an ALTERNATE timeline? it was 'correct" in its own continuality. i can even explain a few minor quibbles-

1.) how did the feds know what romulans looked like prior to balance of terror? Answer- nero. simple. we dont know what havok he caused between kelvin and destroying vulcan, but everyone seeemed to know a massive romulan ship is out there.

2.) enterprise built on earth.- william shatner (who may btw be in cameo in next jj film), said himself it makes MORE sense it was made on earth, back when the stuff written in the y60's we didnt take into consideration what we kow science wise now-- an artififical gravity on a ship means building on earth is LOGISTICALLY smarter!! no slow shuttlepods and vac suit workers..u can do it in an atmosphere with better tools. THIS IS REALISTIC-its as sensible a liberty as the NINJA part of batman begins-that made more sense than the 40+ years of established batman origin if u ask me, he always displayed Ninja like skills.

The desighn of ENterprise- Nero destroyed armadas, and caused havok. starrfleet had new priorities-they likely assumed romulans had this super tech and beefed up their ships for that.

KIRK being promoted to captain at end not realistic? Bullshit. You forget--old spock is around. seeing as how the temporal prime directive is useless in this unfixable time, he may have told starfleet Who he is,and the fate of james t kirk and said "get his ass in that chair."-sound logical? does to me.

[JimmyB76]

it almost seems to me this thread has lost its original point...

[Daystar70]

yeah should we lock it down?

[Shadowknight1]

Before doing so, I actually must agree with Candle on something.  As much as I loved the new movie, Khan is one thing they don't need to do.  It's one of those things that shouldn't be messed with.  The Planet Killer, sure.  The creepy little critters that attacked Deneva and killed Kirk's brother and sister-in-law, sure.  Khan, no way.

[Daystar70]

His point wasnt that it "shouldnt"be done (well he thought that to) the debate heated up over his comment that how can u explain the appearence difference? and like how there was 2 saavik actresses, it was a strange comment.

[JimmyB76]

i agree it should not be done...

[F3N1X]

I think the next film's villain should be Kor. The Klingons need to be shown in the reboot in my opinion. With Kor, Kirk actually has a reemerging nemesis similar to Batman and the Joker.

[Villain]

Klingons as a main villain lets them start on the recurring villain stereotype. Abrams is like a child with ADD (Which is why he's interesting, its always different, granted, but save them to knock out the Ent-A), He should do Khan, why? Because it's a rewrite of TOS, and Khan was a significant villain (to the point of having his own movie with the most memorable Trek line ever).

I agree that the Klingons need a proper introduction, but I don't think the whole movie should be about them. It's a new universe, let it keep going with the massive force it has. If the second is better than the first (which will be a hard feat, I loved it for a movie that had to set the foundation of TOS for new fans and still belt out a villain and bring action to Trek, neverless I don't doubt it will be better), it has to be Khan, it means we'll get a new Big E for the third movie.

[sovereign001]

Wow, i've read everything and i agree that the cast did a superb job in the new movie. Especially the james t kirk swung at the end movie that pine did. That was superb. I loved eric bana too.

Khan as a a villain, sounds great but i agree somewhere old khan must be left alone, but hey, they said that about the joker too and about batman and of kirk. And it's even better now!

Which actor they should chose, i dunno.. heath ledger would be fine but unfortunately he passed away..

[King Class Scout]

mabey we could get the guy that played Robeau to return as Khan
some other suggestions
1. stick with the Latinos, and get a sexy Mexican/Mexican-American/anybody else from south of the border (carribean included) for him
2. wanna find out if The Rock is a trekkie?
3. Talk to Bollywood for an actor (IE find out if the new tech nerds are also TREK nerds)

[086gf]

Which actor they should chose, i dunno.. heath ledger would be fine but unfortunately he passed away..

Well, the ONLY name that i've seen thrown around in the past 9 months has been Javier Bardem(No Country for Old Men).

mabey we could get the guy that played Robeau to return as Khan
some other suggestions
1. stick with the Latinos, and get a sexy Mexican/Mexican-American/anybody else from south of the border (carribean included) for him
2. wanna find out if The Rock is a trekkie?
3. Talk to Bollywood for an actor (IE find out if the new tech nerds are also TREK nerds)

And to continue from above...I can see why everyone wants him to do it.

BUT

Over the last few months, talk of the Klingons has become more frequent from both cast and crew and as others have said above that is a good direction to go in.

[King Class Scout]

if they do, they should do a virtual makeup test, first, if they're gonna go with appliances.  since this is the equivelant of TOS, i hope they're smart enough to do up any klingon actors TOS style