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Recreational Forums => Trek Discussion => Ships & Tech Talk => Topic started by: Psyco Diver on August 19, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
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I was thinking after seeing how far I can push a Galaxy in battle, why don't we ever see a Galaxy with Quantam torpedos? I mean being a ship of the line I would imagine during and after the war they would get refitted with them? They refitted the Lakota with them so why not?
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I do believe the Venture and Challenger got quantums. But I'm only doing this based off DJ's Galaxu Pack. :P
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common sense ays that the Galaxy X's have them., that any galaxies in the dominion war had them, and probably every updated Galaxy download probably has them.
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There is no canon evidence to suggest that any Galaxy class received quantum torpedoes.
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Didn't the Excelsiors have them too? or, more like, any ship that had more than snowflakes chance in hell to survive against Dominion attack? Sadly, this excludes Mirandas, since they were usually the first ships to blow up. :P slightly OT.. was there any Constellation-class starships pulled out from the museums and turned into home front courier or transport ships?
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Only one Excelsior has been seen/heard equipped with quantums and thats the Lakota.
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Wasn't the Lakota commanded by an Admiral's favorite or some such? It might explain it.
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Yeah. Erika Benteen. He even promoted her to Captain and told her to intercept the Defiant.
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Yeah. Erika Benteen. He even promoted her to Captain and told her to intercept the Defiant.
Which was a bad idea from the moment the admiral started moving his lips.. :lol:
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Quantum torps were a brand new weapons in the early 2370's so I doubt that they were very widespread, even by the beginning of the war. Given that a Galaxy Class starship is good for a hundred years, I'd say its pretty likely they'd get them eventually, unless something better came along prior to quantums becoming widely available.
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And the Sov only had one Quantum Launcher.
Could be that the tubes are a different shape, like in ENT when they installed photons, the torp tubes had to be rebuild. Not the best time to do that, in the middle of a huge war where you need every ship you have out there.
Except, apparently, for the Enterprise. :?
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Well the Enterprise E was built before the Dominion war I think. Even then, extending the build schedule by a week (if that) to install one torpedo tube wouldn't add a noticable amount of time onto the construction of a whole starship.
I'd say that quantum torpedos need a different launching system to torpedos and probes. (Probably due to the payload of the torpedo) And, with the exception of the USS Lakota are exclusively used on Sovereign and Defiant class vessels (Also supposedly used on Federation Fighters, most likely a 'micro-quantum' torpedo).
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The Enterprise was finished being built in 2372. FC occured in 2373, just when things were heating up between the Federation and the Dominion.
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The only ship classes we know of that have both quantum and photon torpedos are the Defiant and Sovereign classes. So the quantum torpedo has been in service since early 2371 with the Defiant being taken out of mothballs.
The Defiant class doesn't seem to have a seperate set of launchers for each torpedo type probably owing to its size so it's not beyond the releams of reason that other torpedo launcher types could be retro-fitted to handle both photons and quantums. An example being the Lakota being equipped with quantums.
Starfleet will probably upgrade each Galaxy class starship as and when they go into a yard for a major overhaul. Now the class being one of the most powerful it's doubtful this would happen in the build up or during the war as they're needed on the front line.
Any hulls brought online during the war would most likely be rushed into service and would no doubt just get the standard class launcher and the extremely common place photon torpedo to ensure quick entry into the fleet.
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Hm, I forgot the Defiant had photons too...
Perhaps quantum torpedos need additional safety protocols, or the Defiant had a different type of quantum torpedo to the Sovereign class (Would explain why they look different and are smaller than the stock on the Sovereigns, and seem to be less powerful) Or both!
[theory] Defiant class ships have less powerful quantum torpedos as the higher yield warheads are found to be unstable when launched from standard torpedo lauchers. When the Sovereign class was in development, the engineering team worked on a safer way of launching the more powerful torpedos; which implements a number of safety protocols to keep the higher yield, and more unstable, warheads in check.
The reason these launchers were not installed on later Defiant class vessels is due to their size, which is a main concern to these small vessels. Second to this is the inability to launch the less advaned photon torpedos, which have a different propulsion system and a strong magnetic field, which can interrupt and destabilise the intricate workings of the stability enhancers. [/theory]
This theory is brought on by multiple observations, Defiants have a different design of quantum torpedo, which appears to be smaller. And the Enterprise E has seperate launchers for photon and quantum torpedos. If I recall warhead weapons are notorious for instability in certain launchng systems.
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The Sabre got quantums but it required a new turret to be made to launch them.
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uh where was that said/seen??
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Oops, my mistake. So where did I read it...
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ACTD makes for an interesting read on the subject of starfleet Torpeodes
http://techspecs.startrek.acalltoduty.com/articles/torpedoes.html (http://techspecs.startrek.acalltoduty.com/articles/torpedoes.html)
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Hm, I forgot the Defiant had photons too...
Perhaps quantum torpedos need additional safety protocols, or the Defiant had a different type of quantum torpedo to the Sovereign class (Would explain why they look different and are smaller than the stock on the Sovereigns, and seem to be less powerful) Or both!
[theory] Defiant class ships have less powerful quantum torpedos as the higher yield warheads are found to be unstable when launched from standard torpedo lauchers. When the Sovereign class was in development, the engineering team worked on a safer way of launching the more powerful torpedos; which implements a number of safety protocols to keep the higher yield, and more unstable, warheads in check.
The reason these launchers were not installed on later Defiant class vessels is due to their size, which is a main concern to these small vessels. Second to this is the inability to launch the less advaned photon torpedos, which have a different propulsion system and a strong magnetic field, which can interrupt and destabilise the intricate workings of the stability enhancers. [/theory]
This theory is brought on by multiple observations, Defiants have a different design of quantum torpedo, which appears to be smaller. And the Enterprise E has seperate launchers for photon and quantum torpedos. If I recall warhead weapons are notorious for instability in certain launchng systems.
Well, that theory does rather joss the DS9 Technical Manual, where the implication is that it's the same model for both Defiant and Sovereign classes. Personally, I don't think Starfleet had time to make different models before the war broke, and even then that kind of thing was put on the back burner.
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Only Sovereign and Defiant have them according to canon. There was one Excelsior, but it was a special refitted ship so we can ignore it. The reason why we don't see other quantum's is, according to me, because quantum torpedo's are still a novelty. It takes time to build factory's to produce them and Starfleet simply didn't have the time. So only a hew ships could be equipped. After the war I'm certain all of Starfleet's capital ships will be equipped with quantums and the Galaxy's will be no exception.
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Quantum Torpedoes use a MK5 Photon casing, also the nature of the torpedo made it lighter than a photon, and could be launched at greater speeds and from the SAME tube. They used an artificial QUANTUM singularity, found on a captured romulan ship.
found this on memory alpha
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Quantum Torpedoes use a MK5 Photon casing, also the nature of the torpedo made it lighter than a photon, and could be launched at greater speeds and from the SAME tube. They used an artificial QUANTUM singularity, found on a captured romulan ship.
found this on memory alpha
I would like to have a link to the source, as I cannot find it on the 'Quantum Torpedo' page. Also Mk V photon torpedoes were used at least before TMP era, so it's highly unlikely those will be used.
According to the tech manuals (I know, often wrong and unreliable) Quantums have their own specialised casing.
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ok i was wrong on the warhead, but http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Quantum_torpedo (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Quantum_torpedo) says
The Federation quantum torpedoes apparently use the standard photon torpedo casing. (DS9: "Valiant")
also on the defiant page
Armament: 4 phaser cannons, 3 phaser emitters, 4 forward torpedo (photon and quantum torpedo) launchers, 2 aft torpedo launchers
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Defiant_class (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Defiant_class)
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Hm, I was always under the impression the Defiant only had 2 forward launchers... Maybe it means 2 Photon and 2 Quantum?
Anyway, it also states (describing what you just said):
"Nog modifies unspecified torpedoes with photon torpedo casings in this episode. When they are fired the effect is identical to the quantum torpedo."
I've underlined those two words, who says they're not Photon torpedos and the mods Nog makes merely gives them the appearance of Quantums? Or that the FX or props guys got confused or lazy?
If you take everything you see on screen as canon you'll be stuck in paradoxes, conundrums and hypocrisy. :P
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Plasma warheads were very unstable. But desperate times call for desperate measures, a quantum torpedo uses a 0 point vibration plasma warhead, so it is very stable
http://lcars24.com/schem30.html (http://lcars24.com/schem30.html)