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Recreational Forums => Trek Discussion => Ships & Tech Talk => Topic started by: majormagna on August 27, 2010, 08:01:43 PM
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Okay, this is basically just a Copy & Paste from a post debating the topc on the Excalibur forums; I just had inspiration...
Using the information on Memory Alpha, this is pretty much as I expected and found the TNG and TOS warp scales to look like.
(Note this is a cheap graph I made online.)
My theory on Warp Factors and Transwarp (Excelsior style) is that a Warp Value is equal to a certain amount of energy exerted on the dilithium crystals (Or mass of matter + Antimatter being used) And this corrolation does not change between TOS and TNG, it is how the result energy is handled that accounts for the speed change. The USS Excelsior was an experiment into more efficient usage of the post-warpcore energy; it obviously yielded positive results, but may have been too complex to mass produce in the era, as well at refit all the ships in service.
By the year of 2293 (The Undiscovered Country), when a large number of Starfleet vessels were retired/mothballed due to a cease of hostilities with the Klingon Empire, it was more viable to refit the remaining number of ships (Which would be quite few) with the new drive systems, due to less resources being used in defense and a re-focus towards exploration; as well as a possible advancement in engineering/production technology.
*Takes a deep breath*
Thoughts?
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Beats the idea the Feds could've built 25th century tech in the 23rd.
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I just work on the assumption that the NX-2000's 'Transwarp' is simply a new way of utilising standard warp technology, which results in a faster speed, rather than infinite speed or "A series of tubes".
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that's pretty much the theory I've accepted for it. It's an early prototype of the kind of warp drives used in TNG
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Yep, thats what I go with too.
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In an early TOS showm they went warp Factor 13, witch would probly be warp 9 in TNG. Same as in All good things, they were going warp 13 everywhere. So by that time, a new warp system may have been installed to refine there speed, so there warp 13 may have been TNG's 9.95.
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S= W^(3)c according to old scale
S= W^(10/3)c according to new scale
S= speed in Miles per Second
W= Time Warp Factor
c= Speed of Light in mps (186,282.397)
I believe that was my calculations for warp... New Scale was TNG and Post TNG
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wow if we keep thinking like this we could actually achieve warp drive in the next 50 years or so......wonder how that woudl affect us*reference to first contact XD* so the only things we would have to find is dilithium crystals, suitable casing for the core and injectors, matter and antimatter....hmm....mining expedition much?
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well, like Kirk said... back in his day it was standard Lithium... and we got that... xD
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:D then what are you all waiting for LETS GET BUILDING lol
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Don't push me to it... I've gone to lengths to prove warp theory and work out the equations with an Astrophysicist at college... we've tried... the power needed is just phenomenal xD
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havent you tried using the kinetic energy from say the warp ships launch to turn som turbines in the ship to generate the power needed for warp? if that works then...well....the human race is space worthy...
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or just use 2000 uranium rods in a MASSIVE built in reactor to power the core.....
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Well, on the basis of E=mc^2, as velocity increases, the energy required for it k.e=1/2mv^2 increased fourfold. k.e(1) would therefore be only 1/4 of the energy required to propel the ship to FTL speeds. Its the cochrane delta all over again...
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Yeah... black holes are a bit of a problem...
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i did a little research and we need to be able to generate a counter gravitational feild to equalise the power distribution, that way there is more power available to create a low warp field to take us to a max of warp 2.5764423. :hurr:
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you know that Cochranes warp ship used 1 nuclear reacter
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hmmmm... Shopping List:
1x Nuclear Reactor
6x Lithium Crystals
1x Ship capable of withstanding the stress
1x Simon Pegg
1x Black Hole
and to counter it
1x White Hole (If you don't get it, look it up)
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I can't tell if this thread is being serious anymore... :idk:
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(http://images.memegenerator.net/Advice-Dog/ImageMacro/2482155/PROVE-WARP-THEORY-POST-ON-BCC.jpg)
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I can't tell if this thread is being serious anymore... :idk:
yeah, its pretty serious, but Warp is quite a hard piece of tech to master. Lots of unknowns, lots of calculations... I can actually post them here if you want...
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Just been reading this :)
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0807/0807.1957v2.pdf :readme:
have a read
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hmmm okay. Not much explaination of the physics, but I see the links there. I still think bending space is rather difficult... I mean, while in warp the ship is actually stationary but space is warping around them
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i would sudgest going less for warp cores and warp speeds etc and how about looking into "mass reduction" which is similar to what a warp field does.
then with mass reduction we could achieve faster speeds though not faster than light speed.
Majormagna: nice theory check out mine here
http://bc-central.net/forums/index.php/topic,6218.msg122057.html#msg122057
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To make an object less massive is harder than FTL travel...
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Just thought I'd throw a bone in here: I thought it was impossible to achieve light speed because light has no mass, thus any object with mass would only be able to reach speeds close to the speed of light but not the actual speed of light?
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Although light has no mass itself, speed is relative to light. Tachyons for example, have mass but travel faster than light, not able to slow down. Therefore 3x10^8 m/s is actually a barrier of some sort. Its the power that is required that stumps most people.
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How about that plasma reactor that they build in France , we should use it
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I wouldn't trust anything what the French have built.. mark my wordes, world war III will start from France.
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I wouldn't trust anything what the French have built.. mark my wordes, world war III will start from France.
... *smacks Lionus*
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what? No other modern European country suffer from riots and have burning cars in the streets as much as France.. Then again, French cars have gone downhill since 80's so I can understand torching them.. Ah, Peugeot 205 T16, how I lust after thee.. :bow:
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build in France with US an European money just search for ITER on wikipedia , it's supposed to be the most powerful generator
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if anyone can get the power output stats from that generator and IF its what we need, then well be able to do this for real...
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No you wont be able to, govenment wont let you!
anyways, FTL travel is a simple concept, it is just the moving space that kills everyone, it would require a huge reaction, that is why Star Trek uses a antimatter/matter core
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thats just one part, they also need a plasma reactor like that to power the containment field and the injection systems, or one use of the core and the ship would instantaniously explode.
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or you could have a magnetic containment field, it would be vary inexpensive, but would be a lil harded
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or you could have a magnetic containment field, it would be vary inexpensive, but would be a lil harded
the plasma generator would power the magnetice constrictors and containment field, watch more voyager and listen VERY carefully to it..... :facepalm:
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Magnetic Containment Field = Piece of cake
Plasma Generator = >.<