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Recreational Forums => Trek Discussion => Films & Shows => Topic started by: Morgan on May 13, 2011, 02:26:09 PM
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http://trekweb.com/articles/2011/05/10/Rumor-Mill-Next-Generation-Coming-to-HD-with-DigitallyUpgraded-Special-Effects-.shtml
So it's looking more likely that TNG will get the remastered treatment that TOS got. I personally would like to see it, TNG could use an HD upgrade and some better effects. It doesn't look like DS9 or Voyager will be getting the treatment anytime soon though, besides they don't need it as bad as TNG does anyways...
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Would definitely be very cool... I just hate to think of how friggin' much the powers that be will charge for the DVD's.
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well, about bleeping time. TNG has been looking dated and worn out for the past 10 years. and I don't mean the effects.
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Cool we might something that look a lot like the last ep of ST:ENT you know with the fancy Ent-D and all.
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I'd say it's about time. TNG is/was my favorite of the Trek tv-series, until I became acquainted with the crew of DS9. Still, as TNG was the first show I ever watched, i'd love to see it remastered into the 21st century. Things i'd like to see remastered, are everything involving the Borg (adaptive shielding effects for ex, especially during Best of Both Worlds). Riker's reference in First Contact to being able to see several cities on the moon, with the naked eye. Would be nice if that were applied to any episode of TNG where the Enterprise is orbiting/visiting Earth.
Neither DS9, VOY or ENT needs remastering, but I could definitely see some remastering done to some of the effects-heavy episodes of DS9. Most notably, during the latter half of the Dominion War arc, in which (due to budget), the powers that be decided to reuse alot of the old battle scenes.
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I could definitely see some remastering done to some of the effects-heavy episodes of DS9. Most notably, during the latter half of the Dominion War arc, in which (due to budget), the powers that be decided to reuse alot of the old battle scenes.
I'd say DS9's special effects from the 1st-3rd seasons are in more need of a re-do than the later seasons. Granted you have a point about the stock footage, but those scenes were still (mostly) digital and look good.
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Perhaps we could see some shielding in ds9 battles :D
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Perhaps we could see some shielding in ds9 battles :D
unless you want friendly ships hitting their own sides shields... I say DS9 Ships are all skin shielded.
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unless you want friendly ships hitting their own sides shields... I say DS9 Ships are all skin shielded.
One thing that occurs to me, regarding "Bubble shields" vs "Skin shields" (not to derail the topic, just an idea):
I don't think it's necessarily two different shield technologies, but rather that Starfleet decided it's more efficient in wartime, to "collapse" the bubble around the ships in order to decrease shield power consumption, thereby increasing available power to among other things damage control, and weapons. The collapsed shield (i.e skin shield), might not be as effective for protecting the ship while at warp, since it doesn't cover the whole "warp field", whereas the bubble configuration does.
Just a thought :P
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Awsome! A big issue I had with TNG was often the scaling. In BoBW the Ent-D and the Borg cube often looked the same size. Now with remastered shots of the ship, now we can see the Enterprise take damage, or fire more than 1 phaser in a battle (Yesterday's Enterprise) and more. Ever since Star Trek XI, when the Enterprise drops out of warp in the debris field and is maneuvering around it, I thought it would be awesome if that was in Best of Both Worlds when the Enterprise reaches Wolf 359. I know that actually won't happen, but you could only imagine what they will do with that scene.
What I love the most about the TOS remastered is that the Enterprise now does/moves as the crew describes. It's really nice to see the old girl move through space, and now I'm excited to see the Ent-D do the same.
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Looking more and more likely that we will get a TNG-R sometime in the near future. I'm excited!
http://trekweb.com/articles/2011/07/27/The-Next-Generation-Remastered-Coming-in-BluRay-in-2012-.shtml
I hope both parts of "The Best of Both Worlds" are in those test episodes they talk about.
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I'm trying to think of E-D heavy or special effects heavy shows.
BOBW is certainly up there, perhaps Cause and Effect and Yesterday's Enterprise. Any other ideas?
If this is done and is done right it will breathe new life into TNG like they did with TOS. Unique planets and ships and maybe they will get rid of the awful stock footage from Star Trek 3 when featuring the E-D and starbases!
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I want to LOL at some of the picky people over on the trekweb site.
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BOBW is certainly up there, perhaps Cause and Effect and Yesterday's Enterprise. Any other ideas
Oh "Yesterday's Enterprise" definitely needs to be on that list for sure! My last one would probably be either "Q Who", "Parallels", or "Timescape", but it's so hard to choose...
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i would say go back and retouch ANY external shots, and remove the graininess of the old school filming.
i honestly cannot wait for this to come out.
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I'm trying to think of E-D heavy or special effects heavy shows.
BOBW is certainly up there, perhaps Cause and Effect and Yesterday's Enterprise. Any other ideas?
If this is done and is done right it will breathe new life into TNG like they did with TOS. Unique planets and ships and maybe they will get rid of the awful stock footage from Star Trek 3 when featuring the E-D and starbases!
Perhaps Redemption? That was a good episode, and fairly effects heavy.
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Gambit pt1&pt2, Descent, Encounter at Farpoint they were also special FX heavy
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BOBW is not on the list for the remake for me because it would be bad marketing as it is the best TNG episode rating wise and opinion wise for many fans.
There will most likely be a Season 2 classic so "Q Who" is my guess.
"The Neutral Zone" Because it is the first time we see the Romulan Warbird so it makes sense to give a peek at that.
"Farpoint" is a consideration but unlikely...
They will probably do "Where No One Has Gone Before" To show off some heavy Nebula/Galaxy effects
"The Battle" would be another good pick, but not as probable as-
"Peak Performance" because it has another Federation ship, and it is a teaser for other, larger battles.
My List-
"Q Who"
"The Neutral Zone"
"Where No One Has Gone Before"
"Peak Performance"
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BOBW is not on the list for the remake for me because it would be bad marketing as it is the best TNG episode rating wise and opinion wise for many fans.
There will most likely be a Season 2 classic so "Q Who" is my guess.
"The Neutral Zone" Because it is the first time we see the Romulan Warbird so it makes sense to give a peek at that.
"Farpoint" is a consideration but unlikely...
They will probably do "Where No One Has Gone Before" To show off some heavy Nebula/Galaxy effects
"The Battle" would be another good pick, but not as probable as-
"Peak Performance" because it has another Federation ship, and it is a teaser for other, larger battles.
My List-
"Q Who"
"The Neutral Zone"
"Where No One Has Gone Before"
"Peak Performance"
I see where your coming from but CBS would do the most famous eps for marketing and to generate the most revenue. They did the same with TOS by doing the doomsdy machine and that one with the m5 unit.
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unless you want friendly ships hitting their own sides shields... I say DS9 Ships are all skin shielded.
Yeah, but the thing is, if you look at way of the warrior, we saw the defiant getting hit by the vor'cha attack cruiser and we saw the bubble shields!
Some say the budget was too short and they dropped it, other say that it was because of the polaron weaponry.
I have my doubts, i think they did this for more coolness. What's cool if we see blue bubbles everywhere.
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the only fleet there was of Klingons...
I'm talking about during fleet actions (with multiple fed ships) not one alone.
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BOBW is not on the list for the remake for me because it would be bad marketing as it is the best TNG episode rating wise and opinion wise for many fans.
Dude are you kidding? BOBW is the episode that pretty much made TNG a hit. Of course throughout season three there were marked improvements from the last two seasons but BOBW is where people really started clinging to TNG en mass. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I personally thing CBS would be foolish to not release it on that sampler they're talking about.
I strongly doubt that any first or second season episodes will be out on that sampler ("Q Who" would probably have the best chance). The general consensus I hear is that the first two seasons of TNG weren't all that great and people only watched them because they were better than the re-runs of TOS that they had been stuck with for nearly 20 years (along with the occasional movie)...
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The debris field of Wolf 359 comes to mind when remastering BOBW
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The debris field of Wolf 359 comes to mind when remastering BOBW
I'm telling ya, it would be cool if it was similar to Star Trek XI's debris field! Pieces of ship debris bouncing off the Enterprise. I'm getting a bit carried away with the idea lol
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they could add some of the DS9 ships (from the first ep) XD
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they could add some of the DS9 ships (from the first ep) XD
Except the Saratoga...there wasn't much left of that poor ship.
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I would love to finally get close ups of those Wolf 359 classes, like the Freedom etc.
I wonder if it happens will they replace the guest ships like the Exclesior, Miranda and Oberth class ships with other, more fitting desgins?
But only in shots where the ship isn't named at all. Would be great seeing a New Orleans or Springfield classes as replacements
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We have to remember that it is Season 1&2 first, that is why and plus BOBW is really 2 episodes, or one split into 2, and we are talking about a teaser with 4 60 min. episodes.
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We have to remember that it is Season 1&2 first
TOS wasn't remastered and re-released in order, why should TNG? Also, if they're going to do a teaser, they would probably want to do some popular & effects heavy episodes in order to jazz people up for the full release. The cold hard truth is that there are not a lot of episodes in the first two seasons that the casual buyer would really get excited about - hell there aren't even a lot of episodes in those first two seasons that the die-hard-trekkies will get excited about. I'm not saying the first two seasons are complete crap - I personally love "The Arsenal of Freedom" - it's just that TNG didn't get popular until its 3rd season, so for a teaser the most likely episode candidates will come from that and later seasons.
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The only epsiode I got fired up over in the first season was the Starbase 74/Bynars episode and only because of the docking sequence.
In the second season it would have to be Q Who.
While watching Voyager's Dark Frontier last night I was thinking about the Borg retcon that happened in Voyager and thought would CBS spend the time ans money altering the Borg skin colour in the TNG episodes to make them more First Contact/Voyager like? Probably not.
As for any future release they will do what they did with TOS. Update and air the most popular and FX heavy episodes first.
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While watching Voyager's Dark Frontier last night I was thinking about the Borg retcon that happened in Voyager and thought would CBS spend the time ans money altering the Borg skin colour in the TNG episodes to make them more First Contact/Voyager like? Probably not.
I would guess that they would likely just do the special effects (for example the shield effect when drones adapt to weapons) more like FC/Voyager, and of course re-do the Cube probably more in FC's image, but that's about it.
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yeah, remember, when they remastered TOS, they only changed the VFX, they didn't mess with the sets or the actors
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yeah, remember, when they remastered TOS, they only changed the VFX, they didn't mess with the sets or the actors
Lol wrong they either replaced parts of sets with cgi or they replaced the whole thing also all frames of the show were given a refresh notice you can see lot more detail than you used to on cloths and skin
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Lol wrong they either replaced parts of sets with cgi or they replaced the whole thing also all frames of the show were given a refresh notice you can see lot more detail than you used to on cloths and skin
They restored all old footage as best as possible and brought it up to HD standards. My blu-ray versions have a much nicer picture than the old dvds i have. Now I can really see the green make up on Spock's face.
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yeah, remember, when they remastered TOS, they only changed the VFX, they didn't mess with the sets or the actors
They also made new models for Ships that were reused models.
The automated cargo ship in "The Ultimate Computer" was given a CG model based off an Automated grain ship in The Animated Series, the Gorn ship was given its own Unique model.
There are other examples but I can't think of any.
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They also made new models for Ships that were reused models.
The automated cargo ship in "The Ultimate Computer" was given a CG model based off an Automated grain ship in The Animated Series, the Gorn ship was given its own Unique model.
There are other examples but I can't think of any.
The Station in "The Ultimate Computer" was replaced with a Watchtower Class Starbase
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The Station in "The Ultimate Computer" was replaced with a Watchtower Class Starbase
I remember that now, I recognized it from Vanguard novel cover.
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And they added a LOT of detail to the damaged USS Constellation.
Whenever they get to Wolf 359 in TNG, we might be able to see more identifiable ships.
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And they added a LOT of detail to the damaged USS Constellation.
Whenever they get to Wolf 359 in TNG, we might be able to see more identifiable ships.
Hopefully more Nebulas, Ambassadors, Excelsiors, Mirandas, and New Orleans instead of all those other ugly kit-bashes (I realize the New Orleans itself is a kit-bash, but it's not an ugly one and the design actually looks thought out instead of random parts just thrown together... :) ).
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I heard somewhere TNG was shot in widescreen because they were using cameras normally used for movies, then was transferred to Film for visual editing.
If they can get a hold of the original raw footage, we could possibly be getting it in widescreen. (didn't they used Raw footage in the TOS remastered?)
But we probably won't since they'll probably want to keep the original feel.
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And they added a LOT of detail to the damaged USS Constellation.
Whenever they get to Wolf 359 in TNG, we might be able to see more identifiable ships.
Maybe they'll add the Tolstoy. :)
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I want to see more of the New Orleans, it is what the Nebula should have been.
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I want to see more of the New Orleans, it is what the Nebula should have been.
*shakes fist* -.-
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I'm with Neb on this. :bitch:
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They also made new models for Ships that were reused models.
The automated cargo ship in "The Ultimate Computer" was given a CG model based off an Automated grain ship in The Animated Series, the Gorn ship was given its own Unique model.
There are other examples but I can't think of any.
what I meant was that while they redid all the VFX (including the space scenes) and cleaned the film, they didn't alter the appearance of any of the actors or sets to any significant amount. I can't see them retconning the appearance of the Borg, as mckinneyc suggested
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you mean you didn't notice all the circuit board and console changes they did?? LOL
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Yeah they turned a Dial Clock into a Digital one in an Episode.
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Well of all the ships missing from TNG I'd like to see a Connie or two just reassure they are still out there in the 24th Cent.
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Well of all the ships missing from TNG I'd like to see a Connie or two just reassure they are still out there in the 24th Cent.
Well they were retiring the Enterprise-A at the end of the 23rd, so I doubt there are any Constitution's in service by the time of TNG. If anything I think they'll edit the footage to remove that chunk of the Connie's hull in the Wolf 359 graveyard scene...
you mean you didn't notice all the circuit board and console changes they did?? LOL
Yeah they turned a Dial Clock into a Digital one in an Episode.
It's possible that for Borg edit's they'd probably make their control panels more in-line with what we saw on Voyager and First Contact.
Digitally retconning the entire Borg race though, I think that the cost of doing that is a bit higher than what CBS is willing to put down. I mean, in order to do that and make it look believable they'd probably have to re-shoot new scenes with the same technology that was used to make Avatar, and that'd be expensive...
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i wonder if the show would be aired on televeision as remastered TOS was?
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i wonder if the show would be aired on televeision as remastered TOS was?
They'd be stupid not to, but I don't think that would happen until this 4 episode sampler disk is out...
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Yeah they turned a Dial Clock into a Digital one in an Episode.
still not what I would call a significant change, they only did that in one close up shot anyway, you can still see the analogue display in other shots.
Nothing was on the scale retconning the Borg would be.
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Well they were retiring the Enterprise-A at the end of the 23rd, so I doubt there are any Constitution's in service by the time of TNG. If anything I think they'll edit the footage to
I would imagine like the Miranda and other movie ships classes the refit connie is of the same era. It can be assumed that some connies were constructed a new in the refit configuration. So we can assume that there are some still out there, after all there was at least one at wolf 359 and the Stargazer was going to be a connie. They even had to dub over the dialog recorded changing it from Constituion to Constellation. The powers that be got cold feet touching the Enterprise hero model as the TOS films were still in production and decided to take the kit bash from the ready room and flesh it out as a new model.
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Oh look!
https://twitter.com/#!/levarburton/status/109432086326284289
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sweet news from that.
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Another update. Apparently "Encounter at Farpoint" will be included on the blue-ray sampler along with three other episodes (I'm praying for "Yesterday's Enterprise" to be among them). Link to the news post:
http://trekweb.com/articles/2011/09/03/LeVar-Burton-Confirms-Next-Generation-on-BluRay-Rumors.shtml
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All I meant was with retconning the borg was to alter the actors skin tone to bring it more in line with later borg.
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Another update on the TNG blue-ray release. Looks like we're getting "Sins of the Father" and "The Inner Light".
http://trekweb.com/articles/2011/09/07/Update-on-Next-Generation-on-BluRay-and-Roddenberry-Con-DVD.shtml
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Hm, the Inner Light isn't an effects heavy episode, doesn't seem like a good choice for something intended to show what they'd do for Blu-ray.
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doesn't need to be effects heavy... just demonstrate the film updates (higher visible detail and such)
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Here's the thing though, I noticed that LeVar Burtons comment was "Stopped by to see how the TNG conversion to HD for Blue Ray was coming along..."
That doesn't exactly specify if the remastering of TNG is going to add any new special effects like was done on TOS. From what I've been reading TNG is definitely going to go to HD/Blu Ray and will be "remastered" for high res... but I haven't read anywhere that the show will specifically also have updated special effects.
I hope I'm wrong because it would be awesome if new effects were added.
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Good point moed. Though I agree, it would be nice, especially with the first couple of seasons.
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That doesn't exactly specify if the remastering of TNG is going to add any new special effects like was done on TOS. From what I've been reading TNG is definitely going to go to HD/Blu Ray and will be "remastered" for high res... but I haven't read anywhere that the show will specifically also have updated special effects.
Thing about that is they're going to have to redo the special effects anyways, since TNG was finished on video (that was the main reason why TNG took so long to get an HD upgrade, upgrading video is expensive to do). I doubt that they'd use the same dated effects when they have to redo them from scratch regardless.
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ya but to what scope? sure they could make things prettier and crisper, but how far they will go as far as really remastering things i am curious...
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I'd take a min and read this article it is quite interesting....
It is quite possible to remaster TNG in HD. As previously stated it was shot on 35mm film. Re-transferring and re-editing from film is not as difficult as it sounds. Even though the series was edited on video tape care was often taken at that time to reference KeyKode (the film equivalent of timecode) either by retaining this information in the extra timecode bits on the video tape or by transfer logs which match the videotape EDL to the film negatives' KeyKode. This makes finding the shots and re-cutting them quite easy. Even if this type of match-back is not possible there are many talented online editors who can eye-match the shots (although this does consume much more time than the match-back).
http://www.dvdtown.com/messageboard/topic/8274/3/0
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well that thread went offtopic really quickly - where are that forum's moderators?? lol :P
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What are you talking about??
This thread is all about the TNG remaster...
we know it's coming and what eps are going to be in the preview Blu-ray but we don't know how it's going to be done.... (that's the topic as of now concerning the Remaster) It will evolve as we get more info.
oh and my previous post was linking to an article on how and what the TNG remaster may be done/look like.
Personally I can't wait to see this preview.
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Uhhh, Neb, he was referring to the thread you just linked to.
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The thread I linked to is called "Star Trek: The Next Generation in HD" are you just reading the banner up top? (look further down)
It talks about How a TNG remaster could be done (regardless of the date it was posted)
If you still can't see it I might as well just post the whole thing here later.
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yes neb, i know what youre talking about... i was commenting on how quickly the thread went offtopic to suddenly have people arguing about the price of the Sopranos series on blu-ray (page 2) and Transformers and everything else not having to do with the topic of the thread, which is Star Trek TNG in HD lol
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eh? ok well then your post wasn't that clear cause I though you were referring to this thread :P XD
*kicks this thread back on topic before we also get two pages of nonsense*
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dont know if this had been mentioned yet...
Remastered HD Star Trek: The Next Generation Episodes Could Stream to Netflix This Fall (http://gizmodo.com/5839063/remastered-hd-star-trek-the-next-generation-episodes-could-stream-to-netflix-this-fall)
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dont know if this had been mentioned yet...
Remastered HD Star Trek: The Next Generation Episodes Could Stream to Netflix This Fall (http://gizmodo.com/5839063/remastered-hd-star-trek-the-next-generation-episodes-could-stream-to-netflix-this-fall)
Ahem....W00000T!!!!!
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heh I think I've already heard about that.
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I need to get Epix.
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Well it looks like we have some release date info coming in:
http://trekweb.com/articles/2011/09/13/More-on-TNG-Remastered-on-BluRay-Details-and-Release-Date.shtml
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Announced! (http://www.startrek.com/article/the-next-generation-blu-rays-launch-in-2012)
:yay:
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damn video doesnt seem to want to load for me lol i wonder if it has any sneak-peak teasers in it...
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I was just able to access the video, it has a 4:3 shot of Picard at the end of Encounter at Farpoint. "Let's see what's out there." Followed by a 16:9 shot of the D entering warp. The CGi was incredible.
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gets stuck at 10 seconds for me... I'll try later.
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ok just watched it and that last shot looks more like it was cg enhanced and not an actual cg replacement.
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ya took rediculously long for me to load also... the quick shots of picard and the enterprise do look pretty...
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Yeah, you kinda have to wait a good 20 - 30 minutes for it to load properly. Hopefully that's because lot's of traffic. I put together a web album for those who still can't see it.
Fixed link, HD pictures. (http://imageshack.us/g/148/tnghd1.jpg/)
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This is ground-breaking enough for even me to cough up a post. Found the video on Youtube.. :)
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ok just watched it and that last shot looks more like it was cg enhanced and not an actual cg replacement.
Now that you say that I definitely see it. The enhancements bring a lot more depth into the model.
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On one side I'm obviously very excited about this...
On the other, this is most likely going to be (when the entire series is complete) ridiculously expensive.
And that's shameful.
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lol it isn't any diff from how the older DVD releases were. They were and still are quite expensive.
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lol it isn't any diff from how the older DVD releases were. They were and still are quite expensive.
Ugh, the only reason I have TOS is I managed to get it cheap.
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lol it isn't any diff from how the older DVD releases were. They were and still are quite expensive.
Like I said... shameful.
I'm still after quite a few years building my collection of all the series' DVD's. Because they're so expensive it's taken me so long. I shop for the best deals and sometimes, there are pretty good ones but it saddens me that the makers/creators of the Star Trek (as a whole) DVD's decide to charge so much for them.
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It looks really cool, but I am bummed there not redoing the ship scenes. :)
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Most of them don't need to be remade....
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just updated to 19:9 :P
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The Enterprise looks freakin' gorgeous! Incredible!
I almost had the same reaction (stunned silence + Ceased facial bloodflow + dislocated jaw) to the Enterprise reveal as I had to the final scene of Sunday's Breaking Bad.
Remains to be seen if the 4-foot model fairs as well. I imagine the pronounced hull plating will be a little over-the-top in HD, and the differences between the models will be glaring.
Still... TNG in glorious, beautiful HD!
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The Enterprise looks freakin' gorgeous! Incredible!
I almost had the same reaction (stunned silence + Ceased facial bloodflow + dislocated jaw) to the Enterprise reveal as I had to the final scene of Sunday's Breaking Bad.
Remains to be seen if the 4-foot model fairs as well. I imagine the pronounced hull plating will be a little over-the-top in HD, and the differences between the models will be glaring.
Still... TNG in glorious, beautiful HD!
There is ofcourse another possibility...
They might revamp the entire series to use the "same model" in CGI, much like they did for TOS Remastered (after much tinkering). Still, the HD TNG Intro shown in the trailer looks bloody amazing compared to the original intro.
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Doubtful, or else they would just replace the Enterprise with the CGI for all scenes, and that's obviously not the case. Why? Simple. Every CGI Galaxy class that has been built for Star Trek, including the Enterprise-D shown in the Enterprise finale, have had all three impulse engines lit up.
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Doubtful, or else they would just replace the Enterprise with the CGI for all scenes, and that's obviously not the case. Why? Simple. Every CGI Galaxy class that has been built for Star Trek, including the Enterprise-D shown in the Enterprise finale, have had all three impulse engines lit up.
With the exception of the D in Generations....
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Um no... That was the 6 foot model just repainted for Gen.
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They made a CGI Enterprise D for a few shots
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It is possible that they just kept the 6-foot model for the title sequence but they may switch over to CGI for the actual episodes. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
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A CGI Galaxy was used at one point in Generations.
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Yeah, for a couple of the warp-out shots.
The thing is, no CG galaxy class ever built has been 100% accurate. Most have had pretty glaring innacuracies, especially the "These Are The Voyages" model.
When I saw that teaser, the electrons flew out of my atoms and I dematerialised with shear awe. It looks so gorgeous, I thought I was looking at a perfect CG model.
Unless they borrow the filming model from Paul Allen, 3D-scan it, remove those thingies from the backs of the nacelles, and somehow mock-up the original paintjob, they wouldn't be able to remain consistent with the model work. And, to be frank, I don't think CGI could EVER look as phenomenal as that model.
This teaser has single handedly made me mourn the death of the physical model in Sci-Fi.
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*looks up* hmm yeah for some shots... *hmm* that same model was used for all the DS9 Galaxies... hmm ok
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I already see everywhere here jumping in the air and saying wauw.. Just looked at the teaser and mmmmh. It's not bad but to say "ooh great".. I really want to see more, perhaps a small action scene. If it's going to be this, i'm not giving anything and just watch the old stuff.
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In HD it might be easier to read Jokes on the LCARS and other props.
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HOLY crap I just noticed just before the 2 second mark to just after 3 second mark you can see someone walk out of the conference room when the camera passes over it. O.o
(never noticed that before)
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Geez Neb, you never noticed that? EVERYONE knows about that!......Okay, so I'm lying. :P Seriously, I don't see how you could've noticed that before considering the quality of the original.
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Geez Neb, you never noticed that? EVERYONE knows about that!......Okay, so I'm lying. :P Seriously, I don't see how you could've noticed that before considering the quality of the original.
Actually....*raises hand* I knew about it before blu-ray even existed...
They made it look that way for realism :D
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I noticed that when I was 5. :dontcare:
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I noticed that when I was 5. :dontcare:
See Neb? We>you :P LOL
(Oy I jest with Neb too much...one of these days he's gonna knock down my door and shoot me!!!)
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(Oy I jest with Neb too much...one of these days he's gonna knock down my door and shoot me!!!)
nah, he's used to it by now... we've been busting his chops since 2002 :P
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nah, he's used to it by now... we've been busting his chops since 2002 :P
Do you know that he's used to it for sure??? :P I sure hope Sam is a protective attack cat!
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I was in awe when I was 6 seeing a man in the back window, such great detail put into that show.
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Does anyone know how they did that?
I have this idea... which may be a very old memory... or I may be making it up...
That they filmed Patrick Stewart walking through the obs. lounge, set up a projector with that footage loaded, aimed it at the model of the Enterprise, and placed a mask between the ship and the projector, with holes cut such that the footage only appeared in the windows of the obs. lounge. It worked because due to the technique of motion control, it was the camera that flew past the Enterprise, and not vice versa, so the model stayed stationary, and the projector didn't have to be rigged for movement too.
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that's possible, they may have also matted it in.
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New trailer: http://trekmovie.com/2011/11/14/new-trailer-for-star-trek-tng-remastered/
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thanks for posting. The differences are huge, especially in that farpoint scene at the beginning.
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It's oke but not that big... I would never buy it but i borrowed my season 1 tng at a good gf of mine and she complained that the mid section (grip center of dvd player) was cracked.. I opened my season 2 box and everything was cracked. Did a quick search on the net and apparantly, these jewel cases of tng have a high pressure and they mess up the dvd's :(
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nah, he's used to it by now... we've been busting his chops since 2002 :P
Yah -.- :funny
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-.- way to bring back a dead topic in a topic LOL J/K
now to the TNG remaster.... the latest vid just makes me want it more :D
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-.- way to bring back a dead topic in a topic LOL J/K
now to the TNG remaster.... the latest vid just makes me want it more :D
At least it's not a dead Clone :P *runs*
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I wonder if we will be able to see how much health insurance remaining there is!
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From the look of it we won't need remastered effects as the detail was there all along, we just couldn't see it!
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I was doubtful, but the space jelly rising from Farpoint pretty much sold me.
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From the look of it we won't need remastered effects as the detail was there all along, we just couldn't see it!
I'm inclined to agree for the most part, although I don't think the original Borg cube studio model seen in "Q Who" and "Best of Both Worlds" can hold up to HD scrutiny. They'll need to go CGI with those episodes for sure.
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I'm inclined to agree for the most part, although I don't think the original Borg cube studio model seen in "Q Who" and "Best of Both Worlds" can hold up to HD scrutiny. They'll need to go CGI with those episodes for sure.
Remains to be seen ;)
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I'm inclined to agree for the most part, although I don't think the original Borg cube studio model seen in "Q Who" and "Best of Both Worlds" can hold up to HD scrutiny. They'll need to go CGI with those episodes for sure.
Hopefully if they do go CGI with those it will be true to the original, and not a First Contact/Voyager style Cube.
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Hopefully if they do go CGI with those it will be true to the original, and not a First Contact/Voyager style Cube.
I wouldn't mind something similar to the First Contact version, you know before Voyager got all liberal with the green...
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Yeah, the FC cube was imposing, a thing of stark beauty - it almost looked semi-translucent.
I have similar concerns about some of the alien-of-the-week ships, were they all built to the same standard? Or will some look visibly fake when the film is scanned?
On the plus side, there does seem to be some CGI here - the planet Qo'Nos looks new. So they may not be averse to a little CG trickery, but they might draw the line at ships. I hope some of the anomalies are usable - they did incredible things at image-G with cloud tanks.
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I don't think the Klingon homeworld was CG. If you look at the SD picture of it really hard you can make out the same seas.
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I don't think the Klingon homeworld was CG. If you look at the SD picture of it really hard you can make out the same seas.
That could just mean the CGI team has great attention to detail.
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or they just cged over the original matte painting
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TBH, I didn't examine it that hard, it just *looked* cgi to me. I could very well be wrong.
Weren't most planets in TNG done with early CGI anyway? I remember a story where one of the effects guys parked his car when he came into work one morning, stepped out, and stood in dog poo. He was understandably annoyed, but when he looked at the poo, the texture his shoe had created on it was interesting. He snapped a picture, scanned it, and used it as the surface texture for a planet.
I remember spotting pixelisation on the surface maps for planets in the first and second seasons. Really early CGI work, mapping low-res images to spheres.
I'd imagine all of those will have to be re-rendered, and probably re-textured. The hunt for dog poo is on!
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Weren't most planets in TNG done with early CGI anyway?
No, they were matte paintings like TOS...
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And according to Trekcore have been replaced.
If so testiment to the excellent work of the effects team
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mckinneyc is correct, in the shot of the Ent-D orbiting the planet, the planet's texture is brand new
they did clean up the shots very well.
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#analysis2
Compare the left side of this image
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/tng-comparison.jpg
To the left side of this
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/tnghd-ent4.jpg
This sucks :(
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#missingfootage
Oh well.
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This sucks :(
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#missingfootage
At least it's only 13 seconds of Crusher and Riker talking. I can live with it personally. I'm more concerned about the possibility of other missing shots - effects heavy shots, like from "Best of Both Worlds" or "Yesterday's Enterprise."
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OH MY GOD.
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It's the mustang? o.o did you just find out about this?
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http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/blog-day/
First a little bit of news. Tomorrow I start work with Dan Curry, David Takemura, and Mike and Denise Okuda on the Star Trek: The Next Generation Remastered.
You heard right, this time around Paramount is bringing in a team that lived TNG as it happened. Dan, as I?m sure you know, was the visual effects supervisor on Next Gen. Unlike the remastering of TOS, this job will be 100% true to the original.
Neeto!
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first preview shown here, side by side:
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/05/star-trek-tng-hd-exclusive-video/
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Pretty space jellies
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Looks amazing
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Wow... I want it the sample disc... but, I'd rather wait for the full season... ugh, stop tearing me apart TNG!
The Ent-D model holds up well in HD.
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Sampler Disc Bonus features
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#bonus
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Review + New Screens
http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/reviews/star-trek-the-next-generation-the-next-level-blu-ray-review.html
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Finally!!! :yay: :yay: :yay:
Looks like they got rid of the ugly 4 foot model created for season 4.
That shot from "The Inner Light" shows the Flyby which was filmed with the 4 footer... and now:
It is replaced with an accurate CGI mesh of the 6 foot Enterprise!!!
Looks like we will get a coherent ship throughout the whole show!
That really made my day! :bow:
I never could stand those jumps in continuity concerning the models. Yes, sure... the surface details of the 4 foot model were amazing, but the 6 foot model is what the Enterprise was supposed to look like... more gracile, more feminine.
Thanks to the remastering team for cleaning this issue!!!
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I must say, the quality is amazing of the characters. Worf looks good, the scenes, persons, they all look amazing! And if i'm gonna buy it, its purely for this.
But i must say that this:
(http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Star_Trek_TNG_Next_Level_09.jpg)
is a bit too game-like almost.. Also the rainbow streak stars :lostit:
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That's the shot I was talking about. :)
I always hated the 4 foot model. I am so glad they replaced it.
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That's the shot I was talking about. :)
I always hated the 4 foot model. I am so glad they replaced it.
To me, i didn't noticed the difference until some people in star trek outfits started complaining about it. Then i realised it.. But euh, the shot i posted, i hope they are gonna redo that.. This really looks like a re-render from the star trek the final unity game..
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Let's not forget that this is just a screenshot of an object in movement. The faster it moves the stronger the motion blur occures to the viewer.
Comparing it with the original footage, it looks almost like a perfect match in illumination... I will post some side to side comparisons later.
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That is not a CG model Captain_Storma. That is the physical model.
None of the ships are CG in the remastered version.
They redid all the special effects shots, but with the original model footage. There is probably digital enhancements done on it, but that is the 6 foot model.
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Actually there are CG Shots in the remastered version... Some pointed out it may be Tobias Richter's Galaxy model that was used for them.
but 90% of the time it is just remastered film footage.
At least that's what I heard.
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Ahhhh... Damn it...
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#review (http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#review)
They keep using that 4 footer... :(
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Good cause I actually Like the 4 foot model. XD
Now if only they merged the two like DJ did. XD
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Well according to Doug Drexlers blog all the shots are 1:1 of the original. Same with the FX shots
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Too bad... a lost opportunity.
That's an error I would really love to see fixed.
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Well according to Doug Drexlers blog all the shots are 1:1 of the original. Same with the FX shots
Actually take a look at the shot with the Galaxy and BOP in "Sins of the Father" You'll notice they are in different positions and details are also slightly different. (here is a prim example of some CG work)
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They'll use the original models where they can, but CGI will have to come into play for some episodes. ANY appearances of a Borg cube will definitely need to be CGI - the TNG studio model couldn't hold up to HD scrutiny to save its life. I wouldn't be surprised if the battle in "Yesterday's Enterprise" gets re-done in CGI too (I actually wouldn't mind that to be honest).
I'd prefer to see the 4ft model replaced with a CGI of the 6 footer, but I can live with it being there.
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Actually take a look at the shot with the Galaxy and BOP in "Sins of the Father" You'll notice they are in different positions and details are also slightly different. (here is a prim example of some CG work)
Yeah, I can Def tell with the BOP, the ENT-D model you really have to look closely.
The BOP's proportions feel way off.
HD version of that EW video from a couple weeks back
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Even more screen caps.
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#sfin_ex
HD gives us the opportunity to read screens we could never read before, or as well.
Except for the one screen on "Sins of the Father" there, because they used the SD shot close up, might have been another case of them not having original footage.
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Another thing that makes me think that BOP and Ent D are CGI...take a look at the RCS Thrusters in the pic...
It just screams out Generations Enterprise with TNG escape pods at me for some odd reason
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Apparently, some of the stock footage used for VFX in episodes was misplaced, which is why they use Tobias's galaxy model in some shots. If time and money wasn't an issue, it would have been excellent to see all enterprise appearances use the CGI model. Battles would have looked excellent had they redone them.
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Nah, I think the physical model holds up very well in HD. I prefer physical models over CG.
But if they did it like that BOP shot, then I wouldn't mind, because I didn't notice it was CG until it was pointed out.
You can really tell they tried to disguise the shot and blend it with the rest, it will probably look better in motion.
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CGI has come a long way since the days of DS9, Voyager, and even Enterprise. If done properly, a CGI model is indistinguishable from a physical.
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What nero's says...
In the beginning voyager pure physical too. Then they used a bit of cgi + physical, and you could clearly see the cgi (very cheesy). Until later in the seasons they mostly used cgi and combined with the traditional flyby physical. Season 7 voyager cgi was splendid imo.
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Look at B5 cgi.... :uberlol:
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b5 cgi was not really wauw XD But they had a limited budget.. But euh the latest movie (didn't liked it though) was top notch cgi ;)
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b5 cgi was not really wauw XD But they had a limited budget.. But euh the latest movie (didn't liked it though) was top notch cgi ;)
True though I reckon it was quite revolutionary for small TV budget and large space battles, though I have a natural dislike for it I don't know why. :/
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Perhaps you should check it out again ? The stories where actually good (of the serie, the movies after it, were crap imo)
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Perhaps you should check it out again ? The stories where actually good (of the serie, the movies after it, were crap imo)
Fair enough, I rather liked Star Wrecks mick take out of it though, for a Finnish film of a low budget it was well done.
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Perhaps you should check it out again ? The stories where actually good (of the serie, the movies after it, were crap imo)
You can't say the first 3 and the 5th were crap. Those were the best xD
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no no, not all the movies but the "latest".
B5: the beginning
B5: the one that tells everything of the human-minbari war
b5: a call to arms
b5: thirdspace
Those were perfect, very good!
But then you had a movie of the rangers. please, utter crap! And another one, that was divided into two episodes.. Something with religion and a boy of the centauri that is gonna be the son of sheridan. It was terrible...
Wasn't fond of crusade either..
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Crusade never had a chance. TNT screwed with its airing... non of the eps were released in proper order... then it got canned half way through its first season because TNT no longer wanted a scifi audience. (They even kept the rights to it so it could never be bought by another channel.)
As for B5 the lost tails (first was crap second was quite good imo)
Anyway back to TNG remastered. I preordered the sample disk. I can't wait to see it for myself.
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Seriously? Why not wait for the entire box or so? I even think bluray.com suggested it and they are extremely correct with their suggestions and reviews imo...
I knew i sold my star trek dvd's to a friend of mine and i read the bluray review of star trek generations/insurrection. I wasn't really impressed with trekcore hd screencaps and after reading the bluray review on the site, i bought it (but keeping the negative points in my head). And they were correct on every stuff they wrote (excellent image quality, so good, that in a few scenes you could see geordi's eyes through his visor) or the crap upscaling of insurrection dvd to bluray quality.
After reading this review, i'm gonna pass and wait like they are saying.
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Because I want to get it so I can see it with my own two eyes (they gave us this chance so why not?).... Waiting for a box set to buy that is undoubtedly going to be over $100 to see if I really like it is silly.
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I'm colorblind so i'm already fucked :funny
Yeah of course, but i'm not gonna buy it instantly, only after lets say 6 months or so.. Price will be cheaper (who knows i can buy it from some friends for a cheap price). Btw, i will need to buy it, because my dvd boxes (the old tng ones, the hard cases) are almost all destroyed. The dvd's got cracked in the casings (they are known for it :( )
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Odd cause all 7 of my TNG box sets are fine... are we even talking about the same DVD box set?
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I'll just get my best mate to buy the boxset when it comes out (which he will) and when he does I will do something slightly naughty with them.
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More HD screenshots over at Trekcore!
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A somewhat interesting interview with Mike and Denise Okuda talking about the remastering project. Turns out that Klingon Bird-of-Prey shot is a matte painting...
http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/24/interview-mike-denise-okuda-talk-star-trek-tng-the-next-level-part-1/
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More Farpoint Caps
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#farp_ex (http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#farp_ex)
Mostly Saucer Separation
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ugh how that episode (and season for that matter) was so cheesy and wrong on so many levels lol
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Odd cause all 7 of my TNG box sets are fine... are we even talking about the same DVD box set?
(http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/nl/images/2/2e/TNG_DVDs.jpg)
I'm not the only one, it seems that a lot of people are experiencing it. The plastic casings to click your dvd's in are too hard. So everything you take your dvd out, it cracks a bit the dvd or if you put it back in.. One of the reasons they used a different plastic dvd casing for Ds9/voy/ enterprise and the entire soft casings.
(http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/exclusive_images/Farpoint/Farpoint10d.jpg)
I think they really need to do something about this. Oke it's nice and sharp, and it will probably look better in motion but this is imo far from good. You can see this pure a model, look at the sections, windows, etc.. I'm hoping to see some videofootage soon..
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Huh had no idea the European DVD set was so different from the US release.
(http://www.sci-fi-online.com/Features/04-04-26_Trekpackaging_02.jpg) <--- Mine
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HMV have recently released a complete set of TNG in a "soft" box as it were for ?200.
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;5;-1;-1;-1&sku=5819#anchorSpecialFeatures
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ugh how that episode (and season for that matter) was so cheesy and wrong on so many levels lol
Have to agree mostly, especially the story lines of a certain 15 year old boy being the only person who can save the flagship of the Federation because her crew that all graduated at the top of their class' couldn't do it...
Although I have to admit I enjoyed "The Arsenal of Freedom." One of TNG's best early episodes in my opinion.
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(http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/exclusive_images/Farpoint/Farpoint10c.jpg)
:yay:
Very nice CG shot. They have a very accurate mesh there... I almost fell for it being the 6 foot model... :)
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I have to admit I enjoyed "The Arsenal of Freedom." One of TNG's best early episodes in my opinion.
i agree...
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i agree...
That's one I never got around to seeing..
Perhaps I should wait for the HD release? :D
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Very nice CG shot. They have a very accurate mesh there... I almost fell for it being the 6 foot model... :)
wow another shot I wouldn't have noticed was CG until you pointed it out.
Someone made a nice video montage of the current images we have compared to up scaled DVD shots
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Well, good thing they at least used a bit of the CGI model in the Saucer Sep scene...I just wish they had done so entirely, I'm inclined to agree with sov001...
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I wish they'd replaced all the fx shots personally. It wouldn't have been disrespectful or any bull like that. Most shots could have been like for like replacements plus using a CGI model of the 6 foot model for all shots would have made every episode of the show consistant (like they did in TOS-R) and match Star Trek Generations.
While I am impressed with the work so far, I feel cheated that they aren't making by far the greatest Star Trek spin off even greater
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they probably were not given the budget to replace every shot with CG.
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True, stupid studio execs! :funny
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Well, good thing they at least used a bit of the CGI model in the Saucer Sep scene...I just wish they had done so entirely, I'm inclined to agree with sov001...
I even showed it to my dad, who introduced me to TNG. He very much liked the "upgrade" of bluray quality. But like me, he only liked the stuff on board the ship. The people, the visuals of the lcars... The space scenery, he hated. in less than a few seconds, he already pointed out that it just looked like a model in front of a star background. Somehow he is right. THere are some good improvements in the bluray stuff if it comes to the space scenery. But a lot is just too detailed and too model like. In the seperation stuff, the neck is just soo plastic looking, the windows look like copy paste and it looks they are gonna drop off the neck any moment. There are really some good stuff out there like the cg picture somebody showed here.. Then are again some cg pictures with the overexagerated rainbow warpstreaks..
Then again the use of the 4foot model, 6foot model.. Don't get it actually.. It's not that they use in every single episode different stuff..
1) ship orbit planet
2) admiral visits the enterprise, so the typical excelsior and galaxy moment
3) ship flies in space or warp
4) ship encounters enemy
Those are the typical stuff.. How hard can it be to replace these things and use the same stuff?
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VERY HARD to get the look right. Also no windows on the Ship were decals...
ALSO one other thing... the rainbow warp well that was always there... just much more clearer here xD (everything will look better in motion)
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woot just arrived to my door. :D
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3357/img0308p.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/208/img0308p.jpg/)
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VERY HARD to get the look right. Also no windows on the Ship were decals...
ALSO one other thing... the rainbow warp well that was always there... just much more clearer here xD (everything will look better in motion)
actually, he's partially right, lights were done in a composite pass. Since it would have been prohibitive to light up all the windows on the ship (and at that size they wouldn't have looked right on camera anyway) they painted them with a special UV florescent paint. After filming it under normal lighting they'd film it with UV so that the windows glowed. Then it's a simple matter of correcting the color of the windows in the UV pass and combining it with the normal pass so that the windows appeared to be lit on the model (that's also why the windows aren't always lit the same way like they'd be on a traditionally lit model). I can see where that might look fake on the higher definition bluray.
I think it's interesting that at this definition you can even make out the original Probert color scheme of the Aztec in some of the shots.
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the rainbow warp well that was always there... just much more clearer here xD (everything will look better in motion)
Wesley, warp fabulous, engage!
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OMFG OMFG! I just watched Encounter at Farpoint and OMFG was the detail SOUND and well ALL AROUND QUALITY AMAZING!!!!
I'm going to watch the next two eps tomorrow but from what I've seen I'm definitely going to be getting the full Blu-ray releases.
They just did an outstanding job.
(the scenes where you think you'd notice the obvious model used well in motion there is no way you can pick it out.)
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I just hope that CBS will show the TNG remastered episodes on TV.
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TNG season 1 intro in HD
And the Later seasons intro
And Saucer Separation
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Hamana-hamana-hamana...
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:thumbsup:
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Wesley, warp fabulous, engage!
Well Patrick Stewart did play a gay man in an episode or two of Frasier! XD
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In those HD intros, is it just me, or does the person walking in the conference room seems a bit... clunky?
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I think personally it's a person pacing, meaning there movements can be somewhat erratic. When you're in a room walking around, I sincerely doubt you just walk across the room back and forth from one end to the other at a steady pace. You'd complete your movements very quickly and the entire movement would be pointless. He might have walked a bit, looked out the window, then kept walking.
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I like the intro's, they are welldone. The saucer seperation scene looks good but the close up part of the stardrive still looks like a model from a kid (windows that are chunky cut and paste)
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non of the windows are stickers....
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Great improvment!
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non of the windows are stickers....
Neb I think what he means is cut and pasted post production not decals per se
However I don't think he understands fully how they make those shots
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As a graphic designer working with stuff like this, i do know how. But i don't think it just looks good that scene.
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Well I know it's early, but there may be just a sliver of hope for getting an HD DS9 release after CBS finishes with TNG...
http://www.startrek.com/article/todays-the-day-tng-on-blu-ray
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Ex Astris did a comparison
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/encounteratfarpoint.htm
Also, TrekCore screen caps
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=1
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I spotted the CG model they've got at CBS-Digital that the Okudas have said they have to plug any gaps in the effects footage. I imagine it'll be seen very infrequently. Took a screen-grab, it doesn't look like a re-use, and looks pretty damned accurate to the 6-footer!
(http://i.imgur.com/SuvZi.jpg)
There's a hint of registry lighting there, though - that'll have to go before they integrate it into any episodes. The Enterprise-D never had registry lighting, afaik.
I spotted it http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Wis3HpE5onY#[/youtube]t=83s"]here, in the TNG-HD Season One trailer. (http://"[youtube)
TrekMovie: Speaking of "Sins of the Father," I noticed that the opening shot of the Enterprise and the Klingon ship looked a bit different. Was that computer generated? And how do you choose when to use a CGI version of the Enterprise or other ships?
Mike Okuda: Virtually all the ship shots are the original film elements. Occasionally a film element won?t be found or will be unusable for whatever technical reason. In that particular case, that was not a CG Enterprise, that was actually a new matte painting. However, they do have a digital Enterprise, because we know it will be needed at some point.
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Bren...they're using Tobias Richter's Enterprise...this isn't news at all. Take a look at the Saucer Separation remake and you'll see it.
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WHAAAAAAT?! :eek
Wow, that's awesome! Where did you hear that? When I first spotted it, I immediately thought of him, and went through his progress thread over on SciFi-Meshes, but I only found rumour and speculation, no confirmation from the man himself.
Also, the deflector on his model is a slightly different shape, it seems to me.
(http://i.imgur.com/q6pKX.jpg)
I'm obviously not going to point to colouring or materials, but the mesh proportions and certain shapes seem off. Also, Richter has erroneously left the Generations aft-nacelle tags on for his TNG version - not that they'd be difficult to remove.
You could still very well be right, though - the deflector's apparent shape changes a lot with the viewing angle, for example. It's a testament to CBS and Richter's abilities that we seasoned starship eyeballers are having such difficulty distinguishing, not only which CG model is which, but where a CG replacement has occurred in TNG-HD and where it has not!
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No bren you're not seeing things. That deflector is way off from what I can see. Hell not just the deflector it's the whole front end of the secondary hull, the shape of it is well out. The nacelles are wrong too. Bussards seem small to my eyes and the nacelles themselves look like they're the wrong shape.
Could be my eyes though.
Then again I'm simply glad that TNG is getting a HD redux :D
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(http://chriscorner.binhoster.com/SFMImages/TNGRemasteredCaps/IMG00001.png)
(http://chriscorner.binhoster.com/SFMImages/TNGRemasteredCaps/IMG00002.png)
It's still only speculation, but compare the lighting of those two shots to your photo bren. They do match up.
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Ooh, excellent point, Eclipse - the window lighting patterns do seem to match... but... :D
Did the window config on the 6 footer ever change on any of the footage shot for the series? It's not something you'd ordinarily pay attention to, but it's likely that the same windows were lit at all times, since changing it would require opening the model up and rearranging the window "blinds".
SO...
It's conceivable, though unlikely, that both the putative CBS-D modeller and Tobias paid just as much attention as each other. :)
I admit, it's a stretch. You're probably right, and it's a made-over Richter-D.
Which is Frickin' Brilliant!!!
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Ooh, excellent point, Eclipse - the window lighting patterns do seem to match... but... :D
Did the window config on the 6 footer ever change on any of the footage shot for the series? It's not something you'd ordinarily pay attention to, but it's likely that the same windows were lit at all times, since changing it would require opening the model up and rearranging the window "blinds".
SO...
It's conceivable, though unlikely, that both the putative CBS-D modeller and Tobias paid just as much attention as each other. :)
I admit, it's a stretch. You're probably right, and it's a made-over Richter-D.
Which is Frickin' Brilliant!!!
AFAIK The only time it changed was the repaint in Generations.
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Yeah, I just checked it out, and the model's window config is different to the CGI model's, which is an exact match for Tobias'.
:bow: :thumbsup:
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Just bought for 5 euros the tng taste of high definition! Gonna let you know guys what i think of it..
Edit: oke this is apparently not widescreen :(
Edit 2: just finished sins of a father.
The stuff i was looking forward too (costumes, sets) are very nice but you notice there are lights shining right above the people. That they are on a set. While on the dvd stuff because it was way more blurry, you didn't notice it.
Space wise, the stuff i was very doubtful is just very nice. The ship looks nice, the planets are a bit outdated but they are nice.
Sound is also great but the voices are sometimes deep (voice of worf). Still looks nice.. Too bad there is not that much action..
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Edit: oke this is apparently not widescreen :(
Nope, the show was shot in 4:3. DS9 and Voyager too. Star Trek (TV shows that is) didn't start using 16:9 until Enterprise started.
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Nope, the show was shot in 4:3. DS9 and Voyager too. Star Trek (TV shows that is) didn't start using 16:9 until Enterprise started.
Actually because they used 35mm film TNG COULD be in wide screen but they aren't doing that because they are hiding all the stuff you're not supposed to see.
However, even though the show is in 4:3 we still see more on the edges because it went from 480 pixels to 1080 pixels in resolution. Just compare two shots from the DVD release to the Blu-ray release you'll notice you can see more.
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I remember reading that the later seasons of DS9 at least were shot with widescreen in mind. They dressed the set, and set up the cameras accordingly. The FX are probably another story, but they'd mostly need to be re-done anyway. I doubt those old EdenFX and Foundation Imaging files for the battles still exist.
Hopefully this is taken into account if/when DS9 is done.
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I remember reading that the later seasons of DS9 at least were shot with widescreen in mind. They dressed the set, and set up the cameras accordingly. The FX are probably another story, but they'd mostly need to be re-done anyway. I doubt those old EdenFX and Foundation Imaging files for the battles still exist.
Hopefully this is taken into account if/when DS9 is done.
God I hope you're right.
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The FX are probably another story, but they'd mostly need to be re-done anyway. I doubt those old EdenFX and Foundation Imaging files for the battles still exist.
Hopefully this is taken into account if/when DS9 is done.
DS9 in bluray, god! I hope so, but i wonder... are we gonna see shields this time in ds9 ? Imagine that they redo the end battle of "what you leave behind". Instead of that re-used footage! Pff can't wait :D
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DS9 in bluray, god! I hope so, but i wonder... are we gonna see shields this time in ds9 ? Imagine that they redo the end battle of "what you leave behind". Instead of that re-used footage! Pff can't wait :D
Don't get too excited yet. CBS said they're considering giving DS9 and Voyager the same treatment as TNG, but also made it clear that TNG is the priority right now. If they do end up doing DS9 we won't see it for a while (conservative estimate? After JJ's 3rd Trek movie).
EDIT: Some news on the remaster. The 13 seconds of footage from "Sins of the Father" that was lost has now been found, so when season 3 is remastered we can expect this to be fixed. Also some images of the new Crystaline Entity. :yay:
http://trekmovie.com/2012/04/11/new-crystalline-entity-for-star-trek-tng-in-hd-revealed/
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TNG: The First Season Blu-ray Arrives On July 24 (http://www.startrek.com/article/tng-the-first-season-blu-ray-arrives-on-july-24)
watch an exclusive clip HERE (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/04/30/star-trek-tng-blu-ray-season-1/)!
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Some new HD pictures
http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Star-Trek-The-Next-Generation-Season-1-Blu-ray-Release-Date-and-Images-Revealed/10647
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Wow... :eek
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Wow... :eek
Yes Indeed :D
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I never did get TNG on VHS and my friend gave me his entire TNG DVD set for free* so hell yes I'm buying this! :D
I do hope they hurry up and get DS9 done!
*He was clearing out his house hoping to erase any possible reference to the mrs after they had a rather messy split. As good an excuse as any I suppose!
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Damn TNG looks good in HD.
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Damn TNG looks good in HD.
Amen bubba.
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:eek
(http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/24073_STTNG_S1_Still_17_1080.jpg)
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Source:
(http://www.trekmovie.com/images/newhead1019.jpg) (http://trekmovie.com/2012/05/01/new-star-trek-tng-season-1-blu-ray-images/)
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I just noticed something in the Big D approaching space dock screenies...apparently there's a party on all decks. Not a single light is out. :eek
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Brent Spiner's nipple in HD :yay:
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Brent Spiner's nipple in HD :yay:
And that's one reason I hated the early TNG uniforms, as well as the low neckline. The later ones look much more professional, and more militaristic... Though the early DS9 and Voyager uniforms seemed to go slightly less "military styled", in my opinion.
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And that's one reason I hated the early TNG uniforms, as well as the low neckline. The later ones look much more professional, and more militaristic... Though the early DS9 and Voyager uniforms seemed to go slightly less "military styled", in my opinion.
I believe that was intentional - they wanted them to have more of a boiler-suit feel, O'Brien's penchant for rolling his sleeves up was designed into the costume from the beginning. Hence the more workman-like material, and the occasional visible zip on the sternum line.
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And that's one reason I hated the early TNG uniforms, as well as the low neckline. The later ones look much more professional, and more militaristic... Though the early DS9 and Voyager uniforms seemed to go slightly less "military styled", in my opinion.
I believe that was intentional - they wanted them to have more of a boiler-suit feel, O'Brien's penchant for rolling his sleeves up was designed into the costume from the beginning. Hence the more workman-like material, and the occasional visible zip on the sternum line.
Both of you are correct..
DS9 season 5 uniforms were enough proof to show that the feds were suiting up to be military again.
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those uniforms (late ds9/nemesis) uniforms were the best looking IMO...
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those uniforms (late ds9/nemesis) uniforms were the best looking IMO...
Agreed. Thou I did like the Early DS9/VOY uniforms as well.
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those uniforms (late ds9/nemesis) uniforms were the best looking IMO...
To me, they're tied with the Wrath of Khan ones. WITH the turtlenecks, heh heh.
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Loved the TWOK Uniforms, those and the late DS9 ones tie for best in my opinion. Later TNG style a close second.
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My favs were the last ones... the grey ones.
I thought they were the most well-thought out and the dress versions of them were also very cool.
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true but some people looked fat into it, and the feds looked a bit "old" in it..
Actually, the voy 'living witness" and the yesterday enterprise uniforms weren't bad either.
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On Monday July 23rd at 7:00 PM (local), theaters across the USA will be showing two episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation in HD. The two episodes are Ep. 106 ?Where No One Has Gone Before? and Ep. 114 ?Datalore,? both of which are part of the TNG Blu-ray set which comes out the next day (July 24th).
The event will also include exclusive looks at the massive restoration of season one, never-before-seen interviews with the original cast members and behind-the-scenes looks at the artists who created the original FX elements and photography during the making of the show. Audiences will also be privy to an unseen sneak-peak of ?Measure of a Man.?
THEATER LIST (http://trekmovie.com/2012/06/01/star-trek-tng-hd-screenings-theater-list-announced-amazon-lowers-blu-ray-pre-order-price/)
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WOOHOO! birthday present!!!
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Will have to go to Brassfield one in Greensboro :D That's the closest one to me LOL
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I just got my tickets, so excited!
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Would be great. But i live on the wrong continent. :cry:
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I was thinking, it would be awesome if they had a theater event every year. Think of BoBW on the big screen.
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I was thinking, it would be awesome if they had a theater event every year. Think of BoBW on the big screen.
Yes, First Contact would be trumped!
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especially if they snuck in some never-before-done CGI battlescenes of Wolf 359 or whatever...
granted that would never happen but how friggin cool it would be if it did!
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especially if they snuck in some never-before-done CGI battlescenes of Wolf 359 or whatever...
granted that would never happen but how friggin cool it would be if it did!
Would be awesome indeed. What would be more awesome if the transfer was from the original film reels rather than the videotape copies made way back when.
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All the remastering has been from the film negatives captain_obvious, can't see why they would stop unless they can't find them.
Season 2 trailer
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Okay, I don't know if everyone here picked up on this little detail from this story (http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#comiccon1) at Trekcore:
Regarding DS9 on Blu-Ray: Director of Multimedia at CBS Television Distribution Ryan Adams said that CBS are putting this decision in the fans? hands. However, Adams assures fans DS9 HD "is officially on our radar now." He made it clear that CBS want to engage with the fans who are part of the process. "If this is what you want, make it vocal ? especially now with social media, Facebook, Twitter, Blogging ? you guys let us know what you want next. We want to please the fans and give them what they want."
It's time to get our asses to work!
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Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if they had that same attitude about a new star trek TV series..........
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Who else went to the 25th anniversary showing today? I thought it was awesome to see those 2 remastered eps on the bigscreen.
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Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if they had that same attitude about a new star trek TV series..........
See here. (http://trekweb.com/articles/2012/06/25/Roberto-Orci-Says-CBS-is-Interested-in-New-Star-Trek-TV-Series-Says-Maybe-Its-Better-to-Tie-Series-into-the-New-Movie-Universe.shtml)
In my opinion though, it's better to wait until JJ finishes his films. Don't get me wrong, I want a new Trek series too, but it'd be smart in the long-run if they avoid the mistake they made in the 90s: Oversaturation. Starting up Voyager immediately after TNG had ended its run (and was starting its movie franchise), while at the same time DS9 was starting its third season was simply overkill for both the fans and the writers. Even the most hard-core fan has trouble keeping up with two TV series' and a steady stream of movies; and that's saying nothing for the general audience.
So that leaves us with remastering. TNG needed it desperately and the results are phenomenal. DS9 can be the same way if we get vocal. This can only end in a number of ways: Either do nothing and nothing happens; do something and nothing happens; or do something and something happens. What do we have to lose?
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Very good post Nero. 100% agree. Cookie for you. ;)
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Agreed
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TNG needed it desperately and the results are phenomenal.
I watched the entire of TNG in the past few weeks (I had only seen random episodes previously), with the three episodes from the preview Blu-Ray thrown in. I didn't have a problem at all with the original ones - the only issues I had with quality was that sometimes space wasn't quite pure black (only noticable because of the black bars due to 4:3) and some scanlines on the very edge of the screen. They're still very much watchable.
Of course, there's nothing wrong with better quality, I'm just saying that the original ones are stil fine.
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except the colors are all wrong and details you would enjoy seeing are not present on the DVD...
Watching "Where No One Has Gone Before" and "DataLore" on the big screen the other night just showed to me even more potential these Bluray remasters are giving TNG.
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Who else went to the 25th anniversary showing today? I thought it was awesome to see those 2 remastered eps on the bigscreen.
I did but for me last nite. The episodes did look good.
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I went last night and it was awesome! At the end of each episode the audience clapped their hands. It felt so good to be among Star Trek fans that really appreciate it.
I have all the series in DVD (including the remastered TOS)... except TNG, for some reason, I decided to wait. And now I'm glad I did. The remastered graphics/effects are fantastic and now I have to save my money to get these disks.
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I thought this was neat, in the TNG episode 'The Naked Now' Data finds out that the original Enterprise had a similar situation (TOS: The Naked Time). But on the computer screen it showed the Refit Enterprise from TMP. They fixed it in The Remastered to show the TOS Enterprise.
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03/nakednow_hd_162.jpg
TrekCore has HD caps for the Naked Now up
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=5&page=1 (http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=5&page=1)
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Jenga! (http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03/nakednow_hd_303.jpg)
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Someone posted this on another forum I go to
TNG S1 Blu-ray replacement info: (http://"http://www.startrek.com/article/tng-blu-ray-audio-fix")
Dear Star Trek Fans, We have discovered an anomaly in the English 7.1 DTS Master Audio track in our Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 1 Blu-ray Box set. There are some episodes that inadvertently had their front channel designations incorrectly mapped, resulting in an undesired playback experience when listening to them in a 7.1 or 5.1 Surround Sound environment. We are quickly working to remedy the situation. Replacement discs (Disc 1, 3 and 4) will be made available free of charge. Please email phe.stng@bydeluxe.com for details regarding the replacement program. You may also call 1-877-DELUXE6 (877-335-8936) between 8am to 6pm Pacific, Monday-Friday. We strive to provide our fans the best Blu-ray experience possible and sincerely apologize for this inconvenience.
The number I called said that the replacement discs should ship within five days after August 10th, so I guess they're still manufacturing them right now (and preparing future S1 releases with the correct discs.)
Make sure you have your S1 discs handy when calling.
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Jenga! (http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03/nakednow_hd_303.jpg)
:rotflmfao:
I dunno who's having more fun - you or the guy playing Jenga with ODN chips.
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Code of Honour caps up
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=6
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*sighs* sad they STILL have the black cardboard :( they could have edited that!!!
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I hated that episode anyway.
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*sighs* sad they STILL have the black cardboard :( they could have edited that!!!
Black cardboard?
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Black cardboard?
On the computer panels at the back of the bridge.
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at least they are A LOT harder to spot this time around.
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I still keep my opinion that they could have edited them :P
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Probably the same reason they didn't change the green computer displays in the Naked Now. Its part of the 'original aesthetic'
Mike Okuda considered fixing the green displays to match the other LCARS colours, but decided against it for the above reason.
According to an interview on Trek Core the reason they are green was a production error, the guy who made them didn't get or didn't follow the colour guide.
Only thing Okuda fixed was replacing the refit Enterprise with the Pre-refit version.
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The Last Outpost
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=7
EAS has observations up for the first 4 episodes of season 1, I think they're coming out as Trek Core releases their screen caps.
Farpoint: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/encounteratfarpoint.htm
The Naked Now: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/thenakednow.htm
Code of Honour: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/codeofhonor.htm
The Last Outpost: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/thelastoutpost.htm
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News on the extended cut of "A Measure of a Man"
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/130812_measureextended.html
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I just found these large hq orthos of the new cgi Enterprise for anyone who wants to see them.
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?s=148527015f96e7ccc42d1ce9eeaadf33&attachmentid=92455&d=1315058424
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?s=148527015f96e7ccc42d1ce9eeaadf33&attachmentid=92456&d=1315058424
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?s=148527015f96e7ccc42d1ce9eeaadf33&attachmentid=92457&d=1315058449
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Those are Tobias Richter's orthos. My Enterprise-D was based from them. They are very accurate.
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The boxset is up on lovefilm.com! :D
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What episodes are you all looking forward to seeing in season 2?
I can't wait for "Contagion" and "Q Who". (Well actually I can wait. I can't justify $115 for one season.)
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Q Who, and Measure of a Man would be my favs from that season. Plus, the remastered Measure of a Man, is supposed to include a special extended version of the episode.
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TNG Season 3 Blu-Ray Video
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That's pretty quick. We haven't quite got season 2 yet and they already release the trailer for 3. Looks stunning though, it's the one I'm really looking forward to. Yesterday's Enterprise in HD :yay:
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Same thing happened with Season 1, AFAIK it came with a season 2 trailer.
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Ok so, a Special separate release of BOBW will be released along side of the Season 3 Blu-Ray release, it will be both parts.
Season 3 will just include part 1.
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/01072013_s3bobw.html
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Here comes season 5! I do believe they're getting much better at CGing missing shots.
Is anybody worried about TNG toned down cinematic quality? Towards the end and into early DS9 and VOY Star Trek adopted its own kind of television style, very formulaic and stoic.
I wonder if we've seen the last of the TNG cinema events. Season 4 is out next month and nothing has been announced.
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I'm getting a tax rebate and I am very tempted to buy seasons 1-4 on blu ray. I have the Best of Both Worlds disc and it just knocked my socks off!
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So, this shot from Unification HD, is a CG model
(http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images-unification/unification-bluray-hull-scraper.jpg)
I didn't believe it at first.
(http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images-s5review/tngs5-blu-review-unification-render.jpg)
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Damn that's crazy!!
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So, this shot from Unification HD, is a CG model
(http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images-unification/unification-bluray-hull-scraper.jpg)
:drool:
Damn, now i really have to get TNG remastered, too!
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Now that's a damn good model. I must have an eye for spotting CG imagery or something, because I'd seen that shot before and thought "that's CGI, surely?"...
A bloody nice model though. No doubt.
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That can't be just a bump map right? Those panels must be modeled in at least a little bit. She's clearly ready for the big screen if I do say so myself. Dayumn!
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You'd be surprised the level of detailing that can be achieved with some proper bump/normal mapping, and other visual trickery.
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A lot of that detail looks modelled in, especially the escape pods etc. The stuff that (to me) looks normalled/bumped in is the azteching.