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Title: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on February 29, 2012, 08:11:03 AM
I'm very excited for this but it won't be stocked in GAME or Gamestation, the slow death of retailers is apparent.

Anyways some decisions I feel are gonna bite me in the arse, still should be a good game.  :D

Anyone else getting it?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on February 29, 2012, 09:48:30 AM
I already bought it via origin, now just have to wait a little bit longer ;)

I've played the demo and to be honest I expected more pump at the very beginning but otherwise they chooseto make a dramatic one - cool but could be better :P

Multiplayer is... well ... uninspiring to say at least (at least the one in DEMO) compared to Battlefield it is too dull, simple defense against wavesof hostile troops, fun for 5 minutes then meh, yawn and quit game :(

I do hope multiplayer will be better, anyway I bought it mainly for SP.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on February 29, 2012, 10:23:05 AM
The single player should be the best, dare I say better than skyrim?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on February 29, 2012, 10:37:28 AM
hope so, so far both ME1&2 were awesome
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on February 29, 2012, 02:00:15 PM
I'm getting it, perhaps not right away but I will be getting it at some point!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: majormagna on February 29, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
I'm sorry to say that although I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2, I won't be getting Mass Effect 3 as long as it is exclusive to Origin...

I bet 70% of Origins users only have it for Battlefield 3 or Mass Effect 3...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Darkthunder on March 01, 2012, 12:20:41 AM
Although I enjoyed Mass Effect 1 and 2, I will not be buying Mass Effect 3 due to EA's lame attempts at additional cash grabbing. They have plans for "Launch Day DLC", which is content that should've been a part of the game, at no additional cost.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on March 01, 2012, 07:47:48 AM
Although I enjoyed Mass Effect 1 and 2, I will not be buying Mass Effect 3 due to EA's lame attempts at additional cash grabbing. They have plans for "Launch Day DLC", which is content that should've been a part of the game, at no additional cost.

Oh you mean the content that is on the disk but you have to pay to unlock?
Hence why I'm not buying it right away.  EA will fold, just give it time.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Maxloef on March 01, 2012, 11:04:19 AM
Oh you mean the content that is on the disk but you have to pay to unlock?
Hence why I'm not buying it right away.  EA will fold, just give it time.

actualy the DDE gets it for free ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 01, 2012, 07:22:42 PM
I've got it pre-ordered...now I need to finish Mass Effect 2.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Phoenix Bondi on March 03, 2012, 07:06:10 PM
never played any of them got 3 for review purpose's as i do game reviews for a second job - not touched it yet as it was sent to me by mistake lol - so not played any of them - Worth starting at 3 or do 1 and 2 and then finally 3??? and maxloef said they all work together wat happens in 1 and 2 differ and remember what you've done EACH GAME????
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on March 03, 2012, 07:14:43 PM
never played any of them got 3 for review purpose's as i do game reviews for a second job - not touched it yet as it was sent to me by mistake lol - so not played any of them - Worth starting at 3 or do 1 and 2 and then finally 3??? and maxloef said they all work together wat happens in 1 and 2 differ and remember what you've done EACH GAME????

Yeah pretty much ME1+2 effects what happens in 3, so you have a personnel experinence and have to live in the world of the decisions you made. Yeah I hope all goes well or i'm playing 1+2 again  :funny .
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: TheConstable6 on March 04, 2012, 03:45:49 PM
After wasting 62.84327416% of my life so far on ME1&2, and still having a lot of spare life to waste on Skyrim (need...level 5...VAMPIRE!), I'm going to wait a bit on ME3. Most likely June. Mihi strenuissimus erit :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 05, 2012, 01:12:47 AM
Just finished up Mass Effect 2!  I have a couple of DLC missions left to do, and I'll be ready for ME3! :yay:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on March 05, 2012, 07:00:08 PM
Finished ME 2 within a few weeks of it being released. 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 06, 2012, 02:02:12 AM
Yeah I managed to set up new save with, I guess, all quests done :D now just need to do the arrival DLC and wait until 9th for release
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Tuskin38 on March 07, 2012, 09:51:49 PM
Got it, loving it

Pro-tip: Do every side quest you can and explore every system to 100%

You no longer have to scan each planet individually, so its less tedious.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 08, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Got it, loving it

Pro-tip: Do every side quest you can and explore every system to 100%

You no longer have to scan each planet individually, so its less tedious.

Does EDI still wearily make the joke if you scan and probe Uranus?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 08, 2012, 01:58:37 AM
I won't spoil but now she makes different kind of jokes :P and there's more of her in game :D OMG I can't wait for tomorrow :D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 10, 2012, 05:09:46 PM
Just finished up the Mars mission this morning.  Wow, I am extraordinarily impressed.  The characters look better and move better than in ME2(especially fem-Shep's walk cycle).  I'm thoroughly pleased with the slight tweaks to the combat, especially the melee.  And the DLC stuff that came with the N7 edition just adds to it.  Though I'm currently using the Chakram Launcher that I got for doing the demo of Kingdoms of Amalur.  That sucker is AWESOME.  A fully charged shot kills those jerks carrying shields with one blow.

Also, I like that you can have one of each weapon type now, even though a Soldier couldn't use a sub-machine gun previously.  I was weirded out that the armory was moved.  While I can kinda agree with the Alliance's thinking on moving it to the hanger deck, an armory near the airlock on the CIC deck wouldn't go amiss.  I also like that the first thing Joker says to you when you go to talk to him is a complaint.

I'm kinda disappointed that the two Cerberus engineers from ME2 were gone.  Out of all the Cerberus personnel, they seemed to have their heads on straight. EDIT: Never mind!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 12, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
just finished it and I don't know what to think, I hate it as much as I love it, kinda predictable since whole last mission takes an obvious direction so you know from the very beginning how it will end but I won't spoil it, I'll wait until more people finish it ;)

As for technicals, I'm really disappointed TBH ... graphically there is little to none improvement over ME2, cover system works quite dumb and everything looks over contrasted - especially shadows are way to dark, in some places you can only see whole person black with only visible eyes ... looks kinda creepy. I love what Bioware did with sounds ! Music is also great (gotta love main piano theme which can be heard in various areas like escaping earth or final mission)

Characters seems to be the only thing that was improved, here I can agree with Shadowknight.

Normandy is now stupidly redone ... just look at the minimap of the CIC deck  :facepalm: how could they fit that wardroom there !?
Lighting is nice, ME2 Normandy was elegant, ME3 feels now more like military ship.

Locations are cool, skydomes sucks big time, they are clearly 512x512 maps...

I really like dynamic life onboard Normandy, team/crew mates now move from time to time throughot the ship so don;t expect Garrus to sit in main gun battery control room calibrating stuff all the time :P there was even a joke in one of the dialogs about him calibrating weapons everytime we spoke to him in ME2, nice one :

I wonder how Bioware's gonna make a continuation of ME franchise after ME3
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 12, 2012, 06:22:14 PM
There were several references to Garrus's calibrations.

I haven't finished it yet, but oh well.  As for the war-room, I can easily see how it could be in there.  All they did was rip out the armory and the conference room and rearranged everything.

And the ship really had a kind-of...unfinished look to it, especially in the CIC.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on March 12, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
Yeah the ship appears to have been canniblaised and all the polish took out of it. Though the game is highly enjoyable, wish I could scan safley without the threat of a Reaper attack.  :lostit:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 12, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
Okay, someone just pointed this out to me.  There is a good reason for the somewhat un-polished look.  The Normandy wasn't exactly ready, they were still getting it ready to be Anderson's mobile command center.

Also, can anyone get a good resolution screencap of the Normandy at FTL loading screen?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 13, 2012, 03:48:09 PM
uh-oh , I don't think so, just look at the mini map :P it looks ridiculous, while the CIC is running through the centre line of the ship the war room is much more to the port side, but then again in Halo, Pillar of Autumn became a 4 km long trench run instead of around 1 km long ship :P so this doesn't bite at all.

Acually I really like that unfinished look to it, makes it look overstuffed with stuff, I only wish they had put the Normandy into more action.

 
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mario on March 13, 2012, 06:37:32 PM
I'm planning on getting the game soon and have a save game ready to import my character. But I have to ask (no spoilers please though), whats with the ending(s) and some kind of petition to alter the game ending? According to some of my friends, the ending is a "train wreck"....
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: TheConstable6 on March 13, 2012, 10:38:27 PM
Not going to lie, I was not pleased with the endings...

Not too disappointed though, because I didn't think they could top ME2 (and didn't expect them to,) and because...it's Mass Effect, and it's still brilliant and beautiful and suchlike  :angel
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 13, 2012, 11:51:11 PM
uh-oh , I don't think so, just look at the mini map :P it looks ridiculous, while the CIC is running through the centre line of the ship the war room is much more to the port side, but then again in Halo, Pillar of Autumn became a 4 km long trench run instead of around 1 km long ship :P so this doesn't bite at all.

It still fits in the silhouette of the Normandy.

And honestly, I haven't beaten it yet, but the endings depend on galactic readiness, and also whether or not you destroyed or kept the Collector Base.  I like that.  A game where giving a crap about the people you run across helps you in the long run.

I still wish that I hadn't saved after head-butting that stupid reporter b*tch.  If you go full Paragon and actually talk to her, she can be a war asset. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 14, 2012, 04:05:58 AM
I was tempted to tell her to GTFO but then I looked at her again and thought she might look nice on board the Normandy, I was surprised she's a war asset :D Also I was happy to get my fav engineers (yes yes, it's Ken and Gabby) back on ship.

Just started another campaign, this time it's a Fem Shep and this time I'll try to pick different ending (last time I picked synthesis ending - green beam)

Now that I read about 20 topics on bioware forums about how ending I don't understand why it was hated so much  :idk: personally I feel they are almost perfect (almost because one huge detail ruins it a little bit)

Also I've noticed I've imported wrong ME2 save file in the first place  :facepalm: now I'm playing with my latest save (all DLCs played) I wonder if it will change anything :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 14, 2012, 05:10:12 PM
I was tempted to tell her to GTFO but then I looked at her again and thought she might look nice on board the Normandy, I was surprised she's a war asset :D Also I was happy to get my fav engineers (yes yes, it's Ken and Gabby) back on ship.

I let that reporter on board because she seemed interested in the truth.  When that other reporter immediately questioned my decision to leave Earth and come to the Citadel...well, after all of her insinuations over the other games, she definitely deserved another beat-down.  I wish that I'd known she was a War Asset if you brought her around to your side though.

EDIT: Just watched the cutscene of what happens if you side with the geth against the quarians, which I knew I wouldn't have the heart to do, and the scene thoroughly convinced me of that.  Poor Tali. :cry:

EDIT 2: BTW, encountered a funny glitch during the Ex-Cerberus Scientists mission.  Jacob turned to Liara to say how good it was to see her again, which was funny cause she had apparently vanished at that very second.  Must've stolen Kasumi's stealth.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on March 15, 2012, 08:37:39 AM
I ran into a little glitch in the Normandy cockpit. Just stand behind Joker and little to the right towards EDI then talk to one of them.  You seem to get rooted to the spot and can't move or turn.  A reload is the only way to fix that from what I can tell. 

I'm going to give the mp a go.  Just for the hell of it (and maybe just maybe to get galactic readiness up a bit.  Mine is still stuck firmly at 50% across the board, effective strength is only just above 3k and I'm right before the assault on the Cerberus base.  Yes I did pretty much every single side quest I could find)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 15, 2012, 09:43:32 AM
ran into it few times, that tought me to quick save right before entering cockpit doors :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on March 15, 2012, 12:36:04 PM
Good god that multiplayer is glitchy! I've been getting the walking dead glitch all afternoon. 
Have any of you guys run into it?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: moed on March 15, 2012, 12:36:41 PM
I have a question: I just bought Mass Effect 2 and will be getting ME3 soon. I've never played ME1.

Do I (or should I) get ME1 for story continuity or could I just skip it and get a "good enough" gist of all the goings on in the Mass Effect universe with ME2 & 3?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on March 15, 2012, 01:31:40 PM
I have a question: I just bought Mass Effect 2 and will be getting ME3 soon. I've never played ME1.

Do I (or should I) get ME1 for story continuity or could I just skip it and get a "good enough" gist of all the goings on in the Mass Effect universe with ME2 & 3?

ME1 is probably vital to understanding what happens in 2+3, also you get to and see stuff which helps add to the story continuity later on.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 15, 2012, 02:36:34 PM
yeah I would recommend you to play ME1 first (story and you would have a chance to see how massively ME2 was improved over ME1 :D ) besides it's really cheap and easy to get ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 15, 2012, 03:32:13 PM
I have a question: I just bought Mass Effect 2 and will be getting ME3 soon. I've never played ME1.

Do I (or should I) get ME1 for story continuity or could I just skip it and get a "good enough" gist of all the goings on in the Mass Effect universe with ME2 & 3?

Depends on what system you have.  If you're getting it for PS3, then you can't get ME1 and just have to go through the comic to call it "good enough".  But if you're going Xbox or PC, then probably.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: TheConstable6 on March 15, 2012, 03:48:16 PM
Good god that multiplayer is glitchy! I've been getting the walking dead glitch all afternoon. 
Have any of you guys run into it?
I had it a lot the first two days but it's kinda receded
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 15, 2012, 04:23:19 PM
I haven't really done much of the multiplayer.  Heck, I was going to give it a try last night, but I got kicked for some reason, so I just booted up single-player.

BTW, I read that if you beat ME3 through New Game+, you unlock a secret ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on March 15, 2012, 04:54:41 PM
I had it a lot the first two days but it's kinda receded

Lucky you! I'm running around unable to do any damage (biggie), go up ladders (no biggie), use ammo crates (biggie), revive anyone (biggie) or do anything useful! (BIGGIE).
Meh, STO STFs it is!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mario on March 20, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
Well, I just finished playing the game... I feel so... I can't even put it in words. Re-playability just got killed with what they call an ending.

Overall it is a solid game, ruined by the last 10-15 minutes. I'd give it 8.5/10.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: TheConstable6 on March 20, 2012, 04:17:25 PM
Sadly those are my thoughts exactly. It kinda crushes you.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 20, 2012, 04:50:17 PM
!!! YE BE WARNED - SPOILERS AHEAD !!!


Felt the same but then after thinking about it for a while I came to conclussion that it was the best way to end this game, Shep had to commit ultimate sacrifice to save galaxy, Reaper tech had to be destroyed so the cycle is broken once and for all (remember what Sovereign told to Shepard on Vermire, that every major space faring race evolves in the way Reapers want because of their tech spread through the galaxy ? (namely mass relays and citadel) so in order to stop it those had to be destroyed.

I also thought it was uber sad for Normandy crew, but after credits we also get that cinematic clearly showing the same planet Normandy crashed on several centuries later so the crew, although very unlikely, did survive and managed to establish colony which grew to quite a population judging by the dialog (they had to achieve certain level of advancement to speak about traveling space soon.

So all in all, Krogans are free from their disease and now can rebuilt themselves independantly, Turians and Asari also will have to live on their own, Earth is saved and also separated from everyone else, but they keep the tech and eventually will rise from ashes like other races. Depending on how many Quarians went to the battle and how many stood on their reclaimed world they either extinct or somehow survive and continue living with Geth in peace (provided that you managed to bring them to peace), Joker and Co. establishes colony and lives happily till the end of his happy life.

THAT IS OPTIMISTIC VARIANT  :funny

NOW IT'S TIME FOR REALISTIC  :lostit:

Shepard dies for nothing, Reaper tech destroyed, severs all major races from eachother, colonies have to live on their own (without supplies, they eventually die) Turians looses their homeworld due to Krogan expansion (genofage cured, madness unleashed) Asari have to struggle with all that pureblood crap (at least they don't have krogans around), Quarians left on their planet fails to adjust to 'new' ecosystem  and eventually die, Geth coninue to expand (provided you didn't choose 'destruction of synthetics ending'). Earth, or what's left of it is in total chaos, Turians starves to death, Krogans starts to overrun the planet killing everything in their way, Citadel wreckedge falls down to the Earth surface killing countless of lives, whole allied fleet is stranded in SOL and might aswell share the fate of Turians (I remember Turians can't digest human food and so does the Krogan and Salarian, Quarinas would eventually die too due to their immune problems.
Normandy crew stranded on the tropical 'paradise' full of carnivoreus critters of all sorts with only handful of military personel, food and weapons... either they die due to incompatibility with environment (see the 'paradise' planet from ME2 where Jacob's dad crashed) or they will die naturally due to too small gene pool ( no way they could establish healthy population that would grow for centuries eventually hitting the same level of advancement as their ancestors had - namely Normandy crew - there simply to few of them + some of them were alines, robots or cripples ...)

It really depends on your imagination, at first I was realistic about it but then I went for optimistic point of view :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mario on March 20, 2012, 05:19:22 PM
I'm actually okay with that, what bothers me is the introduction of that "master of the galaxy kid" (ghostly child). That's really old and a cheap trick. And a lack of variety in the endings, I kind of expected DAO style endings to be honest.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on March 20, 2012, 05:37:48 PM
It wasn't bad though I don't belive you ever left Earth, the whole going up the beam thing and the Crucible part felt surreal.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on March 20, 2012, 05:44:02 PM
Bones, it was the Quarians and the Turians who couldn't eat the same food as us.  The salarians, krogan, asari etc were more or less ok with our stuff as far as I remember.

I for one hated the endings.  It seemed like you had to pick from 3 nasty ones.  The whole thing was a bit of a damp squib.  I disliked the first half hour and the last half hour of the game.
The multiplayer is ok though the equipment/weapon unlocks system is a bit cack.  Far too random imo and it should be rather more like COD.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Saquist on March 23, 2012, 12:39:00 AM
Just finished today. 

1.  Not being able to use my Custom Sheppard cuts it in a special place.
2.  The End..was incredible.  I chose to Synthsis Life and Synthetics...and it was just...PROFOUND a solution to the problem.  You can hate what you are a part of....Epic.
3.  I looked on You tube for the other endings to see what the big deal is....(It's bad...the other endings are exactly the same except for extremely minor details like....COLOR?)

I see what people are upset about but for me...this was just ONE ending and while I agree that they should have given us more at the end about how things turned out for the respective versions, I don't think it ruins the game. 

4. Playability on this one is the lowest of the three games.  I'm not sure if there is any reason at all to play different custom sheppards (especially because you can't import) none of the decision in this game have any impact at all on the current situations or the ending.

Still this was truly EPIC....
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 23, 2012, 03:18:45 AM
That's exactly what bothered me at the end... while I liked ending I was quite disappointed that every thing I did in all three games had little to no impact (only change was that if we kill Wrex in ME1 we won't be able to have Salarian help in ME3, screwing things up in ME2 also would make things harder for us in ME3 - namely gaining war assets - which had so much impact on ending as if during Normandy crash either the crew survives or they just die  :eek wow ... I think someone got sloppy here ...

nevertheless got to agree ... still this game is fraking epic.

Now I'd love to see a prequel like First Contact War, Battarian Blitz, Cerberus beginnings, Zaed founding Blue Suns or Anderson becoming SPECTRE, those would be awesome :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on March 23, 2012, 04:43:46 AM
They sound like great ideas, the first contact war has definate promise.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on March 23, 2012, 11:55:28 AM
1.  Not being able to use my Custom Sheppard cuts it in a special place.

Really?  why not?
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(especially because you can't import)

I did.  Although my femshep was the default in me 1 and 2.  I just can't bring myself to use the new default fem shep :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: KrrKs on March 23, 2012, 07:56:05 PM
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Really?  why not?

I think he means that the Face Recognition for ME1 custom Characters is gone.
... Not that anyone would want to play all three games with a similar looking Shepard or anything... :facepalm: [Sarcasm end]

Oh Spoilers ahead:

And jumping on the "crappy Ending" Bandwagon (I mean the Game was great, apart from the first few minutes and that End)
Bringing in this "Citadel-Child-Reaper-Master-Avatar" thingy was really Cheap and could have been left out Imo.
But really "We kill organics so they don't build machines killing themselves" was really bad and I have seen way better implementations of that Theme.

About "three Endings + minimalistic variances" - Didn't they tell us all three games long that blowing up Mass Relays was a baaad Idea because the Explosion would wipe out whole solar Systems??? -So in the End, no matter what, most "hospitable" Star Clusters are blown up and the Galaxy has some freaking big holes in it.

I don't mind that there are Only "insert number" Endings. I would gladly take only one Ending- if it were good.
I mean the games were about how you get to the Ending; Saving Earth/ The Galaxy was always the Goal, no matter if played as paragon or lying, cheating, murdering Renegade, or something in-between.
But this kind of ending takes the fun out of playing ME again.


Edit: Scrapped some repetitive "Oh"s (I shouldn't write late at night)
   Another thing that just popped up in my head: I didn't hear the Shepard/ME Theme score once in the Entire game. :idk:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 25, 2012, 03:38:33 AM
yeah ME relays blow up star system when collided with asteroid but not when hit with RGB beam from Citadel I guess, otherwise all these poor lads are screwed  :evil:

I didn't notice any problem with importing custom face cuz I always played with either standard male or fem shep.

Rumors says Bioware is about to bend and release DLC with additional endings :O dunno where I read it (I think it was gamespot) apparently Bioware did that on purpose, so they couold make people think, thought, rant about the game (marketing magic ?) so it gets even more controversial/ popular, also I heard those additional endings were finished before the game was released, they just wanted o give us one set along with the game, then another set with more DLC additions ... but it's all rumored so I wouldn't trust these news, just thought I would share it incase you didn't read it ;)

For me these additional endings will not make any difference if there still won't be any sensible impact of our choices in the end like different cinematics, higher - lower casualities among the fleet etc. instead we can choose what color the beam will be or if Joker gets flashy green robot eyes  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 26, 2012, 02:46:21 PM
Yeah, Bioware's going to "fix" the ending.  I almost want them to do what Gainax did with Evangelion when people complained about that show's ending(including even sending death threats): make the ending so no matter what you do EVERYONE DIES! :evil:

Just playing through the Horizon mission and we just found that Cerberus is monkeying around with Reaper technology and Garrus says, "Nothing good ever came from Reaper tech."  Weren't the Mass Relays Reaper tech? :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 26, 2012, 03:05:34 PM
I'm reading stuff about endings and I'm surprised to read that in the red ending Shepard lives  :eek that is the biggest horse crap I've ever read... seriously, would it be possible for a man dressed with only torn shirt and trousers to survive a blast from that exploding 'thing' he just shot then survive even bigger blast from exploding citadel on which he stood ??? if that's not enough then he would most definitely NOT survive orbital freefall from hugeass explosion.

Most likely the first explosion killed him or even disintegrated ... if not then citadel explosiond efinitely killed him.

when I said that at Bioware forums people were ready to kill me for heresy but it's really silly idea to think Shep could survive any ending (all ended with citadel going KABOOM)

the N7 dogtags could be anyones, I even remember Vega getting N7 commendation after we encourage him to join N7 program, my guess would be it is him we see briefly at the end, whatsmore person lying at the end has parts of a armor chestplate still on him, Shep was without armor at the end (dunno why, if reaper laser hit him then I guess armor wouldn't be much of help and if it vaporized then so would the guy who's been wearing it :P)

just felt I would share my nerdy thoughts  :funny
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mario on March 26, 2012, 03:24:28 PM
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Most likely the first explosion killed him or even disintegrated ... if not then citadel explosiond efinitely killed him.

when I said that at Bioware forums people were ready to kill me for heresy but it's really silly idea to think Shep could survive any ending (all ended with citadel going KABOOM)

So, Bones, where's the end of that 'I want to kill Bones' line? One more person wants to stand it in :P

Seriously, they're changing the ending? It's more likely that they're going to tweak somethings here and there. It's too expensive to change the whole ending, as much as I'd want to see a new one. It's time consuming, they'd probably need to hire all the actors to record additional lines of dialogue, spend a lot of development time... Too much work for paid DLC with little profit. It's more logical to see a tweaked ending.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: KrrKs on March 26, 2012, 03:58:13 PM
Well, if the Rumor/Theories are true, then everything after you get shot by the Harbinger is just a dream or an Indoctrination Fantasy, and maybe
Bioware planned it that way from the beginning. Thats why you see the suppose Shepard in grey rubble.

If that would be true, they either delivered the Game without a proper ending because they did not have enough time ( Eventhough releasing a bit later with an ending would not have been that bad Imho),
OR they go totally mad and want to charge additional 5 - 10 ? f?r the "Real End DLC".

About Vega, didn't he say he got the N7 invitation just before the Invasion, and N- Program was unreachable due to the war?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 26, 2012, 04:46:16 PM
Well, if the Rumor/Theories are true, then everything after you get shot by the Harbinger is just a dream or an Indoctrination Fantasy, and maybe
Bioware planned it that way from the beginning. Thats why you see the suppose Shepard in grey rubble.

If that would be true, they either delivered the Game without a proper ending because they did not have enough time ( Eventhough releasing a bit later with an ending would not have been that bad Imho),
OR they go totally mad and want to charge additional 5 - 10 ? f?r the "Real End DLC".

About Vega, didn't he say he got the N7 invitation just before the Invasion, and N- Program was unreachable due to the war?

Yes, you might be right about Vega, forgot this small detail :P

oh and yes, you can kill me now for heresy, go ahed, shoot (cookies)  :funny
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on March 26, 2012, 05:12:05 PM
Yes, you might be right about Vega, forgot this small detail :P

oh and yes, you can kill me now for heresy, go ahed, shoot (cookies)  :funny

(http://www.eliteukforces.info/images/gallery/misc/british-army-snipers.jpg)

Give me a sec Bones, just lining you up nice and tight  :evil:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 27, 2012, 09:45:14 AM
Fine ! I'll just shut my mouth and sit down  :funny
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Mario on March 27, 2012, 04:11:05 PM
Fine ! I'll just shut my mouth and sit down  :funny

As it should be  :D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 27, 2012, 08:16:28 PM
Just did the synthesis ending.  Given the choices I've made throughout ME2 and 3, I don't think that either of the other choices work for me.  Destroying all synthetics, while that would eliminate the reapers, would also kill EDI and the geth.  I personally wouldn't feel right doing that considering that Shep helps both of them gain a sense of self and individuality.  Sentencing them to death just doesn't feel right.  As for controlling the reapers...that doesn't seem like the option for me either.  Synthesis seems the most likely to give a chance for lasting peace.  And in my opinion, that's the only option that doesn't screw the galaxy when the Mass Relays blow up.  Working together, I could see the organics and synthetics rebuilding the relay network.  As for the Normandy's fate...she didn't seem too badly beat up on landing.  Probably Joker's fine touch.  And assuming the entire crew survives, then I can't think of any reason that they couldn't get the ship up and going again.  Not to mention that if the Normandy were wrecked beyond all possibility of repair, EDI would be screwed anyways.

And Shep?  I don't understand how the only endings where Shepard survives are destruction endings.  If you destroy all synthetic life, then that would definitely kill Shepard since he/she is at least partly synthetic thanks to the Lazarus Project.  Personally, I am a bit curious about my squadmates.  Though the whole thing during the charge towards the beam seemed a bit too...convenient.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 28, 2012, 01:48:20 AM
Just did the synthesis ending.  Given the choices I've made throughout ME2 and 3, I don't think that either of the other choices work for me.  Destroying all synthetics, while that would eliminate the reapers, would also kill EDI and the geth.  I personally wouldn't feel right doing that considering that Shep helps both of them gain a sense of self and individuality.  Sentencing them to death just doesn't feel right.  As for controlling the reapers...that doesn't seem like the option for me either.  Synthesis seems the most likely to give a chance for lasting peace.  And in my opinion, that's the only option that doesn't screw the galaxy when the Mass Relays blow up.  Working together, I could see the organics and synthetics rebuilding the relay network.  As for the Normandy's fate...she didn't seem too badly beat up on landing.  Probably Joker's fine touch.  And assuming the entire crew survives, then I can't think of any reason that they couldn't get the ship up and going again.  Not to mention that if the Normandy were wrecked beyond all possibility of repair, EDI would be screwed anyways.

And Shep?  I don't understand how the only endings where Shepard survives are destruction endings.  If you destroy all synthetic life, then that would definitely kill Shepard since he/she is at least partly synthetic thanks to the Lazarus Project.  Personally, I am a bit curious about my squadmates.  Though the whole thing during the charge towards the beam seemed a bit too...convenient.

Now I remember that creepy kid warned Shepard that he will die too upon destroying all synthetics as he is also partly synthetic so it doesn't make any sense at all even more (yes kids that means I was right :D ).My second playthrough is on the way, I'm aiming for total paragon (hard but might get it right) and 5000 war assets, then I'm gonna charge again and see how dialog with TIM & Anderson turns out, I heard that if you have 5000 WA, and you can either renegade or paragon TIM on citadel throughout whole dialog scene, you can save Anderson and have a clearer ending (whatever that means) although I don;t see the point of saving Anderson if everything blows up anyway  :idk:

See ... this ending is awesome... for one playthrough ... then after second, you start doublecheking if you did it right, then you search the net just to find out everything leads to the same ending ... replayability suffers awfully. It's kinda like watching Titanic, hoping this time Thunderbirds will come and rescue poor Jack and all the passengers  :lostit:

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on March 28, 2012, 08:12:26 AM
Anderson was supposed to be killed by TIM? :lostit:
[In my play-through
Spoiler: show
I was the one who shot Anderson (under reaper influence not by choice) but TIM went bonkers shortly after and shot himself.  Anderson then succumbs to his wounds a few mins later when you both sit down to enjoy the view.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 28, 2012, 06:37:03 PM
Anderson was supposed to be killed by TIM? :lostit:
[In my play-through
Spoiler: show
I was the one who shot Anderson (under reaper influence not by choice) but TIM went bonkers shortly after and shot himself.  Anderson then succumbs to his wounds a few mins later when you both sit down to enjoy the view.


Same here.  But if you don't convince him to shoot himself, he finishes Anderson himself.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 29, 2012, 01:51:57 AM
When I played, renegade action was available which allowed me to shot TIM, but he shots Anderson first, then I shot - I was talking about this shot, not the one when Shepard is being controlled by TIM and shots Anderson... but I guess it's no use if he bleeds out minutes later anyway ... damn I hate this about ME3 ending, you can?t make and difference, it's a bit too linear... still it's better than 'everyone lives happily ever after' ending :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 29, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
When I played, renegade action was available which allowed me to shot TIM, but he shots Anderson first, then I shot - I was talking about this shot, not the one when Shepard is being controlled by TIM and shots Anderson... but I guess it's no use if he bleeds out minutes later anyway ... damn I hate this about ME3 ending, you canąt make and difference, it's a bit too linear... still it's better than 'everyone lives happily ever after' ending :P

I'm going to be perfectly frank here.  There was absolutely NO WAY IN HELL that ANYONE was going to be satisfied with ME3's ending.  Even if there was "perfect" closure, someone would gripe and bitch and moan about something.  I fully expected Shepard to die to save the galaxy from the reapers.  And I have to agree with Bones, I don't think there's any way he or she could have survived unless that last section of the game was in Shepard's dying mind.  In which case, he or she is dying anyways.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: KrrKs on March 29, 2012, 08:40:57 AM
You are right, there was/is no way for a "please everyone" or a "live happy ever after"  Ending.
And considering there seem to be some who are not satisfied with Thanes death, there really were absurdly high expectations (I think, how they ended him was the best way possible).
But Still, the (current?) End just doesn't fit to the rest of the game in such an extreme way that it is hard for me to believe it was intended that way.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 29, 2012, 12:09:36 PM
Thane was going to die and it was going to be either he dies in bed completely peacefully, or he goes out like the badass he is.  Personally I feel that his death was worthwhile.  Not to mention Shepard gets Kai Leng back for it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on March 29, 2012, 12:16:08 PM
Thanes death was excellent, powerful storytelling at its finest.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 29, 2012, 01:05:45 PM
Aye, that be true, Thane's and Mordin's deaths were made in the best possible way, I think I liked Mordin's sacrifice even more, sad but soo well done !

in my first playthrough I've choose wrong dialog option when talking with Legion and Tali, got to say it lead to one of the saddest parts in the game (Quarian fleet obliterated by Geth, Tali commits suicide)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on March 29, 2012, 01:12:49 PM
in my first playthrough I've choose wrong dialog option when talking with Legion and Tali, got to say it lead to one of the saddest parts in the game (Quarian fleet obliterated by Geth, Tali commits suicide)

Oh man that must have been the most lowest point in the game apart from the "ending".
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 29, 2012, 01:24:25 PM
Aye, that be true, Thane's and Mordin's deaths were made in the best possible way, I think I liked Mordin's sacrifice even more, sad but soo well done !

in my first playthrough I've choose wrong dialog option when talking with Legion and Tali, got to say it lead to one of the saddest parts in the game (Quarian fleet obliterated by Geth, Tali commits suicide)

Ouch.  Luckily I had the option to rally the fleet and make peace between the two races.  If I hadn't had the option, I would have saved the quarians over the geth.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 29, 2012, 02:28:28 PM
Hehe luckily I had my game quicksaved at the reaper chase so I could fix my choice to see both Quarians and Geth united :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 30, 2012, 01:08:26 AM
The only reason I've seen that cutscene was because I watched it on YouTube.  I don't think I could have made that decision twice, to completely ignore the Quarians, not after what all Tali had done for the Normandy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on March 31, 2012, 11:46:37 AM
The only part that really hit me was legions death.  I united the quarians and the geth but legion had to sacrifice himself.
The only time I have ever shed a tear over a game!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 31, 2012, 12:32:33 PM
Yeah, Legion dies no matter what.  Even if you'd turned him over to Cerberus, you end up having to kill him at Cerberus HQ.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 31, 2012, 05:04:18 PM
Same with Mordin, no matter if you hold the info about Salarian deception about the cure or tell about it at the beginning, Mordin dies.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 31, 2012, 05:18:36 PM
Same with Mordin, no matter if you hold the info about Salarian deception about the cure or tell about it at the beginning, Mordin dies.

Wrong.  You CAN save Mordin.  You just convince him to delay curing the genophage for now if your renegade is high enough, but this will eventually lead to Wrex finding out and withdrawing krogan support, and then Wrex attacks Shepard, leading to his death.  Alternately, if Wrex was killed, Maelon's data wasn't saved, Eve dies, and the genophage cure was sabotaged, you get Mordin to live, get salarian support, and krogan support under Urdnot Wreav.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on March 31, 2012, 05:34:55 PM
One way or another got kill someone to get it done. I like it that way, makes you double think the choice
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 31, 2012, 05:45:43 PM
Indeed, and while I hate that Mordin had to die, I feel like it was the best outcome.  Even for him.  He was at peace with himself at the end.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on April 02, 2012, 08:09:27 AM
The very model of a scientist Salarian.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 03, 2012, 07:13:40 PM
I feel kinda bad for Joker.  He falls in love with a robotic body that, even if it is "fully functional" as Data might say...he'd probably be in sickbay for a month afterwards.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Aeries on April 03, 2012, 07:27:06 PM
I feel kinda bad for Joker.  He falls in love with a robotic body that, even if it is "fully functional" as Data might say...he'd probably be in sickbay for a month afterwards.

But with all that cybernetic "umph", surely it would be worth it! ;)

One thing that really bugs me about ME:3 is that you never do get to see the Alliance SR-2 fully fixed up and shiny like she was in ME:2. :(
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 03, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
True.  The Alliance hadn't quite finished refitting the SR-2 before the Reapers attack.  But at least all of her primary systems were intact and not scheduled to be installed on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 04, 2012, 03:26:23 AM
I just found something funny, after disabling Geth server on Rannoch via jumping into Geth consensus we are asked by some crew members while on Normandy, if we are sure this is all for real ? Joker even asks Shepard if he's certain he isn't trapped in virtual reality of Geth right now  :lostit: I wonder if it was done for purpose to make us think about the ending even more :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on April 04, 2012, 03:54:57 AM
I sure hope not, that would be the cheapest rip off of Total Recall ever.  :funny
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 04, 2012, 04:01:38 AM
Well, there is the indoctrination theory...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 04, 2012, 04:10:07 AM
I sure hope not, that would be the cheapest rip off of Total Recall ever.  :funny

You know it was the first title that came to my mind when I heard Joker saying that :D must be another dialog easter egg :P

Yeah there is but then what would be the point of showing us the stargazer with kid scene at the end ? if whole ending was just an indoctination halucination then all that happened wouldn't be true

... but we can also think about it like this :

Shepard gets blasted by Harbinger, whole Citadel scene with TIM and creepy kid is only in Shepards head, tampered with Reaper indoctrination.

What if after Shepard is down, fleet gets pwnd really hard and is ordered to retreat, which would explain why Joker flew Normandy through the Relay, maybe Reapers succeded and the Normandy was all that was left when it crashed on planet, Reapers would never find them because there was no tech or advanced civilisation on the planet (Normandy does not count because we must presume the ship was way too damaged to be functional).

So maybe the cycle was successful for Reapers...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on April 04, 2012, 04:19:11 AM
You know it was the first title that came to my mind when I heard Joker saying that :D must be another dialog easter egg :P

Like the rest, there sure are quite a few.

@ Shadow, the Indoctrination theroy is plausable and I hope it is true, It would have been better if war assests did something but what can you do.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Aeries on April 04, 2012, 11:01:33 AM
@ Shadow, the Indoctrination theroy is plausable and I hope it is true, It would have been better if war assests did something but what can you do.

It is; it's the only logical conclusion Bioware could have used with an ending like that. Additionally, it leaves the community with an open-ended world to develop fan-work in. I'd go so far as to call the indoctrination theory a fact, because it's exactly what I'd have done in their position.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Killallewoks on April 04, 2012, 11:25:03 AM
It is; it's the only logical conclusion Bioware could have used with an ending like that. Additionally, it leaves the community with an open-ended world to develop fan-work in. I'd go so far as to call the indoctrination theory a fact, because it's exactly what I'd have done in their position.

I knew I was being indoctrinated as soon the wierd blurry stuff started with TIM and Anderson, neither of them were there in reality. The shooting of Anderson was a symbollic atempt at discourging the destruction of the Reapers. The death of TIM was to not allow the control one as the cycle would end and the reapers purpose ended. Synthesis represented the death of everyone, the merging of Organic and machine the very thing the Reapers wanted to achieve. It was a mental battle one not screwing with Shepard but the player itself.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 04, 2012, 12:45:43 PM
But even without the idea of Shep being indoctrinated(which I feel is downright depressing, no matter how logical it is)...I think the only ending that really leaves itself to expansion is the synthesis ending.  The control ending, maybe, but I doubt that would work forever.  But in the synthesis ending, peace would be total, and with the help of the Reapers, they could likely rebuild the Mass Relay network.  In the destruction ending, they just lose way too many possible resources.

And personally, I think that the Normandy could get back on her feet in any of the endings as long as the crew survived.  The ship looked more or less intact, just a bit of scarring on the hull.  Hardly qualifies as the worst crash landing ever.  After all, it's Joker flying the ship, not Deanna Troi. :funny
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 04, 2012, 03:28:14 PM
For me it was a mentality play from Bioware, Paragon action - Control the Reapers was in fact the worst ending because you can clearly see it only in this ending that the kid is smiling when you choose it (the kid represents the Reapers) so we can presume Shepard fails to control them as soon as the game ends). Also we can se TIM in this ending prelude because he wanted to control Reapers from the very beginnig.

Destroy the Reapers would serve the paragon ending as we can clearly see Anderson presenting the best option for US (not the U.S. but us :P ) throughout whole ME we wanted only one thing - stop the Reapers, this option is just what we wanted to do and I think bioware showed the N7 guy who is presumably Shepard to be barely alive at the very end, he resisted the Reaper indoctrination... at this point something must have happened that stopped Reapers (maybe the Crucible fired, while it was unable to do so when Shepard was indoctrinated in both Control and Synthesis ending). If we listened to Zaed, a person stubborn enough can live through everything...

Synthesis is for me kind of lie against Shepard to make him think he is doing everything right but infact he's killing all organic life with Synthetics ( just look what cybernetics could do to Shepard - Overlords intrusion, Reaper intrusion on many ocasions) for me it is like add Reaper code to humans and make them became Reapers in close future...

Normand lost her FTL drive along with FTL engines and most likely tantalus core, we can clearly see both seconday and primary engines mounted on wings explode and fly apart from the ship... it's only Bioware's lazyness to show us perfectly intact model with only skin scares to hull... in fact the ship should be ripped in half without any signs of FTL or sublight drive ... so the normandy crew is pretty much stranded which was explained with stargazer scene...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Aeries on April 04, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
But even without the idea of Shep being indoctrinated(which I feel is downright depressing, no matter how logical it is)...I think the only ending that really leaves itself to expansion is the synthesis ending.  The control ending, maybe, but I doubt that would work forever.  But in the synthesis ending, peace would be total, and with the help of the Reapers, they could likely rebuild the Mass Relay network.  In the destruction ending, they just lose way too many possible resources.

And personally, I think that the Normandy could get back on her feet in any of the endings as long as the crew survived.  The ship looked more or less intact, just a bit of scarring on the hull.  Hardly qualifies as the worst crash landing ever.  After all, it's Joker flying the ship, not Deanna Troi. :funny

She had her engines torn off her hull like a fly's wings, how is she gonna fly again when half her hull needs to be rebuilt...?  :P

Also, i would have to disagree and say that the reaper destruction ending leaves the best possibility for expansion; with the mass effect relay network gone, new eezo cores need to be built for more effective ftl travel; if written well enough, one could orchestrate everything from re-encountering other races to interracial wars and etc etc. The reaper synthesis ending would lead to the galaxy being indoctrinated and thus, nothing to build from... sucky poop.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 04, 2012, 03:52:27 PM
Sorry, I just can't justify the destruction endings to myself.  Unless the DLC ending changes the outcome, I'm taking it at face value, and the destruction endings would kill EDI and the geth in addition to the reapers.  Considering that Shepard helped both EDI and the geth become fully sentient beings, I consider that to be unacceptable losses.

And I just rewatched the synthesis ending.  Normandy's engines don't get ripped off in that one, whereas they do in the control and destruction endings.  I don't know why that is, but there you go.  I went with synthesis, therefore my Shep's Normandy could survive.  Besides, Normandy has a Scottish engineer, and if Scotty has taught us anything, it's that a Scottish engineer is the best asset to have on any space-faring vessel.

Basically, without the reapers to help rebuild the relays(since I'm sure I remember that they had a hand in the creation of them in the first place), the galaxy is screwed.  To put it in Star Trek terms, they went from having a transwarp network to everywhere in the galaxy to being stuck with ships with standard warp drives.  Humanity would be fine, they're within striking distance of home, as are the krogan.  The rest of the fleet though, they're like poor Voyager, stranded very far from home.  Frankly, if I were in the shoes of the quarians and asari, I'd be mighty pissed at humanity for stranding them so far from home.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on April 05, 2012, 10:29:57 AM
The asari would be ok. They can eat and drink pretty much anything we can.  It's the Turians and the Quarians I'd be feeling sorry for what with them being dextros unable to eat or drink any of our foodstuffs.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 05, 2012, 01:00:10 PM
Bioware announces Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut DLC coming this summer.  The best part?  It's FREE.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/122/1222401p1.html
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 05, 2012, 02:55:49 PM
hahaha they admit it ! it's not worthy of charging money for it  :evil:

j/k lol

That's great news I guess, I wonder if they'll care to answer some questions in it and maybe throw in missions like retaking Omega
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 05, 2012, 04:25:02 PM
Free DLC is always good.  As long as you get it before April.

I just think the galaxy deserves a happy ending.  Couldn't care less about Shep, I figured he or she'd sacrifice themselves to save humanity.

EDIT: A buddy of mine had a good idea about the end of ME3 and why the Normandy is fleeing Earth.  He thinks that Shepard pulls himself up sometime like an hour or so after the reaper blast hits and the Normandy picked up the crew and tried to escape because the battle is going terribly.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 18, 2012, 06:04:13 AM
Free DLC is always good.  As long as you get it before April.

I just think the galaxy deserves a happy ending.  Couldn't care less about Shep, I figured he or she'd sacrifice themselves to save humanity.

EDIT: A buddy of mine had a good idea about the end of ME3 and why the Normandy is fleeing Earth.  He thinks that Shepard pulls himself up sometime like an hour or so after the reaper blast hits and the Normandy picked up the crew and tried to escape because the battle is going terribly.

Exactly my thoughts, Hacket might have ordered the fleet to retreat and leave only few ships to hold off reapers from the crucible...

there is too many 'but' tho, I doubt Joker would take retreat order so easily, so would Normandy crew, second thing is that Hacket knew it's a win-or-die scenario so I doubt he would order fleet to retreat unless the fleet was beaten to dust and only few survivors were still in fight, also there wouldn't be anyone to pick up because we can look closely at our companions lying in the pool of their own blood, even if they survived, wouldn't it be a bit far fetched that Normandy came down to pick them up while moments ago shepard had to perform suicide run to the conduit beam because this was the only way to get closer to it and get past all the reapers around ??? not even a shuttle would be able to land there I would guess ... I hope Bioware will not go cheap on explaining this part as it's now the only thing that seems strange to me (concerning the ending)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 18, 2012, 12:59:53 PM
I don't know.  I sure didn't see Garrus or Ash lying in a pool of their own blood.  They kinda stick out.

Also, the Normandy isn't the Enterprise.  I don't think that she's built for extended engagements.  Joker might not have had much choice, especially after hearing that Hammer went down.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Aeries on April 18, 2012, 01:48:55 PM
Also, the Normandy isn't the Enterprise.

Nope. She's much prettier. >:3
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 18, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
Nope. She's much prettier. >:3

I see what you did  there :bitch:

but yeah, this is the first ship since many years I really liked, both SR-1 and 2 (especially 2) are really sexy looking ships !

Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 18, 2012, 08:32:10 PM
Nope. She's much prettier. >:3

Can't quite agree with you.  As far as sci-fi ships go, the NCC-1701 is still at the top of my list, all three variations of her.  THEN the Normandy SR-1 and 2.  Then the Enterprise-E.  Then Serenity.  Then the rest of the Enterprises. :P

Either way, the Normandy was a stealth recon ship.  And while she does have teeth, she also doesn't have a lot of space for spare ammunition for those big guns Garrus spends all his time calibrating.  And I doubt the Normandy spent the entire fight flying in circles.

Here's an idea.  Harbinger is gone when Shep regains consciousness.  Perhaps your team members watched you get blasted, assumed you were dead, called the Normandy for pick-up of what few survivors were there, and then Joker punched it with Harbinger right behind.  I'd say having Harbinger right on your ass would be worth a Mass jump, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 19, 2012, 02:16:27 AM
Can't quite agree with you.  As far as sci-fi ships go, the NCC-1701 is still at the top of my list, all three variations of her.  THEN the Normandy SR-1 and 2.  Then the Enterprise-E.  Then Serenity.  Then the rest of the Enterprises. :P

Either way, the Normandy was a stealth recon ship.  And while she does have teeth, she also doesn't have a lot of space for spare ammunition for those big guns Garrus spends all his time calibrating.  And I doubt the Normandy spent the entire fight flying in circles.

Here's an idea.  Harbinger is gone when Shep regains consciousness.  Perhaps your team members watched you get blasted, assumed you were dead, called the Normandy for pick-up of what few survivors were there, and then Joker punched it with Harbinger right behind.  I'd say having Harbinger right on your ass would be worth a Mass jump, wouldn't you?

yeah that makes sense.

Serenity ? I googled the ship and it lead me to a tv series - Firefly, and amovie - Serenity. Now my question is - is it more like Andromeda or B5 or any other sci-fi series ?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 19, 2012, 02:43:29 AM
Firefly is a sci-fi/western series created by Joss Whedon that only ran for 11 out of 14 episodes on Fox.  Fox didn't show much faith in the show, giving it a crummy time slot, hurting the show's ratings, and then axing it early.  It's not like Andromeda or B5 to me, but then I haven't seen too much of those.  It's a small ship with a small crew with small problems.  Kind of the polar opposite of the Normandy or Enterprise.  It's definitely one of my favorite sci-fi shows/movies, so I say give it a watch.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 19, 2012, 05:12:48 AM
Sounds great :) I'll try it then... too bad it's cancelled already, last time I liked SGU, I discovered near the end of the 2nd season it's been cancelled  :\
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Saquist on April 19, 2012, 09:10:41 PM
I like SR-1 better.  It's design is funcational.
SR-2 is fairly ridiculous with the Engines sliding up the wings which is quite impossible with a delta wing design.  I was glad when ME3 didn't continue that concept.  Now it just looks like a Stream lined 777.  But that's why I like the SR-1 because it looks like a space ship and it's movable parts make more sense.

(Did I say how bad the interior layout of the SR-2 is?)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 20, 2012, 02:34:13 AM
I like SR-1 better.  It's design is funcational.
SR-2 is fairly ridiculous with the Engines sliding up the wings which is quite impossible with a delta wing design.  I was glad when ME3 didn't continue that concept.  Now it just looks like a Stream lined 777.  But that's why I like the SR-1 because it looks like a space ship and it's movable parts make more sense.

(Did I say how bad the interior layout of the SR-2 is?)

Well, SR-2 is supposed to be civilian ship and it indeed look like a futuristic airplane, while I liked the interiors in ME 2, ME3 seemed a little bit too much for the overal width... schematic of fail, I quickly made should point out what I mean :P

(http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz16/Bones_mccoy/norm_fail.png)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 20, 2012, 02:47:03 AM
It's a TARDIS!  :funny
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 20, 2012, 04:09:52 PM
it would seem so  :funny
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 20, 2012, 04:14:35 PM
What's sad is that by decreasing the size of that hallway between the little Enterprise-style conference room and the war-room, and by moving the comm room clockwise to about 9o'clock, they wouldn't have had to TARDIS the hell out of the thing.  Either that or the Alliance knows how to stretch space.

Part of me does miss the ME2 interiors.  So much more refined.  The Alliance really did a number on the CIC deck before Shep got back to the Normandy.  Would've been nice if those three engineers you have on board could have finished the refits as the story progressed. :idk:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on April 20, 2012, 04:40:48 PM
What's sad is that by decreasing the size of that hallway between the little Enterprise-style conference room and the war-room, and by moving the comm room clockwise to about 9o'clock, they wouldn't have had to TARDIS the hell out of the thing.  Either that or the Alliance knows how to stretch space.

Part of me does miss the ME2 interiors.  So much more refined.  The Alliance really did a number on the CIC deck before Shep got back to the Normandy.  Would've been nice if those three engineers you have on board could have finished the refits as the story progressed. :idk:

So true :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on April 20, 2012, 08:24:02 PM
Then again, they seemed more worried about whether they would be vaporized or not.  Wusses.

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Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on June 27, 2012, 02:18:43 AM
Okay, it's been a while since this thread has had activity, and I hate double posting, but the Extended Cut came out today.  Here are my impressions.  Warning, SPOILERS!









Still here?  Okay.

Well, I was glad that they showed Joker coming to pick up my team-mates. I was afraid the game'd just kill them off, so I picked my least favorite team-mates, ie. Ashley and James. Lots of small touches, such as Joker being pretty much forced to leave, and the fact that the Normandy's engines don't get ripped to pieces is good in my book. Also, the Mass Relays don't go boom. I really liked that you could question the Catalyst over everything, and the comparison to a "cleansing fire" really put the whole thing in perspective. And the extra epilogue. I grinned when I realized that EDI was narrating it. I loved seeing the Reapers actually helping. I loved seeing that there were signs that all the planets, especially Tuchanka, were being rebuilt. And I loved seeing the little cute baby krogan. And then the memorial wall. FUCK. I knew Liara was going to be devastated by Shepard's loss, but seeing that even EDI was breaking down...damn. And then the Normandy lifting off to fly away into the sunset was bittersweet.  Brief impressions of the other endings: 1) The refusal ending is kind of a big F-you to everything you did.  The Reapers win and the next cycle finds Liara's recordings.  2) The destroy ending shows that there's a bit more hardship that they have to endure and is narrated by Hackett.  It's not as personal.  I don't know if it happens if EDI was your most popular team-mate since they're always safe, but her name is on the memorial wall.  3) The control ending is narrated by the Reaper Collective, near as I can tell.  With Shepard's voice.  The Reapers rebuild everything and then take up the task of protecting everything.  So if anyone ever fucks with the galaxy, nobody needs to worry, they have a fleet of gigantic robot bugs.

All in all...I am so glad to have this game. I loved it even before this, and this confirmed everything I had been surmising.

\Watching the other endings on IGN and getting ads for the Navy narrated by Admiral Anderson. WIN.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: FarShot on June 27, 2012, 04:22:36 AM
SPOILERS

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Comments on your analysis, Shadow.
EDI narrated the synthesis ending because she and Joker represent the union of synthetic and organic.  Hackett narrated the destroy ending because he's the military leader, on a mission to destroy the reapers.  And Shepard narrates the control ending because he was effectively downloaded into the Reapers.  This is how he controls them.  Ironically, this really makes him a shepherd, as he's controlling an entire race basically.

There's a theory that a super high galactic readiness score might make the refusal ending actually worthwhile.  Maybe further DLC will expand on this.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on June 27, 2012, 11:43:23 AM
Refusal ending? didn't realise there was one..
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on June 27, 2012, 12:10:55 PM
It was added with the Extended Cut DLC.  You turn and shoot the Catalyst, then all the Reapers speak through him and say, "SO BE IT."  The Crucible shuts down and the implication is the Reapers bowl over everything and all that's left is Liara's time capsules for the next cycle.

But thanks to the extended cut, I'm now torn between Synthesis(my original choice) and Control.  The original endings didn't quite explain WHAT the Reapers were doing, but the extended version shows that not only do they help rebuild, they become the galaxy's protectors.  And the thought of that is rather awesome.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: FarShot on June 27, 2012, 12:22:27 PM
SPOILER

If you want Shepard to live, might I suggest control?  Picture this:  Make a male version of EDI's body, and Shepard can download into that.  Bingo, Shepard is alive, immortal, in control of all the reapers, and is the ultimate protector of the galaxy. ;)

Plus, no one is forced to do anything.  No turning into a cyborg thanks to an energy wave.  Everyone can stay nice and fleshy.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on June 27, 2012, 12:51:50 PM
Well, in Synthesis, Shep's DNA is in everything, surely a knowledgeable enough scientist could use that.  Plus, no one seemed to be broken up about having been joined with synthetics.  And they still seem to be fleshy, just with a circuit pattern on them now.

Also, baby krogans are apparently adorable.  Who knew.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on June 27, 2012, 01:03:46 PM
Not to mention rebuilds gets much quicker, mass relays were Reaper tech so Reapers won't have much problem refitting them back online, Destruction ending is cool too but it looks even more far fetched than I thought :P I clearly remember Anderson saying the Citadel is not fully repaired after the attack of Sovereign (3 years after that, wards are still beaten) ... I doubt they would repair the relays in next 10 - 20 or even 50 years :P so yeah, Normandy IS still screwed, even tho Joker takes off the planet, he'll just fly until she runs out of juice... then perhaps they are dead :P

but, I have to agree on one thing, these endings should be called 'optimistic endings' if not 'over-optimistic endings' ... not that I don't like em ;)

Oh ... and just because of thiss stupid green circuitry pattern on lads I won't pick synthesis ending ... imagine Sam Fischer lurking in the shadows with his skin glowing like a christmas tree  :picardfacepalm: being unable to hide in the dark is not cool so it's a no go for synthesis ending for me ;)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: FarShot on June 27, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
Shepard's DNA would only allow you to clone him.  His memories aren't there.  In control, Reaper Shep still possesses the memories, so he could continue the romance option and hang out with all his friends.  In destroy, yes his body is still there and alive, but you have to remember, he was seriously f***ed up.  If no one finds him soon, they're going to have to spend years back in Lazarus.

Destroy ending - It's shown that the Normandy can get around a star cluster fairly quickly, so maybe with the element zero core, ships can go faster than light.  Just nothing to make a significant hop across the galaxy without a mass relay.  Perhaps there is a colony they could make it to under their own power.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on June 27, 2012, 01:35:26 PM
All ships can go faster than light, there are several mentions of FTL travel throughout the series.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on June 27, 2012, 02:05:27 PM
Indeed they can (this is even shown in several cinematics like when Normandy runs from the Collector ship or the Cerberus shuttle jumping into FTL after escape from Lazarus station), heck , even flying from system to sytem in each cluster is FTL I guess, you need fuel to travel between systems so I guess FTL is quite limited to traveling around single cluster
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: FarShot on June 27, 2012, 02:22:33 PM
Well, just because a ship jumps off really fast does not make it FTL, I mean, we are talking about the speed of light here, that's pretty fast.

And I said that originally because Bones said the Normandy was screwed in the destroy ending.  If they have FTL then they aren't screwed, it'll just take longer.

So in short, I was countering Bones' initial statement of Normandy being screwed, but then by saying that there is FTL, you both hopped onto my side of the argument.  Guess that means we're all in agreement then. :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on June 27, 2012, 02:52:39 PM
Well, just because a ship jumps off really fast does not make it FTL, I mean, we are talking about the speed of light here, that's pretty fast.

And I said that originally because Bones said the Normandy was screwed in the destroy ending.  If they have FTL then they aren't screwed, it'll just take longer.

So in short, I was countering Bones' initial statement of Normandy being screwed, but then by saying that there is FTL, you both hopped onto my side of the argument.  Guess that means we're all in agreement then. :P
... sort of  :funny
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on June 27, 2012, 03:38:57 PM
That would depend on where the Normandy was when she was kicked out of the Mass Relay jump.

FTL with eezo core=warp drive
Mass Effect Jump=slipstream

After all, with the Mass Relays, travel anywhere in the galaxy is possible.  Whereas with FTL, it'd be slow going.

However Bones, tech like the Relays doesn't just sit there for millennia without needing maintenance.  Therefore, some people in the galaxy have to be able to do some repair work.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: captain_obvious on June 27, 2012, 03:51:35 PM
Hehehe, Shep's DNA in everything :lol: :mindofachild:

I noticed the baby Krogan though!!!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on June 27, 2012, 03:57:00 PM
That would depend on where the Normandy was when she was kicked out of the Mass Relay jump.

FTL with eezo core=warp drive
Mass Effect Jump=slipstream

After all, with the Mass Relays, travel anywhere in the galaxy is possible.  Whereas with FTL, it'd be slow going.

However Bones, tech like the Relays doesn't just sit there for millennia without needing maintenance.  Therefore, some people in the galaxy have to be able to do some repair work.
I see your point, makes sense about the maintenance, afterall the Citadel is also Reaper tech and Asari managed to use it and add to it their own tech, repairing Citadel would require some knowledge of Reaper tech.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: KrrKs on June 27, 2012, 04:52:52 PM
My two cents about the Relay Maintenance: Considering that none of the current Council Species (or associated ones that we know of) were able to manipulate Mass Relays other than using them,
neither were able to build new ones (The protheans from Ilos being the only ones to have build a miniature prototype version); I think it is unlikely that it was maintained by the "normal" galactic Civilisations.
Instead I see 4 possibility's:

 1. MAss Relays don't need Maintenance. -unlikely

 2. They are maintained by the Reapers after every cycle. -could be, but 50k years since the last maintenance is still a dam long time

 3. Maintenance is done by a certain force/species, hidden to most users (or it happens so often, no one notices anymore). Something like the Keepers  do with the citadel. It could be that the Collectors were doing that job since the last cycle.

4. The Relays have automated internal repairing mechanisms, something like repairbots.
-My favourite even though it doesn't explain how the relays get the energy for being active for that long. Considering Eezo needs a Voltage applied to, to build up that mass effect beam, and I don't see any sort of solar panel or something similar on the surface, Relays need to have an internal power source, which most likely runs on some sort of fuel.
Or maybe an singularity, dark energy, quantum fluctuations, zero point energy..., I guess there are some concepts to get power out of thin air in sci-fi. :idk:


About the EC. The whole catalyst part of the Ending still doesn't make any sense. But it is actually half enjoyable now, and I don't get the urge to break my ME3 dvds in half.

The control and Synthesis Endings are still "Space Magic" TM but the new epiloges are well done
The one thing I still miss thou is some kind of KIRK ending (in all capital letters, yes). I mean, you can talk Saren and TIM into shooting themselves, why not that stupid broken Catalyst/Citadell AI. :dontcare:

++Spoiler:


I especially liked how they changed that one plot hole were your squadmembers miraculously teleported to the NORMANDY against the one were said ship just hangs out directly in front of Harbinger for 5 minutes and is totals ignored, while Harbinger is busy shooting anything that might have moved around it.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on June 28, 2012, 03:44:26 AM
Okay, I still don't understand how the Catalyst doesn't make sense.  It's an AI put into place by an ancient race to attempt to broker peace between organics and synthetics, but the Catalyst's programming and abilities left it with only one conclusion.  Harvest the highly advanced races into purely synthetic organisms, absorbing their culture, history, etc. into a higher form.  When the Crucible docked, it contained the energy to open new possibilities for the Catalyst.  But only an organic could set these events in motion because if a synthetic controlled it, then the Reapers would be worthless.  In essence, you could consider Shepard to be the final part of the Catalyst.  Unless you turn and shoot it, of course.

Either way, I am now very torn between Synthesis and Control.  Synthesis, of course, offers the best solution, though I'm of two minds about EDI at the end.  On one hand, I'm happy that she now possesses the emotions that any sentient being has a right to.  On the other, I'm sad that the first real emotion she must come to accept is sadness and grief over the loss of Shepard.  Control has the benefit of not killing synthetics and giving the Milky Way the best defenses anyone could ask for.

But I cannot in good conscience choose the destroy ending.  Yes it kills the Reapers, but also kills the geth and EDI, both of which my Shepard helped gain true sentience.  Perhaps my renegade Shep won't give a crap, but that Shep'll likely side with the quarians anyways.

Also, some digging around in the download for this batch of DLC turned up some dialog referring to a Reaper called Leviathan going rogue.  Next SP DLC? :evil:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: KrrKs on June 28, 2012, 07:52:06 AM
Okay, I still don't understand how the Catalyst doesn't make sense.  It's an AI put into place by an ancient race to attempt to broker peace between organics and synthetics, but the Catalyst's programming and abilities left it with only one conclusion.  Harvest the highly advanced races into purely synthetic organisms, absorbing their culture, history, etc. into a higher form.

The first thing that makes me think that the AI is broke is that you can't preserve a culture by, in essence, killing the people composing said culture and pouring them into a shiny nice metal Hull. (Well, considering it is just an AI and i have seen computer programs doing more stupid things...)

The Catalyst originally said it controlled the reapers, now that was changed to something that sounded like it was part of a reaper hive mind (at least i got it that way) that also doesn't work with my definition of "preserving a culture"

The next thing in what the Catalyst said which made me go  :lostit: : So there was a species which found out that all somewhat sentient Synthetics rebel against their creators, so they build another AI to solve that problem  :hithead:
-... Curse you sudden but inevitable betrayal!

So that are the most stupid things only considering ME3.

But, there was this catalyst AI onboard the citadel the whole time. At the place where the defacto galactic Government sits.
This AI was, without external stimuli, able to get Shepard to the Crucible, meaning it has at least limited knowledge of what happens in, and around Citadel, so it most likely had enough available data to judge the civilisational standart in the galaxy.
-So why was Sovereign left behind as a Scout?

We have seen that the Catalyst can control at least some Citadel facilities, like that lift.
-So why did it not activate the Citadel Relay in ME1?
  Either it does not have that control, which is a design fault the Reapers should have been able to overcome during the millennia,
 Or it just didn't want to/ had better things to do, like, ...watching Elcor Shakespeare... or something.

Heck, I don't know. I guess the whole AI thing just doesn't work for me.

Oh, and about the Synthesis Ending (That was my original Choice, too): At first it was the lesser of three evils, now I'm not sure if it is the best, or actually the worst outcome. The new explanation to synthesis sounded more like the Catalyst uses your DNA profile to be able to instantly indoctrinate everyone in the Galaxy.  :roll

The new Control ending came out way better than before (well, all of the endings came out way better than what i expected, especially considering the MAss Relays don't explode any more)
What i still don'T like about it is, that the whole game you argue against TIM and the control option (there isn't even an Option to say "maybe it could work"),
And then suddenly you go: "Oh, he was right after all, well then..."
It also gives me a headache thinking about what the new, undead Reaper Shepard would do in a hypothetical far future, where most Reapers are destroyed due to whatever circumstances.

Destroy works surprisingly well for any Shepard who killed the Geth, or being Renegade and just don't caring about them.
If it weren't for the Geth it easily would be the best ending in my book.

The new Refusal ending is also rather good Imho. I mean, you don't shoot a Hologram and expect it to die, do you?.

But what I can't stress enough, even though there are still many problems -The new epilogues really changed my perception of the Ending(s),
And ME is finally fun playing again  :dance
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on June 28, 2012, 10:46:41 AM
Quote
So why was Sovereign left behind as a Scout?

We have seen that the Catalyst can control at least some Citadel facilities, like that lift.
-So why did it not activate the Citadel Relay in ME1?
Citadel was sabotaged by Protheans as Vigil said in ME1, last remnants of Prothean scientists from Ilos developed some kind of program that rewrites Keepers behavior to prevent them from opening the Citadel relay.

Sovereign was left behind incase of any pronlems with opening the relay.



Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on June 28, 2012, 11:33:50 AM
Obviously the Catalyst AI was limited in what it could do.  And I don't see how the Synthesis ending is indoctrinating anyone.  Unless you think Shep indoctrinates them.  The Catalyst really doesn't do a damn thing but present the options open to you.

And let's be honest here.  This is science fiction.  Leaps in logic are expected.  A lot.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Bones on June 28, 2012, 12:06:04 PM
I'll just sum it up and say, ME3 finally got nice old fashioned happy ending it deserved :)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on June 28, 2012, 02:10:09 PM
Agreed.  No matter what ending you choose, Shepard becomes the traditional hero and sacrifices himself/herself to save the galaxy.  Unless you have a perfect EMS and choose the Destroy ending, so Shepard takes a breath.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Aeries on June 28, 2012, 10:39:52 PM
I'll just sum it up and say, ME3 finally got nice old fashioned happy ending it deserved :)

I really like the new (ish) endings as well (I chose to indoctrinate the indoctrinators this time rather than blow it all up)... Although, on that note, I've spotted several technical errors in their DLC that could have been addressed (Nothing major, and nothing that caused me to dislike it as a whole).

I really love, too, how this DLC opens up SO many opportunities for post-reaper fanfics. :3
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3
Post by: Shadowknight1 on July 01, 2012, 03:20:14 AM
I really like the new (ish) endings as well (I chose to indoctrinate the indoctrinators this time rather than blow it all up)... Although, on that note, I've spotted several technical errors in their DLC that could have been addressed (Nothing major, and nothing that caused me to dislike it as a whole).

I really love, too, how this DLC opens up SO many opportunities for post-reaper fanfics. :3

Agreed, the previous endings pretty much screwed the crew of the Normandy and as for the rest, we were left wondering.  Plus the Control ending was woefully under-explained originally.  In a way, the Control and Synthesis endings are similar in that the Reapers help the galaxy rebuild and all that, it's just different guiding principles.