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Recreational Forums => Trek Discussion => Films & Shows => Topic started by: gclark03 on July 08, 2008, 02:23:27 PM
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Would we like to see a new Star Trek production set in the 2270s or 80s, during the Klingon War? Personally, I'd prefer a mini-series about a Constitution refit (Ent-A sister ship?) fighting the war in the Neutral Zone, but a Star Trek mini-series has simply never been done before...
Anyway, what do you think about this era? Is it production-worthy in a time period when Star Trek XI is on the horizon and prequels are in vogue anyway?
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Does it matter, really?
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I would like to see straight to TV/DVD movies like BSG has and is doing. It would be great to see Enterprise B and C adventures and sort of fill in some gaps. Also how about the seeing the adventures of the Stargazer?
There is alot of scope here and we need the fans to be united and to push for something new and what they want to see.
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The problem with prequels in my view, is that that they are not really that interesting. You know that everything has happened already and that everything will end up good.
Some of us, like Sci-fi as a mind expanding drug. Seeing new stuff, realistically (as in not "magically") framed that makes you say "wow, I haven't thought about that. But yes, why not. How would we go abouts it I wonder?" But what prequels do, is that take all this awesome technology and concepts, and they try to handicap it.
I've got no interest of seeing shittier versions of awesome things, I want more awesome things! It almost as if Trek is afraid of prodding into the future any more.
"Look, we have phasers, this is a story of a ship with shittier phasers!"
"Look, we have torpedoes, this is a story of a ship with shittier torpedoes!"
"Look, we have tractor beams, oh well, we don't have those any more"
Frankly, from TOS we went to TNG, and from TNG clearly we must go into a Next Next Generation series.
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The difference with that era, during the war that we have almost no canon about between TOS and STIII, is that it doesn't have to end well for the main ship and its characters. This is why a miniseries would be best, especially one that covers the destruction of the ship with all hands aboard at the hands of the Klingons.
No temporal deus ex machina would be helpful in a miniseries, as there's no obligation to write years' worth of episodes and become more desperate for interesting plots as time goes on.
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the problem with an in-between series is, as Senator said, they try to take all this kick ass stuff, then dumb it down to fit the past. The huge gap in canon would be a great thing to be filled, but unfortunatley there doesn't seem to be anyone in showbiz who can take something that is already good and resist making it into their own interpretation/
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We are already getting a Prequel next year. So, let's see how this works out and leave it at that for now, mmkay? Great, moving on.
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Yeah, I agree with you Blaxxer. If people enjoy "historical" stories (pre-nemesis), they should read some of the books. I think that even if STXI is excellent and is universally received, sooner or later the only direction for Star Trek will be forward. The future. That is what it is supposed to be about, after all...
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Wait...that reminds me...NOBODY said the Borg were completely dead, and what if they recovered after the destruction of their Unimatrix?
I could easily imagine a new, darker miniseries, set in the late 24th century, about the Borg steamrolling the Alpha Quadrant completely. (Why don't I write this?)
Anyway, the thread as it was has been answered, for the most part. Is the discussion worth continuing?
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Yeah, but if they were to do something like that, the Borg have gotta change... I mean, they go on and on about evolving in the pursuit of perfection, yet they always send just one cube to assimilate the Alpha Quadrant, and they are pretty much wimpy since Starfleet has developed weapons that can destroy them rather easily. Compare Wolf 359 with the 001 Battle in First Contact. That Cube took a few ships down, but the Enterprise showed up and easily kicked the crap out of it. If you've read the TNG Relaunch novel "Before Dishonor", the borg cube in it could simply crash into a ship and "absorb" it mid-flight. Maybe assimilate people with no machinery evident to tip off the Federation doctors. A much sneakier, efficient Borg if you will.
"The collective must evolve"
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Compare Wolf 359 with the 001 Battle in First Contact. That Cube took a few ships down, but the Enterprise showed up and easily kicked the crap out of it.
Correction, I'd hardly call 500 ships "a few".
"...fought a four day running battle all the way to Earth."
"By the time the cube reached Earth some three hundred and twenty ships(out of initial 500) had been lost, most of them with all hands."
From DITL
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Was it in yellow?
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No, it is DITL speculation
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Therefor not canon, so the original comment is valid.
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Either way the fleet was atleast 3 times the size of Wolf 359 with around 75-85% loses by the end.
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And how actually did you come by this information?
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DITL, I suppose. which is fortunately non-canon, being full of fanon and all that funny jazz.
You want canon info? Go to Memory Alpha.
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Well since re-imagining is the hotest thing in Hollywood we will soon see a re-imagined version of TNG
David Tenant as Picard?
Dakota Fanning as Winona Crusher (like battlestar turn Wesley into a girl)?
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Dakota Fanning as Winona Crusher (like battlestar turn Wesley into a girl)?
So crusher's kid is a lesbian... I'm sure there won't be any argument from some people... xD
In any case, I [for one] really can't wait to see this new movie coming out... as a prequel, despite some aesthetic 'issues' I may have with it, it doesn't look too bad... I mean, Sulu pulls out a Katana! :D So let's watch that one THEN have the speculation and ideas. :3
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In any case, I [for one] really can't wait to see this new movie coming out... as a prequel, despite some aesthetic 'issues' I may have with it, it doesn't look too bad... I mean, Sulu pulls out a Katana! :D So let's watch that one THEN have the speculation and ideas. :3
QFT.
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I see no problems with having a miniseries about a TMP era ship...the idea would appeal to folks like me who jumped in to Star Trek when the movies were in full swing and it still had that distinct Nick Meyer feel that made them so interesting to watch.
Having Diane Carey involved would help give the show a military edge and probably give us a interesting ship and crew (read Ship of the line). She has the ability as a writer to make the star trek world appeal to the action and military crowd without forgetting the roots that gene set out.
I think a show about a Miranda class or some other smaller destroyer size ship would allow for a good set of stories without having to run the series to long...lots of border skirmishes and joining with battle groups to interdict enemy fleets.
Anything to do with the borg would be a terrible idea...the borg are overused and pretty much fanboy crap.
Having a series about 25th century starfleet would be fun but would run in to the same staleness that hurt voyager and even TNG...the romulans, klingons and cardassians are at peace with the federation (more or less) and the dominion is no longer a active or able threat...the borg are probably destroyed or at least a horrible mess (thank god!) so that leaves very little tension to show unless you want another random faction to act up.
TMP era would be the way to go...still at war with almost everybody and the ships and crews had a more military slant.
it worked for BSG...
Mike
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Well, if the USS Rhode Island is being fired upon by Klingons in ST: Voyager Endgame, then its a pretty safe bet that there are tension running high between the Feds and the Klingons (as clearly outlined in STO). And no matter how nice the Romulans may seem, they're always going to have a trick up their sleeve. Cardassia is in ruins. The Gamma quadrant has barely been explored, who knows what enemies might turn up? The Dominion could just sit back and relax, maybe poke the Feds a bit.
And that's all 25th Century.
Problems with a TMP era series is that if there is a noted key member (like a Picard family member), they're going to have to live long enough to do the key things seen in later series. The only way to have a completely free series is to have a new ship, new crew, new areas to explore. I like the idea of Romulan TMP ships though since all the TMP films focused mainly on the Klingons.
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I just think that screenwriters would have a easier time digging up stories from a era that we know little about beyond the adventures of Kirk and the gang.
I still think that the powers that be at paramount missed a great opportunity for a Excelsior series, it could have really given us a taste of post VI tensions with the new khitomer treaty with the klingons and allowed for some exploration that would connect to things that happened in next gen.
If I could write a series outline I would start it with a few basic ideas.
- A medium sized destroyer type starship assigned to a area of space near the klingon or romulan border.
- A crew that acts both professional (standing at attention, respecting proper military traditions) and familier (have been on the same ship for a long time)
- The captain would not be starfleets favored son...he/she would be recieve no special treatment. He/she would also not be well known.
- there would be no grand scheme or conspiracy...they would simply be on a mission and any encounter would be routine (even if it is combat).
I think this would make for better flexibility with writing good character moments and prevent the alien of the week syndrome that hurt voyager and enterprise so badly. it would also allow for a consistent threat that could be explored and established.
The romulans would be ideal for this because they are not killers and do not favor action without planning...one could establish a "nemesis" for the crew that can be fleshed out as much as the starfleet captain...even the enemy crew could be explored!
I think that would make for a interesting Star Trek show.
Mike
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I favor the TMP Era Series but what would make it more interesting would be a series of episodes that would explore the point of view of the other major powers after STVI.
A mini series showing the point of view of:
The Klingon Empire...renegade houses, rebellion, civil unrest...you know Gen. Changs people...
The Romulan Empire...what plotting and scheming have they are up to since they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar...
Finally The not so perfect Federation what happened to Admiral Cartwrights people...
Yes the so called key players were caught or killed Admiral Cartwright, Romulan Ambassador, and Gen. Chang; but what of the others what orders were issued in preparation for an impending war. Was Admiral Cartwright working with section 31.
So many unanswered questions and a lot of material to work with... 8)
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the basic key for a GOOD story is a simple but elegant plot (might as well be just random missions like TNG or TOS or a group of missions towards somewhere ala Voyager), a few key characters (with key behaviors well noted) and marked relationships among them. like Troi/Riker or Data/Geordi in TNG, Tom/Belanna in Voyager or Quark/Odo in DS9.
the rest (time frame, enemies, action, technobabble) is relative.
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I'd prefer a story set aboard a Phobos-Class or Miranda-Class starship, set during the middle-to-end of the Federation/Klingon War. There would be occasional dialogue references to known personalities of that era (Spock, Morgan Bateson, Captain Stiles of the Enterprise-B, a young up-and-coming Ensign/Lt. Picard, et al.)