haha yeah, i know,
lets just hope she does'nt go around stealing tricorders :lol:
Chris Hemsworth - 24-year old HemsworthWill play the father of Kirk?
Hang on:I'll bet he's in a flashback sceneQuoteChris Hemsworth - 24-year old HemsworthWill play the father of Kirk?
How old is Kirk going to be? 4? 6? And already an assignment on the Enterprise?
Even Chris Pine is older than that (27)! How is that for believability?
And hell, in true prequel tradition why not do something to drive the old fans away even more and throw jar jar briggs in for good measure?
so you essentially want 60's trek in the 21st century? fail.
heck, be a little open-minded, folks.
Star Trek Survivor : Castaways are stranded on a desert island with Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman and Neelix, The last castaway to withstand these 3 without trying to make a swim for it or commiting suicide wins.
Now now, folks, calm down, please.
You do realize it's JJ Abrams and most of the creative team from LOST and Alias doing this new Trek movie, yes?
Cool, now, apart from me not being able to stand LOST, I'm a big fan of Alias and quite Frankly, Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman have never let me down story-wise.
So, I'm just saying that it would be logical, that if the actor, playing Kirk's father is younger than the actor playing Kirk it will a) be a flashback-scene (very likely since it's not a film for trek-geeks like us) or it will involve some sort of time-travel (yawn).
keep it civil? :lol:
i always keep it civil!, my rants are normally just long winded non-sense, i think there civil, non-civil to me is flaming and swearing and just being an insulting arse, :lol:
Anyway,
From what i remember kirk really never did anything to really piss off the romulans or did anything to effect there progress that would have had a negative effect around 100-200 years into the future,
If anything the klingons would be the most likely to have a reason to take him out..
The whole time travel thing AGAIN, kind of boring, its been done in 2 Feature films already.
A movie set in the past that involves romulans from the future that travel into the past to for some reason kill kirk to benefit themselves in the future?, now THATS an original idea (sarcasm). plus, i recall more than just a similarity from that and the First Contact story line..
A romulan named "nero".. i dont think i have to comment on that,
If this is indeed what the movie turns out like, i will be extremely disapointed
Suppose this "Nero" villain is a descendant,now THAT's good thinking. that's what I'd have used, but not just going in first plane and seeing him say "I'm his son". that would be crap.
check out TrekWeb for a good reliable plot spoiler.
I think JJ and crew will do a good job, based on what i've read.
-The construction and launch of the original and FIRST EnterpriseD*mn right.
well if the latest news, reported leaks and rumours i have been keeping a very close eye on are anything to go buy, this movie is gonna STINK.
I think ill go collect all the recent shit thats been rumoured and do a little update on here :)
but considering the writers strike at the moment he might of decided to put it on hold, certain parts of the movie may need small re-writes for whatever purpose and with the strike on he is unable to do that
Ok Guys,
Here are All the latest Rumoured Story lines and Related Things..
Quinto in Spock Make-up (Gotta love those sneaky photographers)
http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2007/11/12/exclusive-quinto-as-young-spock/#more-271
Harlan Ellison, the original story writer the of TOS episode the movie was to be based off really is'nt happy about him not being notfified or involved.
(This IS true as it was originally posted on his website)
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8266952&an=0&page=0#Post8266952
In other news,
Ben Cross has been Casted as Sarek, in my opinion it will just be weird to see someone else play Sarek
Im also starting to Believe Christopher Pike will have a large role in this film seeing as Kirk, Spock etc will not have command rank but only be crewmen or even cadets.
Here is a small interview with the actor who is playing Captain Pike
http://www.trektoday.com/news/161107_04.shtml
Enjoy
This is An interesting article about JJ Discussing a re-write and allowing fans to have there say about the story
(not sure if its BS or not)
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8288700&an=0&page=0#Post8288700
This is an article from someone who does know the story line of of Trek XI, they have some interesting things to say.
(Once again it could be BS)
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8283039&an=0&page=0#Post8283039
- Music from Generations
- Spocks prologue from ST3
- Old design for enterprise
and none of the "exciting" footage we have been promisedby various sources... no doubt about it being a fake :P
from what i read a while back, the trailer will feature a scene were the enterprise is under construction,
And this movie will be far from canon despite what they said,
A recent article on trektoday.com had an interview with the chick who is encharge of the set design and she said they have totally de-resigned the interior of the enterprise..
If they want to design new things then they should go FORWARD and stop changing what has already been DONE.
This is the message that paramount need to get into their thick heads, and I think the only way they will get that message is if they get poor box office figures, and we are the ones who decide that.
it wouldnt bother me either, plus if we get desperate we still have things likeof gods and menmassive fanwank
Which is not necessarily a bad thing. "TOS" is suppose to take place roughly 250 years from now. You honestly think we'll have 60s-era television sets as computer monitors, and cube-shaped colorful buttons to press? Look at how we have it today, and imagine a future 250 years from now, technology-wise. What would YOU want to see at that time? Externally they don't have to change much, if any... perhaps simply adding more details like windows, or aztecing. Details they were unable to produce during the 60s but likely should've been visible.
i dont know why people are complaining so much about this re-invisioned trek. to be quite fair, i cant stand TOS, Wasnt til i saw TWOK that i actually cared about any of those characters. What the show needs is a complete revival. If that means they create a whole new trek universe, so be it as long as its good. Trek has always shown the possibility of new/parallel universes so why do people always assume just because its not the 60's trek show, but it uses the same characters that it will be bad?
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced despite the lack of imagery- this looks like Gabriel Koerner's Enterprise, which as far as I'm concerned, is the sexiest interpretation of the TOS-era Enterprise that I've yet seen. This will resonate throughout the community, and will bring new interest from fledgling Trekers, that aren't so easily disillusioned with new things.
does anyone think the structure of the enterprise would snap?, (warp pylons, neck/saucer) if it was built on earth?,
considering how thin the neck is and the size/weight of the saucer?,
apart from that, it looks good.
Actually I don't think so, I'm not Trek tech expert but wouldn't those ships be fitted with some kind of force fields reinforcing structural integrity ??? that would make sense to me.
Gabriel Koerner's Enterprise, which as far as I'm concerned, is the sexiest interpretation of the TOS-era Enterprise that I've yet seen.
hmm
that looks very interesting man
I think we should change our opinion about Trek XI
or at least stop being so narrowminded
hmm
that looks very interesting man
I think we should change our opinion about Trek XI
or at least stop being so narrowminded
A bit more open minded maybe!?.
This teaser trailer doesn't really show much at all. :?
true enough, and the franchise definately needs new direction - I just feel that rewriting something that has already been done is not what we should be doing... leave the canon as it is and move onto something new.
you would think they would leave painting the name on the ship untill she was finished being built :lol:
but still, even without the name, i think everybody would know what it was, :lol:
but i have to admit, the detail on the bussard collectors look awesome
you would think they would leave painting the name on the ship untill she was finished being built :lol:
but i have to admit, the detail on the bussard collectors look awesome
you would think they would leave painting the name on the ship untill she was finished being built :lol:
no BSG ripoff for me, thankyouverymuch -.-
We know Gabe was involved on the project. Unconfirmed reports state "It's pretty much his model toned down to more closely resemble the classic Enterprise."
nope, its not in space, its meant to be on earth..
Oh Maybe.... JUST Maybe..... Turn on it's bloody engines?
no BSG ripoff for me, thankyouverymuch -.-
Where has it been confirmed that it's a BSG ripoff?
That's pretty much the classic Connie 40 years worth of SFX later. The original drawings of the Connie from the 60's had Aztecing, but it couldn't be done within their budget. It was finally applied in TMP. As far as the nacelles, that's pretty close to what I'd imagine the Bussards look like powered down.
Abrams said that the Enterprise is pretty much exactly the same on the outside, but visually expanded on. It's basically what the Connie should have looked like back in 1966. They even hired the old fellas from the Original Series who are left to help work on the design. It's even recieved praise from the Okudas.
As far as being a reboot like BSG, that's not the case. It's still set within the current Trek Universe. All it gets is a visual reboot, which personally can be lived with.
EDIT: Oh yeah, this is totally a bastardization of the original design.
(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4347/ent0qt3.jpg)
Aside from the SFX improvements, I can't tell a single design change.
Apparently, the video at that link is unavailable.you mean my link?
the engineering hull, warp pylons, warp engines and bussard collectors more clearly. Their bussards in this movie remind me of the old version lawnmowers :Pfor all who missed it: viral marketing has kicked in: http://www.ncc-1701.com/
PS: Can I suggest that Mark download a mod for the forum that would allow the use of spoiler tags? :Pthats on the list of things-to-do, once SMF 2.0 is out...
for all who missed it: viral marketing has kicked in: http://www.ncc-1701.com/too strange for me...^^
yeah that site is kinda weird,
it says one of the cams in offline but its almost and easter egg kinda thing, if you set it all to 100% and wait for a bit it shows you a sneak peak of the NEW re-designed Enterprise Interior (a corridor atleast)
this is the pic here, just incase you cant figure it out :lol:
yeah that site is kinda weird,
it says one of the cams in offline but its almost and easter egg kinda thing, if you set it all to 100% and wait for a bit it shows you a sneak peak of the NEW re-designed Enterprise Interior (a corridor atleast)
this is the pic here, just incase you cant figure it out :lol:
Is it just me or does that look a lot like a corridor from BSG?
If they want to design new things then they should go FORWARD and stop changing what has already been DONE.
This is the message that paramount need to get into their thick heads, and I think the only way they will get that message is if they get poor box office figures, and we are the ones who decide that.
well its definately not gabes... but those bussards are blatant rip-offs lol
hmm... it kinda looks like a redressed Argo Shuttle from Nemesis...
from the blurb I've heard it sounds like they're using the "alternate universe" thing to get away with this one - if it proves popular at the box office they can then make a sequel based in this alternate universe. That's my take anyway.
Personally I wouldn't even mind that, but 1 film every few years isn't enough - we need a TV series.
I hope that rumour is true and they make a new series.from the blurb I've heard it sounds like they're using the "alternate universe" thing to get away with this one - if it proves popular at the box office they can then make a sequel based in this alternate universe. That's my take anyway.
Personally I wouldn't even mind that, but 1 film every few years isn't enough - we need a TV series.
Rumour has it a tv-series may be made if the movie is a success.
I hope that rumour is true and they make a new series.from the blurb I've heard it sounds like they're using the "alternate universe" thing to get away with this one - if it proves popular at the box office they can then make a sequel based in this alternate universe. That's my take anyway.
Personally I wouldn't even mind that, but 1 film every few years isn't enough - we need a TV series.
Rumour has it a tv-series may be made if the movie is a success.
The new Star Trek film will focus much more on Spock than on the crew of the Enterprise. Also, the adventure takes place on a USS Enterprise commanded by Captain Christopher Pike(!), with Pike and crew being helped out by Kirk but not until much later in the film. It's unknown what ship Kirk would be serving on, but he is not yet a captain at that time. There are battles with the Klingons, and we will get to see the maiden voyage of the original Enterprise: NCC-1701. Finally, none of the film takes place at all at Starfleet Academy.
- The budget on the film is far below $200MM.
- The film will be rated PG-13.
- The release date was pushed back to summer '09 because Paramount really wants it to be a summer blockbuster.
- The intent was to re-invent the Star Trek franchise, and that is why they went all the way back to start at the beginning.
- The script was written with Leonard Nimoy in mind. Nimoy read the script and liked it. It seems he's so pivotal to the story that they would have had a big problem if he hadn't liked it.
- Yes, the USS Enterprise will be assembled in space, although parts of it will be assembled on Earth.
- Orci revealed that originally Steven Spielberg read the script and talked to J.J. Abrams about directing it during a set visit to the Transformers set. Abrams mentioned it to his wife, who also helped talk him into the final decision to take on the potentially scary project.
- Nimoy was there and said that Star Trek 11 is a gigantic movie. It's the biggest film he's ever worked on and that it will be worth waiting for. He also said that Paramount is losing money on this investment now because they really have a lot of faith in the film as a summer blockbuster.
- He also went on to say that he didn't like the death of Kirk in Star Trek: Generations. He resented it. He then went on to say that it would have been damaging to the story to put Shatner in the film.
The story does not just involve time travel. It actually explores alternate timelines, and jumps between them quite a bit.
While from what we've seen so far it seems like they're being very faithful to the original Enterprise design, in an alternate timeline there will be a significantly different version of the NCC-1701. From what I've been told it will be a very kick-ass version - essentially an all-out warship.
Some of the film will also take place in the time of Star Trek: The Next Generation, although I won't say at what point in the film.
And just to piss off Rogue Angel (or Mark in the case of this forum :P)QuoteThe story does not just involve time travel. It actually explores alternate timelines, and jumps between them quite a bit.
While from what we've seen so far it seems like they're being very faithful to the original Enterprise design, in an alternate timeline there will be a significantly different version of the NCC-1701. From what I've been told it will be a very kick-ass version - essentially an all-out warship.
Some of the film will also take place in the time of Star Trek: The Next Generation, although I won't say at what point in the film.
from the blurb I've heard it sounds like they're using the "alternate universe" thing to get away with this one - if it proves popular at the box office they can then make a sequel based in this alternate universe. That's my take anyway.
Nothings confirmed unless stated by JJ Abrams, Kurtzman/Orci and/or Paramount. Until then, all of the above is pure speculations, probably started by people who don't want Trek XI to be made.
Nothings confirmed unless stated by JJ Abrams, Kurtzman/Orci and/or Paramount. Until then, all of the above is pure speculations, probably started by people who don't want Trek XI to be made.
I think he (Darkthunder) doesn't like them, and thus interprets them that way (no offense intended, it's just how it looks to me).Nothings confirmed unless stated by JJ Abrams, Kurtzman/Orci and/or Paramount. Until then, all of the above is pure speculations, probably started by people who don't want Trek XI to be made.I dont see why these speculations are anti XI, its perfectly natural for people to hazard a guess at the story of anticipated films.
He then went on to say that it would have been damaging to the story to put William Shatner in the film.
Well, one could only wish that "Enterprise" could be included in that alternate timeline. It would be nice to find out that the entire series never happened.
But i think personly that it is a pretty wird idea to go back in time, from the Soverign to this ship...
Why not come up with Star Trek Titan, (the ship Riker get's after the battle with the Schimitar)
But thats just the way i think.
Looks kinda nice.. and I just read on internet that there will be 2 more movies after this one!!:)
Because then people would start complaining because they've changed something. Just like people didn't like Enterprise because the characters were more human (like we are today). Many Trek fans don't like change.
Because then people would start complaining because they've changed something. Just like people didn't like Enterprise because the characters were more human (like we are today). Many Trek fans don't like change.
Who's the guy in the forth picture? Is it a klingon?
:wink: Says his name, not race, but you are partially correct. If that is romulan, I don't like it. Should be a klingon, in my opinion.Who's the guy in the forth picture? Is it a klingon?
He even says who it is in his post lol.
:wink: Says his name, not race, but you are partially correct. If that is romulan, I don't like it. Should be a klingon, in my opinion.
would like to see uhura in a normal pic, though
:wink: Says his name, not race, but you are partially correct. If that is romulan, I don't like it. Should be a klingon, in my opinion.
Note: Romulans in TOS looked nothing like the TNG-era Romulans, and it's the TOS look that JJ Abrams is going for (and thus keeping it canon in the process).
would like to see uhura in a normal pic, though
The actress is a cutie
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0757855/
That first guy is supposed to be kirk? Idk about that, personally. I'll reserve my judgements for if/when more info is released, though.
That first guy is supposed to be kirk? Idk about that, personally. I'll reserve my judgements for if/when more info is released, though.
A young and cocky Kirk, pre-TOS... I don't know, Chris Pine in that pic looks cocky enough for me :P
You guys are too obsessed about appearance. What's more important is how well the actors are able to play the parts.
If they do it close to the original actors I have no objections what they look like.
But if they look like clones but do a terrible acting job, it will be a terrible movie.
You guys are too obsessed about appearance. What's more important is how well the actors are able to play the parts.
If they do it close to the original actors I have no objections what they look like.
But if they look like clones but do a terrible acting job, it will be a terrible movie.
it should be Zoe Saldana
remember, klingons also looked like human people until they experimented with genom projects if I'm not completely wrong..
As far as I'm concerned, the only reason the movie is worth watching is for the ship. Prequels are not the right direction. :/ And it's not canon, so that's more... But, if I disregard that it's apparently trek, I'll still watch it, and hopefully enjoy it.
it should be Zoe Saldana
remember, klingons also looked like human people until they experimented with genom projects if I'm not completely wrong..
Actually, it's the other way around, Enterprise explained the whole thing (The genome project was what made them look human)
As far as I'm concerned, the only reason the movie is worth watching is for the ship. Prequels are not the right direction. :/ And it's not canon, so that's more... But, if I disregard that it's apparently trek, I'll still watch it, and hopefully enjoy it.
it should be Zoe Saldana
remember, klingons also looked like human people until they experimented with genom projects if I'm not completely wrong..
Actually, it's the other way around, Enterprise explained the whole thing (The genome project was what made them look human)
As far as I'm concerned, the only reason the movie is worth watching is for the ship. Prequels are not the right direction. :/ And it's not canon, so that's more... But, if I disregard that it's apparently trek, I'll still watch it, and hopefully enjoy it.
How do you figure this is any less canon than any of the other movies?
it should be Zoe Saldana
remember, klingons also looked like human people until they experimented with genom projects if I'm not completely wrong..
Actually, it's the other way around, Enterprise explained the whole thing (The genome project was what made them look human)
As far as I'm concerned, the only reason the movie is worth watching is for the ship. Prequels are not the right direction. :/ And it's not canon, so that's more... But, if I disregard that it's apparently trek, I'll still watch it, and hopefully enjoy it.
How do you figure this is any less canon than any of the other movies?
seconded!!!
I personally hope that uhura lass gets her kit off :)
Heh.
Apparently Scotty is played by Simon Pegg. Correct me if I'm wrong. :DIndeed he is. He should bring a certain... quality... to the role.
hmmmm,.... shouldn't it be Kirk/Spock/Bones instead of Kirk/Spock/Uhura the leading cast?
just thinking....
What? I didn't understand that last post.
I've seen some pics of Karl Urban that really remind me of DeForrest's McCoy, visually anyway. Also, in regards to Nero...one of the writers(i can't remember which one) has been quoted as saying, "We never said Nero was a Romulan," in response to questions about the ears. So, either he is a Romulan and fought Mike Tyson or he's a defector. I'm personally leaning towards a defected human, myself.
Also I found this somewhere.
i didn't know Dr Bashir was in the movie. :lol:I thought the same thing when I saw that.
You know, looking exactly like the character doesn't really matter to me, but that guy is way off from the Scotty of TOS. However, this won't matter if his acting is spot on.
Can anyone say "Galaxy Quest", ?
What I want to know is why Spock is choking the hell out of Kirk?
that ship loooooooooooks really odd... wtf it has 2 dif deflectors?
Oh come on guys you can not determain if a film is going to be total cheese just by looking at a few pics. Dont forget whos behind all of this, JJ Abrams and nt to forget the writers, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman who did a great job writing Transformers and MI3. There is a lot to be excited about here and i think it is going to get Star Trek on its feet again, and to be honest iam glad to see the back of Berman and Bragga. One things for sure this is going to be miles better that enterprise, and for everyone who is worried its going to end up like Thunderbirds or Galaxy Quest, its not because the guys writing this is are massive star trek fans just like the rest of us, so give them a break and give it a chance, thats all iam asking!qft.
And the TOS connie bridge wasn't, for its time? :P Just settle down and wait for the movie, sheesh.wise words.
I don't like how the engineering hull has been moved forward though.
*Throws up*Almost did.? :( but its like George Costanza.? after your first impression of it, you just keep thinking better and better of it!? :| Now, I just think that I only need to see the ship on screen... :)
it's a flippin kitbash. They didn't even bother to match the paint on the saucer with the rest of the thing.Ha ha! The king of kitbashes has spoken.
Don't see how this is modding at all. Or why a repeat thread is getting so much attention.it's a flippin kitbash. They didn't even bother to match the paint on the saucer with the rest of the thing.Ha ha! The king of kitbashes has spoken.
How can something with such sleek smoothness look so much less sexy than a piece of junk like the Millennium Falcon?and I sort of agree.
I can't wait to see it... it's Star Trek. And any trek during this "lean time" is better than no trek at all.
"It's going to blow and suck and nobody will go see it because the ship looks a bit different"
Ship looks almost fan-boyish, sorry to say it.
Ship looks almost fan-boyish, sorry to say it.
of course, the TMP ship had no aft torpedo tubes; I think this one won't either. can't see any at least. it would make sense to at least try adding a tube to the connie facing aft, I guess it was never used, and they remove it for the refit. that's the story of the Constitution Class's three refits. :arms:
this is how it should have looked like, had Abrams thought a little bit more about how it used to look
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/ENTERPRISE-new.jpg
And I hope it is just a trick to throw us off since that is not the ship from the first teaser trailer
this is how it should have looked like, had Abrams thought a little bit more about how it used to look
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/ENTERPRISE-new.jpg
You didn't even look at the pic otherwise you would notice its the same exact thing.
I did this as a rough idea of how it will look
Ship looks almost fan-boyish, sorry to say it.
Understatment of the decade.
Not quite.
arg have to wait 3 days for the trailer to show up online -.-
And the TOS connie bridge wasn't, for its time? :P Just settle down and wait for the movie, sheesh.
I love you, Hollywood, have my babies.
Here, I went ahead and did something special for you guys. I did some extensive searching, and found this is a hoax, I also dug up the -real- XI Enterprise:
(http://images.superchevy.com/features/sucp_0708_05z+1956_chevy_bel_air+rear_left_view.jpg)
arg have to wait 3 days for the trailer to show up online -.-
I don't think you have to wait that long, wait some hours and the trailer will be show up on youtube
from someone who filmed james bond, it will be not that good quality, but it will be enough
till monday :wink:
thought this was funny
I really don't see what's so funny about the cars.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KmNXDUGiNNk&feature=related
That should be the Enterprise. It's got awesomeness written all over it.
Its as epic as the teaser. Poor Kelvin gets owned. The free-falling/planetary drill sceen looks like it will be intense.
EDIT:Im curious now as to the reason(and which planet) Nero's giant drill is being used(which appearently is connected to his ship...some say his "gold. organic and squid like" ship).
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KmNXDUGiNNk&feature=related
That should be the Enterprise. It's got awesomeness written all over it.
Better look at all the fancy trailers. Despite everything, I'm liking the new Enterprise. WHY?
The movie actually looks quite good. Whether it will be a good Trek movie is an entirely different matter.
I loved it.
and I also love the theme.
good music=good movie.
i still think it is absolutely terrible and appalling what they are doing... :arms:don't be so grumpy. You'll love it :D
talk about bastardizing something...
who the heck is nero?
who the heck is nero?
One cannot judge that by a teaser trailer.
C'mon Shadow,ya seriously - please drop the attitude, man... :roll:
There is no need to get personal and tell jimmy to grow up, we can still all have a good debate without resorting to that ;).
who the heck is nero?
Some kind of evil burning software bent on destroying humanity. :3One cannot judge that by a teaser trailer.
Yes they can. It's just their own opinion and if they don't wanna give something the chance then that's up to them. I've been a star trek fan my entire life and have always been devoted to trek. I'll give it a chance, whilst still let let down by the sets and such I've seen so far... time will tell. Even if it doesn't work out to be a great movie, I'm sure it'll at least spawn more gossip and breathe new life into trek one way or another.
who the heck is nero?
I don't see the upset, really, I don't. I've been a trekky most of my life, I grew up in the TNG era of television and saw the rise and fall of UPN. I didn't watch much of Enterprise, but I loved it's premise. This movie holds great potential and I really am not willing to judge a feature film by one minute of footage. I will admit that I felt let down when the new Enterprise did not resemble Gabe's as closely as we hoped, and when I saw the new bridge was a huge departure from the original 1960's bridge. But that bridge was made in the sixties and while it reached out to young people and captured their imagination then, it will not do so now in a world of CGI animation in every movie and million dollar sets. This movie will not be made or broken by the sets or the ships, but by the acting and portrayal of characters that the world has grown to know and love for three generations. One cannot judge that by a teaser trailer.
C'mon Shadow,
There is no need to get personal and tell jimmy to grow up, we can still all have a good debate without resorting to that ;).
But yes, i do agree with you its about the Characters and how they interact with each other, but the problem is the crew in Trex XI dont remind me of the crew he have grown to love,
I dont ever remember Spock openly attacking Kirk on the Bridge in TOS?
Oh, apparently the Enterprise is in the pic with the Kelvin being shot up.
Worse, J.J. Abrams has ignored Roddenberry's original backstory for Kirk. At the Academy, he was "absolutely grim" ... an over-achiever. Always serious. Followed the rules. Constantly taunted by upperclassmen. His best friend almost suckered him into getting married. Evidently, nothing like the young Kirk in this movie. Thanks to Abrams, Ellison must be grinning the proverbial Cheshire grin.
As for Matt Jefferies' original designs ... well, I have a replica of each. You've gotta be quick to pick one up 'cause they sell fast. Fortunately, if you miss out, you can always pick up a replica of any of the objects from other Trek series ... most of them are still on the shelf. I have a sneaky suspicion that the J.J. Abrams version of NCC 1701 won't sell much better.
There's no way that Kirk could be that straight-laced and all "Yes sir!" and then become one of the biggest rulebreakers in Starfleet. Besides which, risk-taking, such as driving a classic 'vette over a cliff or even riding a motorcycle from Iowa to the San Francisco fleet yards(since there are no deserts in Iowa, but plenty in California), is part of Kirk and has been since day one. Now, I could imagine Kirk finally buckling down in the academy, over-acheives, then hits the Kobayashi Maru scenario, gets ticked off at how badly he gets whooped and then cheats.QFT
I must admit, I hadn't realised how old Leonard was. He looks like a ghost!
A four part comic series will be released starting in Jan. It basically tells the backstory for Nero and leads up to ST11. The original Spock, Picard and Data/B-4 will also be the other main characters that will be involved.I wonder if it will also cover the fate of B-4? and, maybe, his backstory
http://www.trektoday.com/news/251108_02.shtml
If you've ever wanted to see a Star Trek movie on an IMAX screen, you will have your chance come May.aaah dammit i was hoping it would have been for a different Trek movie somehow lol
http://www.trektoday.com/news/251108_01.shtml
ST 6 showed many unnamed races so meh...
so naybe JJ is being naughty and trying to slip in some Star Wars?i doubt it lol there is such a thing as coincidence...
And GOD Nimoy is OLD!
I'm gonna Hold judgement, Until I see the Movie, [ but HEY guys it is Star Trek , and it is in the PUBLIC eye]
TrekMovie: As JJ [Abrams] has been going around, especially in foreign countries where Trek hasn?t played as well, he has been saying things that have got the notice of Star Trek fans. Things like "I?m not a Star Trek fan" and "this movie is not made for Star Trek fans" and that kind of stuff. Some Star Trek fans have reacted wondering if this movie really isn?t for us. Is that a fair criticism?
Roberto Orci: I can see how if you are a fan, you can go ?uh oh.? I think it is just reflecting, what he has said himself, that he didn?t think he was going to direct this movie, and when he says he wasn?t a fan, of course he was aware of Star Trek and had scene it and admired it, along with Twilight Zone and some of the other shows that he really likes. But I don?t think he ever imagined himself taking over a year of his life and devoting it to Star Trek and that is what he means. I think quotes reflect how much he surprised himself in how much he came to love it even more. And he went through that process without knowing it as well as all of us crazy fans, and from a much more general audience point of view, like everyone else. That is what he means by ?not for the fans?, he thinks it is going to appeal to more than just the fans and I certainly don?t think he means to exclude them. Too many die-hards worked on this movie for it to not be for fans.
We can liken almost anything to something that happened on The Next Generation, because The Next Generation covered almost every story that there is. As fans - when JJ is out there saying things that prickled our pointy ears, we just think of him like Riker in the episode ["A Matter of Honor"] which he had to go be the first officer on board a Klingon ship in an exchange program. On that ship when someone talks back to you, you would have to beat them down or you lose the respect of your crew, which is protocol, whereas on a Federation ship that would be a crime. So we have to give JJ a little bit of leeway, when he is traveling the galaxy over there where they don?t know Trek, to say the things that need to be said in order to get people onto our side.
TrekMovie: Everything that has come out over the last month has answered a lot of questions, but also raised new ones. The first of which came up recently, related to Captain Robau, who was revealed on the new Intel site [boldlygo.intel.com]. Can you talk about who he is and what his background is, like his being from Cuba.
Roberto Orci: As you know, the [USS] Kelvin is named after, not only the same scientist with the temperature scale named after him, but also JJ?s grandfather. And the captain of that ship, Richard Robau, is named after my uncle, who was born in Cuba. One of the things we talked about early on, was where was Uhura born? Does Sulu have to be Japanese? And it occurred to us that, in the future, the borders that exist now won?t exist then. So you can be born somewhere, and raised somewhere else, and live somewhere else, and even sometimes off Earth. So I always imagined that Capt Robau was born in Cuba, but then grew up in the Middle-East.
TrekMovie: Speaking of "Countdown", does the series take place before or after Star Trek Nemesis?
Roberto Orci: After.
And I hope "Countdown" is good, both story- and art-wise...though I don't know why Data's on the cover. ?_?
Well, I knew that much, but why is Data, who is, for all intents and purposes, a cloud of molecular debris scattering through the Bassan Rift, on the cover? Makes no sense unless...B4?
Well here.... this movie can't be worse than ST5.....
No the timeline won't go back to "normal" because they are not operating on the "Grandfather Paradox" version of time travel. They're relying on the idea that anything that can happen, does. And by that theory, the original timeline, or the "Prime" timeline if you will, continues on. Even though the plot with Nero is likely to be resolved by the end of the movie, both timelines will continue to exist and likely the stories will start following the "new" timeline.
Or worse than 5...Insurrection. >_>
it would have been nice to see what happened with B-4...
yet another reason they should have done a post-Nemesis movie instead of an alternate-reality-parallel-universe-already-been-done movie lol :P
They exhausted TNG. Berman admits it, the cast mostly admits it, the writers admit it. There was nothing left to write for Picard and company.
They exhausted TNG. Berman admits it, the cast mostly admits it, the writers admit it. There was nothing left to write for Picard and company.
And yet, most of the TNG cast still are open to doing more movies, if offered. Latest was Jonathan Frakes making this statement, and even Patrick Stewart is open to the idea.
Stewart stated he was out, Spiner says he's too old, McFadden has little interest in another film. The only ones who want another film (dare I say it) are the ones who don't have other decent jobs in showbusiness. I'm sorry, I said it.
And even if they did all want to be in another movie, it will tank. There's nothing left to really write about for them anymore. It won't draw in an audience.
They exhausted TNG. Berman admits it, the cast mostly admits it, the writers admit it. There was nothing left to write for Picard and company.
And yet, most of the TNG cast still are open to doing more movies, if offered. Latest was Jonathan Frakes making this statement, and even Patrick Stewart is open to the idea.
Stewart stated he was out, Spiner says he's too old, McFadden has little interest in another film. The only ones who want another film (dare I say it) are the ones who don't have other decent jobs in showbusiness. I'm sorry, I said it.
And even if they did all want to be in another movie, it will tank. There's nothing left to really write about for them anymore. It won't draw in an audience.
i cant wait until the next KHAAAAN! remake...A documentary. The Life and Demise of Khan Noonien Singh. Picard will make it during a movie about his rising to command the stargazer. if this one succeeds, which I think it will.
Only 3 reasons to see Star Trek XI:Here's 3 more:
Simon Pegg is in it. Simon Pegg = INSTANT WIN.
Majel Barrett-Roddenbury's last acting job. She best damn well get a dedication note in the credits.
Going to see iF J.J Abrams slips any references to 'LOST' in it. Hoping for a 'not-so-much-seen' ship as in 'USS Oceanic N.C.C 0815'
Going to see iF J.J Abrams slips any references to 'LOST' in it. Hoping for a 'not-so-much-seen' ship as in 'USS Oceanic N.C.C 0815'lol $100 says there will be some random ship in some background scene with the registry of NCC-4815162342 :P
Yes. We know. This is an alternate timeline film where something which causes the Enterprise to get new updates never seen in TOS to happen. So yes, airlocks deflector, phasers the lot.
Trek and football, an explosive combination.lol i would imagine most football fanatics were the types that would beat up the trek nerds in school :P
'all action, no esscence'
And I was so looking forward to seeing this film.*cookied*
That 'all action, no esscence' trailer has put me right off it again.
And I was so looking forward to seeing this film.*cookied*
That 'all action, no esscence' trailer has put me right off it again.
that was one of my thoughts...
And I was so looking forward to seeing this film.
That 'all action, no esscence' trailer has put me right off it again.
Now, it could backfire and turn into yet another Nemesis, but as a certain pointy-eared, green blooded hobgoblin is fond of saying, "There are always possibilities."
to draw in people who typically think of Star Trek as "lame" or "corny", etc. etc. etc.aaaaaand that trailer, aired during the Superbowl of all things, is gonna make people think that this new movie is absolutely not lame and corny??? LOL
and if that teaser was any indication, Urban is going to steal the show as McCoy.
and if that teaser was any indication, Urban is going to steal the show as McCoy.
You came to that conclusion after the whole two words he spoke?. :lol:
Well, on multiple sites, the Trek trailer ranked second, mostly behind Transformers 2. That's definitely saying something.
dint kirk serve has an ensign on the uss defiant before he was assigned to the enterprise :S i remember hearing it on the original series
They made up the excuse that it's an alternate timeline or some rubbish to justify calling Nimoy out from his luxurious home to sit in a tiny, cramped set they claim to be a timeship or whatever. I dunno. I'm only going to see it so I can laugh and wave goodbye to trek. :arms:
1st rule of a movie promotion. Use some originallity.
Also, pic of a ST09 trading card showing the Enterprise at warp...pretty cool looking warp effect if you ask me.
you can barely see the ship
And also in the trailer, when the Enterprise enters warp, even though we only see it for a few seconds, its long enough to see the JJPrise in warp. Either way, I can't imagine this Enterprise being at TNG warp.
If you were passing stars that turned into streaks why were others practically standing still.
As you can see, there are stars streaming outside of the big blur.
As you can see, there are stars streaming outside of the big blur.
Yes, those are streaming away from the Enterprise. Not flying past the Enterprise like in TNG.
In the danger of turning this into a Generations convo,
I don't see why kirk had to be in it in the first place, :lol:
Okay, next damn moviedo you honestly think there will ever be another trek movie ever again?
Okay, next damn moviedo you honestly think there will ever be another trek movie ever again?
i have a strong suspicion that this monstrosity of a disappointment of a movie will most definitely kill whatever life Trek had left in it...
i really feel there will never be another movie after this one...
unless they have another sell-out idea...
I highly doubt Romulus is destroyed by the Vulcans.
And what planet is that which gets turned inot a pancake? Looks suspiciously like Vulcan...
I highly doubt Romulus is destroyed by the Vulcans.
Not according to the Countdown comics...
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I highly doubt Romulus is destroyed by the Vulcans.
Not according to the Countdown comics...
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A massive supernova within the Romulan Empire wipes out the planet along with Nero's (the movie's villain) pregnant wife. Beforehand, Spock and Nero teamed up to find a solution, but they were stonewalled by the Vulcans (who possessed the technology to stop the supernova) despite help from Captain Data of the Enterprise and Federation Ambassador Picard. Mind you, the miniseries still has two more issues to go, but it seems likely that Nero blames Spock, the Vulcans, and the Federation for what happened and uses time travel to get his revenge in the past.
Well we all know that's not canon and in no way would happen in the Star Trek universe. If the Romulans asked for help then the Federation would have provided it despite reservations by members, anyone remember Star Trek 6?
Well we all know that's not canon and in no way would happen in the Star Trek universe.
Basically, the comic in question is just as canon as the "Star Trek: Titan" novels.
Which by our standards unfortunately, isn't very canon.
Captain Data? He died as a Lt. Commander and 2nd officer.I highly doubt Romulus is destroyed by the Vulcans.
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A massive supernova within the Romulan Empire wipes out the planet along with Nero's (the movie's villain) pregnant wife. Beforehand, Spock and Nero teamed up to find a solution, but they were stonewalled by the Vulcans (who possessed the technology to stop the supernova) despite help from Captain Data of the Enterprise and Federation Ambassador Picard. Mind you, the miniseries still has two more issues to go, but it seems likely that Nero blames Spock, the Vulcans, and the Federation for what happened and uses time travel to get his revenge in the past.
Also anyone notice the Enterprise actually does have the registery on the underside of her saucer?That was a weird camera view. That is the top of the saucer showing the bridge-- the ship is actually upside down in that scene.
Thing is though, even if Nero had the Narada before the huge boom, how could he get something that big to be built? As far as we know, there is currency in the Romulan Empire...
I think it's Paramount's way of teasing us cause there's no way in the seven hells that the Playmates toy will look THAT detailed. :(
EDIT: Billz, here you go:
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr3_h480p.mov
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr3_h720p.mov
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr3_h1280p.mov
I thought I saw two more kelvin class/Saladin class type ships in the trailer before this one.
yeah that doesn't look like it came from the film at all / or made by the models from the film... looks fan made.
Putting Paramount's logo on something doesn't make it endorsed.
but I'll refrain from the pictureplease feel free to post a screenshot of it :)
but I'll refrain from the pictureplease feel free to post a screenshot of it :)
im just trying to avoid several of them all at once :)
fly's eyes. That rhymes.
They look more like cargo bay doors to me.
Especially Yelchin. At least the others look somewhat like the character they're supposed to be, Yelchin's way off.
I bet ya there will a Lost reference in the move some where. A hidden Dharma logo? (Branch of Section 31 anyone? lol)
One thing I don't like about the XI Ent is the bottom of the saucer is very bare, it looks incomplete to me.
That and the appearent lack of belly phasers...or any phasers elsewhere other than the six on the saucer....which makes it similar to a Phase II version. Keeping the same weaponry as TOS and adding a few TMP elements. I'm just happy that there is still some life in Star Trek after all these years. :)
ooh good point... i am a big fan of the Lost series, and i thought Cloverfield was pretty decent...I bet ya there will a Lost reference in the move some where. A hidden Dharma logo? (Branch of Section 31 anyone? lol)Well, there is a Cloverfield reference in the movie so I don't doubt that one bit...plus this is JJ we're talking about here...its a requirement lol.
One thing to think about on the phasers though, if the Super Bowl commercial was any indication, they seem to be treating the phasers on the saucer as individual turrets, which means unless something gets right behind the saucer the phasers would be able to hit them.
Well, there is a Cloverfield reference in the movie so I don't doubt that one bit...plus this is JJ we're talking about here...its a requirement lol.
There's another TV spot and it shows some new things along with some of the older clips. The theme for this one is: Forget Everything You Know.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/03/23/watch-new-star-trek-movie-commercial-download-hd/
BOOM! BOOM!
Wait, does that mean we'll be seeing stuff in the 24th Century, no matter how short it may be?
Wait wait... How did our own Eric Bana land the main villain role?
Now I have to see it.
To be ontopic: New trailer. I'm guessing Kirk on the icy planet (Dellta something-or-other) is to do with his Starfleet training.
Edit: I can imagine them using "Requiem for a Tower" for a trailer showing off lots of stuff.
Edit: I can imagine them using "Requiem for a Tower" for a trailer showing off lots of stuff.
Have you met the community on YouTube, lol?
Most of the time, its just videos uploaded with the 'Requiem For A Tower' or Epic Manuever (I don't know the name of this track) tracks. As soon as somone sees something awesome, they re-edit it with those pieces of over-used music, upload it, and b*tch when people comment saying 'Vid sux. Moosic b r stoopid' or something to that effect, starting flame wars and just generally getting old really fast.
'Requiem' and the Epic tracks are over-used people! Try something new!
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Edit: Completely different. 47 is mentioned loads of times in Voyager (vid here). How many Klingon ships did the Narada destroy? 47 wasn't it...? :P
Wait, if they're doing a sequel to STXI, doesn't that imply we'll be stuck with this JJPrise?
Wait, if they're doing a sequel to STXI, doesn't that imply we'll be stuck with this JJPrise?
Its old news that they would be doing more than one but, this makes sense seeing as Paramount has recently already givin TRANSFORMERS 3 a July 1st, 2011 release date so, im not actually surprised by this.
Its old news that they would be doing more than one but, this makes sense seeing as Paramount has recently already givin TRANSFORMERS 3 a July 1st, 2011 release date so, im not actually surprised by this.
A sequel?
Doe's that mean that, however many more Trek movies are made, will all be set in J.J. Abrams 'alternate timeline' like XI is supposed to be? If so, whats the point? I mean, I want Trek to live another 40 years like I'm sure alot of other fans do, but setting a new line of movies in an alternate timeline to the one already established seems a little lazy to me.
And again, I repeat: We do not know how this movie will end yet. For all we know, the timeline is restored in the end of the movie, and any sequels to the movie will be based in the timeline we've come to know over the past 40 years. Movie isnt even out yet, and people are passing judgement already.
Oh good god, the viewscreen is actually a window now... *cough* *hack*
Oh good god, the viewscreen is actually a window now... *cough* *hack*
Oh good god, the viewscreen is actually a window now... *cough* *hack*
It makes sense, what if the senors go down? How will you see?
Also, they added a new section to showcase the Quantum Mechanix models, they look awesome. I may retexture your JJPrise Wiley to be a couple of them. :D
http://www.startrekmovie.com/modelgallery/ (http://www.startrekmovie.com/modelgallery/)
My personal favorite is "Enterprise 5", she's got a sweet WWII look about her. (With little D7's by the impulse manifold like WWII fighters to show their kills.)
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/06/austin-tx-fans-given-surprise-showing-of-entire-star-trek-movie/
Sweet, that would have been quite the surprise, beware spoilers over the next month. And I thought the Aussies were going to see it first.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/06/austin-tx-fans-given-surprise-showing-of-entire-star-trek-movie/
Sweet, that would have been quite the surprise, beware spoilers over the next month. And I thought the Aussies were going to see it first.
Dang it, I live like North of there! A bit far, but it would've been great to see. :(
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809752801/video/12865145 Go to "Disease and Danger" to see a good clip with McCoy. :D
In one of the clips posted at TrekMovie.com, we see Kirk acting a lot like the womanizing Kirk from the original series. Downsized the spoiler-text below:
The clip begins with Kirk meeting Uhura at a bar. Apparently trying to hit on her, Kirk inquires as to what Uhura is studying at the academy, whereby she replies with Xenolinguistics. Uhura doesn't believe Kirk knows what it means, however he replies that it's among others the study of alien languages. In a very Kirk fashion, he comments that Uhura is "Good with her tongue". At the end of the clip, a Starfleet officer asks Uhura if Kirk is bothering her. Uhura replies that she can handle him. Kirk replies that she can "handle him anytime". The clip ends with Kirk calling the officer "cupcake", and suggesting the officer bring a few more friends so that it will be an even fight between Kirk and the officer+friends.
Not willing to spoil too much, from the little i've seen, I think Chris Pine got Kirk's "mannerisms" down solid. And judging by the comments i've read, written by both Trek fans, and non Trek fans, we may indeed be in for an enjoyable movie in the coming month.
If you think about Kirk in TOS, he's always gettin the woman and starting fights.
Do you like to Rock? If so, then we have news for you. Today Paramount and MTV Games announced a promotional partnership for the new Star Trek movie and the popular rockin? videogame Rock Band. The promotion kicks off today and will include music track giveaways, an in-game Star Trek themed battle of the bands and a futuristic avatar contest. You can even win your own personal screening of Star Trek.
As promised I got this odd little piece cleared to show you all from J.J.?s New Star Trek. This goes way back to the early days of the new film. Back when the earth was new and the oceans were still full of hot Magma Ryan Church was brought on to start the conceptualizing the new/old Enterprise. Since the movies goal was to break new ground and start at day one the consensus was to recreate the 60?s look without coping what was done by Jeffery?s 45 years ago. All the ideas and concepts were being re-thought and re-imagined. The inspiration for this ship idea came from images and ideas of Luigi Colani?s futuristic designs that seem to have also inspired Burt Ratan. This comp was to take those sweeping lines and create a starship that has the essence of the futuristic 1960?s but with a contemporary flare. Note the name of the starship!!! the registry # is 1701, but the name is the USS Sea Breeze!!! Wholly Cow can you imagine what that would have done to all of us fans,,, There would have been a lynching for sure? Anyways this was a very short lived idea and the notion to rename the ship quickly faded back to ENTERPRISE just like it should be? I asked Ryan what this was all about and this is the best answer he could come up with, and that it was for no other reason than to be different from the original. he also said he was glad that this awful thing died quickly,,, but it?s here for you today!!! So Enjoy what could have been the last nail in the coffin had they gone thru with this hanus insult.
Ever considered the date this was originally posted? April fools perhaps?
Kirk meeting Uhura at a bar (for those not able to see the same clip on MTV.com)
I wonder what the warp core will look like. Vertical or horizontal?
I personally think it will be horizontal.
I've said this before and I'll keep saying it until people understand. These commercials and trailers are NOT made with US in mind. Paramount is trying to appeal to those who've passed on Star Trek before because it was "lame". I highly doubt that the trailers and previews are completely indicative of what the movie actually is, especially since it has gotten so many good reviews already from both Trekkies and non-Trekkies.ya i understand that - i know how the game of selling a product is done, believe me... especially when i comes to films... altho, i dont know if what you are saying is 100% fact and not just an opinion of yours (unless it was specifically said somewhere by one of the filmmakers that was indeed their tactic?)
Worf? huh? :?
I have read spoilers from people who have been present at the advanced screenings,
And from what they have said Engineering is massive and looks very industrial, but yet you don't get too see much of it at all.
one thing i think is a little overboard is in some of the commercial previews, they take the time to enforce things like -
"Forget everything you have known" and "This is not your father's Star Trek"
it's like ok, we get it; this is nothing like anything we have already come to know - we can see that in the preview... is it really necessary to emphasize the sell of "this is completely redone to follow the modern trend of remakes that are blown over the top and hollywoodized - look at all the action-packed fast-paced scenes and sexiness and CGI - just like every other Hollywood film that is part of the flock of sheep!"
General Worf, and dozens of BoPs attack the Narada(this being after its Borg improvments). Most are of them are destroyed. Nero tells Worf to surrender, Worf tells Nero that he will(but ofcourse is planing something). So Worf and some other Klingon warriors take a shuttle(looks very much like the one that we saw in TNG) over to the Narada. Right as they get to the Narada they get out and start cutting into the hull of the ship. Some of the crew are caught by surprise and the first few Romuluns go down no problem and so the Klingons split up. Worf finds himself on the bridge of the Narada and finds that Nero is hiding somewhere. Worf tells Nero to show himself and Nero starts talking to him and they go back and forth. Behind Worf one of these Borg...things(looks kinda like the tail of the xenos from the aliens movies) thrusts thru Worfs torso(like at the end of AvP) and later when the Enterprise(which seems to have had extra impulse engines added to the back of the nacelles) arrives and in their conversation Nero tells Captain Data(Picard who is on the bridge aswell is Ambassador to Vulcan) that "there is still a flicker of life in your Klingon friend" and moments later he is beamed over to the Enterprise and thats the last we hear about Worf. You should really atleast read through Countdown at the book store...it will help.
I thought I was the only one who felt like that :P It's like they're saying: "Don't worry, this is not the Trek you remember. This one is cool, so you can like it without being called nerd and getting picked on by bullies".see, i guess the fact theyre trying to make it "cool" like that takes away from the depth of it IMO...
how lame do you have to be to put that in there to remind/emphasize to people?
Errr...things aren't THAT different from what's been established. I mean, there is precedent for Kirk deliberately antagonizing Spock...
they are doing a sequel, so what confuses me is that if this is supposed to be an alternate-reality thing, im assuming the 2nd movie would be a continuation (of sorts) of the same alternate reality timeline?
(lol so long as it isnt a revamped Wrath Of Khan anyway...)
if its not an alternate-reality thing, then i guess it is just a revamp, as per BSG?
Here's something I'm confused about...
We've seen clips of the Narada all borgified. Yet when it attacks Earth, it's just the mining bit itself. Does that mean that the Narada can launch bits of itself off similar to MVAM?
I think a series would be seriously pushing it...with the general opinion of JJ's other films and series...
I just think its far too early to consider a series.agreed...
speaking of the movie... :P
I hope it does well so executives think Star Trek is a money maker again but it still feels like loyal fans (I even watched all of Enterprise and liked it towards the end) are being sh*t on, pardon my french.
People need to research before they make judgement.
except in cases like Jimmy's where it seems more of a boycott against Hollywood (Which is okay, they've gone a bit far on some things) :Pfor me, tho i am anti-Hollywood and "The Machine", i find myself boycotting remakes and prequels more than anything...
except in cases like Jimmy's where it seems more of a boycott against Hollywood (Which is okay, they've gone a bit far on some things) :Pfor me, tho i am anti-Hollywood and "The Machine", i find myself boycotting remakes and prequels more than anything...
Had this been a B-movie, would you feel any different though?nope... it is just a cheap and lazy thing to do, to rewrite or reuse things already done... kind of like the million rap songs with sampled 80's music for their background music...
using the magical term "Alternate Universe" to sell a new story based on an already solid franchise. It's not laziness, it's giving the new generation a chance to see the origins of Trek from a perspective they'd better understand and enjoy.actually, it is laziness... and by definition "giving a new generation ... " by completely Hollywoodizing it also could be defined as "sell-out" IMO... to completely alter things to make it seem "cool" and align itself with other obvious mainstream aspects really does cheapen it... i can spot a sell-out a mile away lol
I think I would be more open minded if this had have been a remake like Battlestar Galactica was.i would have the exact opposite viewpoint of this whole new "aspect" of TOS if it were a new series (as BSG was) instead of just a new movie... granted - BSG was originally meant only as a miniseries, but it did ten thousand times better than expected in ratings so the continued with a series...
I think because the Original Series hasn't been touched and is treated like the Holy Grail of Trek that it's hard to see it in a different light. I still think it's a cheap plot device to set it in an alternate reality so they can do whatever the hell they want.exactly how i feel...
My friend felt this way about Transformers as he is an avid G1 fan whereas I've liked nearly all the reboots and spin offs but once he saw the film he loved every minute and I'll probably be the same about Star Trek. I do hope there is a reset button as there normally is with stories envolving alternate realities! :lol:right on - *cookied*
I do hope there is a reset button as there normally is with stories envolving alternate realities! :lol:
I do hope there is a reset button as there normally is with stories envolving alternate realities! :lol:I wonder what a JJ Mirror universe would be like?
It's got the bones (lol)
And what does Nero do for the next 20-30 years? Plays chess with Yeti?*cookied for bad pun and funny*
With JJ, possibly more weapons and for dramatic effect, spikes. :P
It's got the bones (lol)And what does Nero do for the next 20-30 years? Plays chess with Yeti?*cookied for bad pun and funny*
With JJ, possibly more weapons and for dramatic effect, spikes. :P
Painted flames. Neon lights. Transparent nacelles. Commanded by Vin Diesel.
:P
Also my apologies for stirring all this up again and helping drag the thread off topic :oops:no worries, it is basically ontopic lol
Hollywood Execs will never listen to the fans even if they love a franchise that makes millions of dollars worldwide :(
This is a new age to Star Trek, my friends. A new cast, taking a new version of our beloved Enterprise into space once again, so young, so fresh, so full of...possibilities.see, that philosophy just sounds so "commercial" and generic to me...
While, yes, the alternate reality is somewhat...cliche, even for Star Trek, it leaves the door open.yes it really is cliche, it really is... and thats the most disappointing factor, to me, about this whole movie... if it weren't using that cheap and easy way out of it, i might not feel so down about this movie... but the minute i heard that, it made my stomach sink even lower...
they would have been much better off just leaving trek alone as it was
Personally I'm looking forward to seeing this new trek film, looks a bit like it will be a "reimagined" type of film kind of like the new BSG was. I hope all the ST purists don't constantly complain about every little thing as far as canon is concerned, I myself am guilty of that to a certain extent but at this point I'll take any new trek I can get. :wink:
Product placement in a Trek movie?!?
Say it isn't so.
Clip 1 - Uhura asks for a '3 Budweiser Classics'.
If I see anymore product placement in the new Trek movie, I'll puke.
Well, at least JJ hasn't completely perverted the D7. :P
Another thing (and this goes out to all original trek as well): Do we ever find out Uhura's first name? Cos she makes it stand out she doesn't mention it big time in one of the spoiler-y clips.
Wasn't that already mentioned? Or am I going mad?I don't see it in the last few pages.
And where's Number One? :PGuess we'll have to wait for the movie.
Awwww, darn. But it can't be Spock as XO...cos he was only science officer in Pike Trek but this is JJ we're dealing with...so who the f*** knows!
And I think Admiral Archer in canon terms is dead by the 2330's. Then again, JJ's the word...:P
2330's? Don't you mean the 2200's?
if im gonna do it, i might as well do it big
And yes, I capitalized it that way on purpose. :P
"He sacrificed himself to save us all"
IMAX trailer: Who the hell is swimming through some water tube things?
I also believe Romulus is that planet being blown away in one of the Trailers. (probably a clip from a flashback)
I also believe Romulus is that planet being blown away in one of the Trailers. (probably a clip from a flashback)
Actually, the planet being blown away is imploding. I'm thinking Nero heads to Vulcan first, destroying it. Then he heads to Earth, where we see him firing at San Fran.
I also believe Romulus is that planet being blown away in one of the Trailers. (probably a clip from a flashback)
Actually, the planet being blown away is imploding. I'm thinking Nero heads to Vulcan first, destroying it. Then he heads to Earth, where we see him firing at San Fran.
The planet imploding MAY be Vulcan. But in another trailer there is a planet being blown apart by a huge shockwave, which is likely the Hobus supernova hitting Romulus. No one cares about the poor Remans. :(
Ah, probably Romulus.
And yes, after crappy Nemesis, who would care about the Remans? :lol:
Ah, probably Romulus.
And yes, after crappy Nemesis, who would care about the Remans? :lol:
*sniff* I do. Those poor enslavedpeoplefishies.
For those of you that didn't see last nights Lost, heres the clip that they showed.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/30/watch-new-star-trek-clip-shown-during-last-nights-lost
Certainly seems like they did.
I can't get stupid Fandango to work right...why can't they just go through PayPal like every other civilized website??
Certainly seems like they did.
I can't get stupid Fandango to work right...why can't they just go through PayPal like every other civilized website??
Maybe because 'PayPal' is about as secure as say, a screen-door on a submarine perhaps?
'PayPal' and 'Fandago' are worthless. I am telling you this for the safety of your identity and your bank account that it is much safer to buy your ticket in person rather than online, through Fandago or otherwise.
Certainly seems like they did.
I can't get stupid Fandango to work right...why can't they just go through PayPal like every other civilized website??
Maybe because 'PayPal' is about as secure as say, a screen-door on a submarine perhaps?
'PayPal' and 'Fandago' are worthless. I am telling you this for the safety of your identity and your bank account that it is much safer to buy your ticket in person rather than online, through Fandago or otherwise.
I know many who've never had problems with Paypal. That argument is about as valid as the whole "Microsoft are evil" thing...
I can't seem to find anything about that episode of Lost with the Trek reference on Youtube or anything. Why would they have removed it? :/
I like the engineering... looks lots closer to the TOS one and still makes it look older.
in TOS there was never a true warp core....
I hate the look of Main Engineering on the Kelvin and the Enterprise.
Making it look like a waterworks warehouse just makes me realize where cost-cutting has affected the production badly.
Ok now they ruined it for me, I could grow to like every other room on the ship but now they've spoiled it with the Titantic's engine room.ya i was thinking the same thing actually...
It's like JJ and the ILM boys must think the Enterprise is the a size of a Star Destroyer or something because even a shot of the hanger deck looks grossly over scaled.
Considering that the Kelvin is an old design and has more relation to the NX class than the Constitution, and also the banged up condition its in, I imagine that Engineering is just right. And remember, we've only seen bits of it. So we don't know what the whole thing looks like till the film comes out and we've seen it.
As for the shuttle bay on the JJPrise: Maybe this shuttle bay goes further back than the TOS one. And theres a good chance that JJPrise is wider than a TOS-Prise.
We're not stuck in the 21st Century. We're appreciating what we have been given, whether it be what we want or not.
Matt Jefferies did design the future and Gene sent of the bill and look at what has happened! It's kept been alive for 40 years and it's still going on. You make it sound like you're giving up on Trek because its changed and evolved differently to how you expected.
Just because JJ has made radical changes, doesn't we still have all the old stuff.
If anything I'm surprised. Shatner likes the JJPrise.
and ship called Enterprise.
Also one wonders what the reaction would have been when the Motion Picture was in production had the internet been around then?
How can they kill Vulcan?
He's trying to make a cooler one.
Looks more like a laboratory.
And I think that clip with Scotty in those tubes is on Delta Vega. I mean, if it was on the Enterprise, wouldn't more people be there?
http://storeimgs.com/out.php/i26462_startcelebutopia151.jpg (http://storeimgs.com/out.php/i26462_startcelebutopia151.jpg)
I can't wait till Wiley gets his hands on detailed ships of these
(http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/spacedock-trekxi-wallpaper.jpg)
Okay, I think even Jimmy will like it.heh we'll see about that... :arms: :P
Just saw it and OH MY GOD!
Okay, I think even Jimmy will like it. I've already got tickets to see it with a second set of people, and I only just got home from the cinema. :D
I won't spoil a thing, but I will say that JJ did very well in making a point of the audience knowing it's an alternate universe.
I also noticed the Picard Maneuver and a Chopper reference too, wonder if anyone else will pick up on the former (Extremely subtle). And I will say this, too:
The movie is amazing from the very start with a very Trek-esque intro (if Roddenberry were starting the franchise in this era, this is what it would be). JJ has done a fantastic job on the whole thing, keeping the right amount of comedy, action and also the moral message Trek has always conveyed, but perhaps you have to go in looking for it as opposed to the corny ways we are used to and love so much.
You wouldn't believe how many times I had to go through this post and get rid of the f-bombs I dropped just thinking about it.
EDIT: First in first win. Also, I'd choose this over the original any day. And no, I won't say otherwise. It was that amazing.
I do hope there is a reset button as there normally is with stories envolving alternate realities! :lol:
How is that going to work now? They've already started thinking up a sequal.
I see this as a another reality, working along side the 'real' one like the Mirror Universe does.
Speaking of which... I wonder what a JJ Mirror universe would be like?
I do hope there is a reset button as there normally is with stories envolving alternate realities! :lol:
How is that going to work now? They've already started thinking up a sequal.
I see this as a another reality, working along side the 'real' one like the Mirror Universe does.
Speaking of which... I wonder what a JJ Mirror universe would be like?
F**ked up!!
Just saw the movie this afternoon. Ace :)
Still can't get over theuglyfied'new' enterprise though
I do hope there is a reset button as there normally is with stories envolving alternate realities! :lol:
How is that going to work now? They've already started thinking up a sequal.
I see this as a another reality, working along side the 'real' one like the Mirror Universe does.
Speaking of which... I wonder what a JJ Mirror universe would be like?
F**ked up!!
Just saw the movie this afternoon. Ace :)
Still can't get over theuglyfied'new' enterprise though
You kiddin'?! After seein' her in action I love her more.
Just got back, Hmmm it was star trek but then not!!
I was suprised to say I liked it.
Things I did not like was the love triangle thing and the lower decks of the Enterprise, they looked like they ran out of money and filmed in a local factory.
The ship has grown on me though she'll never stop my heart like the Connie refit did sat in the drydock in the TMP.
My verdict, good 7 out of 10 will see the sequel
I was blown away when I saw this film tonight. I'm going to watch it again tomorrow if I can. It was that awesome.
Also, point defence phaser turrets seen in action firing. For. The. Win.
But I have a bad feeling that I'm not going to like this movie. I don't know why but I am just still not sure.thats how i feel, i just cant help it... but i will keep an open mind... i know i have my preconceived notions already, but ill ignore them until about halfway through the movie where i will either feel more confirmed about them, or ill dismiss them altogether...
And there is no way in Hell I will ever walk the streets of London in the early to late evening.why not? just go for some drinks beforehand...
Drink. Drink. Drink.thats what i plan to do first, have some drinks right before; even if it is a 4pm show ill go to, liquid lunch for me :) lol
Trust me, if you go into this movie with a negative view, you'll leave only half satisfied.perhaps... tho before i ever saw BSG for the first time, i assumed it to be yet another stupid sci-fi show, but within 10 minutes of the first scenes in the miniseries, i was instantly blown away and hooked and chastised myself for having prejudged it lol i hope this will occur again... i guess ill find out soon enough...
Drink. Drink. Drink. Trust me, if you go into this movie with a negative view, you'll leave only half satisfied. Just keep telling yourself "Alternate Universe" and you'll be right. Worked for my mate :P
Sad. That's all I can say. A media icon has fallen, and to BASE it on a money-grabbing weak attempt of a show like Enterprise is beyond insane. Don;t get me wrong, Enterprise had it's moments, but when a show doesn't get interesting until it's fourth season, there's something wrong. And to try and revamp a franchise based upon it is ludicrous. The much-touted special effects were really things we've all seen a thousand times by now. The FX in the first 5 minutes of Revenge of the Sith were far better. Star Trek has never been about the special effects, but the humanity of the characters. This movie struck me as shallow, and not well thought-out. It destroyed the Trek legacy, apparently just for the sake of destroying it.you bring up some excellent points, and i agree with just about everything you mention here... to me, this post is definitely cookie-worthy...
I really tried to go into this one with an open mind, I really did, even though I was fairly sure it would end up like this. And I'm sure my view will not be very popular on this board because it is mostly populated with neo-trekkies who started watching with TNG or DS9 or Voyager. This is not the Star Trek I have loved for more than 25 years. To wipe out 43 years of history-making franchise to try and get the teen ticket buyers in is not good motivation. Had this featured the TNG/DS9/VOY cast in a final send-off before resetting history, it might be more palatable. And a decent Trek director, like Nick Meyer or Jonathan Frakes, might have made it believable. They could have given it the attention necessary to at least mask the fact that this was a blind grab for money for Paramount. Instead, we get JJ Abrams, a very typical director for this day and age who focuses too much on "epic" shots and effects and completely glosses over the character interactions and social issues that made Star Trek great.
It was a fairly good Trek story, but it could have been told just as well, if not better, with the a new 24th century crew and a new Enterprise-F. I mean, how many times do we need a time-travel story? And rather than passing this off as an alternate timeline, or something preserving Trek's past, Abrams completely obliterates it in favor of this slick, glossy ghost of Trek that doesn't stand out at all from other recent sci-fi fare. What makes this inexcusable is not the execution of the movie itself, but the cold disregard for what came before. To throw a few random one-liners from McCoy into the movie is just a lame attempt to keep diehard Trek fans from burning this one at the stake.
The cast was actually pretty good, and this only throws into relief the fact that this movie could have been a solid and enduring installment of the Trek franchise. The only gripe I had was with the characterization of Kirk. Chris Pine did a decent job, but the character comes off as a jerk and and egomaniac. Is there something wrong these days with having a truly heroic character that we don;t have to weigh down with a lot of personality problems?
The new Enterprise has been discussed thoroughly for the past year. Some love it, some hate it. I for one hate it incredibly. It has taken the distinctive look of Trek and made it look homogeneous with every other slick CGI spaceship in the last 10 years. There's no character to it, and it looks so much like a 50's Cadillac that I expect to see spock beam out of it in a pimp suit.
There is one glimmer of hope for me as a Trek fan. With the movie being so Spock-centric, it is entirely possible that the older 24th Century Spock has fabricated all of this within his mind because of some mental disorder (Bendii Syndrome, anyone?)
In all, Trek is not finally dead, but continues on life support for the time being. Only time and sequels will tell if this new direction will live up to the Star Trek name, but the mission was definitely not accomplished here.
With the movie being so Spock-centric, it is entirely possible that the older 24th Century Spock has fabricated all of this within his mind because of some mental disorder (Bendii Syndrome, anyone?)
That's is however your opinion, and IMO he succeed to bring Trek back....
No matter the concessions made some fans will never be satisfied.
With the movie being so Spock-centric, it is entirely possible that the older 24th Century Spock has fabricated all of this within his mind because of some mental disorder (Bendii Syndrome, anyone?)
Nope. The film is tied in with the STO timeline (2387 mostly) and then theres the Countdown comics which are all a precursor to the events in the film. I don't think JJ is stupid enough to turn a film and it's sequel into the biggest cliche in the history of story making: It was all a dream so it never happened.
the biggest cliche in the history of story making: It was all a dream so it never happened.
... so I think, despite the never-ending nit-picks of some, that the goal [or one of them anyways] was accomplished; bringing in fresh, new minds into Trek.
... so I think, despite the never-ending nit-picks of some, that the goal [or one of them anyways] was accomplished; bringing in fresh, new minds into Trek.
The fresh, new minds should have been in the writing and development process, not just in the audience. The audience does not decide the quality of a movie, the makers do.
Making the spoiler tiny to be considerate of Dale.
ANYBODY WHO ISN'T DALEKANIUM2 CAN READ THIS!
Razz
hehe, great moments. I think it was over-hyped (really good thing) as a love triangle though, considering that kirk doesn't get anywhere and it doesn't get an excessive amount of screentime.
And I thought you'd left already??!?!
Anyone else spot the tribble?That's the first thing I heard and saw when we all first see Scotty on Delta Vega. It was a burnt sienna-colored tribble in a white birdcage keeping it as a pet.
QuoteAnyone else spot the tribble?That's the first thing I heard and saw when we all first see Scotty on Delta Vega. It was a burnt sienna-colored tribble in a white birdcage keeping it as a pet.
And wasn't james cawley (from new voyages) in there somewhere?
And wasn't james cawley (from new voyages) in there somewhere?He must have had a small part, because I didn't notice him. The brief views of the simulator Klingon ships were cool and the glimpse of the reliant-esque 3 nacelled? kelvin-variant starship. I liked the part at the end where the Enterprise is starting to get pulled into the black hole and the bridge and the viewscreen starts cracking from the stress.
And wasn't james cawley (from new voyages) in there somewhere?
Yes, I swear I saw him too! In one of the bridge scenes, walks past Kirk I think.
QuoteAnd wasn't james cawley (from new voyages) in there somewhere?He must have had a small part, because I didn't notice him. The brief views of the simulator Klingon ships were cool and the glimpse of the reliant-esque 3 nacelled? kelvin-variant starship. I liked the part at the end where the Enterprise is starting to get pulled into the black hole and the bridge and the viewscreen starts cracking from the stress.
The one part that kinda bothered me was that- how can the Enterprise go to warp after it ejected it's warp cores/pods?
Was it just me who thought the scouse redshirt in the spacedrop sequence was priceless? SmileHe landed on the platform just in time to get burned up. Too bad there wasn't a little bit more of an explosion when he burned up, because he had the explosives. That would have been funny.
"I Can't wait to kick some romulan arse"
QuoteWas it just me who thought the scouse redshirt in the spacedrop sequence was priceless? SmileHe landed on the platform just in time to get burned up. Too bad there wasn't a little bit more of an explosion when he burned up, because he had the explosives. That would have been funny.
"I Can't wait to kick some romulan arse"
Did anyone else notice the little nod to TWOK in the simulator scene?? just one specific prop in full view I might add Wink
how many times are you going to wonder if there are any LOST references? :P
dont get me wrong, im a huge fan of lost and watch it every week lol
but you seem to bring that question up often...
just see the movie...
it would have been great if they showed a quick scene of some ship in some battlescene with the registry USS Oceanic NCC-4815162342 :P
When you are a LOST and Star Trek fanatic, that question tends to pop up if one guy just happens to be someholw involved with both.lol no worries, i am hoping for a LOST reference too, as a major fan of that series... and i havent seen this movie yet either...
I won't mention it again. Promise.
When you are a LOST and Star Trek fanatic, that question tends to pop up if one guy just happens to be someholw involved with both.lol no worries, i am hoping for a LOST reference too, as a major fan of that series... and i havent seen this movie yet either...
I won't mention it again. Promise.
maybe there will be a USS Oceanic NCC-4815162342 :P
excellent post! ill be seeing the movie tomorrow (i think) and it sounds like i already know what im in for...
almost everything you just said (and a few others reviews like Billz, mckinneyc, and undedavenger) is also everything i have been saying so far...
i have a feeling im not gonna be a fan of this new "Star Trek"...
22 votes in the poll up above, 18 of which considered the movie to be "Awesome". Myself included. I think when the dust finally settles, the concensus will be that there will be a crowd of "old school" Trek fans who dislike the movie for the sake of having something to dislike. Essentially the "purists" who see everything that is not 100% like TOS, as being blasmephous and evil. People who moan and whine to high heavens because the new Enterprise didnt look like the TOS Enterprise. Hell, I recall people whining because the new Enterprise's registry font was different from the TOS font, after the first trailer was released.
And then you will have the (vast majority), of both existing fans of Star Trek as well as the uninitiated who will have seen the movie, and left the theaters after a couple of hours of enjoyment. I've heard people who were not originally fans, that saw the movie that also enjoyed it. The movie did what it's main intention was, which was to bring in a new crowd of fans for a "New Generation of Star Trek", as well as trying very hard to keep the existing fans happy.
I do not consider the new movie as being the "perfection" of Star Trek. As with all movies and television shows, there are occasional errors or inconsistencies. Considering the new movie is the first Star Trek movie in 7 years, and the first Star Trek at all within the past 4 years, i'm just happy for the fact that Star Trek is becoming popular again. Nemesis debuted on opening weekend with a "meager" 18 million dollars domestically, whereas this movie earnt well over 70 million dollars domestically (and over 115 million dollars in total when including international sales). And thats just for opening weekend. I would be surprised if they would not make sequels or (one could hope), a new tv series after results like these.
I must urge Paramount to please return to the old formula and hand over the rains to people who have been involved in Star Trek production before and are REAL fans of the entire 40s years of Trek.
Going into the movie theatre with the preconception that you will hate the movie, will undoubtedly lead to exactly that result.
Going into the movie theatre with the preconception that you will hate the movie, will undoubtedly lead to exactly that result.
Not me. I just wanted to see it to thrash down on this blasphemous movie.
Thankfully I was wrong. It's a damn good movie.
22 votes in the poll up above, 18 of which considered the movie to be "Awesome". Myself included. I think when the dust finally settles, the concensus will be that there will be a crowd of "old school" Trek fans who dislike the movie for the sake of having something to dislike. Essentially the "purists" who see everything that is not 100% like TOS, as being blasmephous and evil. People who moan and whine to high heavens because the new Enterprise didnt look like the TOS Enterprise. Hell, I recall people whining because the new Enterprise's registry font was different from the TOS font, after the first trailer was released.
And then you will have the (vast majority), of both existing fans of Star Trek as well as the uninitiated who will have seen the movie, and left the theaters after a couple of hours of enjoyment. I've heard people who were not originally fans, that saw the movie that also enjoyed it. The movie did what it's main intention was, which was to bring in a new crowd of fans for a "New Generation of Star Trek", as well as trying very hard to keep the existing fans happy.
I do not consider the new movie as being the "perfection" of Star Trek. As with all movies and television shows, there are occasional errors or inconsistencies. Considering the new movie is the first Star Trek movie in 7 years, and the first Star Trek at all within the past 4 years, i'm just happy for the fact that Star Trek is becoming popular again. Nemesis debuted on opening weekend with a "meager" 18 million dollars domestically, whereas this movie earnt well over 70 million dollars domestically (and over 115 million dollars in total when including international sales). And thats just for opening weekend. I would be surprised if they would not make sequels or (one could hope), a new tv series after results like these.
Stop sniping at each other, or the thread will have to close again.
I must urge Paramount to please return to the old formula and hand over the rains to people who have been involved in Star Trek production before and are REAL fans of the entire 40s years of Trek.
You mean the same people who ran Star Trek into the ground, and damn near killed it off? Brannon "kiss my a$$" Braga, and Rick Berman? Both Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman are fans of Star Trek, and they were the two writers of the movie. While they werent involved in producing past incarnations of Star Trek, as fans they are definitely qualified.
I'll take JJ Trek any day, over anymore Berman/Braga Trek. The essence of Star Trek is still alive and well within Trek XI, eventhough the circumstances surrounding the characters may have changed somewhat. It's there, if youre willing to see it.
80% of the poll thinks it's fantastic, so it can't be that bad, eh jimmy? ;)
80% of the poll thinks it's fantastic, so it can't be that bad, eh jimmy? ;)
80% of the pollers could have also been DRUNK! [...just sayin'...]
hehe, good film. I got a huge kick out of scotty. :P He's bloody fantastic.
Better than your 0 before. :P
well how nice they explain it in a comic book... a movie shouldnt need a comic book to answer some of the obvious questions tho lol? i wouldnt have thought to look for answers in a comic book, anyway...
i would have never guessed Kirk was into Rage Against The Machine lolActually it was the Beasty Boys :D
oh youre right - stupid me lol i dont know why i typed in Rage, i meant Beastie Boys...i would have never guessed Kirk was into Rage Against The Machine lolActually it was the Beasty Boys :D
Well, it'd make the officer more...what's the word...anonymous? Less of a chance of someone going after the cop for revenge or something? Who knows...at least the voice in the movie sounded better than the one in the first trailer.
I doubt Vulcan's destruction(as I said many times before) would cause all of the future events to drastically change.i absolutely disagree... one of the top Federation planets, a major key player in the Federation, it's destruction would only have a small negligible impact on the future and the timeline??
As for Romulus's star going nova... weren't late TNG romulans badasses? Technologically at least as advanced as the federation? Wouldn't they, like, know their sun was due to go nova centuries before it happened and prepared for it? Stars don't just go boom at random, you know. It takes a very specific type of star to be a nova candidate - specifically, a much larger one then our own sun (which then makes the habitable zone around it either extremely thin or non - existent; the possibility of such a system having habitable planets is indeed remote), which then has to burn through sufficient amounts of it's hydrogen reserves before there's sufficient critical mass for a nova to take place. Romulans, an advanced spacefaring race, should've really seen it coming. But not only did they not, but when it started they expected (demanded) that a sworn enemy's ambassador comes and saves their sorry hides, and when he fails the survivors get all cross with him. This all from a very advanced, arrogant, proud race. How the mighty have fallen..ya that really annoyed the shit out of me also... weak move, writers... weak move...
The star that went nova, was not the Romulan star, but rather the star of a relatively nearby system. The "Hobus Star". As it was explained in the official comicbook prequel, the super nova was of an unusual (and more deadly) type, which literally grew as it destroyed more and more. It converted the mass of the nearby planets into energy, and thus expanded well beyond its normal range of destruction. I believe someone mentioned most supernova's are limited within a single starsystem?
My point being, its unusual type is why it was supposedly able to be a threat not only to Romulus/Remus but also to the entire galaxy. "Spock Prime", used the Jellyfish (constructed by Geordi La Forge), to go to the heart of what remained of the Hobus star, used a substance known as "Red Matter" to try and collapse the nova into a giant "black hole". While it may have looked like a black hole in appearance, obviousy it's function was more reminiscent of a wormhole, since both Spock and Nero had survived travel through it. As opposed to an ordinary black hole, which basically sucks everything in it and from which there is no escape.
I swear, a lot of the "scientific flaws" people find in the new movie, can be explained simply by reading the comic. I would hope they make a live action "feature" of the comic, and include it as an extra on the Star Trek DVD/Bluray.
Oh yeah, and "Red matter"? *Facepalm*LOL i know right? how lame is that? ok so maybe you dont want to confuse the generic audience with scientific large words (which i couldnt help there were none of, really, throughout the movie), but to dumb that far down? ridiculous...
In other words, accept what is. You can't change the movie. You can't change the story. You can, however, embrace the good parts, embrace the possibilities that are now available, and postulate on where you'd like that story to go in a positive way. It's the internet. If you do it in a reasoned and logical way, chances are that it might be seen. Possibly by some one who can directly influence the next movie to something more to your liking.
uh Dante the whole future time line isn't gone only a few events in the past were changed... I doubt Vulcan's destruction(as I said many times before) would cause all of the future events to drastically change. Vulcan wasn't really a catalyst in any of those series events. Heck the Vulcan's new colony could be renamed Vulcan later on. :P
Just so people can see that some of the changes the Ent went though in this movie aren't so far out there here are the launch dates of all 3 versions of it.
2245 - TOS Ent
2258 - JJ Ent
2272 - TMP Ent
A significant period of time elapsed, meaning tech advanced, meaning the JJ Ent would get at least some TMP features.
I say HELLO we aren't all clones here;
Also, what is with them not being able to scan ahead to know what was happening at Vulcan? Can they no longer scan while in warp? They are clueless what they are flying into until they are smack dab in the middle of wreckage. WTF?
iBridge?
It's white, it's sleek, it's practical. Are you basing this off of what you've seen in iPod commercials? Numerous movies before XI have used this pristine look (The Matrix for one, remember Zion's Control Tower? Yeah.). No offense, but... I just don't see the iPod reference.
Star Wars weapons/Science-fact?
I'm sorry, I thought I was watching a fictuous movie, not Apollo 13. Star Trek isn't real, and we are nowhere near anything on such a scale. But could you possibly please elaborate on why you felt they were cartoony/kiddy? From what I gathered we had Point Defense bursts, phasers, torpedoes, burst phasers and a giant mining laser, seems pretty uniform to various shiptypes in Trek. I'm not quite sure what you mean on this topic though.
The space battle cameras? You've gotta be kidding me man. If you have the camera like they did in TNG, the "action" doesn't feel very active at all. There were plenty of chances to get a good look at the ship (And there's plenty more on the website, the interactive tour and so on), but the fact is, say you're trying to record a fight or a drag race or something, you're not going to have a perfectly centered object at all times, and really, giving us shots of the ships upside down, or on angles and the like (to me, again) made it feel more spacey, and made the ships actually feel huge. For that brief viewing of the movie, it made me feel like I was watching something with more than a forward/backward direction.
iBridge?
It's white, it's sleek, it's practical. Are you basing this off of what you've seen in iPod commercials? Numerous movies before XI have used this pristine look (The Matrix for one, remember Zion's Control Tower? Yeah.). No offense, but... I just don't see the iPod reference.
Star Wars weapons/Science-fact?
I'm sorry, I thought I was watching a fictuous movie, not Apollo 13. Star Trek isn't real, and we are nowhere near anything on such a scale. But could you possibly please elaborate on why you felt they were cartoony/kiddy? From what I gathered we had Point Defense bursts, phasers, torpedoes, burst phasers and a giant mining laser, seems pretty uniform to various shiptypes in Trek. I'm not quite sure what you mean on this topic though.
The space battle cameras? You've gotta be kidding me man. If you have the camera like they did in TNG, the "action" doesn't feel very active at all. There were plenty of chances to get a good look at the ship (And there's plenty more on the website, the interactive tour and so on), but the fact is, say you're trying to record a fight or a drag race or something, you're not going to have a perfectly centered object at all times, and really, giving us shots of the ships upside down, or on angles and the like (to me, again) made it feel more spacey, and made the ships actually feel huge. For that brief viewing of the movie, it made me feel like I was watching something with more than a forward/backward direction.
Limey, you mentioned the whole Red Matter thing? Antimatter isn't very sciency sounding either if you boil it down to that. Just because it's deadly doesn't mean it needs a complicated name.. (Nuclear Warhead).
By technology Limey I assume you mean the engineering section and the personal phasers? I can't quite argue there but then, JJ didn't write Enterprise.
The entire movie was establishing (As newman and the movie itself said) a forked timeline
why on earth should reading a comic book be a prerequisite or whatever to understanding the movie?
I just got called out and b***** to on WLM... they said because I liked the movie and in extension all others who liked the movie, have no right to call ourselves true fans of Star Trek and have no taste when it comes to moviesReally? That's really disheartening. Does that mean my mother, the one who had me watching TNG out of the womb, and grew up with TOS, is not a true fan? Or myself, who endured ridicule at school for liking the franchise is not a fan? Come on folks, it's one movie. It's not going to destroy "our" beloved franchise. If Star Trek could endure through TMP (which you should all agree was vastly inferior to this movie) I think it will be safe after this (in my opinion) great film.
Cookie to everyone making valid points on both sides.
This (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/trekxi.htm) pretty much sums up how I feel about the movie.This is a very good review and shows a bit like i feeling about the film too.
when the fleet went into warp, whoah boy it was good
actually i think one of my favourite things about the film was the speed and sound of the ships going in and out of warp.
when the fleet went into warp, whoah boy it was good
actually i think one of my favourite things about the film was the speed and sound of the ships going in and out of warp.
when the fleet went into warp, whoah boy it was good
seemed to sound fine on my IMAX also lol
in fact, the warp sfx is one of the things about the movie i did like lol :P
Plus in one weekend it already sank Nemesis. :P
TallBoy66 May 11th, 2009 -- TECH
by Boborci May 11th, 2009
07:41:29 PM
I'll take any fanboy throwaway reference as to why the tech in this timeline is so advanced compared to the original TOS timeline, and how Nero blowing up the Kelvin changed that. Any explanation that works within the confines of Nero traveling back in time would do. Thanks a lot.
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Certainly one would expect that the fleeing shuttles carrying survivors would also carry whatever telemetry was recorded by the Kelvin in its final moments ( like an airplanes BLACK BOX). Imagine the wealth of information that Starfleet was exposed to from scans of the Narada.
heh found something interesting to go along with what I said about the Ent being launched later than its counterpart. 2245 - TOS Ent; 2258 - JJ Ent
from Robert Orci himself:QuoteTallBoy66 May 11th, 2009 -- TECH
by Boborci May 11th, 2009
07:41:29 PM
I'll take any fanboy throwaway reference as to why the tech in this timeline is so advanced compared to the original TOS timeline, and how Nero blowing up the Kelvin changed that. Any explanation that works within the confines of Nero traveling back in time would do. Thanks a lot.
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Certainly one would expect that the fleeing shuttles carrying survivors would also carry whatever telemetry was recorded by the Kelvin in its final moments ( like an airplanes BLACK BOX). Imagine the wealth of information that Starfleet was exposed to from scans of the Narada.
http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/41001#comment_2656114
heh found something interesting to go along with what I said about the Ent being launched later than its counterpart. 2245 - TOS Ent; 2258 - JJ Ent
from Robert Orci himself:QuoteTallBoy66 May 11th, 2009 -- TECH
by Boborci May 11th, 2009
07:41:29 PM
I'll take any fanboy throwaway reference as to why the tech in this timeline is so advanced compared to the original TOS timeline, and how Nero blowing up the Kelvin changed that. Any explanation that works within the confines of Nero traveling back in time would do. Thanks a lot.
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Certainly one would expect that the fleeing shuttles carrying survivors would also carry whatever telemetry was recorded by the Kelvin in its final moments ( like an airplanes BLACK BOX). Imagine the wealth of information that Starfleet was exposed to from scans of the Narada.
http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/41001#comment_2656114
But the tech in STXI was mostly less advanced than that of Ent. The gimmicky, flip-barrel phaser, the window-with-a-HUD, the water turbine.
I'd say windows are a big advancement over a lack of them. Doesn't use power either. Ent was made later on, FAR later on, it's logical it would LOOK more advanced because of the CGI and such. But really, alternate timeline, a budget to animate this stuff, and elaborate more on sets that usually would've been simplified for cost.
Oh and Dante, I'd suggest you reread that long post that you accused of only addressing you, you might find that you didn't get yourself your own post in return, but rather I got lazy and changed the method when I moved on to Limeys, who took it how I intended, my side, his side, rebuttals. I'd hope you'll correct that as I'm not in the thread to make enemies.
Agreed, hey Newman great youtube find. I thought the story seemed familiar and isn't JJ more of a, dare I say it, Star Wars fan?
Did Kirk have a Nokia touchscreen phone in his car? For some reason I don't mind the Beer, but if in the sequel I see Kirk getting his starfleet reports in a Mac Air, before putting on his Nike shoes for the away mission, I think I am going to puke a little.
tell Romulus first, THEN when they know you're around go on to become a hero!
If anything, it's not minimalistic enough.
tell Romulus first, THEN when they know you're around go on to become a hero!
Assuming they'd let him. I recall countless situations wherein a character did something similar, then had their vessel/object/whatever taken away and placed in the hands of someone the ruling body considered to be more responsible [regardless of whether or not they really were, or simply dumb crapheads..] then said ruling body just turns around, gives the guy "thanks" and carries on as if he didn't matter to begin with... I find it's a similar circumstance to when a kid tries to do the RIGHT thing, and an adult shuns him or her's ideas simply because 'hey, it's a kid, it doesn't know anything!' I've actually been in a similar situation when I was a kid... I don't recall much about it, but I do recall being pissed off enough to smack the teacher across the face, flip my desk over and march out of class... xD or something like that... I know I caused a big ruckus at any rate!!
tell Romulus first, THEN when they know you're around go on to become a hero!
Assuming they'd let him. I recall countless situations wherein a character did something similar, then had their vessel/object/whatever taken away and placed in the hands of someone the ruling body considered to be more responsible [regardless of whether or not they really were, or simply dumb crapheads..] then said ruling body just turns around, gives the guy "thanks" and carries on as if he didn't matter to begin with... I find it's a similar circumstance to when a kid tries to do the RIGHT thing, and an adult shuns him or her's ideas simply because 'hey, it's a kid, it doesn't know anything!' I've actually been in a similar situation when I was a kid... I don't recall much about it, but I do recall being pissed off enough to smack the teacher across the face, flip my desk over and march out of class... xD or something like that... I know I caused a big ruckus at any rate!!
*ahem*
So that bridge is SO not minimalistic. And Senator actually said so:If anything, it's not minimalistic enough.
So BLEH.
Did you see that ship? They'd be morons to try and stop him.
Did you see that ship? They'd be morons to try and stop him.
Not the point. All they have to do is call him and some/most of his crew down to the imperial high command thing for a meeting, arrest them and charge them for committing acts of terrorism and hal a thousand others without authorization from the imperial high command and POO! Arrest them all on the spot. Seen it done. Is amusing.
How do they learn to operate a ship from so far in the future with technology they've never seen? :P
How do they learn to operate a ship from so far in the future with technology they've never seen? :P
How do they learn to operate a ship from so far in the future with technology they've never seen? :P
How did Chronoworks disassemble Braxton's ship and use its' technology to slowly but surely invent personal computing on earth?
Considering it took roughly 30 years to just about get personal computing (I think, I can never quite remember the exact details of every eipsode now can I :P), thats your answer there isn't it?
Are we going to skip over the fact that Spock literally sat down and operated a ship that technologically advanced?
As Kirk climbs out of the shuttle on Delta Vega, his back-pack reads, "NCC-1701-D," a reference to Picard's Enterprise.
'Cause this story doesn't make sense unless you read a comic most moviegoers didn't even hear about ... Alas, we got the "must read the comic to make even a little sense", more-of-the-same-but-now-in-MTV-style version. Which is why I'm still not happy with this movie, and never will be.amen!
Yea, maybe not the same thing, but.. something along those lines. It would be interesting to see the federation reduced to a resistance movement.
Either way, Nero didn't have what he needed to exact his revenge on Vulcan.
LENS FLARES: THE MOVIE
Why on Earth did JJ Abrams turn Star Trek into a two-hour commercial for lens flare plugins? I have to admit, upon my second viewing of the film I found this visual motif to be highly distracting and irritating. Flares, reflections and luminous ghosts simply appear everywhere, even without any obvious sources. The reason? JJ wanted a visual metaphor that stated ?we have a bright future ahead of us.? No, I?m not making this up.
eh that doesn't seem right at all....
The new connie is about 750m long apparently. It's longer than the Sov and has more internal space than a Galaxy.
indeed - a few more failures of the movie, IMOeh that doesn't seem right at all....Neither did the fact that the Kelvin had 800 people aboard and was supposdly smaller then the new Enterprise.
Both those ships seem bigger on the inside somehow.
we don't know why the Kelvin had 800 crew... they could have been transporting people to some colony at the time...
How big is the Kelvin compared to a 747? A 747 at max can hold about 500 people....
I'd liked to have seen an alternative timeline where the federation falls in an alternative, changed timeline, and how would this have affected the characters we knew. 'Cause this story doesn't make sense unless you read a comic most moviegoers didn't even hear about, and even then the plotholes aren't really repaired, they merely have some planks over them so you don't break your ankle in them. Might have as well gone for something radically different - if the whole point of creating an alternative timeline was to have total freedom to do what you want, why go for a slightly different federation? I say, tear it down, bring on chaos and destruction, and see how our previously optimistic heroes fare in this totally different setting. Alas, we got the "must read the comic to make even a little sense", more-of-the-same-but-now-in-MTV-style version. Which is why I'm still not happy with this movie, and never will be.
I'd liked to have seen an alternative timeline where the federation falls in an alternative, changed timeline, and how would this have affected the characters we knew. 'Cause this story doesn't make sense unless you read a comic most moviegoers didn't even hear about, and even then the plotholes aren't really repaired, they merely have some planks over them so you don't break your ankle in them. Might have as well gone for something radically different - if the whole point of creating an alternative timeline was to have total freedom to do what you want, why go for a slightly different federation? I say, tear it down, bring on chaos and destruction, and see how our previously optimistic heroes fare in this totally different setting. Alas, we got the "must read the comic to make even a little sense", more-of-the-same-but-now-in-MTV-style version. Which is why I'm still not happy with this movie, and never will be.
That's already been done. It's called the Mirror Universe. I think they changed enough. If they did what you are proposing, it would not have been Star Trek at all.
Hopefully when JJ (if he does) makes the next film, he'll have learnt a few lessons and made it more...Trek. Hopefully.
Oook.. so the mirror universe has been done, whereas this.. :D
I got news for you, pal. The story where Kirk, Spock, and the gang merrily go on where no one has gone before has already been done. I wasn't proposing to do the same thing as the mirror universe, but even if I was, those few episodes can't really compare to 5 series worth of establishing one timeline - it wasn't covered all that much for it not to be interesting. And if you're reinventing everything, why not really go different, not just same ol' with the old trek feeling gone.
Like it or noti'll choose "not" lol
We're talking about an advanced society that powers it's ships with matter/anti-matter reactors, and has technologies like teleportation. I don't care if it's TOS era or TNG era, such a society MUST be able to power a ship that's 700m long - that's not an issue for me.
What is an issue is that someone goes back in time, destroys the Kelvin, and 25 years later the constitution class has doubled in size? What's wrong with this picture..
Like it or noti'll choose "not" lol
Like it or noti'll choose "not" lol
Then I feel for you. Being a Trek fan going forward will be pretty uneventful. I don't care for the change of direction, and would rather they had been imaginative, and actually written a good movie post-nemesis. There was a lot of art in this film, but no creative substance to speak of. *****SPOILER*****I mean, the Enterprise escapes the black hole by ejecting the warp core?*****SPOILER***** Now THAT'S never been done before. They're wrapping old ideas in a shiny new wrapper. The next film needs a real, original plot that has not been done a thousand times.
Dammit, there goes that bit of suspense. And sarcasm never translates well on interwebs.
Dalek, this thread is going to have spoilers in it. The thread title says it all.as Kirk mentioned, the title contains "WARNING: SPOILERS" in all caps, in the title...
hmm IMO I would match the two ships shuttle bay doors to get the size...
hmm IMO I would match the two ships shuttle bay doors to get the size...
Not the best idea since the shuttlebay of the new E is pretty big compared to the 1701 and the A, what with the "racks" of shuttles.
Spock or any other Volcan didn't raise their eyebrow like they did in ST1,2,3,4,5,6 etc. etc. etc. also I had that strange feeling I'm looking at young Tuvok :?
Alternate universe WTF JJ ?!?!?!? :shock: so what now ? consider old school Trek never happened ?! :shock:No, it still happened. Old Spock is proof of that.
old Spock's vessel was making the same noise as gen. Grievous wheel pod seen on Utapau when he was escaping Obi-Wan :PI liked that noise.
Enterprise phasers looked more like turbolaser barrage yet it was cool :DIndeed it was.
A WINDOW instead of viewscreen !!!???About time :)
Engineering was strangely big for considerably small section to fit in (not to mention space for cargo holds and shuttlebay/hangar)We don't have deckplans, yet ;)
Kelvin shuttlebay was about 2 times wider inside than on the outside, you could clearly see it when evac shuttles were leaving...Considering how awesome Captain Robau is, more power to him.
Also I like new look of Romulans, those tatoos and everything tho Nero was poor captain...You should read the Countdown comics, everything is explained there.
The problem with that movie... is well... where do i start!?
As a stand alone movie it would have been good. Calling it star trek was bad. Simple fact was that it WASN'T trek. It didnt have any of the standard trek values, it indulged only a small part of star trek lore, and there was way too much humour in it.
The major problem was that they made it a movie for the masses, thats a problem because you have to dumb it down for people that havnt seen the original series, they however tried to incorporate elements of classic trek into it to make it relate with the original fans which just came off looking like it was trying too hard. A lot of the classic lines just came off as being either silly or missplaced. (In particular the line old Spock says to kirk seconds after he meets him -"I have been and always shall be, your friend." It simply sounded jarring with the scene.)
The ship's weapons were too much like that of a battleship than a ship of exploration (the hundreds of phaser cannons....) They still havnt fixed the problem of scale.... the ship looks much too small on the outside to house all the equipment that they showed inside of it.
The fight scenes had the same modern day look of 'the-camera-guy-was-on-crack-that-day'. which is completly anti typical of trek movies.
As far as the Characters go.... Spock was good but showed too much emotion. (way too much) Uhura was far too much of a bad girl instead of acting like a a junior officer. Chekov's accent was over the top, and Sulu seemed to take on the roll of security gaurd rather than helmsman/weapons officer. Of special mention i think should be Scotty, (simon pegg) I think he did a excellent job in his role and did very well as a serious character especially considering his previous satirical movie roles.
Now dont get me wrong, I thought all of the actors did an exceptional job in their particular roles. They just had a very bad script to work with. Overall a lot of the dialogue seemed missplaced and awkward and some of the concepts seemed very silly and at odds with established Trek.
All in all i think it would have been a very good movie if it had been given a different name and some of the dialogue had been changed. As a trek movie it came off as being half assed and very bad Nemesis remake. It had just the right amount of comedy for a movie, but far too much for a Trek movie and it came off as making the crew seem silly and unproffesional.
For those of you that argue "its a re-imagining", thats fine.. but why would you bother? Star trek was a powerful show at the time because it had moral messages wrapped in genuine science fiction concepts put into a tv show with strong and charismatic characters that the audience could relate to. To remake something that was such a original concept is just... pointless... you loose everything in the remake that was so special about the original.
I personally think Roddenberry would be renouncing his involvement in trek if he had been alive to see this. Thats my 2cents anyway. I would like to hear more feedback on this.
The problem with that movie... is well... where do i start!?
As a stand alone movie it would have been good. Calling it star trek was bad. Simple fact was that it WASN'T trek. It didnt have any of the standard trek values, it indulged only a small part of star trek lore, and there was way too much humour in it.
The major problem was that they made it a movie for the masses, thats a problem because you have to dumb it down for people that havnt seen the original series, they however tried to incorporate elements of classic trek into it to make it relate with the original fans which just came off looking like it was trying too hard. A lot of the classic lines just came off as being either silly or missplaced. (In particular the line old Spock says to kirk seconds after he meets him -"I have been and always shall be, your friend." It simply sounded jarring with the scene.)
The ship's weapons were too much like that of a battleship than a ship of exploration (the hundreds of phaser cannons....) They still havnt fixed the problem of scale.... the ship looks much too small on the outside to house all the equipment that they showed inside of it.
The fight scenes had the same modern day look of 'the-camera-guy-was-on-crack-that-day'. which is completly anti typical of trek movies.
As far as the Characters go.... Spock was good but showed too much emotion. (way too much) Uhura was far too much of a bad girl instead of acting like a a junior officer. Chekov's accent was over the top, and Sulu seemed to take on the roll of security gaurd rather than helmsman/weapons officer. Of special mention i think should be Scotty, (simon pegg) I think he did a excellent job in his role and did very well as a serious character especially considering his previous satirical movie roles.
Now dont get me wrong, I thought all of the actors did an exceptional job in their particular roles. They just had a very bad script to work with. Overall a lot of the dialogue seemed missplaced and awkward and some of the concepts seemed very silly and at odds with established Trek.
All in all i think it would have been a very good movie if it had been given a different name and some of the dialogue had been changed. As a trek movie it came off as being half assed and very bad Nemesis remake. It had just the right amount of comedy for a movie, but far too much for a Trek movie and it came off as making the crew seem silly and unproffesional.
For those of you that argue "its a re-imagining", thats fine.. but why would you bother? Star trek was a powerful show at the time because it had moral messages wrapped in genuine science fiction concepts put into a tv show with strong and charismatic characters that the audience could relate to. To remake something that was such a original concept is just... pointless... you loose everything in the remake that was so special about the original.
I personally think Roddenberry would be renouncing his involvement in trek if he had been alive to see this. Thats my 2cents anyway. I would like to hear more feedback on this.
You should read the Countdown comics, everything is explained there.
Well folks JJ said it best, he didnt want to be burdened with 40 years of way too much baggage. And too much humor? C'mon. You're supposed to enjoy this film...
As a stand alone movie it would have been good. Calling it star trek was bad. Simple fact was that it WASN'T trek. It didnt have any of the standard trek values, it indulged only a small part of star trek lore, and there was way too much humour in it.
The major problem was that they made it a movie for the masses, thats a problem because you have to dumb it down for people that havnt seen the original series, they however tried to incorporate elements of classic trek into it to make it relate with the original fans which just came off looking like it was trying too hard. A lot of the classic lines just came off as being either silly or missplaced. (In particular the line old Spock says to kirk seconds after he meets him -"I have been and always shall be, your friend." It simply sounded jarring with the scene.)
The ship's weapons were too much like that of a battleship than a ship of exploration (the hundreds of phaser cannons....) They still havnt fixed the problem of scale.... the ship looks much too small on the outside to house all the equipment that they showed inside of it.Well it'S supposed to be 800metres long. As for the warship stuff: Well shit changed. Simple as that.
The fight scenes had the same modern day look of 'the-camera-guy-was-on-crack-that-day'. which is completly anti typical of trek movies.Didn't care for the shaky-cam much either, but that's films nowadays. It'S not a problem with this movie but with film-making in general.
As far as the Characters go.... Spock was good but showed too much emotion. (way too much) Uhura was far too much of a bad girl instead of acting like a a junior officer. Chekov's accent was over the top, and Sulu seemed to take on the roll of security gaurd rather than helmsman/weapons officer. Of special mention i think should be Scotty, (simon pegg) I think he did a excellent job in his role and did very well as a serious character especially considering his previous satirical movie roles.
Now dont get me wrong, I thought all of the actors did an exceptional job in their particular roles. They just had a very bad script to work with. Overall a lot of the dialogue seemed missplaced and awkward and some of the concepts seemed very silly and at odds with established Trek.Established Trak became stale almost 10 years ago. Glad it's gone.
All in all i think it would have been a very good movie if it had been given a different name and some of the dialogue had been changed. As a trek movie it came off as being half assed and very bad Nemesis remake. It had just the right amount of comedy for a movie, but far too much for a Trek movie and it came off as making the crew seem silly and unproffesional.Re-watch TOS. It had so much humor it was (almost) campy.
For those of you that argue "its a re-imagining", thats fine.. but why would you bother? Star trek was a powerful show at the time because it had moral messages wrapped in genuine science fiction concepts put into a tv show with strong and charismatic characters that the audience could relate to. To remake something that was such a original concept is just... pointless... you loose everything in the remake that was so special about the original.
*threads merged*
btw - this is not a debate/post-nitpick thread...
edit - please allow me to elaborate...
healthy debating and exchanging of ideas and views is perfectly ok, so long as it is respectful and mature and not heated... already in this thread several times did people get heated and then start arguing and getting riled up...
also, please avoid nitpicking like every sentence someone posts, and commenting/debating with like every sentence someone posts...
respectfully and politely debating and arguing are two different things, i really would rather no one argue... and i would rather there be no sarcastic or snotty tones when addressing each other...
You had the chance to see this yet Jimmy? Sorry, I'm too lazy to go back and read all this crap since my last post. :mrgreen:heya! ya i did see it... ill find where i posted how i felt about it some pages back...
well, my bf (who is also a major trek fan) thought it was awesome and wants to see it again...
me, i dunno... it was ok, i guess... it had every element i thought it would have; it was a little cheesy here and there, it was a little over the top, a little too fast-paced, too many "close calls", very much Hollywoodized, and there were a number of things i kinda didnt like about it...
but the movie overall was ok... i wasnt very disappointed, but i wasnt very impressed either... if this is the road Star Trek is going to be going on from now on, i just don't think i'll be a big fan of this "new timeline" and all the drastic changes in it...
i'd give it a 6/10 personally...
another friend of mine was supposed to go with us, but couldnt make it at the last minute, i would have liked to hear his review since he knows absolutely nothing about anything-Trek...
the movie wasnt all bad, there were some things that irked me... when did Romulans start tattooing their faces, anyway? there were some really unTrek-like factors (i guess that was the writers intentions?), it didnt feel all that familiar to me... and i would have never guessed Kirk was into The Beastie Boys lol but that's just the "sell-out" factor modern movies are laced with, to appeal to the generic audience they are targeting... oh, and the product placements lol also, i didnt really dig the whole Spock-Uhura thing; that and all the other things that are just so very unlike anything original Trek was... and unless i misunderstood something, Kirk was a cadet and was promoted to first officer? huh? a cadet to first officer just like that? and then given command, surpassing all the other higher ranking officers? (did i misunderstand something?) there were a number of things i spotted that were just a little unrealistic... (i wont list all of them lol most of them have already been said anyway)
i dunno, im just not a fan of this whole new thing... im sure ill see the sequel anyway, im just not particularly enthusiastic about this whole thing; thats just how i feel...
as far as the poll, i'd go with "It was ok. I wasn't thrilled, but I wasn't disappointed either." i feel completely in the middle...
i am so getting sick of hearing "oh ya, that was explained in the comic book!" why on earth should reading a comic book be a prerequisite or whatever to understanding the movie? maybe they should have had an announcement in the beginning of the movie to the audience to read it so they understand the movie itself and all the confusing quirks...
another major weak point in writing of this movie... a movie should not need a comic book to explain many details and confusions, it should actually be the other way around...
Hey there, Sparky, long time no see.good to see ya again! :D i started thinking you didnt like us anymore or that you were too cool for us these days :P
I suppose the fact that it turned the Enterprise into a Galaxy class starship?
I don't know who are the ones who came up with the size chart but that is completely wrong....
the windows and other sections of the ship would be completely off scale.
I suppose the fact that it turned the Enterprise into a Galaxy class starship?Yes, BUT. If the Enterprise A is so big, imagine how big a Galaxy class starship in the JJverse is going to be! :P
The JJPrise is roughly the same size as the TOS Enterprise. Its kinda easy to tell how big it is.
Once again, I say that I don't believe the TMP Enterprise is as small as it's made out to be, otherwise crew members walking on the top deck of the saucer rim would have windows at their feet.
EDIT: Paramount's thinking big. They're predicting $400 million worldwide by the end of the theatrical run. :shock:
I suppose the fact that it turned the Enterprise into a Galaxy class starship?imagine how big a Galaxy class starship in the JJverse is going to be! :P
I don't know who are the ones who came up with the size chart but that is completely wrong....
the windows and other sections of the ship would be completely off scale.
Well they got the length from a person from the production.
Memory alpha runs six supposedly backscreen lengths. 725m, 600m, 900m or 760m.
The most plausible is 760m from http://www.experience-the-enterprise.com/ww/
Also, the windows are barely large enough to be individually resolved, so I have no doubts about a 760m length, given the size of interior sets and the shuttles. http://screenrant.com/new-star-trek-movie-uss-enterprise-vic-4205/
Hell would literally have to freeze over before I believe it to be over 700 meters in length.
Paul Mcgillion should've been Scotty all along, but instead he got a bit part in the new movie, some instructor at the academy, handing out assignments.
BOO!!! HISSS!!!! HERESY!!!! *throws toaster*
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BOO!!! HISSS!!!! HERESY!!!! *throws toaster*
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He's a far better Scot than Simon Pegg!
Blaxxer: "No, it still happened. Old Spock is proof of that."
And since he has not been erased from existence, as has been the case before when someone screws with the past, that means the "prime" Trek is still running alongside the new one. That'll be useful for ongoing original universe projects, like Star Trek: Titan. Might even help them. The aftermath of the destruction of Romulus in the normal timeline might make for some good stories.
Ok, I just watched it again. There was a conversation on the bridge of the E Where they admitted that the moment the Narada came back in time (in front of the Kelvin) it created an alternate timeline. So this is the trek we know, and it isn't. It isn't in respect that this is a completely different timeline and as such gives the screenwriter free reign to completely redo the entire trek timeline from TOS on. But it is in a sense that the main command crew are the same characters. BTW, did anybody catch the name of the admiral who's dog scotty beamed? Admiral Archer ??????????
Ok, I just watched it again. There was a conversation on the bridge of the E Where they admitted that the moment the Narada came back in time (in front of the Kelvin) it created an alternate timeline. So this is the trek we know, and it isn't. It isn't in respect that this is a completely different timeline and as such gives the screenwriter free reign to completely redo the entire trek timeline from TOS on. But it is in a sense that the main command crew are the same characters. BTW, did anybody catch the name of the admiral who's dog scotty beamed? Admiral Archer ??????????
I hate to say this cause I just KNOW somebody's going to take offense and break out the torches and pitchforks...but Simon Pegg was a better Scotty than James Doohan. I'll always love him, God rest his soul, but he was a Canadian playing a Scotsman with a predominantly Irish accent.
Yes, it was a beagle, just like Porthos, although it is highly unlikely that Porthos was still alive after nearly a century.
Nah, scotty has and always will be a comic relief character and simply cannot be played by someone who mostly does serious acting.I hate to say this cause I just KNOW somebody's going to take offense and break out the torches and pitchforks...but Simon Pegg was a better Scotty than James Doohan. I'll always love him, God rest his soul, but he was a Canadian playing a Scotsman with a predominantly Irish accent.
And Paul Mcgillion (whom many agreed with), would've been the perfect Scotty. Why? Well, first off he has the capability to both be serious and funny (often at the same time). The guy is actually FROM Scotland, and his scottish accent is flawless. You should see this actor in Stargate: Atlantis, and you'll understand. His character in Stargate was more reminescent of ole' Doc McCoy, but he regularly performed "miracle work" on the show as well as acting out both humourously and seriously.
i thought the Scotty character was too obvious, dumbed down and slapstick for comicedic placement and funny-ha-ha one liners...
a little bit too obvious, it was akin to jar jar IMO :P
nothing against the actor, thats the writers faults...
What do you guys think for the sequel? I hope to god they don't do Khan. I'd personally like to see the Romulan commander from Balance of Terror come into play. After all, he did say to Kirk, "You and I are of a kind. In another reality, I could have called you friend." Well, we're in another reality. ;)pls lets save the sequel ideas/discussion/guesses for a later date and a different thread... :)
interesting except that deck 2 and up would be part of the bridge deck....Nothing to say each deck has to be exactly the same height. I think it looks plausible.
If you downsize that ship diagram so that 2 decks become 1 deck, then it's length becomes a more manageable 362.5 meters, only slightly bigger than the TMP Enterprise. Which would also make the shuttlebay area 2 decks tall (like the TMP Connie), and the deflector assembly fits nicely within 1 deck.Grasping at straws. The shuttlebay looked about that many decks high compared to the shuttles, and the windows match up pretty well, what more do you want?
I find it hard to believe that the JJ Connie is more than twice it's TMP counterpart. Simply lowering the deck count from 32 to 16, makes the ship about the size of an Intrepid Class. Ofcourse, most of the windows wouldn't quite match that diagram then, but it wouldn't be the first time Star Trek's internal and external appearances arent a 100% match, now would it?
Wiley was working on a version of the Narada, though if I remember right, he put it on hold to work on his other projectsaka.......I gave up for the time being. I like that pic showing the Kelvin-Reliant.
But I did notice that they're just Kelvin bashses. All of them are except the Enterprise... Slightly interesting.
I'd wager it's a pretty important detail for future models and reference, Jimmy. ;) After all, most of us have given our two cents on the movie, and we need something to talk about! :lol:i hear ya, i was just joking around lol
I thought it was all perfectly in character for Scotty. Plus I love that Simon Pegg ad-libbed the "Can I get a towel?" line.
I thought it was all perfectly in character for Scotty. Plus I love that Simon Pegg ad-libbed the "Can I get a towel?" line.
Where did you find that out?
I thought it was all perfectly in character for Scotty. Plus I love that Simon Pegg ad-libbed the "Can I get a towel?" line.
Where did you find that out?
Zachary Quinto mentioned it in an interview. He said they had to cut after that because he was laughing so hard. :P
apart from that, Schneider's reasoning about Trek XI and the nuENT is pretty much incoherent rambling about how he does not like it.
apart from that, Schneider's reasoning about Trek XI and the nuENT is pretty much incoherent rambling about how he does not like it.
An unfortunate side-effect when you try to get more people into Trek. Half are happy with it, the other half start riots. :P
Damn fundamentalists everywhere. If everybody was drunk and relaxed we wouldnt have such problems.
/rant
Yeah, shame there aren't more detailed sites like his that are more fact and less opinion.
Here's a pic of the Quantum Mechanix model, officially licensed by Paramount. Nevermind the "Drooping Nacelle Syndrome" on the model.
Yeah, shame there aren't more detailed sites like his that are more fact and less opinion.
Here's a pic of the Quantum Mechanix model, officially licensed by Paramount. Nevermind the "Drooping Nacelle Syndrome" on the model.
Yeah, shame there aren't more detailed sites like his that are more fact and less opinion.
Here's a pic of the Quantum Mechanix model, officially licensed by Paramount. Nevermind the "Drooping Nacelle Syndrome" on the model.
Highlights of Orci & Kurtzman May 18-20 Q&A
* Open to TNG character in sequel (if done ?organically?)
* 10,000 surviving Vulcans does NOT count off-worlders
* Vulcan?s red sky (was) seasonal
* SpockPrime will adhere to a ?Temporal Prime Directive? to minimize introducing future tech into new timeline
* Enterprise being built at Riverside Iowa Shipyard to ?commemorate the sacrifice? of George Kirk
* New timeline still bound to canon events that took place in the prime timeline (like Botany Bay, V?Ger, etc)
* Spock Prime?s viewing of the destruction of Vulcan was cinematic license and ?impressionistic? and could have involved a telescope or other device
* No ?canon? explanation for what Nero and crew were doing for 25 years between Kirk?s birth and arrival of Spock Prime, open to ?fan fiction?
* The Admiral Archer mentioned by Scotty is the same Jonathan Archer from Enterprise (and Enterprise is part of new timeline)
* The attack on the Narada put Winona Kirk into labor preventing Kirk from being born in Iowa (as in the Prime timeline)
* Inconsistencies between film and "Countdown" can be explained that the comic is not canon
* Keenser was in Starfleet while on Delta Vega, just like Scotty
* Paramount expected to make the script available (checking on this)
* Kid on road (?Johnny?) was "originally meant to be" Kirk?s brother George Jr. and "still could be"
* There?s money, or some kind of credit system in this universe
* The second ?lightning storm? referred to in the film was created when SpockPrime?s jellyfish arrived back in time
* Bridge viewscreen changed to window/HUD to justify the bridge?s placement atop the ship instead of in a more secure location
* Damon Lindelof contributed ?a lot? to the story of Star Trek
* Lindelof will be ?breaking the story? with Bob and Alex on sequel, Bob and Alex will write final screenplay
* Survivors and telemetry from Narada attack on Kelvin exposed Federation to Romulans (explaining why Kirk knows about Romulans and so film does not violate canon of "Balance of Terror")
* Although ?Prime? is used to distinguigh Nimoy?s Spock, the team have no name for the new timeline
* Star Trek wiki Memory Alpha was an ?invaluable resource?
* New Stardates work by taking the year (as in 2233), with the month and day expressed as a decimal point from .1 to .365 (as in the 365 days of the year)
Highlights of Orci & Kurtzman May 18-20 Q&ABoo! Hiss!
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* There?s money, or some kind of credit system in this universe
Highlights of Orci & Kurtzman May 18-20 Q&A
* The Admiral Archer mentioned by Scotty is the same Jonathan Archer from Enterprise (and Enterprise is part of new timeline)
QuoteHighlights of Orci & Kurtzman May 18-20 Q&ABoo! Hiss!
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* There?s money, or some kind of credit system in this universe
QuoteHighlights of Orci & Kurtzman May 18-20 Q&ABoo! Hiss!
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* There?s money, or some kind of credit system in this universe
And the problem being?
Star Trek IV: Gillian: "I guess you don't have money in the 23rd century?" - Kirk: "Well we don't."
Star Trek VI: McCoy: "Maybe it's a retirement party?" - Scotty: "That suits me, I just bought a boat."
Do you see where i'm going with this?
"The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives; we work to better ourselves and the rest of society."
Quote"The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives; we work to better ourselves and the rest of society."
ya know that doesn't really say that money isn't used... it just says it isn't a driving force.... meaning the first priority.
The problem is, almost everything else sucks badly, particularly the weakest story I've seen in a movie in a long time. I really don't care if the new enterprise is twice as big as the old one, or if it's got multiple cores, or if they have money this time around - at least that would make sense for a change. But a faster then light supernova that wipes out the romulans, the main villain who blames the romulan's bitter enemies ambassador for not saving their butts instead of fixing the problem in the past now that he has the chance, Earth not having a single fighter, orbital defense installation, or anything except Enterprise that can snap a mining cable in two, and many more "pearls", that's just weak. Rationalize it all you want, but this story is simply lacking every step of the way. I don't mind if someone says "well, I liked it, I shut off my brain and watched the pretty CGI and the funny characters" - fair enough. What I find annoying is when people want to like this thing but don't want to admit that the story was weak, so they come up with incredibly stretched, far fetched explanations (supported by a comic, no less) to make it "work".amen!
You had nice, honest fun with a brainless flick - fair enough. We all have the right to kick back, offline the brain and enjoy something like this sometimes. Just don't start convincing others that the movie is smart.. it's ok to like a dumb action flick and get dazzled by pretty CGI every now and then, doesn't make you superficial - no need to go to extreme lengths to cover for this movie's bad story.
No, that's not this trek's problem - at least I don't care about that. The major selling point of this trek is the new characters - "look, we recast these iconic characters and it works". Indeed it does. The problem is, almost everything else sucks badly, particularly the weakest story I've seen in a movie in a long time. I really don't care if the new enterprise is twice as big as the old one, or if it's got multiple cores, or if they have money this time around - at least that would make sense for a change. But a faster then light supernova that wipes out the romulans, the main villain who blames the romulan's bitter enemies ambassador for not saving their butts instead of fixing the problem in the past now that he has the chance, Earth not having a single fighter, orbital defense installation, or anything except Enterprise that can snap a mining cable in two, and many more "pearls", that's just weak. Rationalize it all you want, but this story is simply lacking every step of the way. I don't mind if someone says "well, I liked it, I shut off my brain and watched the pretty CGI and the funny characters" - fair enough. What I find annoying is when people want to like this thing but don't want to admit that the story was weak, so they come up with incredibly stretched, far fetched explanations (supported by a comic, no less) to make it "work".
You had nice, honest fun with a brainless flick - fair enough. We all have the right to kick back, offline the brain and enjoy something like this sometimes. Just don't start convincing others that the movie is smart.. it's ok to like a dumb action flick and get dazzled by pretty CGI every now and then, doesn't make you superficial - no need to go to extreme lengths to cover for this movie's bad story.
Anyways, I'm not worried for Trek. If it survived Star Trek V, it can survive anything ;)
I'm going to make a note about the notes on the previous page from the writer people.
Okay, so they've officially clarified that Enterprise is canon.
Which therefore means the 2nd series episode 'Regeneration' is canon
Which therefore means that at some point the time line must sort itself out to allow for the crew of the Enterprise D/E to come together in a ship of the exact same design with the exact same weapons in order for the E to blow up the sphere in order to allow the fragments to spread into the north pole or w/e.
So therefore, the time line must sort itself out at some point so that TNG/DS9/VOY are still canon.
Apparently the concept of co-existing, parallel timelines is too much for some people to comprehend.
No, the timeline was, as it always were until the narada came through the singularity and f***ed everything up.
ENT is, was, and has always been, canon.
Onscreen (live-action) = canon.
It's simple, really.
QuoteNo, the timeline was, as it always were until the narada came through the singularity and fucked everything up.
ENT is, was, and has always been, canon.
Onscreen (live-action) = canon.
It's simple, really.
However some fans do not view it as canon (Especially the episode stated =P), now, basically, that episode is evidence that at some point the timeline un-fucks itself and TNG/DS9/VOY continue as normal.
Nope.QuoteNo, the timeline was, as it always were until the narada came through the singularity and f***ed everything up.
ENT is, was, and has always been, canon.
Onscreen (live-action) = canon.
It's simple, really.
However some fans do not view it as canon (Especially the episode stated =P), now, basically, that episode is evidence that at some point the timeline un-f***s itself and TNG/DS9/VOY continue as normal.
vulgarity censored...
lets please hold off on sequel ideas and discussions... it is way too early to begin a whole speculative conversation about that...
sometime in the future, when more info about the sequel is released, we can go into a whole discussion about that :)
On the note of sequel ideas, since the Narada had Borg technology, isn't it possible that some of the remains that got sucked into the black hole survived and still remain functional? What if the Borg reclaimed the debris? And what if they tracked it back to the Federation?
Where I'm going is...
Kirk versus the Borg? :D
Yes but the writers also plastered 'Official Movie Prequel' all over the back, which makes it an official release, which makes it canon.
Huh, thought I posted that, well here it is again:
http://www.ryanchurch.com/images/startrek1/ENTERPRISEexteriorBEAUTY1.jpg
Was this a comic only thing (something I had no idea about before seeing the movie, way to promote it!) :(exactly... it is getting tiresome to hear "but the comics explain that perfectly!" time and time again...
Nevermind.. just read the comics. :)apparently now we all have to, that havent yet...
They would have been a better movie on their own than this one was :)somehow, i think that would prolly be correct...
The viewscreen: Actually has a frigging purpose now! I mean, it displays data for the first time...since EVER.
Yes but the writers also plastered 'Official Movie Prequel' all over the back, which makes it an official release, which makes it canon.
I think they should do something that explains the Borg tech onscreen though, because really, even in the 24th century, Romulan ships aren't that big...though, the Borg thing really kinda shone through with all the green glows all inside the thing.
Remember folks: Movies should have internal consistency with itself. Period. If you want everything explained, two-hours are not long enough for that, plus it'd be fanwank.
If you want everything explained, two-hours are not long enough for that, plus it'd be fanwank.on the flipside, to leave out such obvious important things that the storyline requires for alot the movie to make sense is poor quality writing...
If you want everything explained, two-hours are not long enough for that, plus it'd be fanwank.on the flipside, to leave out such obvious important things that the storyline requires for alot the movie to make sense is poor quality writing...
there are too many things "answered/explained in the comics!" and thats just ridiculous...
If you want everything explained, two-hours are not long enough for that, plus it'd be fanwank.on the flipside, to leave out such obvious important things that the storyline requires for alot the movie to make sense is poor quality writing...
there are too many things "answered/explained in the comics!" and thats just ridiculous...
Also, when listening to the cadet assignments again, one poor cadet got assigned to Regula One. That'd kinda suck. Fleet-wide red alert and you get stuck to a space station in the middle of frickin nowhere.
My guess: Christmas
The bit where George Kirk and...Mrs Kirk (does she actually have a first name?) are saying there last words to each other as the Kelvin is about to smash into the Narada...that hooked me completely.
The only questions that I think are unanswered are just little nitpicky things like how the Narada got to be that flipping huge, Borg tech or no Borg tech.
Again why should we have to read a comic to have the film make sense?
The Constitution class was conceived by a team of designers led by Janice Newfield, a brilliant engineer and visionary. The project was at the conceptual stage in 2232 and was targeted to have working products in 10 years time. While working on improving the USS Kelvin's engines in 2233, the ship was attacked by an unknown Romulan ship. Janice was killed when a bulkhead near her was destroyed and she was sucked out into space.
When Janice died, the project was put on hold for a decade until a very bright engineering student (who, in the original timeline, many years later, oversaw the Constitution refit) named Tsi Sang helped restart the project submitting his own unique changes that were never included by the original designer, Janice Newfield (this is why the ship is more advanced looking in the movie). The project was restarted in 2244 under Sang's supervision.
The 17xx registry number set was held for the Constitution class, the prototype, the USS Constitution - 1700, tested in 2252 had many issues, while most were resolved a structural support issue could not be, so the ship was decommissioned in 2253. Sang resolved the structural issue and all the other issues and Starfleet decided to build the next Constitution (1701) on Earth where it could give the structure better gravity stress tests.
Starfleet was so impressed with this new ship that they made the first one (The Enterprise) the flagship and assigned veteran captain Chris Pike as it's commander. The Enterprise was so new in fact, that only few Starfleet personal were trained in her systems. Realizing this, Starfleet Academy started to train its students on these new systems in 2257, so by 2258 many of the older academy students could be a part of the Enterprise's crew.
According to Janice's logs it was always her intention for the first production Constitution to be named the Enterprise after the famous pre-Federation ship from the mid 22nd century. Starfleet did, respectfully, name the first production ship (1701), Enterprise even though Sang wanted the name to be The USS Yorktown.
Again why should we have to read a comic to have the film make sense?indeed - back to that question yet again...
Here's a excerpt from, I believe the book, that explains the Enterprise looking so different.QuoteThe Constitution class was conceived by a team of designers led by Janice Newfield, a brilliant engineer and visionary. The project was at the conceptual stage in 2232 and was targeted to have working products in 10 years time. While working on improving the USS Kelvin's engines in 2233, the ship was attacked by an unknown Romulan ship. Janice was killed when a bulkhead near her was destroyed and she was sucked out into space.
When Janice died, the project was put on hold for a decade until a very bright engineering student (who, in the original timeline, many years later, oversaw the Constitution refit) named Tsi Sang helped restart the project submitting his own unique changes that were never included by the original designer, Janice Newfield (this is why the ship is more advanced looking in the movie). The project was restarted in 2244 under Sang's supervision.
The 17xx registry number set was held for the Constitution class, the prototype, the USS Constitution - 1700, tested in 2252 had many issues, while most were resolved a structural support issue could not be, so the ship was decommissioned in 2253. Sang resolved the structural issue and all the other issues and Starfleet decided to build the next Constitution (1701) on Earth where it could give the structure better gravity stress tests.
Starfleet was so impressed with this new ship that they made the first one (The Enterprise) the flagship and assigned veteran captain Chris Pike as it's commander. The Enterprise was so new in fact, that only few Starfleet personal were trained in her systems. Realizing this, Starfleet Academy started to train its students on these new systems in 2257, so by 2258 many of the older academy students could be a part of the Enterprise's crew.
According to Janice's logs it was always her intention for the first production Constitution to be named the Enterprise after the famous pre-Federation ship from the mid 22nd century. Starfleet did, respectfully, name the first production ship (1701), Enterprise even though Sang wanted the name to be The USS Yorktown.
The novelization of the film, written by Alan Dean Foster, shows several expanded sequences including some deleted scenes. In the novel Winona is given an inhibitor that would help delay the birth of James until the Kelvin's return to Earth. However, the impacts to the ship by the Narada's attack cause her to go into early labor. In several instances after Kirk is commissioned by Captain Pike, Kirk is referred to as "Lieutenant Kirk." The novel also further details Nero's motivations for attacking the Federation.
At one point the elder Spock suggests that his meeting with young Kirk on Delta Vega and various other coincidences regarding the Enterprise crew are the result of the timeline attempting to mend itself. After the young Spock resigns command and leaves the bridge, Uhura and Sulu demand to know how Kirk got aboard the Enterprise; Kirk reveals to the bridge crew about the future Spock and what he told Kirk about Nero and how the past had been changed in an attempt to gain their trust. Kirk also tells them about how they cannot tell their Spock about the elder Spock's presence and the bridge crew agrees not to do so. At the end of the book, when the elder Spock speaks to his younger counterpart, the young Spock asks Spock Prime if he might call on him occasionally for advice and Spock Prime agrees, saying "Who better to consult with you than yourself?"
Foster initially refused to do the novelization. The producers flew him to Hollywood to meet with them, the cast, and the director. After having many conversations, Foster accepted the project, rushed to meet deadlines, and had the novel ready for a December 2008 release. Star Trek writers Howard Weinstein and Robert Greenberger mentioned this at the 2009 FarPoint Convention. The novelization also appears to have been written with either a first draft or very early version of the script. Many sequences and dialogues are out of order, missing, or otherwise inconsistent with the film.
The Narada is actually a Borg Pinecone built by little Gummy Bears questing for power. They found Nero after Romulus was destroyed (by a big Coca Cola sweet) and hired him to destroy Vulcan just for the hell of it using bits of a red bouncy ball...
This is in a book! :PindeedQuoteThe Narada is actually a Borg Pinecone built by little Gummy Bears questing for power. They found Nero after Romulus was destroyed (by a big Coca Cola sweet) and hired him to destroy Vulcan just for the hell of it using bits of a red bouncy ball...
That sort of proves Jimmy's point. Yes, it's unbelievable but anything could be made up.
@Nebula's post: Bits in the bold: Well that would've helped immensely in the film.
Here's a excerpt from, I believe the book, that explains the Enterprise looking so different.QuoteThe Constitution class was conceived by a team of designers led by Janice Newfield, a brilliant engineer and visionary. The project was at the conceptual stage in 2232 and was targeted to have working products in 10 years time. While working on improving the USS Kelvin's engines in 2233, the ship was attacked by an unknown Romulan ship. Janice was killed when a bulkhead near her was destroyed and she was sucked out into space.
When Janice died, the project was put on hold for a decade until a very bright engineering student (who, in the original timeline, many years later, oversaw the Constitution refit) named Tsi Sang helped restart the project submitting his own unique changes that were never included by the original designer, Janice Newfield (this is why the ship is more advanced looking in the movie). The project was restarted in 2244 under Sang's supervision.
The 17xx registry number set was held for the Constitution class, the prototype, the USS Constitution - 1700, tested in 2252 had many issues, while most were resolved a structural support issue could not be, so the ship was decommissioned in 2253. Sang resolved the structural issue and all the other issues and Starfleet decided to build the next Constitution (1701) on Earth where it could give the structure better gravity stress tests.
Starfleet was so impressed with this new ship that they made the first one (The Enterprise) the flagship and assigned veteran captain Chris Pike as it's commander. The Enterprise was so new in fact, that only few Starfleet personal were trained in her systems. Realizing this, Starfleet Academy started to train its students on these new systems in 2257, so by 2258 many of the older academy students could be a part of the Enterprise's crew.
According to Janice's logs it was always her intention for the first production Constitution to be named the Enterprise after the famous pre-Federation ship from the mid 22nd century. Starfleet did, respectfully, name the first production ship (1701), Enterprise even though Sang wanted the name to be The USS Yorktown.Here's a excerpt from, I believe the book, that explains the Enterprise looking so different.QuoteThe Constitution class was conceived by a team of designers led by Janice Newfield, a brilliant engineer and visionary. The project was at the conceptual stage in 2232 and was targeted to have working products in 10 years time. While working on improving the USS Kelvin's engines in 2233, the ship was attacked by an unknown Romulan ship. Janice was killed when a bulkhead near her was destroyed and she was sucked out into space.
When Janice died, the project was put on hold for a decade until a very bright engineering student (who, in the original timeline, many years later, oversaw the Constitution refit) named Tsi Sang helped restart the project submitting his own unique changes that were never included by the original designer, Janice Newfield (this is why the ship is more advanced looking in the movie). The project was restarted in 2244 under Sang's supervision.
The 17xx registry number set was held for the Constitution class, the prototype, the USS Constitution - 1700, tested in 2252 had many issues, while most were resolved a structural support issue could not be, so the ship was decommissioned in 2253. Sang resolved the structural issue and all the other issues and Starfleet decided to build the next Constitution (1701) on Earth where it could give the structure better gravity stress tests.
Starfleet was so impressed with this new ship that they made the first one (The Enterprise) the flagship and assigned veteran captain Chris Pike as it's commander. The Enterprise was so new in fact, that only few Starfleet personal were trained in her systems. Realizing this, Starfleet Academy started to train its students on these new systems in 2257, so by 2258 many of the older academy students could be a part of the Enterprise's crew.
According to Janice's logs it was always her intention for the first production Constitution to be named the Enterprise after the famous pre-Federation ship from the mid 22nd century. Starfleet did, respectfully, name the first production ship (1701), Enterprise even though Sang wanted the name to be The USS Yorktown.
Nope, that's a direct quote from the TrekBBS, and it is, while nicely written, completely made up.
Why are you desperately grasping straws to make the movie seem so bad? I don't quite understand...? It's a movie, there's bound to be small things forgotten. Did this really affect you in any way?
So it's partly our fault too. We live in a world where we want everything right now, handed to us on a plate and everything is explained so we can just sit and stare at the screen without thinking and too that end action adventure films are just a series of action sequences strung together with other stuff, like semi naked Orion girls, to keep us from thinking and asking questions.
It's by having the audience ask questions and seeking answers that draws us into the film, makes us get swept away and not realise we're sitting in a cinema. Seeking the answers to questions raised in our minds makes us want to see the film through to the end and sometimes we don't get the answers as Nicholas Myer once said, 'it's not my job to provide you with the answers.'
This has been an on going trend in Hollywood for quite some time now and Star Trek has somehow managed to stay immune because the people working on the film understood the fans have brains and like to fill in pieces of the puzzle themselves. Perhaps we should breathe a sigh of relief though as Star Wars fell victim too with Episode 3 being a perfect example.
I long for the day films are built around a good solid story and we're stopped being treated like idiots.
Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie?
So it's partly our fault too. We live in a world where we want everything right now, handed to us on a plate and everything is explained so we can just sit and stare at the screen without thinking and too that end action adventure films are just a series of action sequences strung together with other stuff, like semi naked Orion girls, to keep us from thinking and asking questions.
It's by having the audience ask questions and seeking answers that draws us into the film, makes us get swept away and not realise we're sitting in a cinema. Seeking the answers to questions raised in our minds makes us want to see the film through to the end and sometimes we don't get the answers as Nicholas Myer once said, 'it's not my job to provide you with the answers.'
This has been an on going trend in Hollywood for quite some time now and Star Trek has somehow managed to stay immune because the people working on the film understood the fans have brains and like to fill in pieces of the puzzle themselves. Perhaps we should breathe a sigh of relief though as Star Wars fell victim too with Episode 3 being a perfect example.
I long for the day films are built around a good solid story and we're stopped being treated like idiots. Well that's my two cents.
Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.
I had a light bulb moment last night about this movie.cookied
I believe what we have here is a dumbing down of films to suit the audience. What do I mean by that? Well if you look at interviews with the writers about Star Trek and even the last Transformers film you'll notice they want to explain everything so not to confuse us or have us asking questions. Examples being about the reason there's no viewscreen in Trek or no female Autobots in the first Transformers film.
So it's partly our fault too. We live in a world where we want everything right now, handed to us on a plate and everything is explained so we can just sit and stare at the screen without thinking and too that end action adventure films are just a series of action sequences strung together with other stuff, like semi naked Orion girls, to keep us from thinking and asking questions.
It's by having the audience ask questions and seeking answers that draws us into the film, makes us get swept away and not realise we're sitting in a cinema. Seeking the answers to questions raised in our minds makes us want to see the film through to the end and sometimes we don't get the answers as Nicholas Myer once said, 'it's not my job to provide you with the answers.'
This has been an on going trend in Hollywood for quite some time now and Star Trek has somehow managed to stay immune because the people working on the film understood the fans have brains and like to fill in pieces of the puzzle themselves. Perhaps we should breathe a sigh of relief though as Star Wars fell victim too with Episode 3 being a perfect example.
I long for the day films are built around a good solid story and we're stopped being treated like idiots. Well that's my two cents.
Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.and, no (as has been said)
| 2009 movies (Domestic) | Gross($Millions) |
| Star Trek | $194.8 |
| Monsters v. Aliens | $194.0 |
| X-Men Origins: Wolverine | $166.3 |
| Fast and Furious | $153.7 |
| Paul Blart: Mall Cop | $146.3 |
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semi naked Orion girls
Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.
As for ship size, do we really need several pages of debating the size and how it may not seem exactly like it did 40 years ago? Sheesh, it's a movie guys, and leave it at that.
Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.
As for ship size, do we really need several pages of debating the size and how it may not seem exactly like it did 40 years ago? Sheesh, it's a movie guys, and leave it at that.
Darkthunder you're completely missing a strong component of Trek, to respect other people's views and beliefs even if you don't agree with them. Also Star Trek isn't just a movie, it's an institution, an idea and a future worth working towards.
Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.
As for ship size, do we really need several pages of debating the size and how it may not seem exactly like it did 40 years ago? Sheesh, it's a movie guys, and leave it at that.
Darkthunder you're completely missing a strong component of Trek, to respect other people's views and beliefs even if you don't agree with them. Also Star Trek isn't just a movie, it's an institution, an idea and a future worth working towards.
And also that ended a post ago with my question of: Wheres the Tribble?
Also what was that little dude with Scotty?lol ya - what was that thing?
When you are first introduced to Scotty (the desk where his feet are up) the Tribble is on the top right in the bird cage.
Still...captain in 3 years is a bit much. Seems a bit too good to believe?
But yeah, lots of substance for me. Best substance I thought was the beginning with George and Winona saying their last words and then him getting chucked out the chair into the Narada and then BOOOM! :D
Darkthunder you're completely missing a strong component of Trek, to respect other people's views and beliefs even if you don't agree with them. Also Star Trek isn't just a movie, it's an institution, an idea and a future worth working towards.
the plot was 1000 times better than what Nem had.ok i can agree with that lol
What I would of done due to the squels is have Pike remain captain for the first two movies and have Kirk take command during the third.
That way Kirk could have rose through the ranks, the crew could have grown together more and then we'd be closer to the prime timeline time when Kirk took command. Also Pike could have been exposed to delta rays when saving the Enterprise in the climax of the third film.
Wel then, this isn't the Prime timeline, so things change. Trek isn't just a thing for an elitist citcle who is fluent in klingon anymore (tongue-in-cheek), it's finally mainstream. And thank god for that.
Darkthunder you're completely missing a strong component of Trek, to respect other people's views and beliefs even if you don't agree with them. Also Star Trek isn't just a movie, it's an institution, an idea and a future worth working towards.
I have no problems respecting other people's views and beliefs. I just don't want to keep getting knocked around by people who are constantly repeating the same tired lines, exactly the same things over and over again. I get it... some people hate the movie. I don't need people to keep repeating the same thing. Especially when its repeated by the same people over and over again. Certainly there are things to discuss about the movie, other than your outright hatred for said movie?
Wait what? Imagination is not to re-do something someone else made up. I say let them tell NEW stories with those characters. The old Trek was stale for a long time anyways.
i wonder if alternate-timeline Picard will still be bald, or will be played by a younger more attractive actor? lol :P
I'm honestly more worried about characters like T'Pol and Tuvok. They both would've still been alive when Vulcan got vaped, I sure hope they're in the 10,000 that got off the planet in time or among the Vulcans that were already off world.
Also, I'm surprised no one commented on the book news I posted in the "Merchandise" thread, but apparently an Enterprise manual is being made by Haynes and Simon & Schuster. I dunno if it's going to be accepted canon or not, but if so, it would sure put the size issue of the Enterprise to rest. Of course, it's not set to come out until next year... :(
I'm honestly more worried about characters like T'Pol and Tuvok. They both would've still been alive when Vulcan got vaped, I sure hope they're in the 10,000 that got off the planet in time or among the Vulcans that were already off world.
Also, I'm surprised no one commented on the book news I posted in the "Merchandise" thread, but apparently an Enterprise manual is being made by Haynes and Simon & Schuster. I dunno if it's going to be accepted canon or not, but if so, it would sure put the size issue of the Enterprise to rest. Of course, it's not set to come out until next year... :(
....I think now is a good time to invoke the MST3k Mantra. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MST3KMantra)
aaah how i would love to see them have a go at this movie and tear it apart lol
I've seen the movie twice and have no clue where R2 is. (yea THAT R2) Has anyone found him yet?
Im guessing in the debris field over Vulcan or in the hanger at SFA or in the Enterprise hanger. Though he could be at the construction yard or the bar.
I've seen the movie twice and have no clue where R2 is. (yea THAT R2) Has anyone found him yet?
Im guessing in the debris field over Vulcan or in the hanger at SFA or in the Enterprise hanger. Though he could be at the construction yard or the bar.
George Lucas liked it :)
Well, if anything supports the positions of us who didn't like the thing, then this is it :D
George Lucas liked it :)
Well, if anything supports the positions of us who didn't like the thing, then this is it :D
Plus Lucas said he'd never do a Star Trek.George Lucas liked it :)
Well, if anything supports the positions of us who didn't like the thing, then this is it :D
You know what I like most about all this? If you look at the Poll up top, nobody has selected "I won't bother even going to see it at all.". Regardless of what people thought of the movie, people still were open-minded enough to go and see it, try it out for themselves. That's one thing that's really pleased me this past month, most people were willing to go and see the film anyway, even if they weren't expecting it to be all that great. Hats off to you all.heh i was the biggest dubious person beforehand :P
George Lucas liked it :)
Well, if anything supports the positions of us who didn't like the thing, then this is it :D
Oh, George Lucas had the potential to become a great director, just see THX 1138 or American Graffiti, thing is, he likes to play with his toys more and isn't very good at dialogue (cf. EP 1-3), but still, this man is a pro, no matter what.
oby: Don?t the Nokia and Budweiser product placements contradict the post-capitalist Trek Federation envisioned by Gene Roddenberry?
BobOrci: Not if those companies have been nationalized!
The Budweiser plug wasn't that bad. They were in a bar, it was used as part of normal dialogue for the location. The obnoxious NOKIA annoying loud and distinctive ring tone and the entire phone interface though, that bugged the hell out of me.the Budweiser plug was too obvious IMO - they likely wrote the whole bar scene around that placement lol
Just be happy the placements didn't continue further into the movie.this much is true...
how many beers from the late 1700s, early 1800s are still available to order at a bar in this day and age? lol :PYou tell me, I can't drink yet. :P
how many beers from the late 1700s, early 1800s are still available to order at a bar in this day and age? lol :PYou tell me, I can't drink yet. :P
Edit:
Cool Trek XI Trailer: TOS-ified
how many beers from the late 1700s, early 1800s are still available to order at a bar in this day and age? lol :P
I wonder if they have "Diet Cherry Vanilla Budweiser" in the 23rd Century. :Pugh im just glad they dont have that in this century lol
Notice how the bridge wasn't on its own level? There was a deck outside...
Posting concept art from the so-called "USS Iowa" bridge, both at normal lighting and Red Alert lighting. This bridge was ofcourse used in the movie for the USS Kobayashi Maru simulator. Perhaps best suited for a new topic at some point, but could also be an idea for the possible bridge modellers out there. The Kobayashi Maru bridge I thought looked great in the movie, whereas the Enterprirse bridge was a bit too bright. Perhaps due to the excessive use of lens flares (which I hope they do away with in the sequels)
Now, that bridge looks like a perfect 'in-betweeners' of ENT and TOS bridge modules. That, and the Kelvin bridge that is.
The Enterprise Bridge was just way too clutered. The excessive lens flares didn't help it either.
I actually like the Kelvin alot more than the Enterprise. Anyone else agree on that?
The USS "Iowa" bridge IS the Kelvin's bridge. :P At least in the early pre-production art.
I'd like to see this movie yet again, but my stupid town's movie theater dumped it already. :(
The USS "Iowa" bridge IS the Kelvin's bridge. :P At least in the early pre-production art.
I'd like to see this movie yet again, but my stupid town's movie theater dumped it already. :(
No, its not.
The USS "Iowa" bridge IS the Kelvin's bridge. :P At least in the early pre-production art.
I'd like to see this movie yet again, but my stupid town's movie theater dumped it already. :(
No, its not.
Could've fooled me. Looks like the same thing.
So then he was right? Either way, that view is perfect to truly admire the bridge design. Didn't get much of a chance what with the movie moving and all.
No, I was right period.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/01/exclusive-james-clyne-talks-about-his-newly-revealed-star-trek-concept-art/
In the interview, Clyne says that the Kelvin was originally named the Iowa.
No, I was right period.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/01/exclusive-james-clyne-talks-about-his-newly-revealed-star-trek-concept-art/
In the interview, Clyne says that the Kelvin was originally named the Iowa.
that bridge (USS Iowa) is much nicer and more appealing than the Enterprise's iBridge was IMO... thats what they should have used instead... i also found the Ent iBridge too cluttered... those stupid windows or panels or whatever those standing consoles were really made the bridge feel closed in to me...
ok guys, let it go please, all of it... enough with the back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and back and forth bickering between people that this whole page already has for crying out loud lolNo, I was right period.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/01/exclusive-james-clyne-talks-about-his-newly-revealed-star-trek-concept-art/
In the interview, Clyne says that the Kelvin was originally named the Iowa.
And yet, the pictures I posted earlier prove otherwise.
You sir, clearly haven't heard of the idea of a "glass cockpit". :P
Well, I don't mean lighten them up so that theres a supernova on every panel lol. More buttons and less...touch screens (LCARS doesn't quite come into it :P).
actually thats one thing about the Bridge i didnt care for, the bright-whitewash-sunglasses-needed effect...
that, and those stupid windows/panels/consoles/whatever that were just in the way lol
And why does everyone get all offended by the Apple/Mac feel of the ship?? I'd rather my starship be run on Mac or Linux than on Windows.
if you say so... i just found them intrusive and annoying...actually thats one thing about the Bridge i didnt care for, the bright-whitewash-sunglasses-needed effect...:?
that, and those stupid windows/panels/consoles/whatever that were just in the way lol
Those two-sided "consoles" made of glass had purpose...
if you say so... i just found them intrusive and annoying...actually thats one thing about the Bridge i didnt care for, the bright-whitewash-sunglasses-needed effect...:?
that, and those stupid windows/panels/consoles/whatever that were just in the way lol
Those two-sided "consoles" made of glass had purpose...
They could be the cameras, one of which Chekov used to make the shipwide address.
one thing i did like about the bridge was the viewscreen/window...
that was awesome, it made perfect sense to me...
Clearly, Apple must have had influence on 2001 as well...
that bridge (USS Iowa) is much nicer and more appealing than the Enterprise's iBridge was IMO... thats what they should have used instead... i also found the Ent iBridge too cluttered... those stupid windows or panels or whatever those standing consoles were really made the bridge feel closed in to me...
Well, TrekMovie has two different sources on the DVD release of the movie. One source says that it'll be November or December, while another says October. Hmph. I hate the wait between the theatrical release and DVD...:(
I think most of the crew on the TOS ent were in bunks....
also the newer the ship the less crew is needed... things are getting way more automated.
I think most of the crew on the TOS ent were in bunks....
also the newer the ship the less crew is needed... things are getting way more automated.
Automation, right. Going by that logic, in 200 years there probably wouldn't even need to be a crew.
No matter how intelligent the programming, it will never be able to deal with stressfull matters in the same quick fashion as a human can. Not to mention the risk of turning a computer controlled weapon into a kill-all-life Berzerker.
They could be the cameras, one of which Chekov used to make the shipwide address.
Good point.
here is an interesting breakdown of the Enterprise's shipyard.
Link (http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/10/john-eaves-shows-off-early-sketches-of-riverside-shipyards-from-star-trek/)
And what do all the Cadets on the Enterprise? Where is the regular crew.....Two notes:
What should that Mixxer thing on the Enterprise?Mixxer?? you talking about the thing with water running through it??
What did they do to the Phasers.I liked the phasers... from the Ent *I think this is what they were trying to do in TWOK* also had the feel from the first rom ep in TOS
Who got the glorios Idea of putting a window as viewscreen?That was for the new audience who never watched Star Trek... It's purpose was to show where the bridge was... also in the pilot ep of TOS the "Cage Ent" was supposed to have a window for a view screen... (it was painted on the model's bridge)
And what do all the Cadets on the Enterprise? Where is the regular crew.....The mission the Ent was sent on was not deemed that important... they sent cadets on a mission where they were to assess the situation on Vulcan and help out as much as possible if it were just planetary activity.
* It can also be used to make gigantic milkshakes.QuoteWhat should that Mixxer thing on the Enterprise?Mixxer?? you talking about the thing with water running through it??
most likely it was used to move water from the water reclamation plant and generate power.
Ahh, I see. :DQuote* It can also be used to make gigantic milkshakes.QuoteWhat should that Mixxer thing on the Enterprise?Mixxer?? you talking about the thing with water running through it??
most likely it was used to move water from the water reclamation plant and generate power.
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Just because they're cadets doesn't mean that they're not capable. Saavik was a cadet when she boarded the Enterprise in TWOK, but she wasn't incompetent. Also, recall that they all had ranks. Kirk was technically a Lieutenant while at the Academy. And a few of them, like Spock, had probably served with Pike in other scenarios prior to Vulcan. And as Nebula said, they were not, I repeat NOT, expecting a combat situation.
Also, in regards to the viewscreen window, it was by far the best representation of an actual screen I've seen on Trek. Besides the traditional forward view, I expect that the screen is able to show any angle around the ship by superimposing it. Not to mention that the screen now displays actual information while still keeping the view open, unlike say, TWOK when the forward view had to be sacrificed to display tactical scans.
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Just because they're cadets doesn't mean that they're not capable. Saavik was a cadet when she boarded the Enterprise in TWOK, but she wasn't incompetent. Also, recall that they all had ranks. Kirk was technically a Lieutenant while at the Academy. And a few of them, like Spock, had probably served with Pike in other scenarios prior to Vulcan. And as Nebula said, they were not, I repeat NOT, expecting a combat situation.
Yep, but no one sends his newest Ship away with only 4 - 10 Senior personell and the others are Cadets.
@Vortex: This time there were actually many ships near Earth (At least the ones that gone to vulcan). We can't say how many others were there, maybe the narada destroyed them before the Enterprise arrived at titan.
R2-D2 LOCATION ANSWER (**SPOILER ALERT**)
During the Drill Machine sequence as the Enterprise comes out of its barrel role amidst destruction of the other Federation ships above Vulcan, we cut to an interior Enterprise bridge over the shoulder of Kirk that is looking out through the front viewscreen. In space, R2-D2 is floating in the debris from about the top middle of the screen to the bottom right.
I recalled that from memory, here is what paramount said...aaah i see... well if anyone at any time happens to get a screenshot of it, please post it... im curious to see it myself...
and no they didn't release any pics.
I recalled that from memory, here is what paramount said...aaah i see... well if anyone at any time happens to get a screenshot of it, please post it... im curious to see it myself...
and no they didn't release any pics.
Most of those cam-recorded versions, from past experiences, aren't high res enough to catch little details like that anyways. So pretty much we wait until Paramount shows us or the DVD comes out.
As for the actors, I loved all of their performances, though Greenwood and Urban stand out in my mind as the best of them. Greenwood because he took a character who was only in two episodes and brought life back to him. Urban because out of all of the actors, he captured the original character so absolutely perfectly that it almost brought tears to my eyes. It was almost like DeForrest Kelley was back on the screen again.
I agree about the actors. I think the what I missed on Bones was the Typicall MCCoy Vs. Spock arguing. The 3 Sentences after they kicked Kirk of the Ship just weren't enough.
I agree about the actors. I think the what I missed on Bones was the Typicall MCCoy Vs. Spock arguing. The 3 Sentences after they kicked Kirk of the Ship just weren't enough.
That's what sequels are for. ;) Which is one thing that Urban himself has said he wants to happen in the next one, more McCoy vs Spock arguments.
I agree about the actors. I think the what I missed on Bones was the Typicall MCCoy Vs. Spock arguing. The 3 Sentences after they kicked Kirk of the Ship just weren't enough.
That's what sequels are for. ;) Which is one thing that Urban himself has said he wants to happen in the next one, more McCoy vs Spock arguments.
Because he wants more screentime.
It's a snap-together model kit, unsure if it requires paint or not, but it does have decals.
i love the amount of lens flare on it too
i love the amount of lens flare on it too
i love the amount of lens flare on it too
That deserves a cookie for making me laugh so hard. I must be the only person who doesn't pick up on these things... Maybe I've just been exposed to Internet Disease for too long.
Snap-together models usually come pre-painted. Thanks for the info.Polar Lights/Round 2 snap-together models kits never come prepainted. Though the instructions say that painting is optional, it is needed. All of their new kits like the 1:1000 Enterprise-A, will come with full ship hull plating decals, so the new JJprise "might" have them, but it's not confirmed yet. The good thing about the 1:2500 JJprise, is that it will be about the same size as the other 1:1000 TOS and NX kits. Round 2 reads the comments on Trekmovie (where the article originated) to see if there is hype for this kit. If the smaller one sells well, there might be a 28.5" one coming after. I can't wait!
i love the amount of lens flare on it too
That deserves a cookie for making me laugh so hard. I must be the only person who doesn't pick up on these things... Maybe I've just been exposed to Internet Disease for too long.
You're just too young. When we were growing up, the director wasn't actively trying to blind the audience, the camera didn't have Parkinson, and cuts lasted more than 1 second.
When we were growing up, the director wasn't actively trying to blind the audience, the camera didn't have Parkinson, and cuts lasted more than 1 second.true that!
When we were growing up, the director wasn't actively trying to blind the audience, the camera didn't have Michael J. Fox, and cuts lasted more than 1 second.
Gents, we live in a time where the current teenagers need everything to be speedy to keep their attention, the movie was meant to bring in new people, so naturally, you have to start doing what everyone else is to grab attention of the masses of regular movie-goers.this is very true, and thats the only thing that (IMO) sucks, what i refer to as the "sell-out" factor... it's not just Trek, it's everything... it is really too bad, IMO; everything (every remake) gets more and more shallow and flashy with less and less substance...
The plus? We still have Trek.i guess... tho i much more prefer origTrek over this nuTrek...
I so can't wait to see Andorians in this time.lol watch - $100 says in this nuTrek, theyll be green with 3 antennae :P
Gents, we live in a time where the current teenagers need everything to be speedy to keep their attention, the movie was meant to bring in new people, so naturally, you have to start doing what everyone else is to grab attention of the masses of regular movie-goers.this is very true, and thats the only thing that (IMO) sucks, what i refer to as the "sell-out" factor... it's not just Trek, it's everything... it is really too bad, IMO; everything (every remake) gets more and more shallow and flashy with less and less substance...The plus? We still have Trek.i guess... tho i much more prefer origTrek over this nuTrek...I so can't wait to see Andorians in this time.lol watch - $100 says in this nuTrek, theyll be green with 3 antennae :P
well, one thing that is consistent with Trek (to me) is that in the beginning of something new, it usually isnt all that great at first but eventually gets much better...
IMO, the first two seasons of TNG, DS9, Voy (and all 4 of Ent lol :P) were pretty lame; but as the show and everything aged it did get much better... maybe this will be the same...
As for liking old trek, that ain't what's in debate, so it's fine, my point (Which I've poorly tried to convey several times) is that it's not gone,
and who knows? If we happen to come across some writing prodigy they may be able to incorporate both takes on trek together to make the truly unifying one. A deep, moral story and gripping storylines, and combat scenes that make you sit on the edge of your seat.
(and all 4 of Ent)
this is a good time to be a Trekkie.that's subject for debate :P
How about we don't debate and say we did? :Pthis is a good time to be a Trekkie.that's subject for debate :P
Watch out Jimmy,
You are differing from popular opinion again..
Deserves a cookie.
i love the amount of lens flare on it too
That deserves a cookie for making me laugh so hard. I must be the only person who doesn't pick up on these things... Maybe I've just been exposed to Internet Disease for too long.
I just figured out what J.J. stands for. Jar Jar! Can't believe it took me this long to figure it out, the movie was a dead giveaway :D
No re-hashing pleaaaassse!interesting; here i have observed so very much praise and excitement from the generic general population for rehashes/reboots/remakes/etc... heh :P
Nitpicking a nitpickers post is no good to this nitpicking community since the nitpicking just goes on and on and on...but going around in circles is always good fun! lol :P
the Jar Jar-Prise...muahahaha. :Plol *cookied*
Agreed Shadow.Actually I am still waiting for a Romulan movie... :x
Star Trek 2 is by far the best movie and stands up well against all others. We really don't need a remake of it.
I'd like the Gorn or the Tholians to be the bad guys for a change as we've had Klingons in a six films and the Romulans in two.
Come on Orci and Kurtzman actually think of something original!
more star trek XI concept art was released....
I like the Iowa!!
Also the concept for the Ent Bridge looks much better than what we got :P
http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/23/more-star-trek-concept-art-from-ryan-church/
oh and that engineering concept better be in the next movie!!!
anything left on this movie to go on about? anything official yet about a release date for the DVD and/or scenes that were cut? (did we go over that ground already? lol)
more star trek XI concept art was released....
I like the Iowa!!
Also the concept for the Ent Bridge looks much better than what we got :P
http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/23/more-star-trek-concept-art-from-ryan-church/
oh and that engineering concept better be in the next movie!!!
Star Trek (2009 movie) Blu-ray Details
Technical
Picture: 2.35:1 (1080p)
Sound: German Dolby Digital 5.1, English Dolby True HD 5.1, English Audio Description, Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1, Italian Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles: German, English and others
Extras:
?Audio commentary (JJ Abrams, Bryan Burke, Alex Kurtzman, Damon Lindelof, Roberto Orci)
?Featurettes:
?Where no man has gone before:
?The Shatner conundrum
?The redshirt guy,
?The green girl
?Trekker alert!
?Casting
?A new vision ("Savage Pressure")
?Starships:
?Warp explained
?Painting work
?Accelerated bridge construction
?The captain?s chair
?Operating the buttons
?Shuttle shuffle
?Accelerated Narada construction
?Aliens:
?The alien paradox
?The girl with the big eyes
?Big pro Quinto
?Klingons
?Drakoulias anatomy 101
?Planets:
?Additional businesses
?Confidentiality
?Equipment and costumes: Klingon costumes
?Sound
?Music
?Gene Roddenberry?s vision
?Starfleet vessel simulator (probably BD only)
?Star Trek gag reel
?Trailers:
?Teaser trailer
?Theatrical trailer "The wait is over"
?Theatrical trailer "Prepare for the beginning"
?Theatrical trailer "Buckle up"
?Star Trek: D-A-C demo (trailer) for XBOX 360
?BD Live options
yet in the new trek Spock can observe the destruction of Vulcan from it with his naked eye like it was a moon of it.
Perhaps it's time for a lock down.
Why don't we let the admins do their jobs? They're quite good at it, so let them decide when to lock something down.. :)kirk mentioned how felt to me in a PM yesterday, and i suggested to him that he post his feelings about the thread in the thread itself... (especially since i have said the same exact thing at least a few times now...)
But in line with the fact that women who fall in love with Jim Kirk usually regret it. ;)
At issue: do they create a fresh plot with never-before-seen characters and scenarios or ? because young Kirk and Spock are now part of an alternate timeline where the past has been altered ? do they introduce 2.0 versions of such popular villains as the Klingons or Khan? Orci recognizes each approach has its own merits.
Rebooting familiar elements appeals instantly to fans and attracts the attention of "the media-sphere," as he calls it.
Meaning that if you cast, say, Javier Bardem as the new Khan opposite Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto, you?ve automatically excited fans and attracted the attention of the moviegoing public.
"But on the other hand," he adds, "who doesn?t love an original story?"
Jordan Hoffman: Okay, so sequel to Star Trek. You haven?t even begun the script, yes?
Roberto Orci: Little vacation in July then we hit the ground running.
Jordan Hoffman: And everyone is giving you their two cents on what they want to see in the movie. Have you ever experienced this, where people have so many opinions on a script you haven?t even written yet?
Alex Kurtzman: That is unique to Star Trek. That?s what is so remarkable out it ? the fans. The fan fiction, the community, the familiarity with the material.
CS: I?m on a one-man mission to plant the seed now. If you decide to revisit the character of Khan, two words: Javier Bardem.
Kurtzman: Oh my God!
Orci: Did you know we?ve actually mentioned that out loud as a possibility? What a great idea.
Lindelof: Come on. That?s a no-brainer. That would be the most amazing thing ever. Who would even what to see these [new] guys then? That?s the problem. You would just watch them for scenery.
Plus that's the wrong date. It's November 17th...though I'd prefer the 2nd.
I think it's interesting how the DVD package is going to be used for another Augmented Reality type tour of the Enterprise. I wonder if it'll be the movie model of the ship instead of the Star Trek DAC model...if not, then I'm definitely grabbing the blu ray, it has a feature on the Ent and Narada with 360 degree views...good for modders. :P
Plus that's the wrong date. It's November 17th...though I'd prefer the 2nd.
I think it's interesting how the DVD package is going to be used for another Augmented Reality type tour of the Enterprise. I wonder if it'll be the movie model of the ship instead of the Star Trek DAC model...if not, then I'm definitely grabbing the blu ray, it has a feature on the Ent and Narada with 360 degree views...good for modders. :P
yay me!! :Poh right because it is always all about you, Spamula lol j/k :P (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/jimmyb76/random/kiss.gif)
yay me!! :Poh right because it is always all about you, Spamula lol j/k :P (http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/jimmyb76/random/kiss.gif)
as far as the dvd, i will most surely purchase it as soon as it is out, despite my given grievances with the movie lol
i really want to see the cut-out footage...
I just hope that the Klingons in the cut scenes are done like Klingons pre-TNG. Also, I hope the special effects are in place.
It could be that the lower caste (ridge less) were used as guards at rura penthe.
They've put up a new site for the dvd/blu-ray sets. There is a comic-con exclusive video for the special features which shows two of the kelvin-bash ships. The first is one of the quads(USS Newton NCC-1787) and a Miranda class in Kelvin form (USS Defiant NCC-1764/84 kinda hard to make out). It also shows some behind the scenes stuff aswell.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/07/24/new-site-previews-star-trek-movie-dvd-blu-ray-sets/
Okay, now this really kinda freaked me out. I'm currently watching "Journey to Babel" and Amanda described a time when Spock came home with a split lip and anguished because of how the other Vulcan children told him he wasn't really Vulcan, and then I remembered the scene from the movie where Spock started pummeling that one Vulcan kid, and I realized that that was what Amanda was describing. :shock: Orci and Kurtzman really DO know their Trek.
Yeah the two did know their Trek history I'll give them that but their knowledge of the Treknology annoyed me but I guess that can all be explained through the changes in the timeline.
Wonder if we'll see Cpt Braxton in the next film trying to undo all Nero's damage? :lol:
On a side note I think I'll go watch Journey To Babel.
I was just thinking that myself, the Vulcans wouldn't have made the technology to create black holes unless they had a way to stop it. My guess is that they calculated how much time a singularity would need to engulf the supernova it was developed for and somehow gave the red matter created singularity a self life. Flame this all you want by the way, I', taking pot shots at this.
I just found this little nugget of gold on (surprisingly enough) Wikipedia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/Star_Trek_%28film%29_bridge_panorama_.jpg
Also, consider this. The "black holes" created by the red matter are artificial in nature. There is also on-screen evidence that aforementioned singularities aren't permanently fixed. Example: When the Narada arrives in 2233, the singularity is visible behind the ship. However, when the battle begins in earnest, the singularity is apparently gone, something that is confirmed by the wide shot after the Kelvin's suicide run and the shuttles are escaping the Narada. The singularity is nowhere to be seen in that shot.
However, the singularity that swallowed Vulcan may indeed be permanently fixed. Why? When the Enterprise flies away from the collapsing planet, in Vulcan's place is a dark void through which no stars are visible. Now, this may have just been a goof on the part of ILM, but I don't think so.
Also, consider this. The "black holes" created by the red matter are artificial in nature. There is also on-screen evidence that aforementioned singularities aren't permanently fixed. Example: When the Narada arrives in 2233, the singularity is visible behind the ship. However, when the battle begins in earnest, the singularity is apparently gone, something that is confirmed by the wide shot after the Kelvin's suicide run and the shuttles are escaping the Narada. The singularity is nowhere to be seen in that shot.
However, the singularity that swallowed Vulcan may indeed be permanently fixed. Why? When the Enterprise flies away from the collapsing planet, in Vulcan's place is a dark void through which no stars are visible. Now, this may have just been a goof on the part of ILM, but I don't think so.
Well I think that is because the black hole that brought the Narada didn't get nearly as much fuel as Vulcan did, so that black hole will last longer because Vulcan provided much more fuel
Old, really old
That is a really bad screencap. No offense. It just doesn't show what you intended it to show very well. :P
...Oh! And the Narada. That thing is ridiculous--Totally impractical.
especially when it went completely silent (crewmen sucked into space)."Correction, sir, that's blown out."
As I recall, in Countdown, one of the appendages is actually used like a tentacle and stabs Worf, though not fatally.
I hate how close together they put the nacelles, and how far forward the deflector dish is.
Anyway, agreed Darkthunder: Mr. Urban was SPOT ON. He nailed DeForrest Kelly's inflections perfectly. (I can't believe I forgot to mention that as a good point!) I really enjoyed his performance.
Having useless appendages on your ship isn't efficient. (In fact, being an engineer, I can tell you that it's ridiculous. It leads to unnecessary forces acting on the core of the ship as it accelerates and turns, and could lead to fatigue cracks. Plus it's a simple waste of materials, though I'm sure some excuse could be thought up for it. Heat sinks, for example.)
The uniforms were also well done. I felt that they updated them enough by simply adding that patterned texture. I really liked that they kept all the lines of the clothing more or less the same.The pattern it self is actually the Starfleet Delta.
"For any event there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. Our choices determine which outcome will follow. According to a theory, everything that can happen does happen in some other quantum reality." -Data Tng Parallels. I try to say this as often as possible. Trek addressed this long ago. If there is a universe where humans are evil, a universe where the Borg conquered Earth, why can't a universe with slightly more advance technology and a lack of planet Vulcan exist?
ok now it's getting off topic :P