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Recreational Forums => Trek Discussion => Films & Shows => Topic started by: Locke on June 17, 2010, 12:55:49 PM
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I searched here but didn't come up with anything!
Abrams could do some interesting stuff with the next film. The obvious tie-ins include everything from the first five-year (three-year) mission to ST:VI. But fans don't really want to see rehashes of old scripts. It would be too much "Khan takes ship; ship fights ship; good ship wins", if you get my drift.
I think he (Abrams) could really flesh out a new movie with an appearance by The Sisko. After all, the wormhole isn't linear, so anything that happens in there happens elsewhere and elsewhen. All of the Star Treks since The Motion Picture were based around what the Enterprise did. After the destruction of Vulcan and the subsequent drastic changes in the timeline, the only things that remain from the prime timeline are things like Khan, the Whale Probe and the like.
What other primeTrek (I like that word!) story devices can you think of that wouldn't be affected by the Abrams version?
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Off the top of my head: V'Ger, Nomad, the Mirror Universe, the Doomsday Machine, Balok and the Fesarius and the Borg
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As curious as I am to see how Kirk would handle the Borg, I don't think they can be used intelligently and to the original intent (a frightening, un-defeatable enemy) after Voyager finished with them. Honestly I think this chapter the writers should do something original, since anything else at this point would seem like they're re-hashing a bunch of old stuff.
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Q! The Q!
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Well having Spock from the prime verse there, he could predict the major problems and give solutions before they really do become problems.
For example send a party back to the 20th Century and get some whales years before the Whale probe shows up.
You could have a Genesis style story to try and restore Vulcan.
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Well having Spock from the prime verse there, he could predict the major problems and give solutions before they really do become problems.
For example send a party back to the 20th Century and get some whales years before the Whale probe shows up.
You could have a Genesis style story to try and restore Vulcan.
I like this! A story about the conflict of Spock and his (rational) fear of a superweapon like Genesis versus the compelling want for a new homeworld for all Vulcans certainly raises some interesting plot devices. Although that's a story far down the line. Having primeSpock solve all the problems of the movie era seems like a cop-out. Although how a moral and logical person could possibly avoid telling people about things like V'Ger and the Whale Probe is a problem that Abrams is going to have to address if he wants to keep the original fanbase AT ALL.
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Other plot devices that JJ could use include: The Guardian of Forever, The Tholian Web (Loved it in TOS), The M5 Supercomputer (sort-of).
Things that could happen earlier: Cardassian Conflict, Possibly the Dominion?
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Or the Romulans that didn't go into the 100 years isolation ;)
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Having primeSpock solve all the problems of the movie era seems like a cop-out.
Agreed, but we don't have to worry about, Nimoy said he's done and continuing to play Spock in the JJ films as it would be "unfair to Quinto."
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Get rid of Abrams, and bring on Frakes. :D
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Get rid of Abrams, and bring on Frakes. :D
Actually, I tend to agree with that! I think Frakes is one of the best directors they had for all the TNG era stuff.
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Yeah either that or bring back the guy who did TWoK. Can't remember his name atm or if he's still around now, but there you go.
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Nick Meyers. He was my favorite trek director.
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Actually, I tend to agree with that! I think Frakes is one of the best directors they had for all the TNG era stuff.
Really? You're actually going to say that? He did two movies. One was First Contact, arguably the best TNG movie. The other was Insurrection, a rousing failure the likes of which hadn't been seen since Star Trek V.
As for storylines involving Spock Prime...I really think that those would be cop outs and dead ends...especially with Nimoy retiring again. As for V'ger and the whale probe...just because they're still out there doesn't mean the crew will handle the situations the same way.
I think we just need to get back to the basics. The Klingons. They haven't been a force to be reckoned with in quite some time, they deserve to shine again.
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Really? You're actually going to say that?
Well, I did, didn't I . . . :roll
I believe he was one of the best. A mixture of humor and intensity was inherent in each episode he directed. Enough said.
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Well I couldn't agree more with Locke... just look at Nemesis, there I see a true failure and point of no return for TNG Trek... yeah and that was some Baird guy who ruined it :mad: I say Frakes did quite a job in directing Trek movies and episodes ;) now go ahead throw rocks on me :P j/k cookies should be enough :funny
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Nemesis wasn't exactly good, but I don't think its as bad as people say it is. Obviously it would have been a lot better if Franks directed it (I don't know why he wasn't offered in the first place given the success of First Contact and Insurrection), but honestly Baird may have done well enough if he had simply researched the Trek universe (which he didn't). Of course for all the horrible directing, some inconsistent character traits, and C-average plot the movie it did have some redeeming features - Riker and Troi marrying was nice, the battle scenes were cool, and it seemed fitting to end TNG on the prospect of peace with the Romulans like how TOS/TMP ended with peace with the Klingons.
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Baird was given the job apparently as payment for an editing job or something like that. Nemesis would have been good if they'd have gotten someone better to play Picard's clone, if the movie hadn't been chopped to bits, and it's Berman's fault for half, Baird for the other.
Frakes did good for the most part, but Insurrection, in retrospect, is horrific.
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Insurrection, in retrospect, is horrific.
Maybe, but it made money. :idk:
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Frakes did good for the most part, but Insurrection, in retrospect, is horrific.
Of course it was, but I blame that mostly on a bad script. The concept was a bit too much like an extended episode, not a movie. You remember "those" episodes: forgettable, detached from the main concept of the show, and utterly devoid of a broader message.
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Yeah and there goes a TNG episode where adm. Ni..Bi..tchayev ... whatever her name was... ordered Picard to remove group of Native American people from a colony they settled on a while agoby any means necesarry. back then Picard acted exactly like he should, what's more he almost flushed Wesley out the airlock because he rebelled against moving these people. Few years later Picard finds himself in the very same situation and instead of keeping his usual diplomatic attitude he rebells against SFC. The point is all the characters in INS are turned upside down and messed up, no one acts as he used to + weird, complicated plot + stupid mistakes that could've been easly avoided = Insurrection :P
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My only problem with Insurrection was that it was a glorified TNG episode, but aside from that I actually liked it, not as much as First Contact, Wrath of Kahn, or Trek XI, but it's better than Nemesis and The Motion Picture...
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And that's not saying much is it? :evil:
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Yeah, I know the thread is old. But it's mine, so doesn't that entitle me . . . :angel
I was just watching XI today, and I was seeing just how much Abrams really tried to reach for the feel of the original series. The strife and conflict is there (with some updated themes) as well as the camaraderie in some highly tense situations.
I think the franchise has been given a second chance, with a target audience that truly understands dynamic change and frisson in a multicultural and diverse crew. The changes he (Abrams) has made have been pretty much cosmetic. The core identity of Trek is still there, and that is what truly matters. The essence of Trek was the concept of humanity reaching towards the stars with an open hand, to (mis)quote LaForge. Do you really think Roddenberry would be displeased with this? I don't.