even if Cryptic likes to think it is.
I heard on the radio they have found their captain of Discovery
http://deadline.com/2017/03/star-trek-discovery-captain-jason-isaacs-cast-1202038246/
Good choice if you ask me
finally managed to get logged back in at last
I thought they are touting this as prime timeline?... if so, why are they using Klingon aesthetics from the reboot along with added JJ flares, lol.
I don't particularly care either way but why bullshit when it looks and smells of the alternate one.
another overtly racist Vulcan.
Also I don't think those Klingons look like either JJ or Prime.
i think i read somewhere that the premier will be aired on CBS television itself (not just CBS all access) - can anyone confirm this?
also, is it such that the entire series will only be available at CBS all access?
also, if/when the shows are aired if anyone accidentally should happen to accidentally post any links by total honest accident so as to be able to view the series without having to pay to view it (piracy is bad of course), we would understand that accidents are just one of those things in life and all and im sure no one would get in trouble for this one thing...
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the transporter bay in the U.S.S. Discovery is very different from this one (and has not yet been seen).
extended trailer
Discovery is being filmed in 2:1
http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/06/star-trek-discovery-filming-in-21-aspect-ratio/
sure about that?
yeah i am dubious in many ways...I've gone back and forth, but lately I'm optimistic. The props have modern 2017 production values that are still paying homage to TOS, and the writing staff includes some very talented names (*cough* Nick Meyer *cough*). What little feedback that's out there is positive, so I'm letting myself get hyped.
i will watch it and give it a fair shot of course but there is alot about it that ive seen i just am let down by already...
I've gone back and forth, but lately I'm optimistic. The props have modern 2017 production values that are still paying homage to TOS, and the writing staff includes some very talented names (*cough* Nick Meyer *cough*). What little feedback that's out there is positive, so I'm letting myself get hyped.
I remember how much people wanted Enterprise to follow establish canon. Not going threw that roller caster again. I like what I've seen so far, but in the end; the proof is in the storytelling.Agreed. I re-watched Enterprise in my early 20s and actually found it wasn't as big a canon-violator as people complained about when it was airing. I think Enterprise's problems were writer burnout in seasons one and two (since there was so much TNG/Voyager-style rehashes those years) and UPN not allowing Trek to take a break after Voyager.
I enjoyed "The Vulcan Hello", but I don't see myself getting CBS All Access for one show. I don't need another streaming service (that still has ads even with a subscription). I'll buy the blu rays though.
Personally I was totally unimpressed, certainly not enough to make me pay to watch it which is a load of crap. Well done CBS on alienating the majority of your fan base.
i think they should have just stuck to TOS sfx, or slightly better but based on the same original ones...
ok im on the fence and will give another episode or two a shot...Trek spinoffs are notorious for being shaky in their first two seasons, so I'd suggest probably giving it more than just a couple more episodes.
it doesnt really feel trek-ish much, it was cool hearing TNG/DS9/Voy bridge sfx alerts and console notifications... however, to keep with continuity, i think they should have just stuck to TOS sfx, or slightly better but based on the same original ones...
i really really like the Shenzou as a ship and the bridge layout, how i wish that could be the lead permanent ship instead... i just dont like the huge triangle with a circle that is Discovery design... i dont think ill be able to like that ship but maybe just tolerate it...
Klingons are rather over the top, IMO... im not sold on the look of them much at all either... a little too obnoxious looking and hollywoodized...
federation uniforms are kinda ok... i wish it was more like TOS with the officer position (command/sci med/ops eng) and i wish the rank insignia was more pronounced instead of tiny little circles on comm badge (tho it isnt a comm badge i know) you really have to focus to see who is what rank... i do like they keep consistent with TNG, DS9 and Voy pips, tho even something more like TOS would have been just fine too...
i dunno, im sort of halfway there to totally loving it and excited about it...
ill watch the next one and take it ep by ep for a little while and maybe it will grow on me... but im only slightly patient on my end currently lol
Pay very close attention when they are on the bridge they have the TOS console and bridge sounds.yeah i did catch that...
and then 10 years later people re-watch it and go "hmm... This really isn't as bad as people said it was/I remember"...yes it is lol
yes it is lolMeh I can't argue subjective opinions. I just found when I rewatched the Xindi arc I liked it a lot. Hell, even season one isn't as bad as I remember. And season four... C'mon man! At least season four gets pretty high marks from Trek fans in general.
i wholeheartedly agree with your points, most def!
if this series took place like in the future after Nemesis, like 100 years after or whatever - that would make so much more sense IMO...
Visual retcons is one thing.Those were simple holograms; projections of people communicating in real time - low definition images with obvious imperfections. We have similar technology today (have you ever seen the Tupac hologram?
But Discovery goes leaps and bounds beyond that. Holograms in 2256? Even the Prometheus of the 2370s was NEW with the ability to project holograms outside the Holodeck or Sickbay.
Window as Viewscreen? Really?!? Again with the bullshit JJverseIt pretty clear that they were around in the prime universe as well before the timeline split between it and the JJ-verse. The Shenzhou is said to be an older ship as well, possibly from the Kelvin's era. The Frankin (from Beyond), an Enterprise-era ship, had them too.
Then there's the Klingon ships, which bear little or no resemblance to TOS D7sC'mon dude, we're only two episodes in; we know next to nothing about those ships - for all we know they're just as old as the sarcophagus ship or simply private, civilian vessels owned by each house's family, not military vessels.
Klingons with Cloaking Devices? Romulans using Cloaks was NEW in 2260sThat cloak was destroyed before it could be spread. The Enterprise novels explained the cloaks in "Minefield" as being defective due to them taking power antimatter containment. Since the Klingon's cloak was destroyed, we know nothing about if that would be a problem for them too; but no matter what, the technology died when that ship blew up.
Starfleet protocols of 2370s, says you always travel at minimum 2 peopleExactly, the 2370s, this is the 2250s. In Kirk's era it was common for the captain and first officer to go on away missions together; we saw Kirk run off alone several times and Archer as well a century earlier. Protocols change.
Are there no Redshirts in this era?I will concede we definitely need redshirt console explosion death.
Do I have to show this again?
Notice the window?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XNPD380IpBQ/Sjv9aYqWOtI/AAAAAAAAHNI/9MpU-VWxy24/s400/P25_6_circa66_5.jpg)
It's not a new concept
He tries to reconcile some of the differences where he can, for example the reason they don't have the uniforms from The Cage is because they are only on Constitution classes ATM.Oh I'm waiting for someone to throw a fit over the uniforms just so I can hit them with this picture from Generations. We know both the late-TNG and early-DS9 uniforms were in service side-by-side for at least five years; there's no reason The Cage's uniforms and Discovery's can't be that way too.
Yeah except... the TNG and DS9 uniforms looked largely the same (flipped the placement of the black and department colors).They're still two different uniforms in service concurrently. The level of differences is just fishing for things criticize.
Discovery Uniforms and Cage Uniforms look nothing alike. Not even Department Colors. Try again?
I ain't paying an extra 6 bucks for THIS! :bitch:
I'm perfectly fine with updating to modern production standards. But to do so, maybe they should progress the timeline past what we already know. Quit fucking with Trek History. Literally! I like how you made two mentions of "nitpicking" using different terminology. So criticism is not okay, because you happen to like it?
People criticized ENTERPRISE even harsher than the criticism levied against Discovery, specifically because it looked too advanced for the era. Now we're doing the same exact thing, by making yet another prequel. Why keep rehashing the same era over and over?
Discovery I cannot, but the lore/narrative fits fine so far, I'm willing to let the visuals pass.
So criticism is not okay, because you happen to like it?I never said anything of the sort; please do not put words in my mouth. We're talking about a TV show, not the details of a new government Constitution.
Speaking of Section 31, am I the only one getting a strong vibe that they're being used in Discovery?
Section 31 doesn't operate in the open like that though, they're like the Men in Black, they're in the background, in the shadows.This is true for DS9 and Enterprise. It seems that starting with Into Darkness, however, that Section 31 is being, for lack of a better word, "Hollywooded" in that they're being shoehorned into anything questionable. I'd like for Section 31 to stick to the shadows like they did in DS9 and Enterprise, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're being trotted out for Discovery in a very Hollywood-esqe way. Still too early to know for sure though...
According to Star Trek: Discovery, Starfleet still runs Microsoft Windows (https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/tldr/2017/10/3/16412372/star-trek-discovery-cbs-windows-code-command-line)
how lame...you guys catch this?
I don't see the problem.
Such a minor thing.
I enjoy how polarizing this series is.Depends on where you look. The Star Trek subreddit has some haters, but most are just happy for new Trek right now. From what I'm seeing in the BC Community it looks kind of split.
Is this worse then Enterprise?
https://imgur.com/a/6HZB4Good find! If you look at the deflectors of the Europa and T'Plana Hath, you can see some NX-class style elements to them.
Concept art of a few of the starfleet ships in the 2nd episode
The Clark is my favourite
So the saucer rotates in two different directions after engaging the drive, before spinning the entire ship on it's axis. These writers and directors know there's a little thing called INERTIAL DAMPENERS right? Cause without them, people would be a bug on the rear wall whenever the ship went to warp. Add to that, having the entire ship spin in various directions, would seriously compromise the inertial dampeners, and put a huge strain on the ships energy.
Rewatch the scene, only the upper layer of the hull roates, none of the weapon ports and windows go with it.
And that somehow negates the stupidity of the entire ship spinning on it's axis when the drive engages? Enough defending this turd...
I'm seeing a lot of "they changed it, now it sucks" trope naming going on here. I actually got an AU vibe out of the starter, which would make this a fourth canon universe. think about it, the Enterprise delta design has shown up early, again
I've also heard they take some inspiration from TAS.
Well this weeks was certainly interesting!
Good stuff: Lorca's PTSD. What caused the fallout between Sarek and Spock.
Bad stuff: Discovery has a fucking holodeck :facepalm: I'm a big advocate of giving the show a fair shot, but stuff like this makes it kind of difficult at times. I understand that the creative staff will naturally want to do their own thing; for that reason, I'm finding myself leaning in the direction that they should just call this an alternative universe like the JJverse or Mirror Universe.
The show is good if taken on its own merits, but at the same time there's a lot of inconsistencies that are becoming glaring.
Exactly the way I feel.I can get past the holo-communicators; they're much simpler than 24th century holograms and I can rationalize them as a fad that kind of comes and goes over the years. The Spore Drive, I can already start to see how that's going to go - we already saw the tardigrade was harmed by it and it seems to be screwing with Stamets.
If Producers would acknowledge the show as part of a new/alternate timeline, I could see myself accepting the show as-is. But there's no way I will ever accept it as being part of "Prime" timeline. Producers have said that things will make sense eventually, and tie into TOS both aesthetically and storywise, but I just don't see it happening.
So I guess the Discovery has all these fancy technologies like Holo Communications, Holographic Simulators, Spore Drive, and NONE of it should exist in this era. Communications alone, had a time-delay in TOS, but a mere 10 years earlier, they are able to have real-time communications? Over Holo Coms?
There was a holodeck in TAS on the Enterprise.Memory Alpha considers TAS canon, and from what I understand CBS officially considers it canon as well. However, there are a lot of issues with this - Ex Astris Scientia has a good article on this (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/tas_continuity.htm).
And the show people seem to consider TAS canon, or at least parts of it (Amanda's appreciation of Lewis Caroll and Rober April)
Memory Alpha considers TAS canon, and from what I understand CBS officially considers it canon as well. However, there are a lot of issues with this - Ex Astris Scientia has a good article on this (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/tas_continuity.htm).
For a long time, TAS was treated as a kind of soft-canon - as in it could be considered canon unless it was contradicted by a live-action episode or movie. The sole exception to this was the TAS episode "Yesteryear". I'm personally in this "soft-canon" category.
ugh this show is getting stupider and stupider...
goddammit
Apart from Isaac's character I am grating my teeth watching most of the rest bicker, act smug, go against any internal logic or rational thinking
Federation ships SHOULD of been of the Kelvin lookI'm in agreement here as well. Most of the ships at the binary stars looked like Star Trek Online knockoffs. The only ship that looks appropriate is Discovery herself, oddly enough. Credit where credit is due - the overall shape is definitely pre-TOS, and the sphere in the primary hull is reminiscent of the Daedalus-class. Granted the design has parts that are ugly as sin, but at least it looks appropriate.
The show has been getting better each episode for me :idk:I say again, if I ignore the other shows and movies, then Discovery is good on its own merits. I am really, really digging Lorca. He seems like he has a healthy mix of Sisko and Kirk in him and Jason Isaac's plays him with style. Georgeou was great as well and hope we see more of her in flashbacks/holograms, etc.
The holodeck and retconned D7 though... That's kind of immersion breaking.
The holodeck is fine for me because it was a shooting range basically just a hallway. They were in a small circular area. The Klingons also didn't do much but run after them. They didn't look physical just projections.I have to disagree. That was not a shooting range - check out Elite Force if you want to see a shooting range, or several TNG episodes where Picard, Riker, or Worf are on the shooting range firing at targets.
Non of the "holograms" we've seen in the show were physical, just images floating in space.
TAS also introduced the holodeck.TAS is questionable continuity-wise to begin with. It's part of the reason why it was officially non-canon for so long to begin with (or soft-canon at best).
Also about the D7? We don't even know if it really was a D7 just that it had the signature of one... They called it 3 different ships in 2 eps. a D7, a Prison ship, and Tilly called it a BOP the next ep.That's not really helping your point. The computer clearly identified it as a D7, and the ship that popped up was so different than the D7 we got to know in TOS that the only reasonable explanation is a retcon. Saying that it had two other different names is just showing some inconsistency in Discovery itself, but not really solidifying the idea that the D7 wasn't retconned.
I have to disagree. That was not a shooting range - check out Elite Force if you want to see a shooting range, or several TNG episodes where Picard, Riker, or Worf are on the shooting range firing at targets.
What we saw in Discovery... It worked exactly like a holodeck. It was a circular room, yes, but so were the holosuites on DS9. It created a realistic looking environment that was bigger than the actual room (meaning that forcefields were needed to produce the "treadmill" effect), and the Klingons were very realistic looking. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
TAS is questionable continuity-wise to begin with. It's part of the reason why it was officially non-canon for so long to begin with (or soft-canon at best).
Gene wanted a Holodeck in season 3 of TOS but never got the chance until TAS then later in TNG.Just because I disagree with the point doesn't mean I ignored the video... :undecided:
I'd watch the vid I posted.
I think the most recent episode actually helps with Sarek and Spock's relationship in the earlier productionsI agree. I liked the Burnham/Sarek stuff a lot and sheds a lot of light on Spock and Sarek's issues. The character stuff and story is pretty good.
lorca.... not so sure he seems evil. But maybe hes just damaged because of his past and torture.I love Lorca. He strikes me as having a healthy mix of Kirk and Sisko in him, and maybe a hint of post-Xindi arc Archer, but still enough of his own character that he doesn't feel ripped off. He's definitely damaged and broken.
I'm not sure how I feel about Mudd though. He's played very well, but he seems much more sociopathic in Discovery than I remember him being in The Original Series. I may have to rewatch the Mudd episodes just to be sure, but still he seems a bit off to me.
Ah good points. Like I said, been a while since I've seen the TOS Mudd episodes.
Well one thing is he was ten years younger in Discovery, so he is bound to act a little differently in TOS. Also there is the fact that somewhere between Discovery and TOS Mudd was sentenced to undergo psychiatric treatment.
this show is just stooopid... :dontcare:I just don't know what it's gaining by setting itself 10 years before Kirk. The whole premise screams, bear minimum, Lost Era between Star Trek VI and TNG.
this show is just stooopid... :dontcare:
This show isn't primarily for Star Trek fans.
Yes Jimmy, we get it. You don't need to repeat yourself.i know, i was just trying to be funny...
I just don't know what it's gaining by setting itself 10 years before Kirk. The whole premise screams, bear minimum, Lost Era between Star Trek VI and TNG.YES!! i have been saying that all along!
- The Khitomer Accords obviously broke down sometime between Star Trek VI and TNG, since in "Yesterday's Enterprise" Castillo clearly mentions that the Federation and Klingons were negotiating a new treaty in 2344.
- The Excelsior's transwarp drive could be substituted for Discovery's Spore Drive. We really don't know anything about why the drive failed, other than Scotty sabotaging it. At some point Starfleet would have tried to fix it, so what happened?
- The characters and their histories could easily fit between Star Trek VI and TNG; only Burnham would need some adjustments, but so far she doesn't really seem to be gaining anything by being raised by Sarek that she wouldn't from another Vulcan.
- There would be no issue ignoring the Augment Virus because it was cured sometime between TOS and TMP.
- Changing the show to fit the Lost Era would only need changes that only the most hardcore of fans would notice. The casual viewer wouldn't even notice a difference.
Wait what?!? A Star Trek show, isn't for Star Trek fans? Who's it for? My Little Pony fans? Seriously, that's a really poor argument in an attempt to defend this turd of a show.
i really wanted to like it; i tried... i just couldnt get past ep 3...
The advantage of setting it Before TOS (or at least 100 years after NEM like how TNG was with TOS) is new audience, they won't need to watch the previous series to understand anything.I'm sorry but this argument is bullshit, there's no other way to say it.
if the show was placed in The Lost Era timeline, and stuck to canon, i would have absolutely LOVED this series right from the beginning! there was so much space and time between Ent-B, Ent-C, eother timeline would have been fine... hell, they could have started Ent-B era and went for many years airing until much later in Ent-C era... or anywhere in between...
i sooooo wish it could have been this way instead...
le sigh
The Discovery asthetic looks like it would fit better between TOS and the TOS movies.
They have aztecing, non-round nacelles (but still with dome shaped bussard collectors like the Connie), the phaser hard points match the movie ships as well.
The Connie is at least 10 years old at this point so it would still fit between the Connie and the Refit.
Though that doesn't explain the Shenzhou.
the novel Desperate Hours does try to justify some of the visual changes. The Shenzhou is a much older ship then Pike's Enterprise. The blue uniforms are the fleet standard, while the pastel sweater uniforms are just starting to be introduced in the fleet with the Constitution-class.
But saying the Shenzhou is a "much older ship" when everything about the ship screams more advanced than the Enterprise, is just plain old... wrong.It's always going to be difficult creating a pre-TOS look with modern production values and a realistic look of what the future will look like to today's audience. Enterprise walked this line fairly well, the NX-class doesn't look like paper mache sets but still can pass as pre-TOS. The uniforms look more like modern flight suits that NASA uses, instead of military uniforms.
The different uniforms on Pike's Enterprise and the "Fleet Standard" (Shenzhou/Europa/Discovery etc), I could overlook...Walker-class ships like Shenzhou are supposed to be only slightly newer then the NX-class or the Franklin, both of those looked more advanced then the TOS Enterprise. Also I agree with Tuskin, the Enterprise is 11 years old at this point, while the Discovery is a brand new prototype, it stands to reason that Discovery would be more advanced.
But saying the Shenzhou is a "much older ship" when everything about the ship screams more advanced than the Enterprise, is just plain old... wrong.
but I highly doubt it given both onscreen visual evidence which suggests it's a lot newer than the 2245-launched Constitution Class Enterprise
They redesigned the tech in DSC so it is a little more plausible from a 21st Century perspective then what was shown in TOS.
If a Connie ever shows up in DSC, you can bet its tech will look close to the USS Discovery's.
Unless they contradict themselves, I doubt it. Since Spock is seen wearing The Cage era uniform-style in their official pre-DSC book, one would assume they intend to follow through with TOS-style Constitution Class (if it's ever seen in DSC, and I have no doubt it will at some point, thou likely heavily redesigned, and blatantly... violating canon)
This is slightly blue-y. They are sort of restricting all the color schemes and they will slowly advance and become more colorful as we get closer to The Original Series, and for other reasons I can’t repeat.
And...? Weren't you the one to say that Star Trek comics aren't canon?
Well, I signed up for the free month trial they’re offering and watched the 9 episodes. It would be ok I guess if you’ve never seen another ST episode of anything else and didn’t care about Canon. Personally it’s not worth paying to watch, guess I’ll get 4 more episodes then cancel my subscription.
but they completely contradict established (Prime) canon
Unless, and I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt, they decide to abandon it all together kind of like trans warp with the Excelsior.
The visuals obviously won't match up and that's fine, those types of designs wouldn't fly today on modern TV (no computer screens? Unlabelled buttons?).
As long as you, and defenders of this trash heap are "fine" with them completely remodelling iconic starships of the era (2260s, not 1960s), then I'm sure you are perfectly fine if they redesign the Constitution Class as well (and you absolutely know, THEY WILL). As much as I hated the JJverse Connie (all 3 of them), they at least bore some resemblance to existing designs of the Prime Era. Pizza Slicer Discovery does not, nor does the Shenzhou (which looks more appropriate in a post-TNG setting)
And why exactly wouldn't TOS-era DESIGNS, work in 2018? Modern-day filming techniques, CGI, lighting (minus the stupid horrendous ass-backwards lensflaring that they insist on using all the goddamn time).
Sorry, but there is no defense for the complete redesign of the EXTERIOR VISUALS of iconic starships which we KNOW should be around in this timeline, in this era. Even ENT, when they introduced the Romulan Bird of Prey, or the Klingon ships, bore some resemblance to later era designs. They fit the timeline. DSC ships does not, and your defense of said designs is thus null and void.
Eaglemoss has released the lengths of the Walker and Crossfield classes, 423m and 750m respectively.
So it might not be the "JJverse", but they are absolutely following the stupidity of the JJverse by supersizing the ships. But this we already knew, with the ridiculously long nacelles on the Discovery.
So the Discovery is a ship that is more than twice the length of the original Connie, with a saucer rim that is supposedly half of the Connie, and a crew that is half the Connie. I'd love to hear your justification for all this?
DT: Forget trying man...seriously, apparently this is the best thing since sliced bread.
Yup, no point trying anymore.
I watch the show, but it's not "Prime Trek" in any sense of the word, regardless of what Producers, or so-called "Fans" claim. Sorry Tuskin.
The more they try to justify it as "Prime", the more they contradict what has already been established over the past 50 years.
DT: Forget trying man...seriously, apparently this is the best thing since sliced bread.
@Tuskin38: I'd love to hear your defense of this travesty. Go!
Keep in mind, this is suppose to be the original USS Defiant from TOS Mirror Mirror, and again seen in ENT In A Mirror Darkly.
According to someone who claims to have insider knowledge (so it is probably bullshit), this is just the Terran modified version (it's been 100 years after all) of the Defiant. This is not what a connie will necessarily look like when DSC gets back to the Prime Universe, and the prime one will be re-imagined because DSC is a visual reboot. Not sure why I keep responding to your bait, but here you go.
"so it is probably bullshit"
Indeed it is. If this was merely a "Terran modified version", how come noone on Discovery crew commented that it didn't quite look like the one WE are familiar with? And enough with your "visual reboot" bullshit: Discovery is not the Prime Timeline. It may be a modified version of the Prime Timeline, different but similar to what we knew from TOS and beyond, but it is NOT in any stretch, THE Prime Timeline.
Hell, even the Terran Empire doesn't match up with the TOS Terran Empire as seen in Mirror Mirror, with their logo (sword through Earth) being decidedly different. Both ENT and TOS had the same Terran Empire logo. DSC was different. So much for "they did their research".
Visual reboot. Redesigned, same universe. the lore and story hasn't changed. End of story.
Agreed! I'm loving everything I've seen in this ep. Also about the mirrored Earth in the Terran emblem? That's a visual gag for "the MU."
I don't understand why you keep coming back to this thread if you hate the show so fucking much.
I'm just going to stop responding to you.
The only thing I see it not completely adhering to canon are some of the visuals. The show is a visual reboot (designs or uses of communications) and I'm completely fine with this. I've not seen anything else glaringly against canon. I can see this show fit perfectly fine in Prime.
I'm surprised at your cavalier attitude towards this. So them using Holographic Communications in REAL TIME, does not in any way violate existing canon? When Kirk and crew had to wait several hours or even DAYS for a response? Or the fact that they are using Holograms more than a century before it became "standard".
Face it: Producers don't care about sticking with canon, visually or otherwise, and the "fans" are sheep that blindly follow what producers say (when the evidence right in front of their faces, show otherwise).
I knew you were going to mention the holograms. Those don't bother me in the slightest given the fact that they aren't physical holograms and that TAS showed they existed in some form in TOS. As for communicating almost instantly? That's a story decision. Plenty of EPs in ST have violated that.
"so it is probably bullshit"In all fairness, how do we know they didn't off screen, and someone remarked that they've had 100 years to update the ship?
Indeed it is. If this was merely a "Terran modified version", how come noone on Discovery crew commented that it didn't quite look like the one WE are familiar with?
First look at the Andorians and Tellarites in DSC, spoilers for today's episodeOk I love the Andorian! I'm not sure about the Tellarite though...
http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/14/star-trek-discovery-aliens/
Ok I love the Andorian! I'm not sure about the Tellarite though...
Ok I straight up LOVED this weeks episode - probably Discovery's best so far. Saru's speech to the crew was up there with some of Kirk and Picard's finest. I'm itching to know what's going to happen with Mirror Georgiou. Fight scenes were badass and Lorca... Well, shit, I can't imagine a better way for him to go out, though I do hope we get the prime version back at some point because I loved his character and Jason Isaacs does a hell of a job. Anyone else wondering if temporal shenanigans will undo the war, or they just roll with it, have the Federation bounce back, and this serves as Burnham's redemption?
Some little things I noticed... Viewscreen communication (no holocoms), double-fisted punches, showering sparks from totally unnecessary places on the bridge, TOS photon torpedo sound (among a few other genuine TOS-style sound effects). I'm over the moon with this one :yay:
But when Michael was hacking the communications to contact Discovery, all those noises were def TOS.
Pretty sure after this episode, that we are NOT in the Prime Universe (as I've been saying all along).The never said they didn't either. The 2250s are pretty unexplored canon-wise. We still have two episodes to wrap things up. This isn't like TNG where all the answers are given at the end of the episode.
Cause where in Trek canon, was it ever said that the Federation lost 20% of it's territory, and 1/3rd of it's fleet during a Klingon War during this era? (TOS)
The remaining episodes of season one have many pivotal developments ahead too, for the characters and the Federation as a whole.
“Redemption is a huge theme,” Harberts said. “The other thing that’s a huge theme for us is taking the Federation from the darkness into the light. One of the things we do hear about is everybody wants this optimistic version of Star Trek right out of the gate. I feel that our show has a lot of hope in it from episode to episode on the character storyline that we’re tracking. By season’s end, people will see the Federation that they’ve come to know and love from [the original series] on.”
Discovery's story arc is no different in my view.
Rather big difference in my book...I think that there's room to rectify things. We know from TOS: "Errand of Mercy" that the Federation and Klingons were still negotiating to avoid war, or maybe it's a result of this war we're seeing in Discovery (the two Koreas are still technically at war 60 years after their war, where South Korea ended up losing about 80% of its territory at one point, but if you look at South Korea today you'd never know how far the North actually occupied at one point). We could be looking at a similar situation; we could be looking at a temporal solution. Since the show is a serial and we have two episodes to go, we'll have to wait and see.
Xindi attacked Earth, killing 8 million people. In the grand scheme of things, this is literally nothing that would have a major impact 100-200 years later.
why was the USS Franklin (or Frank Lin) Starship Class in Star Trek Beyond?It could also be a generic term to describe a vessel as a starship that was used in early Starfleet, but I agree having the Franklin listed as "Starship class" doesn't help keep things clear. It took something that we could easily explain as TOS not having ironed out all the details of the universe yet and kind of threw a wrench in it.
The point is, on-screen during the 3 year run of TOS, it was never once officially referred to as a Constitution Class, regardless of it being "retconned later"If you really want to get technical, the Enterprise was listed as "Starship class" during TOS. We never saw the dedication plaque of the other Constitution-class ships. We only saw the Defiant's in "In a Mirror, Darkly", where it was labeled as "Constitution-class". So maybe the Enterprise had some kind of special plaque? Or a misprint that no one bothered to change? I understand this is reaching but when you go for every single detail you kind of open yourself up to it.
we do know that at some point between DSC and TOS they establish a neutral zoneActually the Federation-Klingon neutral zone isn't mentioned until the movies. "Federation: The First 150 Years" runs with this by having the Treaty of Organia (which allowed Klingons on Federation facilities like K7 as we saw in "The Trouble With Tribbles") be replaced with a different one that confines the Klingons to their borders in exchange for a large chunk of dilithium (thus ended the dilithium dispute as the Federation had recently admitted Coridan). Nimbus III is essentially at the junction between the Klingon and Romulan neutral zones and is established not long after.
Events are also allegedly the same.
There was a Klingon wearing cheap looking TNG armour in this episode. His make up was still DSC though.Yeah that's definitely a step in the right direction. I imagine if they do tone down the Klingon makeup they wouldn't do it in season one (for consistency). I'm just crossing my fingers for season two. The producers seem aware that the level of changes to them rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way. Let's hope they listen to the fans on this one.
It's a visual reboot, they're not going to explain why it looks different from the TOS version.
It's an alternate timeline, that is very similar to Prime, but visually distinct. It's NOT Prime. Period.
It. Is. Prime. PERIOD
Stop your fucking bullshit.
The writers and producers are god, they say it's prime it is fucking goddamn prime.
Stop your fucking language. Period!
"Visual Reboot" would explain some things, but not all. Alternate Timeline, explains EVERYTHING! Period.
Overall, a lackluster episode other than that last minute or so.
It. Is. Prime. PERIODThat is not an acceptable way to talk to staff on this site.
Stop your fucking bullshit.
The writers and producers are god, they say it's prime it is fucking goddamn prime.
Calm Down Both Of You. I've seen people get banned for less - Hence, I've never participated. I think that with all the visual, Nuance and whole personality changes made (rather) newly created, it's hard to picture it fitting into "anything pre established". So, that is also why people are hating on prequels, because it gives developers too many ways to step on preexisting ideas.While I do appreciate you wanting to calm things down, please avoid "vigilante moderating". Just use the report button or if necessary PM a staff member directly and we'll handle it. :)
"Visual Reboot" would explain some things, but not all. Alternate Timeline, explains EVERYTHING! Period.I'm fine with visual reboot (which until the producers say otherwise, it is technically), but I do wish the show would just be an alternate timeline. Not so much because of the visual changes (except the Klingons, fuck the new double-dicked Klingons), but because it just lets the show do what it wants without being hamstrung by the other shows.
Overall, a lackluster episode other than that last minute or so.
I'm fine with visual reboot (which until the producers say otherwise, it is technically), but I do wish the show would just be an alternate timeline. Not so much because of the visual changes, but because it just lets the show do what it wants without being hamstrung by the other shows.
(except the Klingons, fuck the new double-dicked Klingons)
Funny note here but that's not new.... That's been established in the 70s Trek Medical Manual they basically have redundancy of everything important.Oh yeah, and TNG confirmed that as well in the episode where Worf got paralyzed.
Oh yeah, and TNG confirmed that as well in the episode where Worf got paralyzed.
As a guy I have to admit I'm kind of intrigued at the mechanics of having two now lol.
I both like and dislike Trekyards at times.
I actually like it, exept those nacelle struts and, what appears to be, the window.
Was I seeing things or did I see two of those creatures from TWOK (don’t remember their name) in a frying pan or something when they were walking through the market? Can’t rewatch it as I cancelled my All Access account.
(https://i.imgur.com/vrCl2Hs.png)my first thought was the parasites from Conspiracy, but I think your right, either the ceti eels or the creature that Nero tortures Pike with.
or the creature that Nero tortures Pike with.
See, now THAT kind of lighting I could totally get behind. But alas, the visual effects guy for Discovery seems obsessed with the overuse of a "blue filter" in every, single, space scene...Holy crap I couldn't agree more. I hate the space scenes in Discovery and hope they go more natural in season two.
Do we have any official stats on the Disco Connie? Size, crew complement etc? Supposedly Discovery herself is around 750 meters which of course is ridiculously "JJ" oversized, and the Connie WAS a big ship before the introduction of the Excelsior Class 40 years later.None that I know of. The Crossfield-class is approximated to be around 560 meters roughly (source below) - a lot of that length comes from the nacelles.
The Crossfield-class is approximated to be around 560 meters roughly (source below)
Pike has been castI'm a little disappointed that it's not Bruce Greenwood, but the resemblance to Hunter is uncanny.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/04/anson-mount-is-star-trek-discoverys-captain-pike/
He almost looks like Jeffery Hunter
What the hell is wrong with Hiawatha?
The changes between the two enterprises are as follows. The new ship has more TMP struts than TOS struts, the main hull and nacelles are shorter and more plump, the deflector dish now has one antenna vs two, the impulse module is thinner from side to side, the overall ship has a heavier plating detail, and the exterior has a more broader range in lighting and nacelle glow. I am sure there are subtle differences but I have not seen any more than you have to make a more detailed comparison so look at the calendar as concept art and all will be good and hope this quick breakdown helps.
According to Scott Schindler and John Eaves, the difference is do to legal reasons, they couldn't use the TOS design. It had to be at least 25% different because of copyright.
Sorry, but that sounds like a load of bull to me. Can't use the TOS Connie because of copyright? CBS is making Discovery. CBS owns Star Trek (on television). TOS was on television. They own the copyright for the TOS Connie. Logic dictates, they could legally use it if they so choose. They chose not to. Plain and simple.
Or can we just finally accept, that this is NOT "Prime".
Commonly accepted, but not canon.
video monitors built into its armrests, which will screen trailers for the highly anticipated second season.Now that's interesting. We might be getting trailers at SDCC.
So it's okay to throw out 50 years of "accepted" facts, just because it wasn't actually mentioned onscreen?
Again, comments like Bones remarking how the Excelsior was a "big ship", means nothing then, since the Connie is apparently bigger than the Excelsior (at 480 meters), and the Crossfield is even larger (at 750 meters).
Is that DSC (STD) is not Canon
People love talking about Sexually Transmitted Diseases around here.
You'd be factually wrong.
Sure, in your personal opinion you might not consider it canon, but you're not in charge of the franchise so that doesn't make it a fact.
Sure, in your personal opinion you might not consider it canon, but you're not in charge of the franchise so that doesn't make it a fact.
It was just a misunderstanding, I apologize.
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Honestly, I give up. The Prime Enterprise never had a bridge window, and they keep insisting this is Prime. And they keep pulling this shit.
One guy even commented, "Well now there is and I like it !". Hey, if you like the New Enterprise, all props to you! But it's not the Prime Enterprise.
Honestly, I'm so sick of seeing the griping about a bridge window. Go gripe at the designer of the Ent-D for putting a skylight on her bridge. Or go back and gripe at Jeffries for putting the bridge on top of the saucer in the first place. A window doesn't make the bridge any more or less vulnerable that it would normally be. Voyager and Nemesis both showed that a few meters of hull isn't any different than some transparent aluminum. A torpedo will still rip both apart.
On a positive note, the trailer for season 2 of Disco seems to have much better space effects since we're allowed to see the color of the Enterprise hull. And I might be mistaken or it might be lighting, but it looks like at one point(when they show an asteroid colliding with the saucer) the Discovery herself gets a repaint. Again, might just be lighting, but it looked white with black lettering in at least that shot. I could be wrong though.
Honestly, I'm so sick of seeing the griping about a bridge window. Go gripe at the designer of the Ent-D for putting a skylight on her bridge. Or go back and gripe at Jeffries for putting the bridge on top of the saucer in the first place. A window doesn't make the bridge any more or less vulnerable that it would normally be. Voyager and Nemesis both showed that a few meters of hull isn't any different than some transparent aluminum. A torpedo will still rip both apart.
Some people take this way too seriously. Chill.
How about you chill, and quit commenting on every post I make about this "issue" ?
I could never mesh the TOS style that well with what we saw in the TMP movies. IMO it was to far removed even back then.
Also... "We won't be seeing Spock in Season 2", producers said. Clearly that went out the airlock.
When did they say they wouldn't?
"I've gone on the record with saying you guys are gonna get that answer," Kurtzman said in an interview with TV Guide. "When I said that, I knew we weren't gonna get that answer [until] Season 2. Which, by the way, doesn't mean you're gonna see Spock in Season 2," he added.
Speaking on the same subject, show runner Aaron Harberts told The Hollywood Reporter: “We certainly aren't confirming that we're even going to introduce Spock and we certainly are not casting that role, either.”
We certainly aren't confirming
Which, by the way, doesn't mean you're gonna see Spock in Season 2
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/942828986647423882/52B00B9036B14576E6088C8ACA8D1DFB3A06FDB1/)Ugh. I hate him for enforcing that on the Klingon fleet. With the exception of the Sarcophagus, not a single one of the Klingon ships looks anything like a 23rd or 24th century Klingon ship. The makeup and weapons I can live with(though the redesigned bat'leth is awful), but the ships are bad. At least the Starfleet ships are, mostly, recognizable as Starfleet design. Some of those Klingon ships look more like the flavor of the week ships from Voyager.
Damn Fuller.
Maybe it was a good thing he quit the show. It probably would have been even worse. He seems to be the root blame for most of the visual changes in the series.
"Klingons shaved their head in a time of war"
Laughable excuse :D
TOS Klingons during a Cold War, had hair.
DS9 Klingons during the Dominion War, had hair.
Trek shows take time, but usually mature in their third seasons.
I saw someone on TrekBBS that dislikes the DSC Connie, not because it's different, but because it's not different enough.This is bound to happen. We're the old generation of fans now, much like how the generation before us was with TOS. Realistically, a lot of people want something super pretty and modern and different than 60s/late-80s/90s looks.
:funny
I wouldn't have minded if they used the TOS design, I also don't mind the new design I love it.Well yeah, of course people like you or I wouldn't have minded - we're long-time fans. This is the stuff we watched as kids and grew up with. The younger audience, or the people who just never thought Star Trek was "cool" until JJ Abrams did his movies, they're the ones that CBS is playing too who will want "new" or re-imagined modern versions of what we watched.
A little hair makes the Discovery Klingons look like Klingons.
A little hair makes the Discovery Klingons look like Klingons.
Why they didnt just give them hair in Season 1 is beyond me...
Now if only they re-added the eyebrows as well, and we'd have proper looking Klingons.
There are quite a few other similarities besides the usage of tardigrades.
"odd" that they are sticking to relatively canon information... for a change.
Hopefully the screen model will look like that behind the scenes diagram, and at the correct size.
One of the best aspects of Discovery was that, unlike every other Star Trek series, this was a crew that didn’t know each other, and often didn’t like each other.
TNG: Started out with a skeleton crew on the bridge; No First Officer, No Chief Engineer, No Chief Medical Officer. The Captain had never met his First Officer, or what later turned out to be his Chief Engineer. What he knew about Riker came from logs, and vague knowledge about La Forge. This was not a "crew that knew each other" from the start.
DS9: Starfleet, Bajorans, Shapeshifter and a Ferengi. All trying to work together, without killing each other. The Bajoran First Officer, absolutely hated having to take orders from a Starfleet Commander (Captain) at first. The Chief of Security was distrustful of it's new Commander.
VOY: Starfleet and Maquis forced to work together due to circumstances. While this was quickly resolved within the first season, there was a fair amount of bickering and disagreement between the two crews, before they became "One crew".
Reading the first review from "Decider", I note the following:
My breakdown of past Trek crews:
Forgive my longwindedness above, but when the reviewer praises Discovery for having a crew that didn't know each other from the start, while simultaneously laying claim that previous Trek crews were all familiar with one and other at the start, gives me very low appreciation of what may follow in said review.
Yeah, but most of their issues were basically solved in the first couple episodes, it took Discovery nearly an entire season to get there.
His behavior was hardly what I would consider "Starfleet material", and the crews behavior followed suit.
Okay, so it's the same butt-ugly intro (plus a "red angel"), with the same bad theme song...
Faith of the Heart and the ENT intro is looking better every season...
Well they never say that in the opening, so.
Kirk never said it in TOS? Picard never said it in TNG?
Yeah, must've missed that through my countless rewatch of both shows over the years. It's a sci-fi show set in SPACE, yet shows no space visuals whatsoever. It's not about the dialogue that I quoted above, and I know you understand that too, but choose to be a jackass just the same.
Lmao this Lawsuit is a train wreck
http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=tardigrades_third_complaint
The game developers attorneys said Star Wars instead of Star Trek. :icon_lol:
They also pointed the finger at a writer who might have seen the game, but she didn’t join the DSC writing team until after the alledgdly copied details had already been incorporated into the story.
Really? You're gonna poke holes in this case because they mistakenly said Star Wars instead of Star Trek?
I shit you not, people still think the original series Enterprise was captained by Han Solo, and Luke Skywalker was his First Officer. But that's okay right, those people aren't in an ongoing lawsuit against CBS.
Section 31 is supposed to be an organization that is 100% off-the-books, known only to a small handful of individuals, and not necessarily the bad guys per se, but the people who do the things nobody wants to talk about to keep the Federation the peaceful utopia it is. It's just far too easy for Hollywood writers to fuck that concept up and take the easy way out.
still wish that CBS would have got the hint that a LOT of Trekkies literally can't watch the show because it's a premium.
I think that's why they shifted Disco's direction
My theory is that Section 31 in the DSC Era has a legit a public front as an intelligence organizationI'm sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with this theory, as it goes against the backstory of the organization presented to us by Bashir in DS9 (100 years later) and Archer's understanding of Starfleet's intelligence operations in Enterprise (100 years before). In both of those prior shows, Section 31 was only known after they either tried to recruit someone to the organization (Bashir) or tried to reactivate an agent who left (Reed). Section 31 is something that's only known to those who have become directly involved with it in some way or another, and it isn't something officially sanctioned by the Federation (or even known to 99% of its populace).
Discovery is a kitbash set in the novelverse!That doesn't surprise me. DS9 and Enterprise had a habit of referencing things from either TAS or some novels if they liked the concept. Since one of Discovery's writers helmed the Voyager novel relaunch, I'm not shocked to see this trend continue.
Speaking of Commander Nhan, she looks an awful lot like a Barzan.
Also, was it just me or was a Voyager door chime used in the second episode of this season?It was. A lot of the sound effects heard on Discovery are from the TNG/DS9/Voyager era, which is a minor complaint of mine. Some TOS-style sounds are present, but not much. Instead of using TNG-era sounds to fill in the blanks, they could have used Enterprise sound effects. Not ideal, but it'd be more appropriate for the era.
Memory-Alpha has her listed under Barzan so she most likely is.
It was. A lot of the sound effects heard on Discovery are from the TNG/DS9/Voyager era, which is a minor complaint of mine. Some TOS-style sounds are present, but not much. Instead of using TNG-era sounds to fill in the blanks, they could have used Enterprise sound effects. Not ideal, but it'd be more appropriate for the era.
yes, actually, courtesy of DC Fontana! one of the few times a novel was written for Pike's Enterprise.
anybody managed to catch a dorsal shot of the in-show model, yet? I need a reference. I'm doing a TOS deco-ed Crossfield.
I give yesterday’s episode an 8.
It's still 7 years away in-universe, it doesn't need to fit right away. Slow, baby steps.
And seemed pretty obvious Pike would have to leave at the end of Season 2 so it could line up with what we know in TOS.
Wouldn't really call it "antagonizing", nor would I call it trolling (thanks for the report, Tusk).Responding with "I know you drink the CBS-Kool-Aid" and then publicly calling him out for reporting it strikes me as antagonizing. Tusk isn't hurting anybody for liking Discovery; nor is your own personal quality of life negatively impacted by him liking it. It's a TV show. I like you Darkthunder and you're a good dude, but I don't think you're always at your best when engage in discussions about subjects you don't like - you have a habit of getting personal towards people very quick and that's not right.
The term "Mary Sue" comes from the name of a character created by Paula Smith in 1973 for her parody story "A Trekkie's Tale" published in her fanzine Menagerie #2. The story starred Lieutenant Mary Sue ("the youngest Lieutenant in the fleet — only fifteen and a half years old"), and satirized unrealistic characters in Star Trek fan fiction. By 1976, Menagerie's editors stated that they disliked such characters, saying: "Mary Sue stories—the adventures of the youngest and smartest ever person to graduate from the academy and ever get a commission at such a tender age. Usually characterized by unprecedented skill in everything from art to zoology, including karate and arm-wrestling. This character can also be found burrowing her way into the good graces/heart/mind of one of the Big Three (Kirk, Spock, and McCoy), if not all three at once. She saves the day by her wit and ability, and, if we are lucky, has the good grace to die at the end, being grieved by the entire ship."
Meanwhile, while you guys roast the living crap out of the wishy-washy nature of Disco, some of us will never be able to see for ourselves and either agree or disagree with any of you.I wouldn't say that I'm "roasting" the show. If you look at my history, you'll see that 90% of what I have to say about it is positive. Of course any opinion on a show will be subjective - you may like parts that I dislike and vice versa. The only way to find out is to watch.
a premium pay service immediatly puts up a red flag for some of usWelcome to 2019. Everyone and their mother is coming up with some kind of streaming service now because cable is dying and people would rather stream online because it's much much cheaper. Networks are gonna jump on that any way they can.
not you, Frasi...er, I mean Morgan, I mean this ongoing argument between DT and Tuskan. it's like watching Siskel and Ebert on a thumbs up/thumbs down movie :funnyI think it's best that we go ahead and drop this before it flares up again. Real talk: We're all just too damn old to be acting like keyboard warriors and/or concerning ourselves with keyboard drama. I got enough things to worry about just when it comes to making sure my stupid over-priced rent is paid at the end of each month.
I think there are still people out there on dialup, for Pete's sake!There are, mostly in rural areas without much broadband infrastructure, but that's a minority of people.
If people are still on dialup in 2019, that's an issue with their service providers. Not an issue with the services offered on the Internet (streaming services). I understand the hatred of CBS All Access, as the previous Trek shows have all been on broadcast. But the last such show was in 2005, well before the advent of ANY streaming service. This is 2019. People want to be able to consume their weekly television shows at their own pleasure, on any device they so choose, in any location. Being locked to a singular television set is so... 1960s.Right on the mark. Ultimately the Internet has advanced to a point where it has taken the place of regular TV services, and as much as I dislike CBS All Access, ultimately you can't blame them for taking advantage of those advancements and trying to capitalize on it - that's life in Ferengi-ish society.
My biggest peeve with streaming, is that they are adding more and more of them. When they want to combat pirating, this simply does the opposite since most people don't want to subscribe to 15 different services, to binge their favorite shows.Cookied this. This is the exact reason why I watch Discovery via... umm... alternative methods. I don't need CBS All Access for one show - especially because CBS All Access makes you pay extra to avoid commercials. There is no way in hell I will pay for a streaming service that doesn't even get rid of ads at the lowest tier. Truthfully, I don't even watch TV much anymore to begin with. It's mostly just background noise while I either play games or read. That's it.
I stand by my opinion, after halfway through the season, that Disco is a kitbash of every other version of trek. I hear and see elements from everything from TOS to the JJverse, and the potent variety I've read all through the novels. I also detect a lot of Peter David and Daine Carey/Duane in the plots.I'd say that's fair. Season 1 had a couple of stand-alone episodes reminiscent of TOS/TNG; a season-long plot line with the Klingon War similar in style to Enterprise's third season and an overarching war like DS9 and the Dominion. I don't know where you're at in the season, but there will be an Enterprise season-four style mini arc thrown in too.
as for the Klingon's new appearance that gave the rest of you guys heart attacks, the behind-the-scenes stuff provided on the disk explains the whole thing in two words: Glenn Hetrick. for those of you that don't know, the makeup team responsible for Disco is the same guys that judged Syfy's Face Off series 5 years ago. and if you watched ANY of that show, the name is the ONLY explanation you needI'm not familiar with Face Off, so the name doesn't ring any bells. Of course, since he's responsible for the radical change in Klingon appearance, I'll be sure to remember it now. I've said before, I can live with some visual changes - it's 2019, not 1968 - but the season one Klingons were just so far removed from everything that we know as Klingon that they were just too much. Season two, thankfully, dialed these changes back. Kol-Sha in season two's "Point of Light" actually looks like a natural evolution of the TNG/DS9-style Klingons that would have been far better in season one.
frankly, morgan, we're NEVER gonna see an exact match to TOS. the viewscreen ALONE in the still said that. the Cage/Menagerie version of the original connie bridge looks like it was the size of a 35 inch CTR TV set!Oh I know, and I'm not saying that they should re-create the original Enterprise bridge like they did in "In a Mirror Darkly" for Enterprise (though as an old school fan I wouldn't object to it if they did :P ). When I say a little closer to the original, I mean like the shape of the viewscreen, maybe adding the astrogator to the helm/navigation station (modernized for 2019 of course), and perhaps keeping the computer interface style Discovery introduced but with more TOS-like colors. That's just me personally. Again, I'm not saying the bridge looks bad at all, it's just for my tastes I think there was room to for a little more classic vibe.
what I find annoying for disco so far is the OVERuse of LED's literally everywhere in an otherwise blacked-out set, which makes the JJverse's "everything's an iPod" esthetic and ENT's Nuclear submarine esthetic look a lot better.I can't argue with you there, but to be fair to Discovery, overuse of LEDs has been a thing since as far back as Voyager - hell, the Doctors golf balls had blinkies in that show. Sometimes I wish Hollywood would get it through their heads that blinkies everywhere doesn't always equal "futuristic" and more often than not just makes audiences say "what the fuck are these lights for?"
ENT's Nuclear submarine esthetic look a lot better.I actually think Enterprise did a damn good job asthetically balancing what we might think of as futuristic with what we saw in TOS - especially in season four where some brighter colors started coming out (doors painted blue, some blue carpeting, the parts that stayed metallic looked brighter, the transporter pad got a very retro design to the backwall). Enterprise certainly has its flaws but it has its strengths too, and I think the look is one of the strengths.
So now that season two is over, some initial thoughts:
* Overall, season two was very good and vastly superior to season one. It has its good and bad moments like any other show, but overall it was enjoyable.
* This episode is 90% space battle. I'm ok with that - I'm a 12-year-old trapped in the body of a 30-year old man; I like watching explosions every once in a while and this episode had a lot of that.
* Glad to see that even in 2019 the set people remember that Starfleet packs the consoles on its ships with rocks and fireworks. Yes, it makes absolutely no practical sense, but fuck it, it's as big a part of Trek as redshirts at this point.
* Discovery being removed from the 23rd century and placed in the 33rd century opens up a whole new world for season three and gives the writers a lot of creative freedom without stepping on fans toes. The process of removing Discovery from the timeline seems a bit phoned in (classify it and we'll never speak of it again).
* The ending onboard the Enterprise felt so much like a backdoor pilot for a Pike show, and goddamn it we should fucking get one. Anson Mount was a gift and Pike is exactly the kind of character we need leading a show in this day and age.
What a sad state of affairs, that we are now required to look to videogames, to get a clear look at the ships used in the television show.
It wouldn't be the first time.
The long night has come. The United Federation of Planets, the greatest civilization in history, has fallen. Now one ship, one crew, have vowed to drive back the night and rekindle the light of civilization. On the starship Discovery... hope lives again.
More Evidence of a Pike series, or at least a Enterprise focused series being in development:please oh please oh please oh please oh please :yay: i really really really hope they do this! :dance
Some season 3 news, the first Non-Binary and Transgender characters in Star Trek.
https://www.glaad.org/blog/meet-star-trek-discoverys-blu-del-barrio (https://www.glaad.org/blog/meet-star-trek-discoverys-blu-del-barrio)
Except, neither statement is true.
The J'naii (https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/J%27naii) in TNG were an Androgynous race. They had no genders at all. And if you want to get technical about things, the Trill are Non-Binary in the sense that while they can appear as either Female or Male, due to their joined nature and having lifetimes of experiences from both genders, they could potentially take on characteristics from either gender or both.
But of course, we live in a "woke" society where SJW is rampant. Much like they wanted to parade Michael Burnham around as the first Black lead in a Star Trek show (sorry Sisko), or first female lead (sorry Janeway).
Today, Star Trek: Discovery announced that season three will introduce the first non-binary and transgender characters in the history of the Star Trek franchise.
And we’ve never had a trans character in Star Trek, period.
But wouldn't expect any less from someone who will apologize for everything that CBS does, regardless of good or bad.
Agree to Disagree, on all of the above.
The first full season of Star Trek: Discovery makes its broadcast debut in the United States on Thursday, Sept. 24 (10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) as a special limited promotional run prior to its third season return on CBS All Access.
The third season of the hit series, starring Sonequa Martin-Green, is scheduled to launch Thursday, Oct. 15 exclusively on CBS All Access, ViacomCBS’ subscription video-on-demand and live streaming service.
Synthetic dilithium isn't mentioned or seen in any movie or episode so it isn't canon, and the tech manuals aren't canon.
So they're not breaking any continuity there.
Huh, I don't remember that part of the Tech Manual, but it has been a while since I read it.
Also bigger on the inside tech should exist in the 32nd century, Enterprise showed us that it existed in the 31st.
The one in Season 2 was a lot smaller than the one we saw in Season 3.
It was called a systems hub on an art diagram, it wasn't a turbshaft, the turbolifts were just travelling through it to get somewhere else.
https://i.imgur.com/9zBZeec.png
And it looks cool. That's it. I don't see the issue.
A lot of things in Trek are non-sensical, that just comes with the territory.