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Recreational Forums => Trek Discussion => Films & Shows => Topic started by: Tuskin38 on March 21, 2009, 08:25:34 AM
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As the title says, what non-canon material would you look to see as canon?
I'd say the Titan Series, and the Mirror Universe Novel series [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Mirror_Universe]
And a lot of the DS9 novels that come after Unity. [http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Unity_(novel)]
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The A Time To... series.
Tales of the Dominion War
Articles of the Federation
Destiny Trilogy
Greater Than The Sum
Titan (all novels)
Before Dishonor
Resistance
Death in Winter
Q&A
Full Circle
A Singular Destiny
Unworthy
Avatar (Both Books)
Dark Mirror
Warpath
The Mirror Universe novels
Bridge Commander
Armada
Armada II
The Good That Men Do
Kobayashi Maru (ENT Novel)
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I always thought Deep Space Nine: Millenium would make an awesome series of films.
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Hmm, I would have to agree to that.
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All of the re-launch books through the Destiny trilogy. I know that includes the below-sub-par Before Dishonor, but it leads into the following stuff...
Also, I don't know if it is considered canon or not yet, but Star Trek: Countdown. It kinda cheapens Data's sacrifice to have him brought back, but then again, he had every reason to believe it didn't work, so I guess it works out. Plus, it really seems to fit with both the crappy timeline that STO is putting up and the new movie.
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the people behind the movie consider the comic canon, and events from it are going to be mentioned/shown in th movie I.E Romulus's destruction the the trailer. they also said they would be referencing some novels, (making those events canon) they haven't said what ones though.
that was sorta ontopic.
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I say add in all but the most contradictory materials. Comics, books, etc. And somebody toss DJ a royalty check so we can see his ships on film!
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I say add in all but the most contradictory materials. Comics, books, etc. And somebody toss DJ a royalty check so we can see his ships on film!
Amen, incoming cookie torpedo!
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Yeah, DJ's ship designs.
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'ENTERPRISE' ships!
Oh wait, no I wouldn't. :P
Seriously, though. I might like to see the Romulan-Earth War ships and arc made fully canon. I think it would provide some interesting backstory to the current Romulan/Federation relationship.
Wee! Thread bombs!
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the st excalibur series. Good characters, and calhoon could out kirk kirk. He's always thumbing his nose at some admiral and the books are often as funny as they are interesting.
Ships: Anarions chruchill. The premonition.
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The USS Premonition from Armada? We have a model of it but I would like a better one. The conversion models just don't cut it anymore.
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heh we have a non conversion model of the Premonition for BC already....
but yeah that would be neat to see as canon
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To bad Star Trek isn't more like Star Wars where a lot of fans accept certain novels as Canon.
Maybe because Star Wars has less source material to go on for their universe?
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Paramount has not kept the control over the Trek novels that Lucas keeps over the SW books. Therefore many, MANY contradictions. They COULD have the authors go through their old books and tweak the little details that cause minor problems. Lucas did that with all of the SW books few years back.
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I'd like to see the A Time To series brought to Cannon...it would DEFINITELY explain Wesley's presence at the wedding :D (a better one IMHO than the deleted scenes). The only thing I'd cut out is the part where Janeway states that she dated Riker at the Academy...totally didn't think of "Death Wish" there :P
That and the Titan Series...so we can stop this debate over the asthetic properties of the ship...sheesh.
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The Titan series. The relaunches of the 24th century series, minus the whole "Destiny" arc. Aaaannnnd...that's about it for me.
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some of the stuff from Star Station Aurora, like the Ships of the Starfleet and such.
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the startrek excalibur series with calhoon. That character is a tng era kirk. He has the attitude a captain should have when dealing with various situations, including combat.
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Paramount has not kept the control over the Trek novels that Lucas keeps over the SW books. Therefore many, MANY contradictions. They COULD have the authors go through their old books and tweak the little details that cause minor problems. Lucas did that with all of the SW books few years back.
actually Paramount has a liaison at pocket books who's job is to keep track of the details in every trek book they publish.
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I would like to see the Voyager follow up concept turned into a mini series or a couple of tv movies.
But there are so many great books and authors out there who are expanding the final frontier in print it would be so hard to pick any one particular piece.
A bold and brave move would be doing Star Trek without any Star Trek in it. Perhaps doing something completely set in the Eugenics Wars or World War 3.
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lessie...Diane Duane has put a lot of effort into developing the background for the Vulcans and romulans, added several non-humanoid species that I think are worthy, and gave real names to Romulus and Remus. she made the romulans an interesting people, rather than the gigantic screaming clones of "sneaky asian communists" they keep getting portrayed as by some people
DC Fontana has a novel under her belt for the Pocket series with Chris Pike, an early Spock love afair, and an emerald the size of a cantalope that the vulcans claim as a National treasure.
one of the earliest novels to feature the Klingons as a people (Pawns and Symbols) established a couple facts. that Vulcans see a part of the electromagnetic spectrum dealing with energy emissions, and that Klingons don't see the color red, and see two shades into Ultraviolet.
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I would like to see the Voyager follow up concept turned into a mini series or a couple of tv movies.
But there are so many great books and authors out there who are expanding the final frontier in print it would be so hard to pick any one particular piece.
I bold and brave move would be doing Star Trek without any Star Trek in it. Perhaps doing something completely set in the Eugenics Wars or World War 3.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_Khan_Noonien_Singh,_Volume_1 ;)
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I know the Eugenics Wars has been in print but remember it's only canon if it's on screen which is why I'd love to see it as a series of TV or DVD movies, hense the Star Trek without any Star Trek in it! :lol:
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I have both 1 and 2, just got to read them.
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I know, Bumping my own thread :P But I have another novel!
"Last Full Measure" and "The Good That Men Do"
Basically dismisses the holographic events in "These are the Voyages...." As a Section 31 Cover Up.
they are a good read, along with Kobyashi Maru.
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I know, Bumping my own thread :P But I have another novel!
"Last Full Measure" and "The Good That Men Do"
Basically dismisses the holographic events in "These are the Voyages...." As a Section 31 Cover Up.
they are a good read, along with Kobyashi Maru.
ENT: The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing comes out Octobor.
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I know, Bumping my own thread :P But I have another novel!
"Last Full Measure" and "The Good That Men Do"
Basically dismisses the holographic events in "These are the Voyages...." As a Section 31 Cover Up.
they are a good read, along with Kobyashi Maru.
ENT: The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing comes out Octobor.
Yay! Lol, gotta pre-order
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the only Kbyashi Maru i have is the Julia Ecklar novel. did you mean that one?
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the only Kbyashi Maru i have is the Julia Ecklar novel. did you mean that one?
No, I'm talking about an Enterprise Novel, dealing with the real Kobayashi Maru, the one in the novel is suppose to be the one they base the simulation after.
I have that novel as well though.
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that's the Author I met at a local Book Signing, along with the co-author. they were signing as "L.A. Graf" for, i believe Ice Planet. Ms Ecklar said she got the idea for Sulu's planetary communication lesson from a bit SHE actually had in school.
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Paramount has not kept the control over the Trek novels that Lucas keeps over the SW books. Therefore many, MANY contradictions. They COULD have the authors go through their old books and tweak the little details that cause minor problems. Lucas did that with all of the SW books few years back.
when you say that the novel Final Frontier comes to mind lol.
Though with all this blow canon off i wouldnt mind seeing a mini series with ashes's of Eden, The Return and Avenger lol
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The Titan series should become canon; as it's the only series still worth reading. Good overall plots and interesting characters, and naturally going back to Star trek's basic: to explore strange new worlds, ... you know the rest. Definitely something different from all that fighting in the others.
TNG, DS9 and VOY are names only with almost half of the original cast left, COE was simply horrible, and while New frontiers isn't bad, Caulhound is becoming too much of a gary stue (mind though, he was one from the beginning only less blatant).
As for things that should never become canon: Destiny and all other Borg related stories before. We've seen enough of the Borg already for say, the next 50 years. Not to mention the fact that it completely destroys Roddenberry's vision of the future.
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Id like to see the Shatnerverse cannonized. It wouldn't be impossible anyway, as 2 years passed between Generations and First Contact and those events could have taken place, though some retconing would have to be done in the return to show only a segment of the borg destroyed not the entire hive lol
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McKenzie is a human raised other species, and technically, the Mckenzie part is his entire name. the Clahoun part is a tack on.
the term your looking for is "Marty Stu" for a male Mary Sue. and keep in mind, these are from Peter David...which explains all the Sue-isim
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"Star Trek: Renaissance"
I'd like to see Worf temporarily reassigned (in the hopes of Starfleet Command, that he'll stay on permanently,) to the Enterprise-E under Captain Morgan Bateson (Kelsey Grammar).
Worf, of course, still doubting the significance of his part in Starfleet & being manipulated by forces on Quo'nos & occasional visits by Q that "they're using you".
Considering everything Picard's been through since his experience as Locutus, ramming the Scimitar & the decision to fire on the allied ship in the Trek Lit ("A Time To..." mini series) at Rashanar, Starfleet Command decides to momentarily bench Picard until Command is 100% assured Jean-Luc isn't slowly losing his mind & becoming too much of a Kirk-like "cowboy diplomat".
But, in the meantime, there are those seeking to access The (TOS-Era) Guardian of Forever for malevolent ends, sending our heroes once more into the breach. (Kelsey) Bateson saddled with a Klingon X.O., his own formerly X.O. Gabriel Bush struggling with alcoholism and given the Captaincy of the U.S.S. Bozeman-A (Saber-Class).
Tempted by the possibility of going "home" to his own time, dealing a permanent blow to Kozara, altering the causality loop that sent him here...all he has to do is step through The Guardian but realizing the potential butterfly effect to Starfleet and the Federation...
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Honestly, while its not in the trek spirit, I would love to see some Maquis books. I always loved the concept, and I could see a triligy maybe with them being "destroyed" by the Dominion fleet, maybe them scattering, with no cardassians to contend with, their fight is over as far as I'm concerned, unless the Romulans or Klingons take up the old cardassian territory and try to force them out, with with plenty of dominion and cardassian hulks laying dead in space it could make them a force? Just thinking out loud
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I have a difficult time entirely believing the Maquis were 100% permanently stamped out by The Dominion. I could see a half dozen or so, laying-low somewhere. Bloodied but unbowed. Probably suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, so they're likely jumpy, emotional as hell, and unwilling to deal with staying anywhere too long or genuinely allying themselves with anyone beyond getting basic necessities of life.
Perhaps a few children of the Maquis (& their "Anti Dominion" Cardassian civilian / non-Obsiddian supporters,) were put into stasis somewhere with a guardian to make sure the campaign of Cardassian / Federation / Anti-Dominion upheaval survives & no-one gets their hands on the kids/survivors until someone comes to reactivate the sleepers.