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Recreational Forums => Trek Discussion => Topic started by: masteraccount on April 21, 2011, 05:05:29 PM
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what if, sometime between Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, someone overloaded one of the U.S.S. Enterprise's fusion reactors and the crew evacuated the saucer section and abandoned it just as the primary hull exploded, then the Enterprise is reduced to a secondary hull. What will happen next?
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They get a new one
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They get a new one
:yeahthat:
I'm sure that the shipyards would be able to construct a new Saucer in a matter of months/years.
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there's 10 years between those two movies, that's plenty of time to head back for a refit
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Of course they'd only have Warp drive and thrusters, not only that, but the SIF and deflector field wouldn't work properly; would be better if they were towed to spacedock.
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tractor beams dont work at warp
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tractor beams dont work at warp
Then what the hell good use are they? :P LOL
Nah, there are other ways of towing you know ;)
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I'm pretty sure it was established somewhere that tractors do work at warp. You just can't go too fast or do any crazy warp maneuvers. Besides they would almost have to have some way of towing things at warp even if tractors didn't work, otherwise it would be a lot harder to set up starbases and space stations on the frontier.
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Borg cube towed Voyager with tractor beam in Scorpion pt.2 just before Borg sacrifeced it to save Voyager from 8472 attack
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But they were
1 Borg
2 In the Voyager series
3 Already at the same speed and then the tractor was engaged
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Surely extending the warp field (with engineering trickery) around an object would allow it to travel at warp? Using the tractor beam may have an effect similar to a 'remote SIF'. Or just stop the object drifting out of the warp field.
Tractor beams have been used to force ships out of warp (DS9: Paradise) From what I can read, you only need to match warp velocity at the time of tractor beam initiation, after this you can change speed.
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pretty sure they work at warp, unless you mean to tell me the Stargazer was towed at impulse back to starbase that would mean it arrived shortly after what Romulas Exploded?
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They will work at warp but I'd assume you'd have to extend the warp field around the other ship/object taking the corresponding hit to the speed of both seeing how a warp reactor going *pop* due to overstress is bad thing :)
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But they were
1 Borg
2 In the Voyager series
3 Already at the same speed and then the tractor was engaged
Not only in voyager but in TNG they did the same thing. The enterprise tractored in warp a probe. (i even knew that i said wtf out loud, when i saw a tractor beam appearing from the saucer section).
But about that secondary hull getting a knew saucer.. Somehow, i see a scene where an admiral starts making a farce about the age of the enterprise and that its better to decomission her.
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Not only in voyager but in TNG they did the same thing. The enterprise tractored in warp a probe. (i even knew that i said wtf out loud, when i saw a tractor beam appearing from the saucer section).
But about that secondary hull getting a knew saucer.. Somehow, i see a scene where an admiral starts making a farce about the age of the enterprise and that its better to decomission her.
Oh you mean Star Trek 3?
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The tractor stuff was from season 1 or 2 in tng.
I mean if the enterprise (tmp) would return between those movies like the op said but without the saucer that indeed an admiral could say, that she better would be decomissioned instead again a huge refit.
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But about that secondary hull getting a knew saucer.. Somehow, i see a scene where an admiral starts making a farce about the age of the enterprise and that its better to decomission her.
Well, it's not exactly a farce when it's true - he just misspoke the age. The Enterprise was forty years old when she made her last journey, and the tech had taken something of a big step forward - thanks, coincidentally, to the Big E's refit in the interim between TOS and TMP. The TMP refit made the TOS-era ships obsolete, and the big leaps forward with Excelsior were threatening to do the same to Enterprise. (On a semi-related note, it's funny that they say Starfleet transwarp wouldn't work because of the Excelsior, but think about it - how well would it have done if Scotty hadn't sabotaged the transwarp computers?)
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the excelsiors transwarp drive (bear in mind thats on the 23rd centurary warp scailing) would probably run at the same speed as 1701-D going at warp 5 in the 24th centurary which would mean it would have run ok if Scotty hadnt sabotaged it, and it would only be .1 of a arp factor faster than the big E's max warp speed in the 23rd centurary.
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Two points, the connie was still in production so it would not have been difficult to divert a saucer from a different under construction connie or borrowed one from a decommisioned ship.
As for the transwarp. The non-canon Mr Scotts Guide stated the Ent-A had transwarp and Starfleet re-classified transwarp as warp speed and ammended the warp scale.
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Euh,
Also i believed the transwarp didn't worked on the excelsior and if scotty didn't disabled it, the ship went boom. So scotty did them a favour..
TOS TMP just had a different warpscale, what used to warp 9 over there was in tng perhaps 8.
Something like that, actually correction, they just fucked up the entire warpscales everytime. Sometimes it would seem that in tng everything went faster, while in voyager everything went uberslow.
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the excelsiors transwarp drive (bear in mind thats on the 23rd centurary warp scailing) would probably run at the same speed as 1701-D going at warp 5 in the 24th centurary which would mean it would have run ok if Scotty hadnt sabotaged it, and it would only be .1 of a arp factor faster than the big E's max warp speed in the 23rd centurary.
I thought it was canon that the Excelsior would have gone *boom* if she' hadn't been sabotaged. Where I heard it I can't remember..
Damn it, this is going to bug me for hours!
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No, that's a common fanon explanation. I'm still convinced the 'transwarp' drive on the USS Excelsior was the forerunner to the TNG warp drive; which, as we see in TNG: Relics, is substantially different to the TMP era (or even The Lost Era) Warp Drives. Enough-so to cause concern with Mr. Scott regarding the Dilithium Crystals.
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No, that's a common fanon explanation. I'm still convinced the 'transwarp' drive on the USS Excelsior was the forerunner to the TNG warp drive; which, as we see in TNG: Relics, is substantially different to the TMP era (or even The Lost Era) Warp Drives. Enough-so to cause concern with Mr. Scott regarding the Dilithium Crystals.
What about worf adoptive father? He was always banging on about the "old excelsior class" and how different the engines on the D were.
Wait, never mind. They did rip the old engine out of the excelsior and fit a "standard" warp drive in there didn't they? Maybe that's why :/
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No, that's a common fanon explanation. I'm still convinced the 'transwarp' drive on the USS Excelsior was the forerunner to the TNG warp drive; which, as we see in TNG: Relics, is substantially different to the TMP era (or even The Lost Era) Warp Drives. Enough-so to cause concern with Mr. Scott regarding the Dilithium Crystals.
You know that would make more sense, computers would have been far more advanced so the regualtion of the power flow and wot not would have meant the engines wouldv'e worked and some other advances. I like to think that the engines on an Ambassador class are the pinnacle of TMP warp technology, effiecient warp coils and powerful warp core. Then the Galaxy project turned all of that on its head and re wrote the books.
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What about worf adoptive father? He was always banging on about the "old excelsior class" and how different the engines on the D were.
Wait, never mind. They did rip the old engine out of the excelsior and fit a "standard" warp drive in there didn't they? Maybe that's why :/
again, that's fanon, the fate of the "great experiment" has never been explained in canon or even soft canon to my knowledge. I prefer the theory Majormagna brought up. If the drive was such a failure it wouldn't have made it to large scale prototype testing, Starfleet's engineers can't be that inept.