Author Topic: Updating BC (Read 5535 times)

FekLeyr Targ · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2018, 06:06:57 AM »

Looks like I've failed to mention these community patch projects from the "Command & Conquer"-Community:

Tiberian Technologies for C&C Renegade:
http://www.tiberiantechnologies.org/

Ares for C&C Red Alert 2 - Yuri's Revenge:
http://ares-developers.github.io/Ares-docs/

HyperPatch for C&C Tiberian Sun:
https://ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=27290

Perhabs these can also serve as inspiration for updating BC.

Tethys · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2018, 11:25:22 PM »

Quote from: FekLeyr Targ on April 05, 2018, 10:52:06 AM

While checking BC's credits on Mobygames (see link below), I wasn't able to find a Lead Developer but two guys in Game System Programming:
David Litwin (who was also the Project Leader): http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,11141/
Erik Novales: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,57702/

BC's credits on MobyGames:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/star-trek-bridge-commander/credits

Edit: According to an article on Gamespot, BC's engine is called NetImmerse 3.0.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bridge-commander-engine-details/1100-2589046/

Very good, first steps in what I'm sure is to be a long unpaved road ahead of us lol

Mario · « **Reply #22 on:** April 07, 2018, 01:33:18 PM »

I would not expect any of the former dev team members to have the source code. I understand that TG went bust, so if anyone bought TG assets they are the ones that have the source code. Former employees can't exactly have the source code in their possession as it doesn't belong to them, having it could be regarded as theft (depending on the circumstances of course). Also depending on the type of contract TG made with the owners of the IP source code might not even belong to them legally.

Flowrellik · « **Reply #23 on:** April 07, 2018, 11:08:59 PM »

I am in full agreement in modifying BC's engine, esp. in terms of adding new stuff like normal mapping to ships/enviornments, and maybe having turrets work for some ships?

Morgan · « **Reply #24 on:** April 08, 2018, 03:02:37 PM »

Quote from: Mario on April 07, 2018, 01:33:18 PM

I would not expect any of the former dev team members to have the source code. I understand that TG went bust, so if anyone bought TG assets they are the ones that have the source code. Former employees can't exactly have the source code in their possession as it doesn't belong to them, having it could be regarded as theft (depending on the circumstances of course). Also depending on the type of contract TG made with the owners of the IP source code might not even belong to them legally.

This is an excellent point and a potential bump in the road.

Quote from: Flowrellik on April 07, 2018, 11:08:59 PM

I am in full agreement in modifying BC's engine, esp. in terms of adding new stuff like normal mapping to ships/enviornments, and maybe having turrets work for some ships?

I think a lot of us are in the same boat at this point. If anything, however, I think solving the memory leak problems should be top priority before anything else. The pretty things like normal mapping for example would have to get in line.

Tethys · « **Reply #25 on:** April 08, 2018, 07:38:23 PM »

I agree with Morgan, memory leaks must be first and foremost, then fix anything else broken. After DiamondBC-ing the EXE, I think it would be wise to update the networking engine and bring that aspect of the game up to current technology levels (dsl internet speeds at the slowest), also improve the scripts checksumming to deter cheaters (as new features will be added that they might try to exploit/bugs, and I was told this was handled by the EXE and not MultiplayerDirTest.py). Since BC's built in anticheat is trash, I feel like this could benefit the MP community and help bring back activity to online BC. Later on, it would sure be nice to see model damage in MP ;)

vonfrank · « **Reply #26 on:** May 12, 2018, 11:01:23 PM »

So has any progress been made with this?

Like I said before, I'd love to help in any way I can but my programming knowledge is quite basic (no pun intended

).

Is there anything us plebs can do to help you scripting wizards with this?

Mario · « **Reply #27 on:** May 13, 2018, 12:54:16 PM »

Quote from: vonfrank on May 12, 2018, 11:01:23 PM

So has any progress been made with this?

If no announcements have been made here or in another thread then I'd say no.

Morgan · « **Reply #28 on:** May 14, 2018, 05:54:07 PM »

Quote from: vonfrank on May 12, 2018, 11:01:23 PM

So has any progress been made with this?

I should probably clarify that this wasn't an announcement thread for any projects, just a discussion on the source code and whether or not it could be obtained, if the .exe could be modified in someway without it, and what we would do if we had any of those options. Basically just talking.

Tethys · « **Reply #29 on:** May 14, 2018, 08:51:21 PM »

Think of it as a new pregnancy.. The project is not even born yet and still has many months left to develop/discuss

I don't even think we have settled on a name yet, have we?

vonfrank · « **Reply #30 on:** May 14, 2018, 10:22:14 PM »

Quote from: Tethys on May 14, 2018, 08:51:21 PM

I don't even think we have settled on a name yet, have we?

Bridge Commander 2: Cardassian Boogaloo

Tethys · « **Reply #31 on:** May 14, 2018, 11:23:52 PM »

Project Neutronium. Or Neutrium.

Flowrellik · « **Reply #32 on:** May 15, 2018, 02:23:32 AM »

Dilithium Sunrise anyone?

Tethys · « **Reply #33 on:** May 15, 2018, 11:00:03 AM »

Blackhole BC: Nothing escapes

on second thought, BC: Pakled Edition (make us go)

eclipse74569 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 18, 2018, 12:11:52 PM »

It seems like everyone is on board with one way or another. I've been considering remastering it using Unity for the 20th anniversary. I realize there may be "legal" issues, but, we're not out to make money from this right???

Morgan · « **Reply #35 on:** May 18, 2018, 12:20:46 PM »

Quote from: eclipse74569 on May 18, 2018, 12:11:52 PM

It seems like everyone is on board with one way or another. I've been considering remastering it using Unity for the 20th anniversary. I realize there may be "legal" issues, but, we're not out to make money from this right???

As long as we don't make any financial profit from it we're fine. I'm pretty sure the game is abandonware at this point.

eclipse74569 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 18, 2018, 01:46:22 PM »

Would anyone like to help? Lol can’t do this myself!

Tethys · « **Reply #37 on:** May 18, 2018, 09:13:33 PM »

Unity you say? I may have someone who would help, but not sure how much free time he has, I believe he is attending college or some technical school.. I will pass the word along

FekLeyr Targ · « **Reply #38 on:** May 19, 2018, 08:05:48 AM »

Quote from: eclipse74569 on May 18, 2018, 12:11:52 PM

It seems like everyone is on board with one way or another. I've been considering remastering it using Unity for the 20th anniversary. I realize there may be "legal" issues, but, we're not out to make money from this right???

Quote from: Tethys on May 18, 2018, 09:13:33 PM

Unity you say? I may have someone who would help, but not sure how much free time he has, I believe he is attending college or some technical school.. I will pass the word along

Unity is a good choice.
Except for some smaller inconveniences, we're having a good experience in using Unity for "X-Wing Virtual Machine", which is basically the same you're proposing.

http://www.moddb.com/mods/xwvm

eclipse74569 · « **Reply #39 on:** May 20, 2018, 04:27:57 AM »

I was kinda hoping to build a team here of scripters/modelers/textures, the latter of which I’ve improved on immensely lol

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Author Topic: Updating BC (Read 5535 times)