USS Titan: Canonicity

[Dalek]

I've always thought the Luna class USS Titan to be canon cos the winning design (it was a competition for those who don't know) is recognised by Paramount and they are major Trekkie copywright owners and stuff. But i have also read that people don't think it's canon because we haven't seen it on TV. But its in books. The New Frontier books are considered non-canon but the Excalibur is canon, right to the bit when it got blown up. So who's to say that the Titan is uncanon when the producers and company recognise as, well...canon?

I believe this may become a flame war as...well... canon talks usually end up like that. But its good to hear people's opinion.

[martyr]

i think the general rule is that if it is on screen it is canon, if not then it is not canon.

[intrepid90]

i think the general rule is that if it is on screen it is canon, if not then it is not canon.

100% correct

[Villain]

Spot on. And to get in before it: When one part of canon contradicts another, it's usually the newer one that is canon. But that's a mind bender.

[Dalek]

Hmm. But thing is though, the Connie refit (just one of the many examples) is recognised by Paramount but so is the Titan and all the other Luna class ships. The only truly canon thing about the Titan is that we know that Riker commands her. I suppose the Luna version is the "closest" to canon we'll ever get to her. It could be argued the same with other BC USS Titan's (I love LC's interpretaion) but cos there is only one "published" version, then... who knows?

[faro0485]

This was on screen (of sorts), does it make the ship cannon?

[Kirk]

no

[086gf]

This was on screen (of sorts), does it make the ship cannon?

Not. Even. Close. Use you head man.

[Bones]

Personally I hate Luna design it's ugly as hell, the best Titan would be something like Galaxy class refit and the best existing candidate for it is Mnemosyne class, I found that ship one of the best Galaxy like designs ever made. If they ever would be up to make canon Titan they should make it something like Galaxy and so I never considered Luna class to be the true Titan cuz I simply don't like it ;)

[intrepid90]

well the luna is wiley's texturing wip, right?
I really like the design nice and smooth...
but I wouldnt choose her for a canon titan as well we could need sth like the century for an early 25th century ship

[Phoenix]

I downloaded a ship uss titan a while ago, its a mnemosyth (sorry arent sure of spelling!!!) class ship, similar to a remoddeled galaxy and looks sweet, when all said and done what ships someone releases under what name is fully up to them, i came across one once called the uss buttercup!!!

[Dalek]

I thought Cpt Russell had a locked thread on a WIP Luna. Let me investigate Wiley's one...

[moed]

Personally I hate Luna design it's ugly as hell, the best Titan would be something like Galaxy class refit and the best existing candidate for it is Mnemosyne class, I found that ship one of the best Galaxy like designs ever made. If they ever would be up to make canon Titan they should make it something like Galaxy and so I never considered Luna class to be the true Titan cuz I simply don't like it ;)

Wholeheartedly don't agree. The Luna design is very nice. I do agree the the Mnemosyne class is excellent but, the Luna design IMHO is just as nice... just different.

And yes, Cpt. Russell is/was working on the Titan but haven't heard anything about it in quite a while.

BTW, even though "when on screen - it's considered canon" is usually the norm, I've read several articles from even Paramount people that state that the Luna Class is considered canon due to the fact that Paramount owned Pocket books is the one that started the design contest in the first place and so therefore, an "exception" was made and the Titan is considered for all intents and purposes "Canon".

[Aeries]

I thought Cpt Russell had a locked thread on a WIP Luna. Let me investigate Wiley's one...

Wiley's working on Kaden's USS Serenity, *not* the Luna. The Luna is like a miniaturized Mithra... or vise/versa, the Mithra is like a super-sized Luna with fries and extra cheese...

[Dalek]

I thought Cpt Russell had a locked thread on a WIP Luna. Let me investigate Wiley's one...

Wiley's working on Kaden's USS Serenity, *not* the Luna. The Luna is like a miniaturized Mithra... or vise/versa, the Mithra is like a super-sized Luna with fries and extra cheese...

hehe. Looking forward to the Mithra. I must admit, I like the Mnemosyne version but it doesn't fit in with the rest of late TNG/Post Nemesis. You know, no stubby necks that hold up huge saucers. This is the Post-Nem era and the Luna (and the Mithra as well) fit perfectly into that line. Ships that don't have stubby necks are:
Excalibur
Sovereign
Defiant
Steamrunner (not so sure about this one though)
Akira

You get the idea? The Luna fits the bill. It's recognised by Paramount because A) they started a flipping contest so they could let the peeps design a different ship, B) They own Star Trek rights.

The only thing I don't like about the Luna is its impulse engines. Disgusting things if you don't mind me saying so.

[NeoKaede]

The Luna is official (it's featured in the covers of the novels, there's a model of it), but not canon unless Paramount states otherwise.

And it's ugly.

[intrepid90]

The Luna is official (it's featured in the covers of the novels, there's a model of it), but not canon unless Paramount states otherwise.

corrected and qft

[Pegasus]

Not a part of the official collection which was featured in any of the movies or series.

not canon, no matter what ever the book reading fanboys want to say. :arms:

[Darkthunder]

Not a part of the official collection which was featured in any of the movies or series.

not canon, no matter what ever the book reading fanboys want to say. :arms:

QFT!

[Aeries]

I like the Luna regardless. I always thought a cool timeline would be:

NX -> Bonaventure -> Akira -> Luna -> Mithra & Ancheron...

Idk. Just always thought it would fit well. I like the ship... Cool design.