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« Reply #2320 on: April 10, 2011, 11:56:11 AM »
How are our laws "stupid"?  Do you think people should be thrown in jail for burning religious documents?

No, I think the government should have intervened to stop an international incident.

In the case of the BNP guy though, the police didn't know about it until after, so rather than stopping it (which they obviously couldn't when it's already happened), they're charging him with a public order offense.
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« Reply #2321 on: April 10, 2011, 12:01:32 PM »
No, I think the government should have intervened to stop an international incident.

In the case of the BNP guy though, the police didn't know about it until after, so rather than stopping it (which they obviously couldn't when it's already happened), they're charging him with a public order offense.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you, Limey.  It sounds to me like they're simply using this "public order offense" charge to repress freedom of speech.

Don't get me wrong - I'm against the idea of burning documents that are sacred to people, but freedom's a two-way street.  We can't use excuses like "stopping an international incident" and "public order offense" to repress idea's different than ours (no matter how much we disagree with or dislike them), that's what our "stupid American laws" try to do...

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« Reply #2322 on: April 10, 2011, 12:12:54 PM »
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you, Limey.  It sounds to me like they're simply using this "public order offense" charge to repress freedom of speech.

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech though. The people who do this kind of stuff (people like Terry Jones and pretty much anyone in the BNP) have very clear and publicly known view on other religions. Fine, they're allowed opinions on such things. But what exactly does burning a Qur'an achieve? Nothing. It's a pointless act of violence and vandalism that is done purely to piss people off and incite hatred. Hell, it's bordering on a violation of peoples freedom of religion.

but freedom's a two-way street.

Except that if someone went to burn a bible, the government would stop them.
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« Reply #2323 on: April 10, 2011, 12:35:28 PM »
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech though.
Burning a book, religious or otherwise, is an expression of disagreement or disdain with the said book and/or religion, and falls under the "Freedom of Speech" category.

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The people who do this kind of stuff (people like Terry Jones and pretty much anyone in the BNP) have very clear and publicly known view on other religions. Fine, they're allowed opinions on such things. But what exactly does burning a Qur'an achieve? Nothing. It's a pointless act of violence and vandalism that is done purely to piss people off and incite hatred.
You're absolutely right on that one.  It is pointless and can incite hatred, but as long as people don't use it as an excuse for violence, that's their right.  You say people are entitled to have their opinions, but do the rules change when they decide to voice those opinions, especially if they're not politically correct?  There's a lot of different ways to voice those opinion's people are entitled to - speech, protests, or book burnings.  As long as the way people voice those opinions is peaceful and orderly, they're well within their rights to do so.

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Hell, it's bordering on a violation of peoples freedom of religion.
How does this infringe on others freedom of religion?  I don't see how burning the Qur'an or the Bible the same thing as telling others "you can't practice this religion".  It's more like screaming "I effing hate this religion so here's what I think of it!" in a pretty disrespectful way, but that's a different ballpark than actually preventing people from worshiping the said religion.

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Except that if someone went to burn a bible, the government would stop them.
I'm assuming you're speaking of the US Government right?  Actually, no, it doesn't stop people from burning the Bible.  Where did you get that idea?

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« Reply #2324 on: April 10, 2011, 12:58:03 PM »
Burning a book, religious or otherwise, is an expression of disagreement or disdain with the said book and/or religion, and falls under the "Freedom of Speech" category.

Then by that logic, storming a UN compound, setting it alight and killing 7 people in an expression of disagreement or distain with said bookburning falls under freedom of speech, right? No.
Freedom of speech should only cover that. Speech (and peaceful protest of course). That is, a structured, logical arguament against a point. Not a blantant, shameless and pointless attach on someone else's beliefs.

How does this infringe on others freedom of religion?  I don't see how burning the Qur'an or the Bible the same thing as telling others "you can't practice this religion".  It's more like screaming "I effing hate this religion so here's what I think of it!" in a pretty disrespectful way, but that's a different ballpark than actually preventing people from worshiping the said religion.

It's attacking their beliefs.
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« Reply #2325 on: April 10, 2011, 01:10:21 PM »
Then by that logic, storming a US compound, setting it alight and killing 7 people in an expression of disagreement or distain with said bookburning falls under freedom of speech, right?
You're describing two felony's, arson and murder.  A book burning isn't either one.

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Freedom of speech should only cover that. Speech (and peaceful protest of course). That is, a structured, logical arguament against a point. Not a blantant, shameless and pointless attach on someone else's beliefs.
Freedom of Speech does cover the logical argument that you've laid out, but there's such a thing as Freedom of Expression - and that does cover blatant, shameless, and pointless attacks on someone else's beliefs.

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It's attacking their beliefs.
Yes but attacking someone's beliefs isn't a crime, and it isn't preventing that person from worshiping the way they choose.

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« Reply #2326 on: April 10, 2011, 01:33:00 PM »
You're describing two felony's, arson and murder.  A book burning isn't either one.

Granted, it was an extreme example, but my point is limitless freedom of speech can only lead to anarchy. Thus, logically, a limit needs to be drawn.

Freedom of Speech does cover the logical argument that you've laid out, but there's such a thing as Freedom of Expression - and that does cover blatant, shameless, and pointless attacks on someone else's beliefs.

Freedom of expression covers seeking, receiving or imparting information or idea. It does not, however, cover hate speech, which is illegal in just about every country except America. Hate speech covers inciting riots, which burning a copy of the Qur'an was certain to do.

Thus leading me back to my original point, "stupid American laws"
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« Reply #2327 on: April 10, 2011, 01:47:57 PM »
Granted, it was an extreme example, but my point is limitless freedom of speech can only lead to anarchy. Thus, logically, a limit needs to be drawn.
I can see your point in that regard, and that's why you can't say things like "BOMB!" on an airplane or "FIRE!" in a public place (unless of course there really are bombs and fires  :P ), but if you start restricting peoples right to voice their opinions than you risk the government taking things to far and gradually turning your country into a police state with no more freedoms than Iran, North Korea, or Lybia.

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Freedom of expression covers seeking, receiving or imparting information or idea. It does not, however, cover hate speech, which is illegal in just about every country except America. Hate speech covers inciting riots, which burning a copy of the Qur'an was certain to do.
Hate speech is still speech.  Whether or not the Qur'an burning was sure to incite a riot isn't certain - America's Freedom of Speech does cover hate speech unfortunately, and therefore we have ways to make sure that when those Klan rallies flare up riots don't start.  Most people don't give people preaching hate an audience for one, and for the people protesting them there's usually a police presence to keep order, and that is usually enough.  Order is maintained and nobody's Freedom of Speech/Expression is infringed.

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« Reply #2328 on: April 10, 2011, 05:05:40 PM »
this is supposed to be a "Funny/Awesome" thread not a "Serious/Debate" thread  lol :P

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« Reply #2329 on: April 11, 2011, 01:04:29 PM »
This.

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« Reply #2330 on: April 12, 2011, 06:22:32 AM »
Yoda Never Talked About His Life On Endor?


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« Reply #2331 on: April 12, 2011, 06:53:52 AM »
oh look at them ! what a cute family  :funny

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« Reply #2332 on: April 12, 2011, 07:03:46 AM »
Yoda Never Talked About His Life On Endor?



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« Reply #2333 on: April 12, 2011, 07:22:06 AM »
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ROFL!

so, does that mean the full on Gremlins are those that have fallen to The Dark Side??
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« Reply #2334 on: April 12, 2011, 08:15:14 AM »
just ran into this thismorning.

today is the fiftieth anniversary of the first manned orbit of the earth by Col Yuri Gagarin.

http://www.youtube.com/firstorbit?feature=yoodle

one of the first things I read was "Just Released Footage"...this might explain the lack of a Soviet entry to the intro for Enterprise...i bet the footage was still classified at the time.
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« Reply #2335 on: April 12, 2011, 10:54:40 AM »
Yoda Never Talked About His Life On Endor?



Home daddy is!
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« Reply #2336 on: April 12, 2011, 01:11:42 PM »
ROFL!
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« Reply #2337 on: April 13, 2011, 08:01:09 PM »
This is quite adorable.


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« Reply #2338 on: April 13, 2011, 09:44:46 PM »
This is quite adorable.



LOL Poor guy, betrayed by a little girl! :D
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« Reply #2339 on: April 22, 2011, 04:43:15 AM »


 :funny
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