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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #220 on: January 14, 2018, 02:17:32 PM »
Guys, to be honest, I don't like Discovery series. It feels more like JJ Verse than actual trek

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #221 on: January 14, 2018, 09:57:37 PM »
"so it is probably bullshit"

Indeed it is. If this was merely a "Terran modified version", how come noone on Discovery crew commented that it didn't quite look like the one WE are familiar with?
In all fairness, how do we know they didn't off screen, and someone remarked that they've had 100 years to update the ship?

I have my concerns about Discovery going to the mirror universe 10 years before Kirk did, but I'm trying to keep an open mind.  We know Starfleet has a tendency to classify some things, and the Defiant was lost after Kirk visited the mirror universe, but Archer mentioned that there was no mention of it in the Defiant's databanks.  I think there's room for some imagination.

First look at the Andorians and Tellarites in DSC, spoilers for today's episode

http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/14/star-trek-discovery-aliens/
Ok I love the Andorian!  I'm not sure about the Tellarite though...

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #222 on: January 15, 2018, 12:54:57 AM »

Ok I love the Andorian!  I'm not sure about the Tellarite though...

The tusks make them look even more like a boar following Kirk's quote.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #223 on: January 15, 2018, 03:14:34 PM »
Well, I’ve got 2 episodes left before my free trial runs out and I cancel my subscription, I’m debating paying for one month so I can finish the season.  I’ve literally not watched anything else on all access since I signed up, can’t really justify keeping it for just one show. 

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #224 on: January 28, 2018, 11:31:27 PM »
Ok I straight up LOVED this weeks episode - probably Discovery's best so far.  Saru's speech to the crew was up there with some of Kirk and Picard's finest.  I'm itching to know what's going to happen with Mirror Georgiou.  Fight scenes were badass and Lorca... Well, shit, I can't imagine a better way for him to go out, though I do hope we get the prime version back at some point because I loved his character and Jason Isaacs does a hell of a job.  Anyone else wondering if temporal shenanigans will undo the war, or they just roll with it, have the Federation bounce back, and this serves as Burnham's redemption?

Some little things I noticed... Viewscreen communication (no holocoms), double-fisted punches, showering sparks from totally unnecessary places on the bridge, TOS photon torpedo sound (among a few other genuine TOS-style sound effects).  I'm over the moon with this one  :yay:

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #225 on: January 29, 2018, 08:15:43 AM »
Well, I never thought I’d be impressed with this show but I have to say that I really liked this episode.  Looks like I’ll have to pay for one month to finish the season, I’m really curious to find out what happened to “Prime” Lorca as well.  Also, have they said when season 2 will start?

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #226 on: January 29, 2018, 12:20:17 PM »
Memory Alpha is saying September of this year but I've heard 2019 also.

I hope we get Prime Lorca at some point.

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« Reply #227 on: January 29, 2018, 03:14:29 PM »
Pretty sure after this episode, that we are NOT in the Prime Universe (as I've been saying all along).

Cause where in Trek canon, was it ever said that the Federation lost 20% of it's territory, and 1/3rd of it's fleet during a Klingon War during this era? (TOS)
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #228 on: January 29, 2018, 04:26:47 PM »
Ahh but DT, this is the alternate alternate/mirrored alternate alternate primes universe where our Trek continues to have steaming big pile of shit heaped on it  :picardfacepalm:

The ships and feel should be of the Kelvin/NX era regardless....... you can have modern day production values and still keep it aesthetically similar with a sprinkling of newness.

Having it pre TOS was a bad bad decision in my book, if they had to set it in prequel territory then they should've gone TLE.
Set it 10 -20 years after Kirks death and use the TMP design and tech and bring it up to modern day production values... slowly introduce influences of TNG.

Hell!! they still could've even had the spore drive as the core of the story still after the failure of transwarp etc, etc

I've still watched them.... and this has made me appreciate JJ Trek more.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #229 on: January 29, 2018, 04:39:37 PM »
Ok I straight up LOVED this weeks episode - probably Discovery's best so far.  Saru's speech to the crew was up there with some of Kirk and Picard's finest.  I'm itching to know what's going to happen with Mirror Georgiou.  Fight scenes were badass and Lorca... Well, shit, I can't imagine a better way for him to go out, though I do hope we get the prime version back at some point because I loved his character and Jason Isaacs does a hell of a job.  Anyone else wondering if temporal shenanigans will undo the war, or they just roll with it, have the Federation bounce back, and this serves as Burnham's redemption?

Some little things I noticed... Viewscreen communication (no holocoms), double-fisted punches, showering sparks from totally unnecessary places on the bridge, TOS photon torpedo sound (among a few other genuine TOS-style sound effects).  I'm over the moon with this one  :yay:

They've been using classic sound effects all season, though not just TOS, but TNG and others as well.

But when Michael was hacking the communications to contact Discovery, all those noises were def TOS.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #230 on: January 30, 2018, 10:20:44 AM »
But when Michael was hacking the communications to contact Discovery, all those noises were def TOS.

Confirmed! They use TOS noises. It must be Prime. /sarcasm
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #231 on: January 30, 2018, 12:25:35 PM »
Pretty sure after this episode, that we are NOT in the Prime Universe (as I've been saying all along).

Cause where in Trek canon, was it ever said that the Federation lost 20% of it's territory, and 1/3rd of it's fleet during a Klingon War during this era? (TOS)
The never said they didn't either.  The 2250s are pretty unexplored canon-wise.  We still have two episodes to wrap things up.  This isn't like TNG where all the answers are given at the end of the episode.

I remember during the Xindi arc people were going "why haven't we heard of this Delphic Expanse before?", well it turned out that the destroying the spheres dissipated it, hence the Expanse died in 2154.  Discovery's story arc is no different in my view.

Personally, I would probably prefer an alternate timeline as well, if nothing for the fact that it allows the writers more creative freedom, but I'm trying to keep an open mind.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #232 on: January 30, 2018, 12:32:38 PM »
http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-discovery-season-2-tca-2018/

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The remaining episodes of season one have many pivotal developments ahead too, for the characters and the Federation as a whole.

“Redemption is a huge theme,” Harberts said. “The other thing that’s a huge theme for us is taking the Federation from the darkness into the light. One of the things we do hear about is everybody wants this optimistic version of Star Trek right out of the gate. I feel that our show has a lot of hope in it from episode to episode on the character storyline that we’re tracking. By season’s end, people will see the Federation that they’ve come to know and love from [the original series] on.”

So something is going to happen in the next 2 episodes to wrap this up, I don't think it's going to be a cliffhanger, or if it is, it won't be related to the current plot.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #233 on: January 30, 2018, 03:54:10 PM »
Discovery's story arc is no different in my view.

Rather big difference in my book...

Xindi attacked Earth, killing 8 million people. In the grand scheme of things, this is literally nothing that would have a major impact 100-200 years later.

Discovery returning to their "Prime" universe, finds out that they've lost 20% of Federation territory, and 1/3rd of it's total fleet, is a pretty major deal. Or are we to assume that this is the reason Starfleet seemingly ONLY has 12 ships during TOS? (Constitution Classes, which were then known as Starship Class). Speaking of Constitution Class, they've already deviated from established canon in this regard, since the USS Defiant schematic was clearly labeled Constitution Class.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #234 on: January 30, 2018, 06:09:12 PM »
The script for 'Space Seed' referred to it as a Constitution Class
There is an illegible graphic in "The Trouble with Tribbles" which says Constitution Class (originally made for Space Speed, but unused)
TNG called the TOS Enterprise a Constitution Class in 'The Naked Now' (remastered only) and 'Relics'
DS9 called the TOS Enterprise a Constitution Class in 'Trials and Tribble-ations'
The USS Defiant's ship plaque in Enterprise called it a Constitution class in 'In a Mirror Darkly'

Most officially published items since TOS ended have called it a Constitution Class

Starship Class was retconned/explained away ages ago. It has also never been said on screen except in ST:Beyond, but they were not even talking about the Connie.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #235 on: January 31, 2018, 02:20:09 AM »
The point is, on-screen during the 3 year run of TOS, it was never once officially referred to as a Constitution Class, regardless of it being "retconned later". And if Starship Class was retconned out of existence, why was the USS Franklin (or Frank Lin) Starship Class in Star Trek Beyond?
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #237 on: February 02, 2018, 11:17:11 AM »
Rather big difference in my book...

Xindi attacked Earth, killing 8 million people. In the grand scheme of things, this is literally nothing that would have a major impact 100-200 years later.
I think that there's room to rectify things.  We know from TOS: "Errand of Mercy" that the Federation and Klingons were still negotiating to avoid war, or maybe it's a result of this war we're seeing in Discovery (the two Koreas are still technically at war 60 years after their war, where South Korea ended up losing about 80% of its territory at one point, but if you look at South Korea today you'd never know how far the North actually occupied at one point).  We could be looking at a similar situation; we could be looking at a temporal solution.  Since the show is a serial and we have two episodes to go, we'll have to wait and see.

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why was the USS Franklin (or Frank Lin) Starship Class in Star Trek Beyond?
It could also be a generic term to describe a vessel as a starship that was used in early Starfleet, but I agree having the Franklin listed as "Starship class" doesn't help keep things clear.  It took something that we could easily explain as TOS not having ironed out all the details of the universe yet and kind of threw a wrench in it.

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The point is, on-screen during the 3 year run of TOS, it was never once officially referred to as a Constitution Class, regardless of it being "retconned later"
If you really want to get technical, the Enterprise was listed as "Starship class" during TOS.  We never saw the dedication plaque of the other Constitution-class ships.  We only saw the Defiant's in "In a Mirror, Darkly", where it was labeled as "Constitution-class".  So maybe the Enterprise had some kind of special plaque?  Or a misprint that no one bothered to change?  I understand this is reaching but when you go for every single detail you kind of open yourself up to it.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #238 on: February 03, 2018, 05:10:07 PM »
So according to John Eaves (from the Eaglemoss' Shenzhou booklet), it was Bryan Fuller's directive to make the new Starfleet ships flatter and lack round nacelles, not the current producers.

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http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/02/review-eaglemoss-shenzhou-star-trek-discovery-model/


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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #239 on: February 03, 2018, 05:42:36 PM »
All the more reason for it to be a good thing that Fuller was kicked out. His "vision" of Trek, makes Brannon Braga look exceptional.
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