Star Trek: Discovery Discussion (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[CMDR CHESS]

So it's okay to throw out 50 years of "accepted" facts, just because it wasn't actually mentioned onscreen?

Again, comments like Bones remarking how the Excelsior was a "big ship", means nothing then, since the Connie is apparently bigger than the Excelsior (at 480 meters), and the Crossfield is even larger (at 750 meters).

The Only thing I accept, i guess. Is that DSC (STD) is not Canon, nor prime - anything. It's a Re-done Star Trek series made by someone else for someone else. I Like it okay as a SyFy Show, but as a Star Trek Show? And it is SO FAR removed from 50yrs or so of "traditional Trek" that it just may as well not be Trek, it's easy enough to ignore as Trek anyway. It's a Different show that just uses the same words (people, places, names, tech and governments) ... That's it. I think they should just leave all the "stuff we know" out of it. Like mentioning Spock, Kirk or the Enterprise, I actually cringe a little.

[Tuskin38]

People love talking about Sexually Transmitted Diseases around here.

Is that DSC (STD) is not Canon

You'd be factually wrong.

Sure, in your personal opinion you might not consider it canon, but you're not in charge of the franchise so that doesn't make it a fact.

[CMDR CHESS]

People love talking about Sexually Transmitted Diseases around here.

You'd be factually wrong.

Sure, in your personal opinion you might not consider it canon, but you're not in charge of the franchise so that doesn't make it a fact.

It was all opinion. I wasn't stating fact nor attempting to step on anyone's toes. Just that following again with the "reimagining of the Klingons, ships and decor." That it is a re-imaging, reinventing or rebooting of a franchise, so "EVERYTHING" that we think we have established from the past 50+yrs is wiped away ... OKAY!!??

[Darkthunder]

Sure, in your personal opinion you might not consider it canon, but you're not in charge of the franchise so that doesn't make it a fact.

Newsflash! You're not in charge of the franchise either (nor am I), so any personal opinions you might have, doesn't make it fact any more than CMDR CHESS opinions.

I recall a person who was in charge, who was adamant about a certain "John Harrison is not Khan" over and over... until, "Oops, he totally is Khan". So just because a person is in charge, doesn't mean that things can't change despite it.

[eclipse74569]

I can see where this is going and guys, settle the hell down a bit or this thread gets locked!

[Tuskin38]

It was just a misunderstanding, I apologize.

[eclipse74569]

It was just a misunderstanding, I apologize.

Thank you!

[Blackrook32]

Interesting 11 seconds from Star Trek: Adversaries...

We need to get these models in BC ASAP!!

https://trekmovie.com/2018/07/13/check-out-the-discovery-uss-enterprise-in-action-from-star-trek-adversaries-online-ccg/

[Tuskin38]

I wouldn't count it using beams as accurate to the show, since the Klingons were using the wrong FX there.

I do have the Connie ripped. It isn't as nice as it appears there, no spot lights not as shiny. It's also made for a mobile game, so not that high poly.

There are a few inaccuracies from the show, but nothing major.

I do like the placement of the weapons on the bottom of the saucer. Keeps it roughly in the spot as TOS.



I can't find any rear weapons though.

2 new images, that alien I thought might have been a Saurian, has been confirmed to be a Saurian.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/07/first-star-trek-discovery-season-2-images-arrive/

[Tuskin38]

From Anovos scale model, there is a bridge window, guess that glare we saw in the season finale is whatever that transparent screen infront of the window was.

https://www.anovos.com/collections/new-arrivals/products/star-trek-discovery-ncc-1701-u-s-s-enterprise-constitution-class-studio-scale-starship-filming-miniature

[Darkthunder]

Honestly, I give up. The Prime Enterprise never had a bridge window, and they keep insisting this is Prime. And they keep pulling this shit.

One guy even commented, "Well now there is and I like it !". Hey, if you like the New Enterprise, all props to you! But it's not the Prime Enterprise.

[Tuskin38]

As long as CBS is calling it Prime, it is factually Prime. Anything else is an opinion.

That is just the way the franchise works. If some new owner comes along and declares DSC is not prime then it will become so.

This will be my last comment Prime/Not-Prime.

[Blackrook32]

Honestly, I give up. The Prime Enterprise never had a bridge window, and they keep insisting this is Prime. And they keep pulling this shit.

One guy even commented, "Well now there is and I like it !". Hey, if you like the New Enterprise, all props to you! But it's not the Prime Enterprise.

DK, I feel your pain.

The Cage version of the 1701 Connie had a huge bridge fore window, but the was cleaned up for the series run of TOS. I think there was a shot of it in "Where no man has gone before...". This reminds me of my distress with the first season of ENT. After the umpteenth disappointment, I let it go, lol.

Do I consider STD prime? Absolutely NOT!

What I consider it as a divergent Trek. If you saw the season finale of STD, We got an GRAndromeda slipstream/multiverse extravaganza. On that score I consider Discovery is apart of a multi-verse.

And perhaps that's what the writers are doing, trying to straighten out this mess. Don't even get me started on the wraith-like Klingons....

IMO, it's a shame that 50 years of visual canon is being tossed, because CBS's Head exec. Les Moonves does not like the TOS look, to the JJ-verse. Every incarnation of Trek tied its acknowledge canon look of the original series, except STD.

Now, if they can just get over reproducing prequels!

It's been over thirteen years since ENT went off the air. I would like to see something post Nemesis. Those veteran Trek actors aren't getting any younger.

[Tuskin38]

The Comic-Con panel is about to start, several sites like TrekMovie and TrekCore are live tweeting, you could also follow the #StarTrekDiscovery hashtag

Quick run down

Season 2 early 2019

4 short 15 minute episodes to be released in December focused on different characters

Spock is in Trouble
Tilly crawls through a cocoon at some point
Number One will be played by Rebecca Romijn
https://twitter.com/RebeccaRomijn/status/1020420798404689920

Trailer!
https://streamable.com/eiv8e

Publicity photos
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/07/pike-takes-command-in-new-star-trek-discovery-season-2-photos/

[Shadowknight1]

Honestly, I'm so sick of seeing the griping about a bridge window.  Go gripe at the designer of the Ent-D for putting a skylight on her bridge.  Or go back and gripe at Jeffries for putting the bridge on top of the saucer in the first place.  A window doesn't make the bridge any more or less vulnerable that it would normally be.  Voyager and Nemesis both showed that a few meters of hull isn't any different than some transparent aluminum.  A torpedo will still rip both apart.

On a positive note, the trailer for season 2 of Disco seems to have much better space effects since we're allowed to see the color of the Enterprise hull.  And I might be mistaken or it might be lighting, but it looks like at one point(when they show an asteroid colliding with the saucer) the Discovery herself gets a repaint.  Again, might just be lighting, but it looked white with black lettering in at least that shot.  I could be wrong though.

[Nebula]

Honestly, I'm so sick of seeing the griping about a bridge window.  Go gripe at the designer of the Ent-D for putting a skylight on her bridge.  Or go back and gripe at Jeffries for putting the bridge on top of the saucer in the first place.  A window doesn't make the bridge any more or less vulnerable that it would normally be.  Voyager and Nemesis both showed that a few meters of hull isn't any different than some transparent aluminum.  A torpedo will still rip both apart.

On a positive note, the trailer for season 2 of Disco seems to have much better space effects since we're allowed to see the color of the Enterprise hull.  And I might be mistaken or it might be lighting, but it looks like at one point(when they show an asteroid colliding with the saucer) the Discovery herself gets a repaint.  Again, might just be lighting, but it looked white with black lettering in at least that shot.  I could be wrong though.

I agree with this 100% and a bridge window makes perfect sense for the Federation and their goal of exploration. What better way to have you see the stars but with your own eyes.  If they come up with a reason why it's removed later good on them but it's something so small I never understood the hate for it.

[Darkthunder]

Honestly, I'm so sick of seeing the griping about a bridge window.  Go gripe at the designer of the Ent-D for putting a skylight on her bridge.  Or go back and gripe at Jeffries for putting the bridge on top of the saucer in the first place.  A window doesn't make the bridge any more or less vulnerable that it would normally be.  Voyager and Nemesis both showed that a few meters of hull isn't any different than some transparent aluminum.  A torpedo will still rip both apart.

Your argument fails for the following reason:

The TOS Enterprise never had a bridge window. It had an area which may or may not have "looked like" a window, but it was never acknowledged as such, and that area was digitally removed in the TOS Remastered Edition.

Discovery claims it's part of the same timeline as TOS, and that this is in fact, THE Enterprise from TOS. Ergo, it should not have a window.

"But wait, this is a war refit of the Enterprise..."

An argument I've seen multiple times. Then comes the next issue: Ship scale. We know the TOS Enterprise had a certain scale, and we also know the Discovery Enterprise is upscaled from the size it had in TOS. How exactly would this fit into being the "same" ship, if they are wildly different sizes?

You may gripe as much as you want about the "gripers", but wouldn't that make you part of the group that gripes?

[Tuskin38]

Some people take this way too seriously. Chill.

[Darkthunder]

Some people take this way too seriously. Chill.

How about you chill, and quit commenting on every post I make about this "issue" ?

[Nebula]

Neither of you are letting this "issue" die. Everyone has a different expectation and appreciation/view point on this show and the series as a whole. Both can be right and wrong.

I'm actually welcoming to this fresh approach, aside from some of the "small" changes/hiccups.

It's a visual reboot that follows the established PRIME story, not a perfect reproduction of PRIME Visuals. The ships heavily borrow more on the TMP side of things and I'm happy for this.

I could never mesh the TOS style that well with what we saw in the TMP movies. IMO it was to far removed even back then.