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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2009, 09:17:23 PM »
Don't get me wrong, but I love how the ship looks, it's just that I don't see Enterprise in it.  My suggestions were not to make it look better, but rather to make it look more like the Enterprise's we love and know so well, including the Century class, DJ.

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2009, 09:58:40 PM »
We look at the evolution of federation starships to the point where some federation ships wouldn't look like federation starships at all until we're told they are. This here could be the next in the Lineage of starfleet vessels. Does the USS Enterprise D Look like the Enterprise E? C? A? B? No, they're all different classes, even if this ship isn't "Enterprise" Class,  it can still bear the name Enterprise.

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2009, 01:07:50 AM »
She is a beauty alright, but I'm not ready to call her Enterprise.  I agree that each class that has included an Enterprise has been different but they all are good as the "hero" ship.  In the shows the ship is primary piece of the background, they are almost a character in themselves. The Defiant was a fighter, always looked ready to mix it up, and the Intrepid was scrappy, not looking for a fight but up to one. They help with the story of the given show.

All the classes that have included an a ship of the line have, I feel, a grandeur in there design, including your Century class. The A through the D were explores. The E was a grand design but a defender as well, which was good given that all three movies it was in were war movies.  The Century stuck a nice balance between looking tough and looking like an explore, a step back form the Sovereign but not all the way to the Galaxy.

This new one just looks to aggressive so far and I don't think that the number of phasr strips has anything to do with it, to some one how has no knowledge of Star Trek ship design they are just lines on the hull. It is the shape and line of the hull that give the the ship it's feel. Maybe play up the Galaxy class like elements, always felt that galaxy class was a bit to grand but could help here if any one understands what I am getting at.

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2009, 01:18:08 AM »
Actually, the C and D do very much share similarities. The classic and the A did too, though that's a different story. While I get that many don't like the warship feel for the poster child of the Federation, keep in mind that ships are built for the time they are in. According to STO there's a war breaking out. Realistically, would you make an exploration ship your poster child if you were bracing for a war against foes you know are a challenge, or would you make it a warship ready to prove that your coalition will stand up for what is right?

If I remember, many felt this exact same way about the Sovvie, but now the design is adored. Same with the reimagined Classic. I'll wager in 3 months max people will be begging DJ to label this ship "Enterprise".

Failing that, after DJ has a firm grasp of backstory for her.


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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2009, 01:26:31 AM »
Federation ships are supposed to be like well federation ship, they're made for both exploration and combat (in case needed). The USS Enterprise E for example is not only a diplomatic ship of peace, but also a ship of war having to be called at any point to protect the federation. So if a ship looks beefy, it doesn't mean that the ship is just out to blow some ships away. Take example DJs new Enterprise Version, the ship is a federation ship, none the less. Top of the line, most likely, and all Enterprise Starships are top of the line. Also name one Federation ship that's not intimidating one way or another. They're supposed to be (Unless ships mainly confined to their own space kinda like Oberth etc)

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2009, 09:27:57 AM »
guys please try and avoid getting sidetracked in the thread...

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2009, 01:35:43 PM »
The only thing that gets me is the nacelle pylons. If you gave this newbie an oval saucer facing forward, it would like a Sovereign on Galaxy pylons. It just doesn't seem right.

But I dig the triangular saucer. :D
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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2009, 02:31:34 PM »
As usual excellently built DJ, model looks perfect.. Not a big fan of the design this time around (but you cant please everyone eh)

Looking forward to seeing how it looks dressed  :D

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2009, 02:41:13 PM »
not a bad ship, i kinda like it. In all honesty, though, i can't really see this being a replacement by any means for the century class. Call me a cynic, but it just doesn't seem to have that classic, or even timeless feel that the century seemed to pull off. It's the shape... I mean, it's a really nice ship, just a lot of the design elements are bothering me. I totally dig that deflector, though.

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2009, 04:38:01 PM »
I like the ship, but it seems more like the century era's version of the Prometheus rather than the Century's successor. I love the design however, although the warp nacelles look like they could be a little longer.

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2009, 04:39:58 PM »
I like the ship, but it seems more like the century era's version of the Prometheus rather than the Century's successor.

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2009, 06:10:20 PM »
Thanks all for the comments and suggestions so far.  I'm taking them all under advisement, save for changes to the deflector, with which I am very pleased.  I have made some significant modifications to the warp pylons, including an increase in the sweep angle, particularly along the rear edge.  I have also totally redone the connection points between the nacelles and the pylons.

The engines themselves have been dropped, moved back slightly, and brought inward about half their own width.

Also, I didn't mention before that ship does already have saucer separation ability, I'm just not really happy with how it looks yet though, so I haven't showed it off.  Here are some pix of the changes to the rear.  You'll note the connections are pretty different from anything that's probably been seen on previous ships.  I really wanted to retain the look of them being incredibly strong, without being overly fat or bulky.  i don't think there's any doubt they certainly look better than what was there. lol. :D  The one thing I will do to them yet is to add some polys here and there to smooth out the angles.

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2009, 06:14:55 PM »
oooh much much better! :D

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2009, 06:32:03 PM »
A huge difference. Shes a real beauty now.

I know that the deflector area is your signature, but would you consider a more gradual slope instead of such a strong angle?

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2009, 06:38:45 PM »
Curse me and my insatiable picky-ness.  I'm sorry DJ, I'm just not getting the Enterprise vibe from this ship.  I'm getting a mixture of Prometheus, Intrepid, and Supremus (the nacelles), but not Enterprise.  Sorry. :(

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2009, 07:20:51 PM »
Its just my opinion mind you, but I feel it is more like Enterprise now.

I think what it is lacking is soft edges. Perhaps that is what is turning people off to the idea. Personally I think it makes sense, as some Enterprises havent exactly been smooth globs of duranium...Ent A for instance, more a warship than a explorer from my perspective.

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2009, 08:55:56 PM »
Definitely better pylon setup than than the first pics.
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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2009, 10:36:27 PM »
This ship is yelling Enterprise at me this is right now and this is my favorite DJ ship and I can't think of a thing to make it better.

I just may have to slap a Seahawk reg on it and use it as the seahawk b in my trek story.

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2009, 10:59:22 PM »
great, now elongate the nacelles and we're onto a winner

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Re: The Next Enterprise
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2009, 11:38:46 PM »
*sob* *cry* *more sob*
I just can't bring myself to like this ship as Enterprise material.  I feel nothing for it save that it looks kick a**.
Sorry DJ, I'm just not feeling it :cry: :violin