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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: rengers on December 26, 2007, 03:12:01 PM
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while mapping the mustang and learning some lightmapping for the elysion,
I have worked the last few days on this ship.
I was inspired by various ships, like the achilles class, DJ's Century
and Vivace Class and some others :D.
The ship is in an early stage and I haven't done much on the bottom yet, so if you
have suggestions I would be very grateful if you post it here :D
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Thats one well concieved little ship, looks excellent rengers!! :D
Maybe the Nacelles could do with lengthening a bit they look a little out of proportion compared to the rest of the ship.
Other than it's great, superb work!! :D 8) :D
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that's really cool rengers. top notch work here. I can see the century class influence in the nacelles, I think.
Some c&c
Try making the deflector area pull towards the center a bit more, it will make it look more streamline.
One other thing I might do if I were building the ship is widen the nacelle stance. Because they are short nacelles, and the ship has a wide body, I think it would look more stable if the nacelles were moved outwards about 50%.
I really like the humps n top of the saucer that run along the Y axis.
I've gotta say, the front end view of this ship looks great.
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thanks for the suggestions :D
I will try to convert it :D
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Great design there mate, i like where you have put the impulse engines, and i think the over all look of the ship is sleek and sexy.
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that is 1 nice looking ship, very cool
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Hmm, I like most of it alot but I must admit I don't like the Achilles style rear/pylons she has. Looks good though, love the saucer.
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You know, I think it looks pretty cool, and there doesn't seem to be much need for improvement at all. It looks insanely fast, and that's really awesome. My only criticism might be, the nacelles seem a bit too short for such a fast looking ship.
I'm wondering what her intended role, and weapon's fit might consist of?
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Yeah I think the nacelles need to be lengthened a little more. Perhaps add more length in front of the pylon, and more behind it? I'm thinking like 1:2 ratio. Whatever length you put in front, put twice as much behind and make the nacelles a little fatter.
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thats some fine work there :) looks really good to me, but I agree with the length of the naceles
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Thanks all for the comments and suggestions :D
I have worked a bit on the nacelles, lenghten them a bit, make them a bit fatter,
and widen the nacelle stance a bit.
I'm wondering what her intended role, and weapon's fit might consist of?
The ship has 18 decks, about her intended role and her weapons potency I'm not to sure yet.
If you have suggestions, please feel free to post it here :D
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she could fill the gap between the sovereign class and the excalibur class as a heavy attack cruiser.
I like the design of the pylons ;)
It's really a cool design
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oooo, looks much better. :D
Awesome job :D
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from my part, before throwing an opinion, I'll wait until you start the textures.
I was doing a similar design on the Zeus (hull with side-placed nacelles) but I dropped it because I saw it non-federation like. Federation ships have their signature on nacelles bent upwards.
but if you end with a decent texture for it, maybe it will do.
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its a nice design.. looks like ur doing a fine job building it too :)
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The nacelles ae looking a lot better now. 8)
Good job rengers!! :D
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hehe, she really looks like a hybrid of the mithra class and the vivace class. ;)
keep up the great work! :P
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very vivace nacelles. i like them.
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VERY nice job you've done here. Unique... though the only thing bothering me about it is the width of the aft section, where the shuttle bay is located. otherwise, she's beautiful Keep up the good work. :D
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what's your prob?
too fat a$$?^^
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what's your prob?
too fat a$$?^^
LMAO!
Edit: Hey Rengers, about this ship's role... to me, she appears to be a fast interceptor of sorts. Lightly shielded, yet armed enough to hold off a target until reinforcements arrive. Maybe like a futuristic Intrepid? Or a lighter variant of Dj's Vivance? Just an idea. It's an interesting design, so it's hard for me to personally say... right now, I'd place her as a fast interceptor.
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I suggest you guys start seeing the HP's on KM 1.0
I think Rob Archer is already doing this for New Frontier, but in the meantime it would be fun to use it outside it: if this ship has Type Whatever phasers and torpedoes, I suggest you add the damage values of a ship which has that Type Whatever weapons.
say, if this is the lineage of the Vivace, use Vivace phasers (Type XVI ???). I'm not talking about hull strenght, but phaser, torpedoes, and shield settings
in that way, you will be head-to-head in terms of strenght with the rest of the ships available nowadays.
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I'm liking this one alot rengers. Nicely done. Only thing that looks off to me is the 2 smaller warp grills (blue things) you have on the nacelles just after the large warp grills. Id make them one large warp grill. But thats just my opinion though.
Still looks awesome that way you have it there.
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from my part, before throwing an opinion, I'll wait until you start the textures.
I was doing a similar design on the Zeus (hull with side-placed nacelles) but I dropped it because I saw it non-federation like. Federation ships have their signature on nacelles bent upwards.
but if you end with a decent texture for it, maybe it will do.
Not really, there's the Miranda, Soyuz, Akira, and Norway classes that all have downward nacelles. Then there's the Defiant, Prometheus, and Steamrunner classes with odd engine configurations.
As to this, it's quite interesting!
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I'm liking this one alot rengers. Nicely done. Only thing that looks off to me is the 2 smaller warp grills (blue things) you have on the nacelles just after the large warp grills. Id make them one large warp grill. But thats just my opinion though.
Still looks awesome that way you have it there.
I like the added smaller warp grills on the nacelles. Gives the ship a bit of unique look without necessary making it look dumb in any way. *cough* *cough Galaxy-X
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Well, it looks small, fast, and maneuverable, so I picture this as an FAC, or a Fast Attack Craft- or perhaps as a medium corvette at the most. As such, I'd arm it with heavy frontal torpedo, and pulse-phaser batteries, and a number of medium-strength phaser arrays to provide coverage to the other arcs.
She's equipped for attacking large, heavily-defended HVU's, and getting the Hell out of Dodge. This sucker doesn't slug it out- she dances, and strafes, and then performs a few tight evasive maneuvers as she escapes at high-speed, out-running the less-maneuverable survivors, and depending on her very strong aft shields to protect the ship from return fire.
Alternatively, this ship would make a great reconnaissance ship, a high-speed courier/transport, or as a light escort for large, fast Federation cap-ships- such as the Century-class.
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Not really, there's the Miranda, Soyuz, Akira, and Norway classes that all have downward nacelles.
I was referring to those heirs of the connie design. the connie is the icon of Trek.
Then there's the Defiant, Prometheus, and Steamrunner classes with odd engine configurations.
yah, but somehow they managed to make them eye-candy.
seeing the early designs of those ships you get to think "thank god they changed it"
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Instead of making it a fast attack craft, or some kind of warship, why dont you work out a pratical use for it, some sort of explorer ship, but it has enough fire power and shields to get it self out of trouble.
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Instead of making it a fast attack craft, or some kind of warship, why dont you work out a pratical use for it, some sort of explorer ship, but it has enough fire power and shields to get it self out of trouble.
Just like the Galaxy was designed to be.
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Instead of making it a fast attack craft, or some kind of warship, why dont you work out a pratical use for it, some sort of explorer ship, but it has enough fire power and shields to get it self out of trouble.
:roll: Hmmm ,what a novel idea... I wish I'd thought of that. And even if it's only armed with a single phaser, it's still a warship.
Anyway, that was the whole point behind Voyager, right? An explorer armed with enough firepower, and replicators, and shuttles, etc. to get itself out of trouble. And how did that show end? Oh yeah, with Voyager being refitted as an Uber-Gawd warship, very nearly wiping out the entire Borg menace single-handedly.
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Anyway, that was the whole point behind Voyager, right? An explorer armed with enough firepower, and replicators, and shuttles, etc. to get itself out of trouble. And how did that show end? Oh yeah, with Voyager being refitted as an Uber-Gawd warship, very nearly wiping out the entire Borg menace single-handedly.
another reason to go with the HP I suggested earlier ^^
fast engines, medium shields and two or three Galaxy phaser arcs well placed and you'll be outta 'ere in roughly good shape :lol:
also, unless you're ordered to hold a Dominion invasion wave, what need do you have on fighting when you can run home and bring a big4$$ gun?
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Instead of making it a fast attack craft, or some kind of warship, why dont you work out a pratical use for it, some sort of explorer ship, but it has enough fire power and shields to get it self out of trouble.
yeah exactly, several purposes...
But why not making an assault class?
of course, fed was always a peaceful organisation, but you can't tell me that a defiant or a sovy were designed/built as such.
So, Fed always had assault ships, and so I think it would be consequent to follow that and make it a (light) attack cruiser... *imo
Just like the Galaxy was designed to be.
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Even the mighty US Navy operates FAC's and Corvettes. Sometimes, two or three FAC's can operate as a tactical group, to do the job of a capital ship, so that the really powerful HVU's can be used on a more critical mission elsewhere. And several such units using stealth, speed and maneuverability, intelligence, high-tech weaponry, and the advantage of geographic choke points, can wreak havoc on much heavier vessels like cruisers and carriers.
It's an asymmetrical warfare asset, meant for hit and run attacks against a stronger enemy force. Like the USN, the Federation isn't always going to be the biggest force on the scene. And like the USN, there is a place for small combat ships such as the one depicted here to achieve tactical objectives through the use of asymmetrical warfare.
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Seems to me that a ship of this design is well fitted as a multi-purpose vessel, suited to both exploration and, in times of war, a FAC. So I feel inclined to agree with nighthawk, all things considered. :) But perhaps we ought to wait and see what the author thinks, hmm? Just a thought... though I eagerly await the verdict.
-Aeries.
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Thanks all for the comments :D
I was away the last 2 days, so sorry that I don't put one's oar in yet.
First, I totally agree with weasel, voyager was at the end much to overpowered.
Personally I like very much the Idea from Nighthawk with the HP, and I think I will go for it.
So this ship will be multi-purpose vessel, will have medium shilds and will be fast as hell :D,
and when it's necassary, it's still a FAC
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You've done a great job so far. And it's just occurred to me that this ship actually bears some minor resemblances to my Mithra. They almost match, in some regards. Can't wait to see both our projects finished, so I can fly them side-by-side and REALLY get a good comparison.... then have them blow eachother up in the good ol' BC fashion. :D
Keep up the good work.
-Aeries.
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Thanks Aeries :D
Little update: I have worked a bit on the sec hull, not much, no deflector yet
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Lookin' good, keep at 'er. ^_^
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update:
I was a bit quiet the last few weeks, it's beceause I'm very busy at the moment with other things in my life.
Anyway, I have found today some time to work on this :D
C&C are welcome!
Edit: I have added a wireframe shot for those who are interested :)
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Superb rengers!!
I really like this new design, the saucer has a flowing streamlined look to it, and I really like the amount of detail you've put into the secondary hull.
This ship is excellent, I really hope it gets released lol. 8) :D 8)
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WOW!! Love it... yet another ship with some DJ inspiration ;)
Looks great!
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Excellent!
Although, I hope this means that you have not scrapped the other ship you were working on. That was a great ship aswell. :)
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Thanks all for the comments :D
Although, I hope this means that you have not scrapped the other ship you were working on. That was a great ship aswell. :)
Don't worry, the Elysion will come, I only have to finish the textures, the lightmapping and then the hole rest to get this ship into game, but be sure, I will do all what I can to get it ingame :wink:
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Beautiful looking ship! This thing looks mean!
Something about the design gives it a, "don't even think about messing with me" look.
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I'm definitely feeling this.
It needs a bit of smoothing here and there, but all in all, it's nice work. way to go.
Here are a few suggestions I have that i think would really push this design to the next level.
no need to follow them, really, just a few ideas because I like the design. Take it as a compliment, not a criticism.
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Thanks DJ for the suggestions, I will definatly have a look on these :D
Something diffrent I have forgot in the last post: My maximum goal for this ship is 12k,
currently it stands on 9,7k polies
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I agree on the suggestions, but as DJ stated just suggestions ;)
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I really like the look of this ship, I hope to see her blowing up cardies and Jem'Hada
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Little update:
I have done a bit more on this ship. I have tryed to implement some of DJ's suggestions and some of my own ideas.
The ship is nearly finished, except for some smoothing work and some other stuff, but these shouldn't change the
polygon count to much. The polygon count stand on 11,8k, maybe I am able to reduce it a bit.
C&C are very welcome :D
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Seriously rengers, this is an amazing design. You've done a tremendous job on this mesh. In fact, I'm pretty certain that this is in my top 5 favorite non-canon designs. I just love the curves combined with the mechanical look. Honestly, I can't wait to see textures on this.
I have only one suggestion. Maybe lengthen the landing pad at the rear about 25-50%.
I love the front view.
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@dj: even longer?
@rengers: amazing. this is a really cool design and done with High Quality! IMO 11,8k isnt too high..
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HOLY CR*P RENGERS!!!!!
This has turned out AMAZING!
I cr*p you not!
I am SO insanely impressed!
AMAZING work for such a low poly count! Absolutely amazing!
I'd drown you in a pool of cookies, but it hardly seems fair. I give you one cookie. Let it symbolize the thousands I would LIKE to give you.
This is definitely on my top three favorite mods... I would LOVE to rant and rave, but I think I'd get yelled at.
-Aeries.
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Thats a fine looking ship you have there rengers, you definitely have the gift of ship modelling!! :D
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My god that is one heck of a ship you've got there, I can't wait to see the finished product.
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this is how the achilles should have been, have a nice cookie
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WOW!!! U have outdone yourself Rengers though i do agree with Curtis the landing pad size needs to be increased
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great modelling work :)
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it might be long enough, but perhaps more narrow at the end. It looks good as is, I'm just making a suggestion for something that might be worth trying.
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Wow that is one serious cool looking ship, amazing work.
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*whistles* Wow. At first it looks kinda bulky, but the I get a better look at it and I see how sleek and beautiful she is. Well met, rengers. Well met indeed.
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love the design
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Come to think of it, I see a real design lineage here...
Century Class = Soveirgn replacement.
Raptor = Akira replacement.
Vivance = Intrepid replacement.
Ancheron = Achilles replacement.
Cyea... it all fits... :D
At least in my head...
-Aeries.
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it might be long enough, but perhaps more narrow at the end. It looks good as is, I'm just making a suggestion for something that might be worth trying.
of course its worth trying, but imo its even now quite on the long side.
anyway its up to rengers.
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Thanks all for the suggestions and comments :D
I think I have finished the mesh, I went again over it and changed some little things, rounded some edges
and killed some errors. The most changes aren't really visible, but I thought I show you how it looks when
it's finish :D
I will start with mapping very soon, but the textures have to wait until I have finished the Elysion, so thats
maybe the last update for some time :)
C&C's are of course welcomed and appreciated
PS: the ship is mirrored at the moment, so don't care about the black line in the middle :wink:
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Nice aerodynamic shape, and the roolbar looks somewhat like the DS9 runabouts. Good combination of ship designs. Nice work.
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She looks like she could get the living heck beaten out of her, and still come back screaming, "GIMME SOME MORE!!!"
I love it. Aerodynamic, yet rather bad-@r53. :D She has my respect, fer sure.
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*whistles* Wow, sleek as a blade. I can't wait for the finished textures.
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She looks like she could get the living heck beaten out of her, and still come back screaming, "GIMME SOME MORE!!!"
I love it. Aerodynamic, yet rather bad-@r53. :D She has my respect, fer sure.
I have to second that. :shock:
And that quote deserves to be in a signature! :D
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She starts to strike me as a pocket battleship.
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I know that I have said that the textures for this have to wait until I have finished the Elysion,
but I just couldn't resist :D
My most attention goes at the moment to the elysion, and that I can finally finish her, but
sometimes I just need something diffrent to work on :D
Like I said, I wanted to put this ship in vivace and century class area, I hope that I was successful so far.
If you have ideas and suggestions, it would give me great pleasure if you post it here :)
Edit: Pix removed
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You have some wonderful work here, and yes, you have certainly succeeded in creating a vessel that flows with the Century era. She's sleek, clean, fresh and sharp. Your textures look good, and the only thing I can suggest (assuming this isn't just more evidence of my need for glasses... :( ) Is higher-resolution textures, as the ones you have right now look a tad blurry to me... again, I may just be needing that prescription... Lol.
Again, awesome work.
-Aeries.
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hm, I use 2048 textures, but the renders wasn't that good, maybe this one is better :D
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Ahh...
Yep, time for Aeries' glasses. :)
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ok, I have ported her to 3ds max, and things gets better :D
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Pretty pretty! I can't waitt to fly her!