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Recreational Forums => Techies Discussion => Topic started by: Dante Leonhart on March 08, 2010, 11:21:27 AM
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Hey guys. I posted this over at bcs but Jimmy suggested I post this here too to get more responses.
Problem is, I've never actually built one from 'the ground up' and I've been out of the loop on computer hardware and developement since the first-gen dual cores, so I really have no idea what I'm doing. I've already got a monitor and keyboard and stuff... does this look about right? I mean, if I buy this, I'm not going to get it all and find out the processor doesn't go with the motherboard or the power supply isn't enough or something like that, am I?
Oh hell... I think I need to buy Memory now that I think of it... Anyway, opinions? Help me out if you can. $1200 is the max... absolute max.
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Well, I already found a problem... (such as no computer case!) so I updated the list, but if no one has any problems/suggestions, I think I'll just go ahead and order up.
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I'd bump the power supply up to 700W
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ok. Why do you say? Any particular 700W PSU?
This?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006)
*updates*
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It's better to have a power supply that isn't screaming in it's upper limits just to deliver the needed power. I got 750W myself, and despite clocking the comp, it's still very quiet no matter how heavy stress/load it's going through.
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I have C2D E8400, GTX 275 Super OC, 1TB HDD and my Tracer 500W highlander can't stand full stress causing blue screens when pushed to maximum ;) I had to downclock it to GTX 275 standard clocking to get max stability, so yeah I would also suggest getting really good PSU, 650W Chieftec would be good enough (It's not only about max power output but also about outputs per each line, amperage and this kind of stuff)
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Thanks guys. I did just like you suggested. The new comp is on the way! Biting my fingernails until it gets here. I hope I did everything right.
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I didnt even have to read your post or look at the pic to figure out that you would go I7..lol
Its sad that AMD can make such UBER graphics cards ...but cant make a CPU like the I7...
Even though if your gaming an AMD system would be just fine..
I have this system:
Phenom II X4 955BE@ 3.4GHZ
6gigs DDR3 1600 Centon ram
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO motheboard
Diamond HD5870 video card
1 seagate Barracuda 160gig SATA2(OS drive), 4x OCZ_Agility Series 60gig SSD's in RAID0(games etc)
Onboard VIA HD sound
Onboard giga-lan(1000mb/s)
850watt Antec Modular power supply
22" Westinghouse LCD HD monitor connected through HDMI
Plays every game I throw at it at totally maxed out settings in the catalyst control panel and in-game, also does other tasks without much effort ..like converting movies at 1080P, rendering large 3D scenes ..etc..
Like the new Battlefield Bad Company 2 game and Bioshock 2 run totally maxed out like I said above... 60-80fps easily..
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i wish i could afford such a system :(
ah well, i'll keep upgrading this one bit by bit
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I'll be doing the same but slightly different specs. Going for an amd quad core, a 1gb video card, maybe more depending on deals, and a TB hd (most likely) otherwise I might get a bigger external. 64 bit diffenetly.. 4gb of ram ect. Not sure the exact models I am going to get but I'll probably figure it out soon.
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Yeah, I plan on using it mainly for rendering and encoding. This computer just can't handle the load anymore. I can barely complete an operation like that without an error. I got the case today though! It's got me fired up. Everything else arrives Saturday, but I'll need to wait until maybe Monday to go out and purchase Windows 7. I don't think it'd be appropriate to put XP on this new one.
:funny
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Buy I7-920. It will be cheaper and the performance is the same (for overcloaking I mean, but I dont know about stock frequences).
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Buy I7-920. It will be cheaper and the performance is the same (for overcloaking I mean, but I dont know about stock frequences).
I7? are you insane? just get an I5 and overclock overclock overclock. The I7 is way overpriced.
Bang fer buck peeps.
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overclocking isn't all its cracked up to be...
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Yes, but he said the magic word. Which is "rendering".
If people do use computers only for gaming, then indeed going for an i7 instead of an i5+good GPU would be silly.
3ds Max however is one of the few programs that can suck the life force of every single core at 100% for quite some time. Certain scenes with global illumination etc, can take 30+ minutes to render in some computers. Merely having two cores instantly halves the time. Having four cores instantly halves the half time. AND because i7s also do hypethreading, that's 2 threads per core, that's 8 virtual cores. Which means that i7s almost half the half, half time over old quad cores as well!
Pour example'
I disabled 3 cores and hyperthreading and put a complex looking V-ray scene on 3ds-max and rendered it:
It took 816s
I restarted the computer with all cores and threads enabled and rendered the same scence, same angle etc.
It took 175.5s
Trust me, if your scene takes an hour to render this adds up, (not to mention animations. 24 renders for 1 second of playtime!) this can make the difference between your computer being locked up for a week, or a day.
The only thing better than 4 cores rendering is 4 overcloaked cores rendering of cource.
In addition, there is a hidden bonus there regarding chip slots. The i5, are slot LGA 1156 if I am not mistaken.
The i7 however are slot LGA 1366. The new 6 core chips if you noticed however (980) are also slot 1366, giving a possible upgrade path in the future, without having to change the motherboard. (When the 12 core chips will make the 6 core ones cheaper or something) The first generation of 12 core chips will also be LGA 1366.
overclocking isn't all its cracked up to be...
Au contraire' mein freund.
When it comes to rendering again, I rendered the same scene with the processor (920) set at stock speed (2.66Ghz), and overcloaked at (4Ghz).
Stock speed: 227s = 3.7 minutes
Overcloaked: 153s = 2.5 minutes
It's a 40%-ish decrease in time, as would be expected by a 50% CPU speed increase.
That might not be huge, but it is a noticeable difference, especially when waiting while staring at a screen for an image to appear. (And in hours, that would actually be 1.2 hours less)
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I need money for computer for godlike game epicness.
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Au contraire' mein freund.
I know it has benefits, but overclocking can have an adverse affect on the hardware...
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I know it has benefits, but overclocking can have an adverse affect on the hardware...
Which is why you do it carefully and conservatively. As long as your PSU and cooling are good, overclocking can be really safe.
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Cookie for Senator when he noticed that I said that this computer isn't for gaming alone. That explanation is great - well deserving of some cookie-ness.
As for overclocking. Yes - I do plan to overclock. When you plan on putting your computer through something that will take 12hrs to do, saving 50% on time saves you SIX HOURS. Saving 10% still saves you an hour.
And Ned.... I'm going to be getting a serious CPU cooler before overclocking anything.
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Wait...so what are you rendering exactly? Or did I miss it?
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I know it has benefits, but overclocking can have an adverse affect on the hardware...
Which is why you do it carefully and conservatively. As long as your PSU and cooling are good, overclocking can be really safe.
It's only unsafe if you do something stupid. Like trying overclocking an old prescott core cpu without a cooler with a crappy no brand psu.
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Umm, I'm afraid to say I lol'd at this thread.
First thing you should do on any PC build is work out what you want the PC to do for you and go from there....
Could potentially save a lot of money on returns and damaged components.
Re: Overclocking; it is very dependent on hardware.
Some hardware is ok, some isn't, some is designed for overclocking out of the gate.
Spend some time with a calculator working out heat disappation, case volumes and air flow. It can save a lot of tears!
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Spend some time with a calculator working out heat disappation, case volumes and air flow. It can save a lot of tears!
That from experience EL?? :D
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Here's something from me:
Ci7 860-300$ /870-600$
MoBo:ASUS P7P55D-160$
RAM: KIT 3X2GB DDR3 1600 CL9 KINGST-200$
VGA:ASUS Radeon EAH5870-440$
HDD:1000GB WD Caviar Green-90$
Case: ASUS TA-U1
This is the perfect option.(The prices are current to my country. I don't know what are they in USA.)
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Spend some time with a calculator working out heat disappation, case volumes and air flow. It can save a lot of tears!
That from experience EL?? :D
Nah, I always use overkill. Just read a few horror stories of the Webs.