Star Trek: Discovery Discussion (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[Nebula]

https://trekmovie.com/2017/11/28/preview-star-trek-discovery-the-light-of-kahless-issue-1/

[Tuskin38]

There is a Klingon with hair in that preview.

[Darkthunder]

And...? Weren't you the one to say that Star Trek comics aren't canon?

[Nebula]

Comics are usually considered soft-canon (as was TAS) until contradicted/accepted by the shows.

Here is an interview https://trekmovie.com/2017/11/28/interview-mike-johnson-talks-writing-star-trek-discovery-and-boldly-go-comics/ It's a tie in. They worked closely with the show staff for the comic.

[Tuskin38]

And...? Weren't you the one to say that Star Trek comics aren't canon?

I was just making an observation...

[Trim]

So I noticed that All Access is offering a 1 month free trial and I’m considering doing that to binge watch the 9 episodes.  Has anyone else done this then cancelled their subscription? 

[Morgan]

I see a lot of people on Reddit doing that, so not unheard of.  I personally watch Discovery through... umm... "alternative" means because I'm not paying for a subscription that has commercials.  Will buy the blu rays when they come out though.

[Trim]

Well, I signed up for the free month trial they’re offering and watched the 9 episodes.  It would be ok I guess if you’ve never seen another ST episode of anything else and didn’t care about Canon.  Personally it’s not worth paying to watch, guess I’ll get 4 more episodes then cancel my subscription. 

[Darkthunder]

Well, I signed up for the free month trial they’re offering and watched the 9 episodes.  It would be ok I guess if you’ve never seen another ST episode of anything else and didn’t care about Canon.  Personally it’s not worth paying to watch, guess I’ll get 4 more episodes then cancel my subscription. 

This is pretty much my opinion after 9 episodes. Overall, the episodes aren't all that bad, but they completely contradict established (Prime) canon, despite claims from various producers and writers. If you consider it as yet another alternate timeline, it's at least acceptable.

[Tuskin38]

but they completely contradict established (Prime) canon

No they don't.


I want a trailer for the second half of the season already.

[Trim]

I must have missed the whole spore drive - jump thing in TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager then.  Unless, and I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt, they decide to abandon it all together kind of like they did trans warp with the Excelsior.  And don’t even get me started on the Klingon ships, Canon?  Hardly.  That D7 Battlecruiser that picked Lorca up is a prime example of that, not to mention the Federation ships. 

[Tuskin38]

  Unless, and I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt, they decide to abandon it all together kind of like trans warp with the Excelsior.

They've already said they will.

They said things will be explained, lore wise.

The visuals obviously won't match up and that's fine, those types of designs wouldn't fly today on modern TV (no computer screens? Unlabelled buttons?).

Though they are planning on doing some things visually, like make the computer displays more colourful.

[Darkthunder]

The visuals obviously won't match up and that's fine, those types of designs wouldn't fly today on modern TV (no computer screens? Unlabelled buttons?).

As long as you, and defenders of this trash heap are "fine" with them completely remodelling iconic starships of the era (2260s, not 1960s), then I'm sure you are perfectly fine if they redesign the Constitution Class as well (and you absolutely know, THEY WILL). As much as I hated the JJverse Connie (all 3 of them), they at least bore some resemblance to existing designs of the Prime Era. Pizza Slicer Discovery does not, nor does the Shenzhou (which looks more appropriate in a post-TNG setting)

And why exactly wouldn't TOS-era DESIGNS, work in 2018? Modern-day filming techniques, CGI, lighting (minus the stupid horrendous ass-backwards lensflaring that they insist on using all the goddamn time).

Sorry, but there is no defense for the complete redesign of the EXTERIOR VISUALS of iconic starships which we KNOW should be around in this timeline, in this era. Even ENT, when they introduced the Romulan Bird of Prey, or the Klingon ships, bore some resemblance to later era designs. They fit the timeline. DSC ships does not, and your defense of said designs is thus null and void.

[Trim]

I always thought that this series would have been better suited to be in the post Nemesis time frame, in which case I’d be fine with everything.  I still don’t understand the fascination with “pre” this or that, frankly I don’t care what happened 10 years or 100 years before TOS. 

Do a post Nemesis series and the possibilities are virtually endless as to what you can do, no restrictions as far as Canon is concerned, not that it really matters with Discovery, lol.  I mean even “Enterprise”, which I thought sucked as well, tried to make an attempt with their Pre TOS technology and ships.  Oh well, it is what it is I suppose.

[Tuskin38]

As long as you, and defenders of this trash heap are "fine" with them completely remodelling iconic starships of the era (2260s, not 1960s), then I'm sure you are perfectly fine if they redesign the Constitution Class as well (and you absolutely know, THEY WILL). As much as I hated the JJverse Connie (all 3 of them), they at least bore some resemblance to existing designs of the Prime Era. Pizza Slicer Discovery does not, nor does the Shenzhou (which looks more appropriate in a post-TNG setting)

And why exactly wouldn't TOS-era DESIGNS, work in 2018? Modern-day filming techniques, CGI, lighting (minus the stupid horrendous ass-backwards lensflaring that they insist on using all the goddamn time).

Sorry, but there is no defense for the complete redesign of the EXTERIOR VISUALS of iconic starships which we KNOW should be around in this timeline, in this era. Even ENT, when they introduced the Romulan Bird of Prey, or the Klingon ships, bore some resemblance to later era designs. They fit the timeline. DSC ships does not, and your defense of said designs is thus null and void.

The only ship I agree that looks too advanced is the Shenzhou, the rest can fit between the design of Connie (2240s) and its the Refit. All their hull details are from the TOS movies (look at the phaser hardpoints and decals), and the nacelles are a hybrid of the TOS and TMP designs.

The Ent-ERA Rom BOP looks like it came from the Nemesis era (look at those nacelles), and the Klingon ships look like they belonged in the TOS Movies and onwards. The NX-01 and other Earth ships were the only ones that really fit that era

I'm fine if they update the TOS Connie as long as it still looks like a Connie.

The design doesn't hold up, it's too simple for modern TV. Take the TOS Design and add some more details to the hull texture, and change the nacelle pylons to something similar to the refit to make them look more sturdy. I'd keep the round nacelles so it stands out (I also love those nacelles), but again a bit more detail.

Also the Connie is older then the Discovery so it might not look as advanced as it.

I'm only speaking Federation ships mind you, I hate DSC's Klingon ships (except the Sarcophagus ship)

A preview for the next episode,
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/01/star-trek-discovery-despite-yourself-preview/

It was shown during an (american only) Facebook stream. If you're american TrekCore provides a link, for those who are not, they have a transcript and screen caps of it.

[Tuskin38]

Eaglemoss has released the lengths of the Walker and Crossfield classes, 423m and 750m respectively.

[Darkthunder]

Eaglemoss has released the lengths of the Walker and Crossfield classes, 423m and 750m respectively.

So it might not be the "JJverse", but they are absolutely following the stupidity of the JJverse by supersizing the ships. But this we already knew, with the ridiculously long nacelles on the Discovery.

[Tuskin38]

So it might not be the "JJverse", but they are absolutely following the stupidity of the JJverse by supersizing the ships. But this we already knew, with the ridiculously long nacelles on the Discovery.

If you removed the nacelles on the DSC it would be about the same length as the Excelsior


Eaglemoss has released images of a bunch of Fed and Klingon ships

http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-eaglemosss-newest-ships

[Darkthunder]

And the scaling of the saucer being so much larger than the Constitution Class (which is supposedly a LARGER Cruiser) ? And the fact that the Connie has 2 rows of windows on the saucer, Discovery has ONE row... Then there's the fact that Discovery only has around 150 crew members (as confirmed by Saru), while the Connie had around 300.

So the Discovery is a ship that is more than twice the length of the original Connie, with a saucer rim that is supposedly half of the Connie, and a crew that is half the Connie. I'd love to hear your justification for all this?

[Tuskin38]

I would like to say before this, that I love the TOS designs, I would watch Discovery if it looked identical to TOS, but a lot more people wouldn't. and the show wouldn't sell. People would look at it and laugh.

So the Discovery is a ship that is more than twice the length of the original Connie, with a saucer rim that is supposedly half of the Connie, and a crew that is half the Connie. I'd love to hear your justification for all this?

Different mission profiles requiring different personnel. Being in the middle of the war may also be stretching personnel thin.

Remember the Discovery is primarily a science ship, not a warship, in fact whenever they're in combat they seem to get pretty beaten up because the crew is mostly made up of scientists, Lorca and other crew comment on this a couple times.

They're probably meant to operate closer to home, not out on the fringes like the Enterprise.

Also in the 2250s the Enterprise also only had around 205 crew members, they didn't have 300-400 until the 2260s.

Here is a fan made comparison of the two ships using the size that was just revealed, the inner saucer is nearly the same size as the Connie's

Bigger doesn't always mean better, the Discovery has a bigger profile, making it harder to miss, the Enterprise is smaller, probably more manoeuvrable.