Star Trek: Discovery Discussion (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[Darkthunder]

Discovery I cannot, but the lore/narrative fits fine so far, I'm willing to let the visuals pass.

And what about the tech? Technologies that we know were either non-existent or in their technological infancy at the time: Holographic technologies, free-roaming Holograms without the need for a holographic environment like a Holodeck or Sickbay? Klingon Cloaking Devices? Klingons didn't have cloaking technology until the TMP movie-era. Robots/Androids on the bridge? We know Androids existed in this time period, but they were always non-Federation. First Starfleet Robot/Android was Data in TNG. But here comes Discovery, and completely ignores that small fact...

Like I said, visual changes I can see myself accepting. But completely messing around with technologies that shouldn't exist in that era, is where I draw the line. That and the Purple Barney the Dinosaur "Klingons".

[Morgan]

So criticism is not okay, because you happen to like it?

I never said anything of the sort; please do not put words in my mouth.  We're talking about a TV show, not the details of a new government Constitution.

I'm simply suggesting that you remember that only the third episode is premiering tonight.  All these things that you continue to mention, like the technology for instance, hasn't had a chance to be explained yet, but some of it can still be reconciled (see my earlier post where I went into detail).

Do you remember how much hate Enterprise got over the way they portrayed the Vulcans?  Militaristic, bigoted, borderline colonial?  A long way from "infinite diversity in infinite combinations" that we saw in TOS and TNG.  But then season four comes around and did a very cool three-part story arc to address that - Vulcan society had strayed AND the Romulans had been screwing with them for decades.  So not only did they address the Vulcan Asshole Syndrome, they also began the process of setting up the Romulan War.  And it happened in their fourth season, not their third episode of season one.  If Enterprise could rectify things pretty well, Discovery can too considering it has the writing talents of Nick Meyer and Joe Menosky.

Ultimately, however, it's a TV show.  You're entitled to like what you wanna like and if you don't think it's worth giving a fair shot, then by all means that's your call.  I think it does so I'm going to give it a chance before throwing vitriol at it.

[Nebula]

I'm calling it right now Captain Gabriel Lorca is Garth of Izar.

So far I'm liking it but I really hope they state why Discovery's way of travel is abandoned by Star Fleet.... I'm getting way to much of an Iconian feel from it.

[Morgan]

[Nebula]

Speaking of Section 31, am I the only one getting a strong vibe that they're being used in Discovery?

No I also got the feeling of Section 31, they made mention of "Black badges" and that gives me lots of warnings here.

[Tuskin38]

Section 31 doesn't operate in the open like that though, they're like the Men in Black, they're in the background, in the shadows.

I enjoyed Episode 3 more then the first two.

There was a Star Chart in Lorca's ready room which lines up closely with the 2002 Star Charts book.

Some references that I read elsewhere, and missed myself

Michael mentioned knowing 'Suus Mahna', a Vulcan combat form first mentioned by T'Pol in Enterprise. It was also referenced in the ST'09 novel. (Credit - TrekCore)

Strall, Stamets' counterpart on the USS Glenn mentioned the 'Zee-Magnees Prize', which was a Prize Dr. Daystrom was mentioned winning in TOS. (Credit - TrekCore)

Michael mentioned that Amanda read her and Spock 'Alice in Wonderland' when growing up, this might be a reference to an episode of the Animated Series, where it was mentioned that Amanda was fond of Lewis Carroll's works. (Credit - Starmike on TrekBBS)

[Morgan]

Section 31 doesn't operate in the open like that though, they're like the Men in Black, they're in the background, in the shadows.

This is true for DS9 and Enterprise.  It seems that starting with Into Darkness, however, that Section 31 is being, for lack of a better word, "Hollywooded" in that they're being shoehorned into anything questionable.  I'd like for Section 31 to stick to the shadows like they did in DS9 and Enterprise, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're being trotted out for Discovery in a very Hollywood-esqe way.  Still too early to know for sure though...

[Nebula]

I didn't pick this up until recently but the Engineering we saw in Discovery was actually one of Two Engineering labs and not main engineering. The ship has basically 2 drives. Warp Drive and the Experimental Drive.

[JimmyB76]

ugh this show is just stupid... lol

[JimmyB76]

According to Star Trek: Discovery, Starfleet still runs Microsoft Windows


how lame...you guys catch this?
yeah this show is just not working for me at all so far...
i really want to like it, i really do... ill give it a few more eps but im doubtful i will go beyond that...
le sigh

[Tuskin38]

According to Star Trek: Discovery, Starfleet still runs Microsoft Windows


how lame...you guys catch this?

I don't see the problem.

Such a minor thing.

[Darkthunder]

I don't see the problem.

Such a minor thing.

It is, if you don't care about such minor things as... DETAILS!

[Nebula]

you do realize that it was just random code the put together to look smart? I t wasn't meant to be dissected. Every TV show has done that.

[KrrKs]

Whaaat?
Next you're telling me that the giant Duck below the Ent-D's bridge isn't real! Come on, it was clearly seen on the MSD!
 

[Tuskin38]

I enjoy how polarizing this series is.

Is this worse then Enterprise?

[Morgan]

I enjoy how polarizing this series is.

Is this worse then Enterprise?

Depends on where you look.  The Star Trek subreddit has some haters, but most are just happy for new Trek right now.  From what I'm seeing in the BC Community it looks kind of split.

Enterprise's first two seasons got a lot of vitriol thrown at it.  It calmed down a little in season three and by season four Trek fans were starting to like it in general.

I'd say right now the polarization is about on-par with Enterprise.

We're four episodes in and so far I'm still keeping an open mind.  I can't help but feel, however, that the show would have worked better maybe 10 years or so before the first JJ film and set in that universe.  As for the Klingons, I'm trying to stay open to the fact that they can have different sub-cultures just like humans do, but they're just so different than what I'm used to that I'm having a hard time.  The more I see them, the more I think they would have worked better as a different species.

The USS Discovery is kind of growing on me.  I'm not a fan of the secondary hull or nacelle pylons, but I kind of like the Daedalus-like sphere surrounded by the saucer.  I'm really digging Lorca as a captain and want to see more of him.  I like Saru as well and him and Burnham mesh together very nicely in my mind.

[Tuskin38]

https://imgur.com/a/6HZB4

Concept art of a few of the starfleet ships in the 2nd episode

The Clark is my favourite

[Morgan]

https://imgur.com/a/6HZB4

Concept art of a few of the starfleet ships in the 2nd episode

The Clark is my favourite

Good find!  If you look at the deflectors of the Europa and T'Plana Hath, you can see some NX-class style elements to them.

[hobbs]

it looks like they are trying to use st:Online design style... its ok just not what ime used to

[Tuskin38]

According to John Eaves he was specifically told by the higher ups not to use round nacelles in his designs.
He implied there was a reason, though not his to tell.

Someone asked on Facebook

Eaves: This look is what was asked for so this is the end result.

Eaves: There is a reason behind everything and I think that all of them were really well thought out, Great story tellers on the show and they have really come up with some fantastic tales and reasons for everything and they reveal bits at a time and that is good storytelling, if you know it all up front it would take away from the mystery.?