TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[Lionus]

it's not my screen cap, I found it from some random honda forums out of all possible places.. 

[Tuskin38]

Trekmovie has a better shot

http://img.trekmovie.com/images/merchandise/st09_eggs/r2-d2.jpg

Here is a list + pictures of easter eggs, Cameos ect.

http://trekmovie.com/2009/11/18/see-r2-d2-slusho-the-tribble-friends-family-and-more-easter-eggs-in-star-trek/

I also read somewhere that Wil Wheaton's voice is in the movie somewhere, I think altered a bit in pitch or something.

Edit:

Found it

http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2009/11/in-which-a-fairly-major-secret-is-made-secret-no-more.html

[Lionus]

and, just for ROFLs and LOLs..

[Shadowknight1]

I love that they used music from STIV in that, and it was pretty appropriate.

And Leonard Nimoy dropped the F-bomb.  :eek

[Phaser]

I just saw Star Trek XI for the first time. 

While it wasn't FANTASTIC, it was a pretty good flick!  Very tastefully done.  I liked some of the things they put in and disliked others, just like anyone would.  But overall it was very tastefully done.  Favorite shot: The Enterprise rising out of the atmosphere of Titan.  That was amazing.  I also really liked how they mixed the original and new theme songs at the end.  Least favorite part: ...I'm not sure I have one particular least favorite part, but if I had to pick one I'd say the Enterprise's overall design.  While I like certain details they put in it (the lit up rim on top of the nacelles, for example--that looks great), I hate how close together they put the nacelles, and how far forward the deflector dish is.

...Oh!  And the Narada.  That thing is ridiculous--Totally impractical.


Screw you, time! I don't care when this thread was last alive, I want to share my opinion!

...That is all.

[Darkthunder]

...Oh!  And the Narada.  That thing is ridiculous--Totally impractical.

Glad you enjoyed the movie. While yes, it had some issues, overall it was a very fun movie and most of the acting was extremely well done. I especially enjoyed Karl Urban's Dr McCoy. He pretty much nailed it. My main issue with the movie overall, was the excessive use of "Lens Flares". But the space battle with the Kelvin was very well done, especially when it went completely silent (crewmen blown out to space). Acting-wise, my main issue was with Anton Yelchin (Wiktor Wiktor Chekov). I thought he overdid the accent bit, and the character seemed to me to be a "Wesley 2.0" wannabe.

For the quoted part of your post:
If you had previously read the Star Trek Countdown prequel comics (not a requirement, but helps fill in some details), the Narada was originally a Romulan mining ship from the late 24th Century. After the destruction of Romulus by the "Hobus Star", Captain Nero obtained access to a secret Romulan facility containing Borg technology, and had his ship fully retrofitted with said tech.

As we've seen in both TNG and ENT, the Borg don't always use geometrical shapes for their ships. In TNG's "Descent", they had a wholly unique design, and in ENT's "Regeneration", the Borg assimilated a Earth Starfleet transport, and began assimilating/modifying it, resulting in overall a similar "impractical" appearance before the NX-01 destroyed it.

EDIT: Modified because of 1DeadlySamurai

[1DeadlySAMURAI]

especially when it went completely silent (crewmen sucked into space).

"Correction, sir, that's blown out."
"Thank you, Data."
"A common mistake, sir."

[Phaser]

lol 1DeadlySAMURI

Anyway, agreed Darkthunder: Mr. Urban was SPOT ON.  He nailed DeForrest Kelly's inflections perfectly.  (I can't believe I forgot to mention that as a good point!)  I really enjoyed his performance.

Nero, on the other hand, was like what's-his-name from Nemesis--Shinzon.  (God, that character was so forgettable I associate the name with the guy who uses it as a screen name here, rather than that character.)  Nero wasn't a well-developed character, and the actor over-played him regardless.  I'd be surprised if Nero's total screen time was over 15 minutes.

I think the Borg tech thing is a pretty silly excuse for the design of the Narada.  The Borg are known for their efficiency.  Having useless appendages on your ship isn't efficient. (In fact, being an engineer, I can tell you that it's ridiculous.  It leads to unnecessary forces acting on the core of the ship as it accelerates and turns, and could lead to fatigue cracks.  Plus it's a simple waste of materials, though I'm sure some excuse could be thought up for it. Heat sinks, for example.)  I should have guessed 'ENTERPRISE' would have thought up that concept. :roll

Anyway, back to good and bad things, here are some more: I liked how they kept the Captain's chair concept, but updated it's appearance.  Same with the phasers (though I'm not a fan of that silly flipping part.)  The bridge, on the other hand, I thought was overly elaborate.  I liked the screens in the back, but the graphics on them were a bit much.  So were the glass panels.

The uniforms were also well done.  I felt that they updated them enough by simply adding that patterned texture.  I really liked that they kept all the lines of the clothing more or less the same.

Okay, that's enough of my ranting for now.  *Flies off into the sunset*

[FarShot]

In Countdown, it shows the Borg thingies in better detail.  They look more octopus like, with some sort of symmetrical pattern.  If you've seen the Matrix, and you remember the Machine Sentries, think something like that.  I suppose the most accurate in-universe explanation would be that the Borg started using more AI like stuff, perhaps for scouting the Alpha Quadrant, and so they could take it in a less humanoid friendly direction.  It's the stupid Romulans who slapped all those pieces all across the Narada.

As I recall, in Countdown, one of the appendages is actually used like a tentacle and stabs Worf, though not fatally.

[Darkthunder]

As I recall, in Countdown, one of the appendages is actually used like a tentacle and stabs Worf, though not fatally.

You are correct. In fact, this event and most of what took place in Countdown before "Old Spock" went through the wormhole/blackhole thingy, is referenced in Star Trek Online. Romulus being destroyed for example, and due to the addition of a relatively recent mission named 'The Vault', the Borg facility from Star Trek Countdown is also referenced.

[086gf]

I hate how close together they put the nacelles, and how far forward the deflector dish is.

It was explained why this arrangement was much more logical than how it was with the TOS 1701/A. Its been a while scine I had read it but it had to deal with the overall structural strength(which is why the neck is the way it though no matter what the new E would have looked like they would have to do that anyways) and about its manuverability(center of gravity/saucer too top-heavy in original). Which you can see how affective it is for yourself. Take an original 1701 or Refit/A(though C and D would work too but best compare to TOS/TMP Enterprise) and the new Enterprise(they don't have to be same size but again for best result...) and put both on a flat and level surface and let them go. The saucer of the old E will head straight to the ground while the new E will favor falling over on its side. I've done this several times to see if it was true for myself and indeed it is.

Anyway, agreed Darkthunder: Mr. Urban was SPOT ON.  He nailed DeForrest Kelly's inflections perfectly.  (I can't believe I forgot to mention that as a good point!)  I really enjoyed his performance.

Have you seen R.E.D. yet? If not then you should. And not to forget that he is Judge Dredd now too.

Having useless appendages on your ship isn't efficient. (In fact, being an engineer, I can tell you that it's ridiculous.  It leads to unnecessary forces acting on the core of the ship as it accelerates and turns, and could lead to fatigue cracks.  Plus it's a simple waste of materials, though I'm sure some excuse could be thought up for it. Heat sinks, for example.)

All of those torps are stored and fired from all those arms.

The uniforms were also well done.  I felt that they updated them enough by simply adding that patterned texture.  I really liked that they kept all the lines of the clothing more or less the same.

The pattern it self is actually the Starfleet Delta.

[Erk]

Hello all, I just want to say that love the maturity level here at BCC. While not everyone likes the new Trek, everyone here can at least talk logically and civil about it. I just had a horrible encounter on Youtube and was basically told because I liked the new Trek that I knew nothing of the old series and wasn't a real fan. My faith has been restored in Trek fans because of BCC. 

I really like the new Enterprise, when I see her she seems like a powerful, yet elegant vessel. The new ship is suppose to be significantly bigger right? I feel that's more appropriate than a aircraft carrier sized spaceship. Don't get me wrong, I love the original 1701, but for long distance space travel, exploration, and little to no trips to Earth, you need a larger ship and crew. Though the interior was lacking, and Bridge needed more color I felt.

New Kirk I felt was fantastic. Some argue that he's a bit of a jerk, but I feel that he represents an unseasoned, inexperienced Kirk very well.

Spock was also very good. His internal conflict with his human-half was well addressed in this movie. I also like how his position was very similar to that in"The Doomsday Machine" where he wanted to unite with the fleet instead of engaging. It was almost the same argument and I really liked that.

Now in every star trek movie something on the Enterprise changes. Sometimes its spotlights, other times its colors (impulse engines and crystal). Do you think the next movie will change the Bussard collectors to orange?

[Shadowknight1]

What I think is humorous is the knee-jerk reaction some people have to say that you're not a "real fan" if you like Abrams' Trek.

At my second viewing of the movie, when the end credits came up, an older gentleman not far from me said to me, "I've been a Star Trek fan since the original series first aired, and I loved this movie."

Can anyone really say that he's not a "real fan" because he liked Abrams' movie?  Of course not.  If anything, it's a sign of how much Star Trek has become ingrained in some of us.  It's a part of our lives, every one of us on this forum.  We may not always agree.  Jimmy, for instance, didn't like the movie.  But he sure doesn't call those of us that did "fake fans".  Nor do we try to drag him down just because he didn't like it.  We're all fans from all walks of life.  I think that that unity, even though we may not always agree on certain aspects of the "canon", despite the fact that we come from places all over the globe but stand united in our love for Roddenberry's vision...I think that THAT is what Star Trek is all about.  Remember.  Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.

[Darkthunder]

In it's purest form, "Star Trek" is about the hope for a better tomorrow. That humanity can rise above it's petty bickering, put aside racial differences, and learn to cooperate peacefully, ultimately leading to exploring the great unknown that is our universe.

Taking that into consideration: Does it really matter who's directing the movies, or who wrote what, or some guy made something look like this?

If Gene Roddenberry were alive today, and had the budgets that movie makers have these days, I think any rational person could imagine, that "Star Trek" would not look like it did in the 1960s. The "haters" of JJ Abrams "Star Trek" are the ones who quite literally complain that things doesn't look right (I vaguely recall alot of bickering surrounding the FONT of the USS Enterprise registry), or that the story is somewhat different than how it's "supposed" to be. As the movie said quite clearly, events take place in an alternate timeline based on changes made among others by the movies antogonist (Nero). You don't suppose the threat of the "Narada" 25 years prior to the movies main events, couldn't have possibly effected Starfleet and the Federation, into developing more advanced and bigger starships? The survivors of the USS Kelvin and the data they brought back, surely would've had some influence on the next 25 years.

Just look at Earth history: The space race of the 1960s was an incredible boost to our technology and computer level, and computers to this day is still advancing at an incredible rate. Computers of the 2010s are like super-computers compared to the likes of the computers of the early 2000s. Long before our timeline reaches 2258, we'll be "lightyears" ahead technology-wise, and the "future" we depicted in 2009, will seem as antiquated to the people of 2258, as we consider technology of the 1800s today.

Ultimately, it's hard to make movies that supposedly take place in the future, making things look futuristic, yet maintain somewhat recognizeable appearance. Back in the 1960s, i'm sure most thought the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) looked super-futuristic. Today, the "old gal" looks like an incredibly cheap built model, and the visual effects were in many cases, non-existent. Duplicating the appearance of TOS today, people would quickly lose interest, and there would be no money to make. Movie makers would rather choose -not- to make the movie, if they knew it would be a definite loss.

[King Class Scout]

if Gene were alive, he'd probably be complaining about it being too much action, and not enough plot.  but then again, Trek was originally created at the height of the cold war, and even now, people still compare the Klingons and Romulans to the Soviets and Communist China.

personally, I'd tell even hardcore fans to use "Bellesario's Maxim"; don't look into this too closely. 

[Shadowknight1]

The only thing that bothers me...well, everyone here has at least given this movie a fair chance.  But a friend of mine, who is probably the BIGGEST Trekkie(not Trekker, definitely a Trekkie), has not even given it a chance despite the fact that his brother has seen it and tried to convince him to see it.

[King Class Scout]

trekkIES practically live a trope ("ruined forever" is one that comes to mind) when it comes to things.  they want an unaltered TOS in original print with no updates, and won't even acknowledge TMP and the other movies as part of the canon. 

i originally seperated trekkies as fans who simply enjoyed the shows, and trekkers as those actively involved in the fandom by going to conventions, using fake appliences, etc.

[Erk]

"For any event there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. Our choices determine which outcome will follow. According to a theory, everything that can happen does happen in some other quantum reality." -Data Tng Parallels. I try to say this as often as possible. Trek addressed this long ago. If there is a universe where humans are evil, a universe where the Borg conquered Earth, why can't a universe with slightly more advance technology and a lack of planet Vulcan exist?

While I admire Gene Roddenberry's dream, I just don't feel it makes for very good entertainment. He really disliked Star Trek II and VI, but those were my (along with most Trek fans) two favorites for the longest time. I also love episodes like "The Doomsday machine" and "Taste of Armageddon". From what I hear (and I may very well be wrong)  Gene didn't like those episodes at all. He wanted no violence, no real conflict, both external and internal.

That's what I felt held TNG back. No conflict between crew and no internal conflict with the characters. Internal conflict is an obstacle that promotes and ensures character growth. Yes Picard and Worf grew, but the rest I felt could've grown more.

Does it bother anyone else that Gene's vision of uniting people, working together and compromising, learning to accept and embrace change has been lost on these hard core fans?? From Trek I've learned to keep an open mind and accept that things change and continue. Yet these die hard fans don't want change, or expansion, they want to keep Trek their way. Star Trek is for all!

[Shadowknight1]

"For any event there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. Our choices determine which outcome will follow. According to a theory, everything that can happen does happen in some other quantum reality." -Data Tng Parallels. I try to say this as often as possible. Trek addressed this long ago. If there is a universe where humans are evil, a universe where the Borg conquered Earth, why can't a universe with slightly more advance technology and a lack of planet Vulcan exist?

"Precisely." -Spock.  Far too many times to quote exactly.  Basically, the Kelvin's loss and subsequent testimonies by the Kelvin's crew resulted in probably the scrapping of the designs of the Constitution-class we're familiar with and the advancement of both weapons and shielding technology.  If you look at the design of the JJ-verse Enterprise, the primary hull has been made a slightly bigger target, drawing fire from the connecting neck and the reactor-filled secondary hull.  Basically speaking, by reducing the overall profile of the ship and by making the neck of the ship a bit thicker, the ship is more militarily sound.  Add to that the new amount of phasers(the original only had the forward firing phaser bank) and aft firing torpedoes and you have a fighting vessel.  And the fact that there was visual communication between the Kelvin and the Narada means that the correlation between Vulcans and Romulans was revealed far sooner.  Also, I think that the Kelvin probably had the arrowhead design first and when the Kelvin was retired, the arrowhead was passed on to the Enterprise in the Prime timeline.  In the Abrams timeline, the design was most likely adopted to honor both the Kelvin and George Kirk's sacrifice.

As for Vulcan's destruction and Amanda's death, I felt that they were necessary to show that this universe isn't going to just go back the way we remember it.

[King Class Scout]

Erk: from what I could tell, Gene decided against the idea of Action Adventure in later life.  the first pilot of ST (later incorporated into "the Menagerie") was considered "Too Cerebral" at the time.  when Next G started, he deliberatly made it like this as a take that.  unfortunately, even the FANS booed.  it was made worse when TOS scripts got recycled.

things were fine until Gene passed, and the new DS9 suddenly turned into a giant action sequence.  voyager is derided for being "USS Reset Button", Enterprise for being "USS Fan Service" (I'm still personally puzzled, because I'm already used to Scott Bakula and weird situations).  the problems boil down to two words: Broken Base; everyone wants a certain type of show, and ONLY a certain type of show.  the various series flip-flopping between the Types didn't help.

gene wanted one way, the guys that inherited the show wanted it another, the fans want it a third.  and you wonder why the base is broken?