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[086gf]

Exactly.

Ok, here is something interesting from the scene where Scotty joins the convoy into the enclosed shipyard around Io(?). I don't know if I was hearing things or not but I swear in the comms traffic I heard "A welder is needed on the THIRD NACELLE". Anyone else catch that?

[mckinneyc]

Given the writers and directors poor knowledge of Treknology that wouldn't surprise me.

For some reason disabling the Enterprise's aft nacelle will destroy life support 

[Nebula]

"A welder is needed on the THIRD NACELLE". Anyone else catch that?

It wasn't "Third" it was port.

Given the writers and directors poor knowledge of Treknology that wouldn't surprise me.

For some reason disabling the Enterprise's aft nacelle will destroy life support 

That's where the oxygen generators could be... taking gas and converting it.

remember the nacelles themselves are also gigantic collectors.

[Shadowknight1]

I will keep saying this.  I love the JJ-Verse Dreadnought-class.  It's a lot neater looking than slapping a third warp engine on a Connie's primary hull.

[Tuskin38]

Anyone notice the the Ent was slightly different at the end? All I noticed was the impulse drive, anything else?

Also I loved the movie.

I might write something up tomorrow, its 10 and I'm tired.

There is a couple seconds of TOS fight music in the movie, listen hear start at 1:55, should hear it around 1:59

[TheConstable6]

I just got back from seeing it with some friends who are not into Trek...they loved it, all cried at the warp core scene, but it was so much more special for me because I could catch the subtle and forceful allusions to Treks past. I thought it was absolutely fantastic like a re-imagining of ST II...but somehow more. I cannot count the number of times I had shivers running down my back and neck...

[ShaunKL]

The only real peeve I had about the movie was when that one guy showed up.  It kinda removes the sense that the new crew has come into their own and we need the old guard back to validate and wink at the old fans.

[Shadowknight1]

Well, just got back from seeing it.  I enjoyed it a lot, though I'll really need a second viewing to let everything sink in, but I'll give my first impressions.  Beware of spoilers because I freaking hate micro-sizing text(we need spoiler tags like every other forum on the internet).

Things I didn't like: We'll start with these first since there are few.  First off...poor Scotty getting thrown off his ship for having a conscience.  It really pained me because Scotty's always been my favorite.  Secondly, the poor ol' Enterprise just takes a f***ing pounding without really dishing it out.  I really, really, REALLY hope that in #3 they'll give the Enterprise some badass moments of kicking ass and taking names.  Thirdly...I really am not sure how I feel about the Enterprise's new impulse deck.  I think it takes up far too much room, although the inconsistencies with the Enterprise's size also seemed a bit more magnified with the torpedo bit.  Finally...Pike.

Things that were meh: John Harrison = Khan.  Okay.  Couldn't have at least had a throwaway line about how he underwent cosmetic surgery?  Also, the explanation of Khan's blood could've been expanded on slightly.  Also, Scotty didn't have nearly enough glasses of scotch there.    And finally, the reactor scene.  Could've been changed up a LITTLE more so it didn't feel quite so ripped off.

Things that were awesome: I'll start off with this one.  Pike's death.  I hated it and liked it at the same time.  I hated it because I hate that he died.  I liked it because it was something that Kirk needed.  He needed the hero's journey and part of that is the death of the mentor.  Kirk's reactions were a bit quick, but I can easily imagine him sizing up the situation and becoming that hardened and determined, and I really felt like this was like him losing his father again.  The new warp effect is AMAZING.  The Enterprise needed a trail and it got a neat one.  Also, while I would've probably preferred the warp core from the game, the one in Into Darkness was pretty damn neat and actually looked like a reactor rather than a glowing tube.  I also loved the ships in Marcus's office(XCV Enterprise, Phoenix, NX Prototype, NX-01 Enterprise, Kelvin, and Vengeance), really made it feel more Trek.  I liked the subtle references, such as Sulu taking temporary command of the Enterprise and enjoying it and McCoy performing surgery on a torpedo.  I loved the interaction between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy before Kirk makes up his mind to open up one of the torpedoes.  I really liked how tastefully edited Marcus's death scene was.  What we don't see, we can imagine even more gruesomely than the movie's rating would've allowed.  The Klingons were awesome and, if I'm right, that was authentic Klingon language used too.  Kirk finally got to kick ass instead of just getting it handed to him, and Spock finally got a hard, physical fight scene.  "One day I've been off this ship, one bloody day!"  Cat women.  The entire thing at Nibiru.  Dr. Carol Marcus was fantastic and I hope she'll remain a member of the crew.  I really liked that they didn't KILL Khan.  Always think killing off your villain is shooting yourself in the foot.  Old Spock!   And finally, the 5 year mission begins as it should: "Space, the final frontier.  These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise.  Its five year mission: to explore strange, new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no one has gone before."  I was grinning like an idiot at that part.

There's probably more that I'm missing but it can wait until I see it again.

EDIT: Also forgot.  PRINCESS BRIDE REFERENCE!  Kirk was only "Mostly dead".

[Saquist]

So far I've seen "I Love it" or "I hate it."

I get both sides.
It had less problems with the plot in this film.
It had great action at some parts.

My Thoughts:

It's hard to be disappointed with a "Fluff Movie". I was disappointed with the first. I had expectations. I didn't this time. I knew what I was getting...and I got it. What I wasn't quite expecting was the all the plagiarism at the end. Was it plagiarism or was it nostalgia? I don't know and don't care.

What I did notice was that JJ Abrams said "he wasn't doing Wrath of Kahn" and that's exactly what we got even down to the two Federation ships doing battle and a death scene in a reactor. JJ also said that he would address the fans concerns about Trek ideals. Was it in that one line ripped off from Insurrection? "Does anyone remember when we used to be explorers?"

And the Science ...once again...well there was none.
Why were people falling over the ship at the end? Was there something wrong with the Gravity?
Did the ship not really need shields for reentry even though they get power back well after falling through a cloud bank?
Did someone research how far the moon was from Earth in miles and simply changed miles to kilometers because the moon isn't 237,000 kilometers from Earth....LOL!! It is 237,000 miles though.
The Vengeance hits San Fransisco after falling all the way from the moon ( which should have taken days) Why isn't there a huge crater?
They jump in the water and swim down to Enterprise (that would kill anyone)

We all know why. It's a Fluff movie. It's not supposed to make sense.

-I enjoyed:
The humor was good as always. I thought all the falling in the film was tedious and obnoxious but the space dive to Vengeance was far more interesting than the skydive in the first film. I loved Cumberbatches acting...everyone else was standing still in comparison. The shots of Enterprise going to warp were quite tantalizing and stimulating. Best part of all I stopped hating on the JJprise for a few moments...

[Darkthunder]

Did someone research how far the moon was from Earth in miles and simply changed miles to kilometers because the moon isn't 237,000 kilometers from Earth....LOL!! It is 237,000 miles though.

From Wikipedia:
"The distance between the Moon and the Earth varies from around 356,400 km to 406,700 km at the extreme perigees (closest) and apogees (farthest)."

As to the rest of your science points:

1. Gravity. Gravity plating failure perhaps? We've seen examples of the gravity plating failing, causing people to become weightless. Perhaps there was a malfunction in the gravity plating, causing the "shearing" effect whereby people either fall, or end up running on walls.

2. Falling through the clouds. We have spacecraft today which doesn't have shields, yet they manage reentry just fine without them.

3. Vengeance falling to San Francisco. How do we know the Vengeance started falling from the area of the Moon? As long as they are within Earth orbit, Earth's gravity is more than capable of pulling down objects which are without power.

4. Jumping off a cliff into water. Yes, it was a rather high dive into water. How do we know that their suits wasn't lined with some form of inertial dampening system?

[Shadowknight1]

From Wikipedia:
"The distance between the Moon and the Earth varies from around 356,400 km to 406,700 km at the extreme perigees (closest) and apogees (farthest)."

As to the rest of your science points:

1. Gravity. Gravity plating failure perhaps? We've seen examples of the gravity plating failing, causing people to become weightless. Perhaps there was a malfunction in the gravity plating, causing the "shearing" effect whereby people either fall, or end up running on walls.

2. Falling through the clouds. We have spacecraft today which doesn't have shields, yet they manage reentry just fine without them.

3. Vengeance falling to San Francisco. How do we know the Vengeance started falling from the area of the Moon? As long as they are within Earth orbit, Earth's gravity is more than capable of pulling down objects which are without power.

4. Jumping off a cliff into water. Yes, it was a rather high dive into water. How do we know that their suits wasn't lined with some form of inertial dampening system?

They MENTION the gravity failure.  I've seen a few reviews that seemed to have missed that line.

[Saquist]

From Wikipedia:
"The distance between the Moon and the Earth varies from around 356,400 km to 406,700 km at the extreme perigees (closest) and apogees (farthest)."

And still wrong...

As to the rest of your science points:

1. Gravity. Gravity plating failure perhaps? We've seen examples of the gravity plating failing, causing people to become weightless. Perhaps there was a malfunction in the gravity plating, causing the "shearing" effect whereby people either fall, or end up running on walls.

Perhaps it was done for dramatic effect.
(Edit:  Even with a mention of gravity failure...why did the bridge and other parts of the ship have gravity and no inertia problems but others didn't"  That's why made me ask the question.  Just how specific was the line?  I doubt it made that much of an explanation.)

2. Falling through the clouds. We have spacecraft today which doesn't have shields, yet they manage reentry just fine without them.

What does "spacecraft today" have to do with the movie?  They said "without shields they would burn up on reentry."  That didn't happen.  Sulu said it.

3. Vengeance falling to San Francisco. How do we know the Vengeance started falling from the area of the Moon? As long as they are within Earth orbit, Earth's gravity is more than capable of pulling down objects which are without power.

We know because that's where the fight occurred and the moon is sitting off to the right of the screen.
Did you not see it?  Spock disabled his ships power systems.  Don't ask me what started the fall of both ships.  I don't remember.  But I do know it's not possible to "Fall" that distance at without massive atmospheric heat.  Nor is it possible not to make a massive crater on impact with no power to stop you.

4. Jumping off a cliff into water. Yes, it was a rather high dive into water. How do we know that their suits wasn't lined with some form of inertial dampening system?

The jump was irrelevant.  It was the dive that was the problem as soon as they enter the air lock they should have died from the bends.   It was space magic...

[captain_obvious]

About the heat of re-entry, current (and previous) space craft have all survived either due to specially shaped heat shields (apollo, gemini, mercury, soyuz, etc) or with ceramic tiles dissipating heat (space shuttle). 
I don't know what the hull of the E is made out of, but it seems quite obvious that it's not a shape designed to pull off re-entry without some kind of assistance and that's assuming that the hull is intact.  The hull of the E in that film was rather less than intact iirc. 
You didn't see apollo capsules returning with big holes in their heat shielding now, did you? 

[Nebula]

The jump was irrelevant.  It was the dive that was the problem as soon as they enter the air lock they should have died from the bends.   It was space magic...

Sorry they wouldn't be suffering from the bends because they weren't breathing any high pressure gasses.... people suffer bends when they surface to fast and don't allow the gasses in their blood system to dissolve properly... Think of a can of pop what happens when you shake it then open it? the gasses bubble up...

About the heat of re-entry

Are we forgetting that these are spaceships and that the Ent was built on Earth? Of course it's hull will be designed to withstand reentry. (a lot more heat/radiation resistant and it is armor)
As for the holes in the hull? Yes while the ship reentered the atmosphere it did break apart a little but the structural integrity held... The ship isn't a little thing like the Shuttle or an Apollo capsule... it is gigantic and can withstand a lot more buffeting.

[FarShot]

Starships in canon routinely experience forces that a submarine or shuttle orbiter would be destroyed by.  To get shoved by massive energy waves long distances, but not be able to pull away from 1 gee of force is silly, and in the same way, if a starship can't withstand a small amount of pressure underwater, it's probably not spaceworthy for the rigors that 23rd century starships have been seen going through.

The Enterprise was likely not that far underwater.  It was just offshore, so unless that cliff had an immediate drop off thousands of feet, they would have dived well within the record for an unassisted dive.  (I did the math and it still applies with a 725 meter ship.)  Coupled with that, we do not know the gravity of that planet.  Assuming it is less, not only would they impact the water with less speed, but the water's surface itself would not be as hard.  Lastly, the extremely consistent bubble trails behind them as they swam suggests that they are wearing not just wetsuits but specialized equipment, at the very least increasing their speed.

As for burning up on reentry, the reason that happens is because spacecraft are deorbiting from moving horizontally at thousands of miles per hour.  In a straight vertical fall, the effect is much, much less.  And as someone mentioned, if we have problems with vessels melting away while entering atmo in the 23rd century, Star Trek isn't worth the treknobabble its made of.

[Shadowknight1]

Perhaps it was done for dramatic effect.
(Edit:  Even with a mention of gravity failure...why did the bridge and other parts of the ship have gravity and no inertia problems but others didn't"  That's why made me ask the question.  Just how specific was the line?  I doubt it made that much of an explanation.)

The bridge?  Why bring up the bridge?  THE BRIDGE CREW WERE BUCKLED IN WITH SEAT BELTS.  Gravity controls in that situation = irrelevant.

[captain_obvious]

Are we forgetting that these are spaceships and that the Ent was built on Earth? Of course it's hull will be designed to withstand reentry. (a lot more heat/radiation resistant and it is armor)
As for the holes in the hull? Yes while the ship reentered the atmosphere it did break apart a little but the structural integrity held... The ship isn't a little thing like the Shuttle or an Apollo capsule... it is gigantic and can withstand a lot more buffeting.

No, I just think that some of us are ignoring sulus line about burning up if they didn't get shields back up.

You know, it just struck me that if it was so terrible to bring the E out of the water at the start, why the heck did they put it there in the first place? Surely there wasn't anything that stopped them from beaming from orbit.
Then there's the whole "prime directive thing".  Even if they came down in the middle of the night they would still have been seen and/or heard.  Big metal machine with big glowy bits on would stick out a wee bit I think.  It'd make on hell of a splash on contact with the water, not to mention a hell of a wave due to the amount of water displaced.
That said, I don't have an issue with a ship doing it.  If it can handle a gas giant, then it'll handle a bit of water!

[Nebula]

You know, it just struck me that if it was so terrible to bring the E out of the water at the start, why the heck did they put it there in the first place? Surely there wasn't anything that stopped them from beaming from orbit.

Umm they put the ship there to hide it from the population.... It was explained in the movie they couldn't have the ship in orbit and use transporters because of the volcano interfering...

Then there's the whole "prime directive thing".  Even if they came down in the middle of the night they would still have been seen and/or heard.  Big metal machine with big glowy bits on would stick out a wee bit I think.  It'd make on hell of a splash on contact with the water, not to mention a hell of a wave due to the amount of water displaced.
That said, I don't have an issue with a ship doing it.  If it can handle a gas giant, then it'll handle a bit of water!

umm if we are talking earth sized planet... what's stopping them from entering the atmosphere and diving into the water further away from any landmass and approaching the area under water? I'm sure they wouldn't be seen then.

[Shadowknight1]

It's decently obvious that the Enterprise went into the ocean at night, Scotty confirms that instantly.  "We've been down here since last night!"  There was also a line that was almost a throwaway when they were trying to get Spock out of the volcano and Chekov mentions that the planet's magnetic field keeps them from beaming Spock out from where they are.  Presumably this is also why they didn't just dump the cold fusion device into the volcano.  I think Kirk probably would've gotten in less trouble if he hadn't lied on his official report.  That seemed to be the "berserk button" for Pike in this instance.

*SPOILERS*
As for the Enterprise after the fall...there's a freaking reason that it took them the better part of a year to get on with going on the five year mission.  That wasn't just a small amount of battle damage like what the 1701 and 1701-A took in Star Trek 2 and 6 respectively.  The Enterprise had massive hull breaches, the weapons were totally gone, and it was only through some audacious percussive maintenance that the ship had any power at all.  Hell, they completely upgraded the impulse deck and did some minor modifications to the warp drive, so the Enterprise was obviously given a propulsion upgrade after how quickly the Vengeance caught up with her.  All in all...the ship was damn fortunate to be in one piece.  I hope she STAYS that way.  The Enterprise really needs to be on the giving end of some butt whooping next time around.  Kirk is only human, he can deal with getting beat to hell by Romulans, Vulcans, and Augments.  The Enterprise is a state-of-the-art starship.  It's time to treat her as such.

[moed]

Saw it last night. Loved. It to the point that I wanted to see more just to "flesh out" some, IMO, not fully resolved details. I hated the death of Pike but overall, an excellent movie

Now do we have to wait another 4 freaking years for the next film!