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Title: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: Locke on May 23, 2011, 04:59:40 PM: Quote from: serverandenforcer on May 23, 2011, 03:37:28 PM
I really like this design! Personally, I think they should've gone with this version instead of the one that is considered to be the official Ambassador class. Perhaps this could be considered as a MK-III upgrade that would have been used to replace the lost NCC-1701 C before the design of the Galaxy class came into being; or was a competition to the Galaxy class as a new era of flag ships during that time in the mid 24th century?

From what I read over at Sci-Fi Meshes, Andy has always considered this a prototype of the conventional version we all know. Perhaps it utilized tech that was far too advanced for the era, hence it was reworked and made into the Galaxy design at a later time.
Title: RE: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: serverandenforcer on May 23, 2011, 06:47:27 PM: Quote from: Locke on May 23, 2011, 04:59:40 PM
From what I read over at Sci-Fi Meshes, Andy has always considered this a prototype of the conventional version we all know. Perhaps it utilized tech that was far too advanced for the era, hence it was reworked and made into the Galaxy design at a later time.

Here's a link to Tobias Ricter's CGI render of the ship... http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=28446

I really love the details he went into on this ship. It really looks like a complete overhaul of the current Ambassador class and significantly increased in size to be on par with a Galaxy class.
Title: RE: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: Captain_Licard on May 23, 2011, 08:22:18 PM: Epic to be exact, no offence to the Cannon Enterprise C, but this design looks way better
Title: RE: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: metalnick on May 23, 2011, 09:48:29 PM: That Design looks really similar to Dj's Alberta class. At least to my eyes. I don't much care for the nacelles and pylons though. (On the concept, not DJ's ship)
Title: RE: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: Locke on May 23, 2011, 11:29:04 PM: A bit similar, mainly around the deflector area.

(http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/8/files2/114801_5.jpg)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m532/CaptainWallis/KG_AP_TR_AMBASSADOR_001.jpg)
Title: RE: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: Captain_D on May 26, 2011, 11:17:38 PM: Quote from: metalnick on May 23, 2011, 09:48:29 PM
That Design looks really similar to Dj's Alberta class. At least to my eyes. I don't much care for the nacelles and pylons though. (On the concept, not DJ's ship)

I definitely agree with that, as a matter of fact, I think it would look a whole lot better with something along the lines of the Alberta's pylon-engine setup with a Galaxy Class take on it.

Change the engines and it would make a great looking Dawnstar Class also.

Since there is all this awesome new reference material out, I would say when WileyCoyote gets back to this design or whoever wants to take up the job, we will have another winner here. :)
Title: RE: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: limey BSc. on May 27, 2011, 07:44:51 AM: Quote from: Captain_Licard on May 23, 2011, 08:22:18 PM
Epic to be exact, no offence to the Cannon Enterprise C, but this design looks way better

I think, while it may look good, it doesn't fit into any design lineage. The canon Ambassador was a plausible stepping stone between the Constitution and the Galaxy.
Title: RE: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: Locke on May 27, 2011, 09:36:41 AM: In what way do you not see a design lineage here? I keep looking at it, and it makes some very logical steps from the Enterprise B design pointing straight at the shape of the Enterprise D. Specifically: the shape of the secondary and primary hulls.
Title: RE: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: NXSovereign on May 27, 2011, 09:50:04 AM: I found a link to those 3D pics of the ship in another forum where Probert was praising the winner of Star Trek Online's "design the next Enterprise" contest & the first thing I did was come here to see if anyone was working on adding it to BC(The Ambassador, not the Ent-F). Wow, this is DEFINITELY what they should have used in TNG. It looks so much more like a mid-step between the Excelsior and Galaxy, as opposed to the "official" Ambassador which (no offense to the designer) looks more like a 24th century Constitution-Class. Count me is as supporting this ship being added to BC.
Title: RE: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: serverandenforcer on May 27, 2011, 10:29:05 AM: Quote from: limey98 on May 27, 2011, 07:44:51 AM
I think, while it may look good, it doesn't fit into any design lineage. The canon Ambassador was a plausible stepping stone between the Constitution and the Galaxy.

Actually, if you really think about it, the overall basic design of the current Ambassador class is actually a step back from the Excelsior class. The current Ambassador class returns to the roots of the basic secondary hull desgin that is familiar to the Constitution refit class. Deflecotr dish and bussard colectors were also similar to that of the original Constitution. The only thing that was different was the warp engines, impusle engines, saucer section, and phaser arrays. The concept design looks like a step forward from Excelsior that would be of a major influence on the design of the Galaxy class... advanced secondary hull design, impulse engines, saucer seperation with independent impulse engines, and a delfector dish and phaser array setup that is very simliar to that of the Galaxy class.
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: JimmyB76 on May 27, 2011, 01:31:28 PM: the only thing i dont really like about Probert's design is the deflector dish... it just looks silly to me personally... everything else is cool tho, IMO...
if it had the deflector dish that DJ's Alberta Class has instead, i would be much more fond of the ship...
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: Vedic on May 27, 2011, 03:39:06 PM: Uh I really hate this concept, I like the View from the side, as it looks "normal" but the top down, ect just make it looks FUgly
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: mckinneyc on May 27, 2011, 05:43:08 PM: I know I am probably going to take heat for this but I think the canon design is much more beautiful than the concept design.
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: Nebula on May 27, 2011, 06:13:47 PM: I like the concept soo much better than what we got... XD
though both ships have their charm.
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: Lionus on May 28, 2011, 06:17:35 PM: I see that it has dual Impulse engines, one in the neck and one located on the saucer's trailing edge.. Saucer Sep??
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: mckinneyc on May 29, 2011, 06:29:25 AM: Yeah it looks like the concept has saucer sep, there are clear seperation lines on the hull.
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: majormagna on May 29, 2011, 12:48:18 PM: I must admit, there are two things on this ship I don't like, well, three:

The nacelles look strange, like a mix of Constitution, Excelsior and what the Ambassador turned out to be.
The Saucer impulse engines stick out a bit too far in my opinion; too Constitution refit style in my opinion, Excelsior style would have been better.
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: Locke on June 05, 2011, 05:33:51 PM: Quote from: majormagna on May 29, 2011, 12:48:18 PM
I must admit, there are two things on this ship I don't like, well, three:

1. The nacelles look strange, like a mix of Constitution, Excelsior and what the Ambassador turned out to be.

2. The Saucer impulse engines stick out a bit too far in my opinion; too Constitution refit style in my opinion, Excelsior style would have been better.

. . . and the third would be?
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: deadthunder2_0 on June 05, 2011, 06:51:38 PM: Quote
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Quote from: majormagna on May 29, 2011, 11:48:18 AM
I must admit, there are two things on this ship I don't like, well, three:

1. The nacelles look strange, like a mix of Constitution, Excelsior and what the Ambassador turned out to be.

2. The Saucer impulse engines stick out a bit too far in my opinion; too Constitution refit style in my opinion, Excelsior style would have been better.

. . . and the third would be?

1. The nacelles look strange, like a mix of Constitution, Excelsior and what the Ambassador turned out to be.

2. The Saucer impulse engines stick out a bit too far in my opinion; 3. too Constitution refit style in my opinion, Excelsior style would have been better.
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: majormagna on June 05, 2011, 10:18:36 PM: Actually I classed 'the nacelles' as two things... Well; technically they are!
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: Commander_One on August 01, 2011, 01:37:35 AM: Quote from: JimmyB76 on May 27, 2011, 01:31:28 PM
the only thing i dont really like about Probert's design is the deflector dish... it just looks silly to me personally... everything else is cool tho, IMO...
if it had the deflector dish that DJ's Alberta Class has instead, i would be much more fond of the ship...

I agree Jimmy..I love the ship, however the deflector is lacking. I've worked on one myself and it looked pretty decent in game. I'm attaching it here.
Title: Re: Andy Probert's concept Ambassador Class design vs Canon Ambassador Class design
Post by: mckinneyc on August 13, 2011, 08:04:40 AM: beautiful deflector, although I would have the centre more galaxy class looking so it looks like a cross between a galaxy delector and the refit connie