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Recreational Forums => Trek Discussion => Ships & Tech Talk => Topic started by: henrie85 on January 20, 2009, 11:33:04 PM
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What ever happen to the enterprise-B after the death of kirk.
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according to Of Gods And Men (the only source for that, so far) stays under Harriman's command until the C comes in.
AFAIK
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sure would have made for a great new movie, INO, instead of the crap they are trying to sell now...
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Ferris Bueller takes it for a joy-ride.
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sure would have made for a great new movie, INO, instead of the crap they are trying to sell now...
EX-FRAKING-XACTLY!
I would have LOVED to see the universe from the era of the Enterprise B! Maybe not with harriman as the captain, though... Kill him off and bring in somebody else. :P teehee
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John Harriman is awesome! We need less perfect captains.
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i think putting someone in command of a starship (especially a flag ship, which the Enterprise B most likely was at the time) that isn't "perfect" is kind of irresponsible. ;)
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Enterprise would like to disagree with you. :arms:
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Enterprise would like to disagree with you. :arms:
Hahaha! I totally forgot about that show. xD
No, seriously, I did. o.o;
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Well, Harriman was new on the job and was put up next to the biggest legends in Starfleet. Hardly a flattering way to start off a career. Not to mention that the ship was called into standard duty probably a week before it was ready.
I personally feel that the ship may have been lost. In space. Space lost! :P
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Cameron Frye ftw! :P
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I think Starfleet may have kicked Harriman for losing a legend to a big cloud.
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I think Starfleet may have kicked Harriman for losing a legend to a big cloud.
yeah, well thems there fluffy clouds, I tell ya... themz has fightin' words! xP
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I would have been like Herriman! All the press is there for a run around the block and to top it off not one but three famous former Enterprise greats are sitting on his bridge. It's not surprising he acted like he did and to top it off the Enterprise wasn't ready for active service.
Give him some credit, to prevent losing his new ship and crew he did signal the closest starship, imagine what a PR disaster it would have been had the entire ship and company been lost by a fool hardy captain.
Then when he had to get stuck in he did attempt to free the ships, then in front of everyone he had to swallow his pride and ask Kirk for help.
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I think Starfleet may have kicked Harriman for losing a legend to a big cloud.
That was Kirk's decision, not Harriman's though.
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Picard got court martialed for losing the Stargazer even though he saved his crew. And remember, despite Kirk being a huge annoyance for the Federation, he still was honoured as one of Starfleet's greatest Captains. And Harriman would feel guilty of commanding a starship that on its maiden voyage got a famous man killed.
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And Harriman would feel guilty of commanding a starship that on its maiden voyage got a famous man killed.
Are you Captain John Harriman? If not, how can you say that, for certain, he'd feel guilty? He wasn't responsible for Kirk's death, by any means.
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I think Starfleet may have kicked Harriman for losing a legend to a big cloud.
That was Kirk's decision, not Harriman's though.
agreed and for once he dint bring ensign price with him lol
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Also Herriman did say he'd go to deflector control first before Kirk told him not to and he'd go.
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Also Herriman did say he'd go to deflector control first before Kirk told him not to and he'd go.
All the more reason why he would feel guilty. You want to keep your heroes alive right? You'd do anything to save them. Its called survivors guilt, where someone you know dies in dangerous circumstances and you constantly tell yourself that you should have been the one that died instead of the other guy. You should have been there, not him. Get my drift?
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oooook debating over how this character would have "felt" is really pointless lol seriously... no one can possibly accurately maintain that discussion, it is really senseless to speculate that and try to debate what anyone thinks a character may have "felt" lol
discussing what happened to the Ent-B itself is the topic, so please limit it to that guys; not to how characters may have "felt"...
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This is supposition but it is obvious to me that the enterprise-B went into the witness protection program....and emerged as the USS Lakota.... thats just my humble unsubstantiated opinion... :lol:
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oooook debating over how this character would have "felt" is really pointless lol seriously... no one can possibly accurately maintain that discussion, it is really senseless to speculate that and try to debate what anyone thinks a character may have "felt" lol
discussing what happened to the Ent-B itself is the topic, so please limit it to that guys; not to how characters may have "felt"...
Tsk tsk... Jimmy, bro, you just haven't felt the bubbles melt, have you? :P Teehee, kidding.
No, seriously, I actually had an interesting idea for this, this morning. Sure, Captain whats-his-face is a real noob and all, but maybe that'd be the cue [sp] for character development? How I envision it, is he gains his experience boldly exploring the universe and being put into difficult circumstances first hand... after a few years, say five or six, he's forced into the ultimate decision whereas he has absolutely no option but to sacrafice himself and his ship to save the Federation [I imagine it whereas he has to ram into an enemy target, say a massive space station weapon thing or whatever... whilst the ship is on self-destruct, and blow the living frak out of it!] That's just my theory. Just looking at the general appearance of the Enterprise B makes me immediately imagine it beaten to all hell and scarred like the NX Enterprise from Azati Prime... and the captain takes what's left of his ship and uses it as a last hope to save man kind... or something cool like that. ^_^ I'm just so sick of Star Trek's happy endings... I want a tragic one!!
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what is out there that goes on to explain about the Ent-B and crew anyway? im sure there's some sort of novel series or something?
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what is out there that goes on to explain about the Ent-B and crew anyway? im sure there's some sort of novel series or something?
Not that I've personally seen... I know I saw some that had to do with Sulu and the Excelsior...
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History of the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-B) from Memory Beta.
Enterprise-B history (http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701-B%29)
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History of the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-B) from Memory Beta.
Enterprise-B history (http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701-B%29)
nice peace of star trek history:D makes me wonder how many years the enterprise c was in service
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according to that, it only took 18 years for Demora Sulu to go from Ensign to Captain? and then Admiral 4 years later?
that must be a record lol
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nice peace of star trek history:D makes me wonder how many years the enterprise c was in service
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-C) (http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-C))
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nice peace of star trek history:D makes me wonder how many years the enterprise c was in service
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-C) (http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-C))
thanks got my self a great site :D
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Man, now talking about a TMP series... That story right there would make for a brilliant one. Ample combat AND trek at it's core. ...I should read the books...
...I should read.
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according to that, it only took 18 years for Demora Sulu to go from Ensign to Captain? and then Admiral 4 years later?
that must be a record lol
Actually the admiral mentioned in that entry is someone else, Sulu took leave, the captain after that was promoted. Then she came back.
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sure would have made for a great new movie, INO, instead of the crap they are trying to sell now...
EX-FRAKING-XACTLY!
I would have LOVED to see the universe from the era of the Enterprise B! Maybe not with harriman as the captain, though... Kill him off and bring in somebody else. :P teehee
I've been trying to put together a Paramount Pitch for a New Series, which does just that, Jist' of the Pilot Pitch....
"Following the Death of James T Kirk, Captain Harriman has resigned his commission and left starfleet, after 6 months in drydock the Enterprise B is placed under command of Alexander Erasmus, Its first Mission to Transport a Federation Scientist to a classified Research Station in the Lantaru Sector but not all is what it seems and the New Captain and Crew find them selves in a situation dealing with scenario which could spell the end of Space Faring Civilization, thought the Galaxy"
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oooook debating over how this character would have "felt" is really pointless lol seriously... no one can possibly accurately maintain that discussion, it is really senseless to speculate that and try to debate what anyone thinks a character may have "felt" lol
discussing what happened to the Ent-B itself is the topic, so please limit it to that guys; not to how characters may have "felt"...
Tsk tsk... Jimmy, bro, you just haven't felt the bubbles melt, have you? :P Teehee, kidding.
No, seriously, I actually had an interesting idea for this, this morning. Sure, Captain whats-his-face is a real noob and all, but maybe that'd be the cue [sp] for character development? How I envision it, is he gains his experience boldly exploring the universe and being put into difficult circumstances first hand... after a few years, say five or six, he's forced into the ultimate decision whereas he has absolutely no option but to sacrafice himself and his ship to save the Federation [I imagine it whereas he has to ram into an enemy target, say a massive space station weapon thing or whatever... whilst the ship is on self-destruct, and blow the living frak out of it!] That's just my theory. Just looking at the general appearance of the Enterprise B makes me immediately imagine it beaten to all hell and scarred like the NX Enterprise from Azati Prime... and the captain takes what's left of his ship and uses it as a last hope to save man kind... or something cool like that. ^_^ I'm just so sick of Star Trek's happy endings... I want a tragic one!!
Some of us actually had a good idea for a tragic Trek story that involved an Excelsior class ship before, during, and after the Cardassian War. The main character of the series was the first officer. The show would have the nitty gritty of the Cardassian war as a dark conflict between the Federation and the Obsidian Order. We would have younger versions of Picard on the Stargazer, Sisko doing whatever he wants to, and a ground siege type (similar to siege of AR511 or whatever from DS9) episode where the first officer is in charge of a small band of Federation officers pinned down under fire. Of course ordering a very young Lieutenant Kathryn Janeway to jump into the line of fire to rescue a wounded Cardassian. The war would also introduce ships like the Akira and Galaxy class (the latter of which would come under assault with a large fleet coming to it's aid and paying sacrifice for it's escape). We also thought a great idea would be to have a small strike force work on getting top Bajoran scientists out of a prison camp in a Great Escape styled episode.
Our idea was that when the Galaxy battle happened, the ship would get beaten to hell and the Captain dies a very Rachel Garrett-esque gruesome death, and the XO is forced to take over. The final two seasons would be her command as the war calms down and we move into the familiar TNG.
My idea of the final episode was "The Final Flight of the Crazy Horse" (that's what we called the ship) and was basically Wolf 359 from the perspective of our crew, the majority of which would die in the episode while a few others managed to get into the lifeboats and jettison.
Beginning, transition, closure. Trek got one of the three right without copping out (Jadzia to Ezri was a huge copout).
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Now that, is way cool. But by 2357-9, they had barely finished the first Galaxy. And by that time there were only a few skirmishes between the Federation and the Cardassians.
But its all cool anyway! :D :D I would give an arm to see that.
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It was the USS Galaxy prototype, by the way :P.
It had to be way more than skirmishes. The novels and various "focus on character" episodes in TNG, DS9, and VOY made it seem like a very stressful and dangerous time period, with heated conflicts. I like to think of a Cardassian War as the reason why Starfleet is spread so thinly during early TNG.
EDIT: The entire show would be in TMP style with the uniforms and LCARS, abeit some LCARS upgrades in the final season. The Wolf 359 episode would be a jump forward in time and have the first showing on the show of them wearing TNG uniforms.
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My idea of the final episode was "The Final Flight of the Crazy Horse" (that's what we called the ship) and was basically Wolf 359 from the perspective of our crew, the majority of which would die in the episode while a few others managed to get into the lifeboats and jettison.
Beginning, transition, closure. Trek got one of the three right without copping out (Jadzia to Ezri was a huge copout).
Wasn't there a Excelsior class called the Crazy Horse in TNG?
Sweet story idea though I think it would make a good novel or series.
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My idea of the final episode was "The Final Flight of the Crazy Horse" (that's what we called the ship) and was basically Wolf 359 from the perspective of our crew, the majority of which would die in the episode while a few others managed to get into the lifeboats and jettison.
Beginning, transition, closure. Trek got one of the three right without copping out (Jadzia to Ezri was a huge copout).
Wasn't there a Excelsior class called the Crazy Horse in TNG?
Sweet story idea though I think it would make a good novel or series.
Probably :P. If it was before Wolf 359 then it's perfect!
I'd probably write a novel if I had the time, but meh.
Edit: Damn, it was in Descent and Pegasus :(. Oh well, new name. Crazy Horse just sounded badass in the finale title.
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I meant by 2357-9 that the were only skirmishes, like the Galaxy. But before that, yes it was most likely super stressy. And by about 2354-55, the uniform would have had to have by then to the one seen in "Farpoint" (TNG 01x1) and its true/(dreaded word) canon because Beverly Crusher has a flashback to her hubby's death and Picard is there in that uniform (and also in the Stargazer episode, Picard see his old crew in that uniform).
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Back on to the Ent B. Here's what I like to think.
The ship suffered heavy damage after she broke free of the nexus. She would be in Dry Dock for weeks. But as a sign of respect to Kirk they delayed repairing where he was killed until after the memorial service etc.
Because of all the enhancements made to her and being the only type in service, she was very expensive to repair. These were busy times for the Federation. Their new alliance with the Klingons had stretched their resources fairly thin because of all the aid they were suppling after Praxis exploded. The federation fleet was also rapidly expanding.
So, although superior to a standard excelsior, the Ent B was mothballed until starfleet had spare time and money to repair her. But the the development of the new Ambassador class meant that she was delayed to be repaired. Unfortunatly, after many years, it seemed like she was going to be repaired and brought back into service, the cardassian wars broke out. This also stopped the building of the costly Ambassador and instead more, cheaper Excelsiors were brought into service.
After the war was over, the Galaxy project began. Again taking up many of Starfleets spare development time.
When the dominion war broke out, starfleet knew that they needed to come up with new technoligies. The enterprise seemed like the logical choice to experiment on since she had the potential to be far superior to a standard Excelsior class ship. So they brought the Enterprise out of mothballs and fitted her with many new experimental equiptments such as quantum torpedos, ablative armour
and regenerative shields. She was then recomissioned as the USS Lakota.
If the enterprise was decomissioned then i think starfleet would have planned to recomission her. After all that design has shown to be more powerful than a standard excelsior.
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what do the books say?
there could be an infinite amount of speculations and ideas; im assuming the only real "history" for Ent-B and its life and crew written as yet are from novels?
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That my friend, gets you your 100th cookie. :P
It's the fact that "if its not televised, its not canon" that restricts our views. For all we know, they're making the final mission of the Ent-B where it gets turned into a rubber duck. And I'm sure the majority of you wouldn't want that to happen.
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see, this is why the newest movie should have been around Ent-B, or even Ent-C, era... there is so much untouched realm...
instead of some stupid alternate-reality-lets-use-and-"remake"-things-that-will-play-on-peoples-nostalgia-and-is-sure-to-sell crap...
have i mentioned that before? lol :P
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I think you may have except in more than one post. And it would be better. But if it involved people like say Janeway or Picard or even Captain Garrett, then we'd know they would have to live/live/die. So I suppose the Enterprise-B would be better for my creative freedom.
Just, don't let it involve anything with time. It's boring now, particularly when they try to explain-what-went-wrong-and-get-killed-and-then-the-timeline-sorts-itself-out-and-everyone is-alive-and-no-one-knows-what-happened-except-for-the-odd-discrepancy-like-seeing-yourself-in-an-old-picture-except-you're-not-clever-enough-according-to-the-script-and-not-be-able-to-figure-it-out. Thats just boring. I bet something like that will happen in the new film.
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I'm pretty sure time travel will be in this since old spock is in it. Unless he's telling the story.
The reason they've done it in this era is so it can appeal to a new generation of people.
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Things is, doing a movie/series in the Un-aired areas of the Trekverse, it could cause conflict with novels, and fans who read those novels would get upset. Or we could have movies/TV movies based off best selling novels. That could be cool.
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Things is, doing a movie/series in the Un-aired areas of the Trekverse, it could cause conflict with novels, and fans who read those novels would get upset. Or we could have movies/TV movies based off best selling novels. That could be cool.
To them I say "Tough genitalia!" Screen always becomes the new canon, and a "canon" version would rock.
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My theory...
The Enterprise-B is the only Excelsior variant we see in all of Trek... until Paradise Lost, when we see the Lakota in action after an "extensive refit". Connection? I think, when the Ambassador was introduced, the Enterprise-B name was decomssioned in favour of the C, but was rechristened Lakota NCC 42---.
After all, the Enterprise-B would have been no more than 30 years old when the Ambassador-class was introduced. The original Enterprise served for 40 before being decomissioned, and the Enterprise-C was nearing 20 years old when it met fate at Narendra III.
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Oddly enough many people have mentioned that theory.
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Really? I'd never heard anything like that until I thought about when reading something on DITL... very odd.
Edit: Oh, yes, I see that someone here did...
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Really? I'd never heard anything like that until I thought about when reading something on DITL... very odd.
Edit: Oh, yes, I see that someone here did...
Lol, that person wouldn't be me would it?
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Yes, yes it would.
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sure would have made for a great new movie, INO, instead of the crap they are trying to sell now...
EX-FRAKING-XACTLY!
I would have LOVED to see the universe from the era of the Enterprise B! Maybe not with harriman as the captain, though... Kill him off and bring in somebody else. :P teehee
I've been trying to put together a Paramount Pitch for a New Series, which does just that, Jist' of the Pilot Pitch....
"Following the Death of James T Kirk, Captain Harriman has resigned his commission and left starfleet, after 6 months in drydock the Enterprise B is placed under command of Alexander Erasmus, Its first Mission to Transport a Federation Scientist to a classified Research Station in the Lantaru Sector but not all is what it seems and the New Captain and Crew find them selves in a situation dealing with scenario which could spell the end of Space Faring Civilization, thought the Galaxy"
no no no, They are sent to track down rouge elements that evaded arrest from the Kitomer consipericy and are pulled by a random wormhole into the far side of the Beta Quadrant :D And must fight off Gorb, NozaK and Negoryh.
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no no no, They are sent to track down rouge elements that evaded arrest from the Kitomer consipericy and are pulled by a random wormhole into the far side of the Beta Quadrant :D And must fight off Gorb, NozaK and Negoryh.
Bad story... and necropost :(
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BAD candle. no posting in threads more than thirty days old.
I'm gonna go ask the admin at my oldest forum for the code so you guys can lock necro threads.
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well whats the point in starting a new thread if the old one does just fine, that doesnt make sense.
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to prevent overload of the server, I believe.
oh, and the only thing I've ever read on the Ent B is that She was destroyed under classified circumstances.
Unfortunately, USS Prime is correct, unless a thing belongs to George Lucas, only that which appears onscreen is considered Cannon :P
Sulu's and Uhura's given names were not Cannon untill Ep 6 and ep 11 made them that way. they're fannon up to the point they were used that way.
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BAD candle. no posting in threads more than thirty days old.
I'm gonna go ask the admin at my oldest forum for the code so you guys can lock necro threads.
so long as the post is ontopic to the thread, then it is fine...
if it is a spam-type of post that is useless and pointless, then thats not cool...
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to prevent overload of the server, I believe.
oh, and the only thing I've ever read on the Ent B is that She was destroyed under classified circumstances.
Unfortunately, USS Prime is correct, unless a thing belongs to George Lucas, only that which appears onscreen is considered Cannon :P
Sulu's and Uhura's given names were not Cannon untill Ep 6 and ep 11 made them that way. they're fannon up to the point they were used that way.
yes they where fanon. Though i tend to think decomissioned. We never saw another Excelscior Variant of this type besides the B and the Lokota. Hood ect where all newer Excelscior class ships, so if they had made more of this type you would expect to see it but we never do. So she was most likly decommissioned and then pulled to one of those surplus Depots. Then Recomissioned USS Lokato after the Borg Threat because evident. I would imagine any salvagable starships where recomissioned and refited to fight the borg and later domionion. Heck we see Mirindia class's fighting the Dominion but in TNG it gives a pretty clear picture most of them where made cargo ships by the 2360's or transports. But by the 2370's there back as front line vessels. Who knows what all got recomissioned. Maybe in an unknown battle an Original Config Connie fought lol
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Never heard of the USS Lokoto. Is that in the same fleet as the USS Lollypop?
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You know what he means DT. The Lakota.
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yeah...it's a good ship :P
problem is, I only rarely saw the Excelces of ANY kind on Next G, and then they looked so dang tiny compared to the Galaxies...
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Ofcourse I know what he meant. I can forgive a certain level of spelling mistakes, but some spelling mistakes (severe mistakes) are unforgiveable :P
Back on topic...
While the original Excelsior (NX Excelsior) was a prototype, i'd assume the Enterprise-B was a prototype in it's own right, and was considered a failure compared to the more successful "Standard Excelsior" type. For all we know, the Lakota is a retrofitted and renamed Enterprise-B, with the Ent-B having been mothballed years earlier. The Enterprise-B was definitely ill-equipped to handle a simple thing such as a rescue operation, which resulted in the loss of 1 ship with all hands, and less than 1/3rd of the second ships crew. Not to mention, the loss of one of Starfleet's most renowned and decorated Captains.
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Ofcourse I know what he meant. I can forgive a certain level of spelling mistakes, but some spelling mistakes (severe mistakes) are unforgiveable :P
Back on topic...
While the original Excelsior (NX Excelsior) was a prototype, i'd assume the Enterprise-B was a prototype in it's own right, and was considered a failure compared to the more successful "Standard Excelsior" type. For all we know, the Lakota is a retrofitted and renamed Enterprise-B, with the Ent-B having been mothballed years earlier. The Enterprise-B was definitely ill-equipped to handle a simple thing such as a rescue operation, which resulted in the loss of 1 ship with all hands, and less than 1/3rd of the second ships crew. Not to mention, the loss of one of Starfleet's most renowned and decorated Captains.
Maybe that's just me but I think Ent-B failure was Starfleets Command foult, it's like putting Sebastian Loeb into prototype Citroen C4 WRC w/o seatbelts, cage and any electronic safety systems... it would be riddiculous, such organization like SFC would doubtfuly launch a ship for it's maiden voyage with most of it's defense/weapons systems not to mention medics or tractor beam, I think we should consider this as yet another 'it's up to us only' clumsy plot forced by writers (tho frankly it was kinda effective).
Although I never liked Ent-B too much, fly-by in Generations looked too heavy compared to Excelsior fly-by from ST6... those secondary hull additional compartments ruined it IMHO
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its not the ENT-B's fault they left spacedock while nothing was going to be installed till tuesday. No there had to be another reason besides generations for never building more of that variant. You can't blame a ship because Starfleet sends it without any important equipment. I mean if they had said they don't have shields there being installed on Tuesday id belive it.
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wee have the Official reason for the Varient...they added the wings so they wouldn't have to destroy the Excelsior model :P
I now have to go out and find the Lakota version, which will give me all three Excels.
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Lakota isnt to hard to make. Upgrade the shields add 100 Quantum torpedo's and TNG power photons and you have it. The EntB and Lakota are the same model
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i swear I saw some Physical differences, mostly on the bottom of the Eng hull
i intend to tweak the Excelc and Ent B for my own purposes, anyway (without releasing, of course). I may add the same kinds of tweak for an 'alternate Mirrorverse' pair I have as well, where the Vulcans ended up making a UFP (or in this case, a UVE) out of the terran empire.
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I think there were a few colour changes here and there but that was it.
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yep, in truth the Lakota wasn't supposed to be a variant but a normal Excelscior class ship. They couldnt remove the wings, so they repaired them and shot the model that way. It would have cost to much money to create a new filming miniature. Where as Flashback uses a CGI version. This is why when Excelscior class's returned the wing was gone, they where now CGI
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back to topic..
I'd say that it was destroyed. That's the only way for a ship named enterprise to honorably finish its glorious service in Starfleet.
1701 - destroyed.
1701-A - destroyed
1701-C - destroyed
1701-D - destroyed.
see the trend? :P
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The 1701-A was never destroyed. It was decommisioned.
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the 1701-A wasnt destroyed. Even Fanon ignores Shatners books, as the whole return series is just nonsense. The only thing we know is the A was decommissioned after Star Trek IV. Its quite possible the EnterpriseB just served a boring non eventful life in the fleet and was retired to make way for the C.
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still, three out of 5.. or is it seven? I've lost count of all these Enterprises.. :P I actually like the design of Excelsior and it's variants . it still looks like a old clipper sailboat in space.. call me a softy but it definitely is a beautiful desing, hence why I'm so eagerly waiting for certain Excelsior pack.. ;) :D
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I think that the Enterprise-B was destroyed. Considering that there are so many Excelsior class ships out there that lasted past the Dominion War, it would be hard to imagine Starfleet retiring 1 ship. I mean, if they give a 40 year old Constitution class the name Enterprise-A why would they retire a new ship for the Ambassador class? I just cant see them retiring one ship to pass the name on. I understand why they did it to 1701, which was because the ship was old and they were retiring all Constitution class ships... except for the Yorktown for some reason.
In regards to the Enterprise-C though... Why did it take 22 years before they made a new Enterprise? If you watch yesterdays Enterprise, they say the Ent-C was destroyed 22 years before the Ent-D. Why not give another Ambassador class the name? They did it with the Constitution.
Its hard to figure out Starfleet...
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Its hard to figure out Starfleet...
Its called plot devices lol it would be nice if they stayed fairly canon though with their own shows and books
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well The A was a connie for kirk
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well The A was a connie for kirk
true, but I feel it was more for the fans. The Excelsior was made out to be an ugly villainous ship in ST3.
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The Excelsior was made out to be an ugly villainous ship in ST3.
A damn sexy ugly villainous ship!
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it looks better than overrated connie, 13 out of 12 mod ships is a Connie, connie kitbash or something along those lines IMHO. Excelsior FTW! :evil
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yeah, but now it's all EXCELCE kitbashes :P
if Gene were still alive, he'd be pitching fits at all the X varients with three nacelles. he felt odd number were too weird.
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Though it is far from canon, I wrote a series called "The Continuing Voyages" set on the Ent-B. This was back in 1994.
Harraman quit after Kirk was lost and he was replaced by Peter Kirk, and Saavik as the first officer.
The show would have ended (after 7 traditional seasons) with the Enterprise called to a deep space starbase which has been threatened by mysterious alien force. So the Enterprise and 2 other ships try to fight off this giant ship. The 2 Connies are quickly disabled and the alien is about to deploy his super weapon. In a last ditch attempt to save the starbase (which has Kirk's wife and child on) he orders the Enterprise (ID4) style into the path of the weapon and unleashes all the Enterprise's fire power, the resulting damage to the super weapon destroys the alien ship. The Enterprise is too close to the Alien and with damaged shields takes the full force of the ships explosion.
Several large chunks impact the ship ripping off a nacelle and a big chunk hits the forward edge of the saucer and cart wheels up to the bridge ripping a large hole in it. All the crew on the bridge are killed and the Enterprise is left a wreck.
Initially I had the Enterprise decommissioned, but later revised it to have it repaired and have Rachel Garrett take command and Samantha Kirk (Peter Kirk's wife) as Science Officer. There would have been tension between Garrett and Kirk, as Garrett would have be Peter Kirk girlfriend at the academy.
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ill agree to that, but nothing touch's the sexist ship that ever graced the fleet, that would be the Daedalus, its my all time favorite ship when I get better im gonna make fleets of them
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Though it is far from canon, I wrote a series called "The Continuing Voyages" set on the Ent-B. This was back in 1994.
Harraman quit after Kirk was lost and he was replaced by Peter Kirk, and Saavik as the first officer.
The show would have ended (after 7 traditional seasons) with the Enterprise called to a deep space starbase which has been threatened by mysterious alien force. So the Enterprise and 2 other ships try to fight off this giant ship. The 2 Connies are quickly disabled and the alien is about to deploy his super weapon. In a last ditch attempt to save the starbase (which has Kirk's wife and child on) he orders the Enterprise (ID4) style into the path of the weapon and unleashes all the Enterprise's fire power, the resulting damage to the super weapon destroys the alien ship. The Enterprise is too close to the Alien and with damaged shields takes the full force of the ships explosion.
Several large chunks impact the ship ripping off a nacelle and a big chunk hits the forward edge of the saucer and cart wheels up to the bridge ripping a large hole in it. All the crew on the bridge are killed and the Enterprise is left a wreck.
Initially I had the Enterprise decommissioned, but later revised it to have it repaired and have Rachel Garrett take command and Samantha Kirk (Peter Kirk's wife) as Science Officer. There would have been tension between Garrett and Kirk, as Garrett would have be Peter Kirk girlfriend at the academy.
Mind sharing your series with us ??? :) I'd love to read them ;)
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The only thing I have left of that show is a youtube video I did called "resurrection of the Enterprise"
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Ah too bad I love fan made Trek stories, sometimes they are way better than movies
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Even the absurd slash stories which are written by females who have less IQ than pubic hair? :roll :funny
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it looks better than overrated connie, 13 out of 12 mod ships is a Connie, connie kitbash or something along those lines IMHO. Excelsior FTW! :evil
How can you have 13 out of 12? :wtf
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Even the absurd slash stories which are written by females who have less IQ than pubic hair? :roll :funny
apparently I have female friend who's capable of writing much more complex and epic stories than J.K. Rowling for example and she has pretty decent IQ (which is total bullcrap IMHO but lets leave that matter for another thread shall we) she's quite a trek fan and she managed to write few short stories which were really cool (not very canon but still they could make few nice episodes)
you really should dig internet for fan made trek stories and not only trek... you'll find some good ones as well as crappy but hey, these people are doing it for fun and they're not professional writers ;)
it looks better than overrated connie, 13 out of 12 mod ships is a Connie, connie kitbash or something along those lines IMHO. Excelsior FTW! :evil
can't find anything wrong with that... 20 % of my mods are Connie refits (Excalibur with hard specular panneling, USS Constitution, Connie pack v.1 and v.2-not yet released) also most of my mods are TMP ships which are Connie based (Miranda, Akula etc.)
Excelsior is also overrated (DS9 and TNG crews are so screwed during battles...pity :funny)
Also there is 1605 ships on BCFiles, about 40 of them have Constitution in name (not to mention most of them are TOS Connies and TNG variants/Evos while 10 of them are Refits) that's hardly 5% of all ship mods so I don't think there is Connie domination as only Baz1701 pack are up to date models ;)
btw. Kudos to your maths teacher :roll :funny j/k :P
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ill agree to that, but nothing touch's the sexist ship that ever graced the fleet, that would be the Daedalus, its my all time favorite ship when I get better im gonna make fleets of them
Wonder if the greeks had an plural of Daedalus. "Daedali"? Lol. Another Time gab there that needs to be filled with ships.
But back to the Ent B, I could imagine that this "XYZ important thing comes Tuesday" was one reason for "Star Traks" to start
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can't find anything wrong with that... 20 % of my mods are Connie refits (Excalibur with hard specular panneling, USS Constitution, Connie pack v.1 and v.2-not yet released) also most of my mods are TMP ships which are Connie based (Miranda, Akula etc.)
Excelsior is also overrated (DS9 and TNG crews are so screwed during battles...pity :funny)
Also there is 1605 ships on BCFiles, about 40 of them have Constitution in name (not to mention most of them are TOS Connies and TNG variants/Evos while 10 of them are Refits) that's hardly 5% of all ship mods so I don't think there is Connie domination as only Baz1701 pack are up to date models ;)
btw. Kudos to your maths teacher :roll :funny j/k :P
my maths teacher gave up on me. as did chemistry teacher.. I just can't deal with numbers and unknown factors etc.. but enough offtopic, as amusing as it might be. :D
And i admit that i was exaggerating ( slightly ;) :P) , but most of older trekkies will nominate connie as their favorite ship class, since they grew up with it. my personal favorite would be constellation, the underdog.. but Excelsior is close to it, holding the second spot.
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it depends on the connie, the 1st piolt is alirhgt the nacelles need more detail, the 2nd piolt version is the best connie, followed by the series run connie. Then the EnterpriseA takes 3 place with the Enterprise original refit taking the place with 1st piolt in last place.
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my maths teacher gave up on me. as did chemistry teacher.. I just can't deal with numbers and unknown factors etc.. but enough offtopic, as amusing as it might be. grin
:D same here :funny
I think there could be at least a really good comic with Enterprise B crew although I'd like trilogy of really good books about it... there are so many ideas and it is one of the biggest gaps in Trek
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As long as the said cartoon/comic wouldn't be a representation of some old episode in new dress, I'm in.. in before KHHHAAAAAAANNNN!!! :D :funny
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there's one problem with the "wife" of peter kirk...cause one of the other spinoffs for fans made peter kirk gay :P
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so.... about the Enterprise-B?
or has this thread exhausted itself? :P
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one fan theory I read postulated that the Enterprise-B, was indeed the only ship of that particular subclass, and was mothballed to make way for the C. But later recommissioned as the Lakota during the Borg buildup
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I used to like to think that Enterprise B had short career in Starfleet and whole design was overall failure as it wasn't too much of an improvement over standard Excelsior thus there was only one ship back then and one during dominion wars... or maybe Enterprise B was given up after long service for training missions and then it was refitted and renamed (there was already another Enterprise in the fleet) to USS Lakota :) what do you think ?
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based on the Excels out there, i think I agree with bones. the design didn't really work, after all the reaserch and effort they put in. why else would they give the damn things to UPS and Fedex?
http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/file/Fedex_Excelsior;41689
(http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/screenshots/File/19870/1)
fedex refit.
(http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/screenshots/File/41691/4)
UPS Excelsior
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I know I'm bringing up an old topic, but I can't see any reason for The NCC-1701-B being lost or destroyed. Retirement seems the only way.
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I think that the Enterprise B ended up being either a museum ship along with the previous enterprises and other famous ships. OR it was on a mission into the Beta Quadrant and got pulled through a time space anomoly and ended up in the 28th centurary, where they were briefed and the ship was refitted for duty in that era.
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I know I'm bringing up an old topic, but I can't see any reason for The NCC-1701-B being lost or destroyed. Retirement seems the only way.
New novels suggest that she was lost to a virus.
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im intreaged, please define "Virus"
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im intreaged, please define "Virus"
Im not too sure, may have to check memory beta.
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Could be a biological one, we've seen species in Star Trek (and other sci-fi) that care not for any life, if destroying a ship or planet means eradicating a virus. Or maybe it drove the crew insane and they blew up the ship.
Then again could be a computer virus, maybe they encountered an Iconian probe?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-B)#Later_missions
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these novels are all non-canon. you cannot go by them. Memory Alpha is completely canon, Beta is not.
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these novels are all non-canon. you cannot go by them. Memory Alpha is completely canon, Beta is not.
In that case, then the idea of even wondering what happened to the B is a moot point.
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these novels are all non-canon. you cannot go by them. Memory Alpha is completely canon, Beta is not.
Just because Gene said they weren't doesn't mean we can't I'll stick to novelizations unless we get a TV or movie about the enterprise-b
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Yeah, I love the novels. I don't care if they're not canon or not.
IMO, canon is in the eye of the beholder.