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Recreational Forums => Trek Discussion => Games => Topic started by: Nihilus on November 17, 2010, 05:55:39 PM
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I just recieved an email from Cryptic studios, creators of Star Trek Online. The Email suggests they are giving fans the opporturnity to actually design the next Enterprise. Actual text below...
Design The Next Enterprise
Seriously. We're working with our friends at CBS and Intel to turn the design of the next canon Enterprise over to you, Star Trek's most dedicated fans. Just visit our special Design Hangar and submit your version of the universe's most iconic spaceship. We'll convert the best design into a ship in Star Trek Online, but that's not where it stops.
They then go on to list the prizes. But really? They're letting us design the Sovereign Class successor? In my mind there is only one worthy successor to my favorite Starship Class and that's DJ's Century Class. I think he should submit it to them and hopefully cement his awesome design in Star Trek History. What does everyone else think?
(http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/8/files2/82748_1.jpg)
Here are the prizes listed, in case anyone was curious...
Grand Prize: Custom, STO-painted Alienware M11x laptop; STO Collector's Edition; STO Lifetime Membership; and a 3-D model of the winning design.
Second Prize: Alienware laptop (no custom paint job), STO Collector's Edition and an STO Lifetime Membership.
Third Prize: STO Collector's Edition, STO Lifetime Membership and an Intel Core i7-875k processor.
Fourth Prize: STO Collector's Edition and an STO Lifetime Membership.
Twenty-one Honorable Mentions: Standard-edition copy of STO and a Star Trek Online poster.
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wow, thats, interesting, thou my mate owning the account we share kinda makes it a downside for me(hes in the US im in the UK) still i may enter and ask him to get the ownable prizes sent done to me.....
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this was already mentioned in the STO thread in the games section...
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And technically it will only be game "Canon". If CBS uses it in other media it will become B-Canon unless they make a new TV series with it.
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And besides , we are Busting with talented modelers.
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But, how to send them the design?
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you find the thread that details more of this on the sto site?
EDIT: no thread as of yet it seems >.>
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Either December 1st or 3rd, the contest will be opened.
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http://trekmovie.com/2010/11/18/cryptic-announces-design-the-next-enterprise-contest-for-star-trek-online/
Crypic Studios is hosting a contest to design the Enterprise-F for Star Trek Online. The game is perking up nicely since release (propping Atari sales, no less) and is getting better with every release. They are offering major prizes in a contest to design the new ship. You guys should have a nice advantage because you have not only already released many amazing projects, but you have also the talent to actually submit incredible 3D models while most of your competition is going to be sending in graphing paper.
Prizes include:
* Grand Prize: Custom, STO-painted Alienware M11x laptop; STO Collector?s Edition; STO Lifetime Membership; and a 3-D model of the winning design.
* Second Prize: Alienware laptop (no custom paint job), STO Collector?s Edition and an STO Lifetime Membership.
* Third Prize: STO Collector?s Edition, STO Lifetime Membership and an Intel Core i7-875k processor.
* Fourth Prize: STO Collector?s Edition and an STO Lifetime Membership.
* Twenty-one Honorable Mentions: Standard-edition copy of STO and a Star Online poster.
Fourth prize is worth over 300 bucks, guys. I can imagine that the grand prize would be incredibly nifty, even if just to have a model of your work.
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this is the third thread on this here at BCC LOL
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I think I will contribute to this contest. :D
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You guys should have a nice advantage because you have not only already released many amazing projects, but you have also the talent to actually submit incredible 3D models while most of your competition is going to be sending in graphing paper.
Making a 3D model doesn't necessarily mean a better entry. It is about cleanliness of the artwork and how the design lineage continues to the Enterprise-F(?). I believe this is a lot like the Pocket Books Titan contest. I better fire up Illustrator then. :)
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this thread will be merged with the others as soon as links to them are posted lol
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lol ok
the STO thread:
http://bc-central.net/forums/index.php/topic,2667.2240.html
and the other Design the next Enterprise thread
http://bc-central.net/forums/index.php/topic,7988.0.html
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I think it's worth leaving at least one topic here. Maybe even a sticky. Many of the modders don't necessarily hang out in the other games section and this is fairly relevant to the forum.
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I think it's worth leaving at least one topic here. Maybe even a sticky. Many of the modders don't necessarily hang out in the other games section and this is fairly relevant to the forum.
How is it "fairly relevant to the forum", BC Modding, when the intent is to design a model for a non-BC game?
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December 10th
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise
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*threads merged*
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I think I will contribute to this contest. :D
Sweet! Can't wait to see that :p
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Its only for the US, witch sucks. So that means DJ, Marky, Baz, ME and nearly every other modder from here is not able to enter. I'm not to sure where Wily is from, but if there are any people from the US here, from what i know, you don't have to be a 3D modeler. There Relicing a Tool on the 9th of December, i'm not sure what it is. SO i hope some of you from here tries it out.
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I can send it in for someone if they need me to, and i can send you the prize if you win
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ill submit anything for anyone, and only ask for 50% of the reward :evil:
if i need to have my "name" on the project, i can say i did the windows lol j/k :P
seriously, tho - i think it is more than lame for the contest to be for only people in the US... why is that???
they sell the game world-wide but only US users can try for a contest? :roll
very unfair, IMO... i think anyone who pays for the game monthly should be eligible no matter what country they live in...
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This isn't so much of an open contest as sweepstakes. If any of you have ever bought Lunchables, you'll know what I mean. There is tons, AND I MEAN TONS, of fine print associated with these things. I one-hundred percent understand why it's only U.S. It probably took a hundred miles of red tape to get this legalized. An international one would probably be thousands.
Anyways, I know I'll be submitting a design myself. DJ's Century was designed in the late 24th century. It seems like the Enterprise E had a full 30 year-ish life at least a decade into the 25th, so I think even DJ will agree that the Century wouldn't be right for this timeline.
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I nominate WileyCoyote's design, the Proteus.
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I nominate WileyCoyote's design, the Proteus.
Thanks, but it doesn't qualify for an Enterprise. I might use some design elements though.
I'm not to sure where Wiley is from, but if there are any people from the US here, from what i know, you don't have to be a 3D modeler.
I'm from the US.
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I nominate WileyCoyote's design, the Proteus.
You're kidding right? How did you even think that that is a logical idea?
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It's a shame the Century isn't eligible because DJ simply lives across the pond. In fact, it's a shame that a lot of you aren't eligible for that reason. Farshot is right about the Century Class though I suppose. As beautiful as she is, she doesn't really fit into the timeline. This makes me wonder though... does STO have the intention of releasing another Chapter that has the Enterprise-E destroyed? Does she get retired? I think details like that are kind of important when designed another ship. Or at least that's what I think. I've never designed an Enterprise before lol.
I definitely look forward to seeing what everyone is going to design. And I really look forward to seeing what is chosen. The Sovereign is my favorite of the Big-E, (1701-A being second favorite), and it will be tough to follow IMO.
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You're kidding right? How did you even think that that is a logical idea?
Why not?
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It doesn't even look like an Enterprise. IMO, the profile of the Enterprise is so well known, you can't depart from it. Even the Ent J follows these principles:
1. Circular or elliptical saucer.
2. Circular or elliptical deflector dish.
3. Upward swept nacelles.
The Proteus violates all three of these. I do think it would make an excellent Voyager A or B though.
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no one ever said that was a requirement, I for one think the Proteus fits nicely with the STO Starcruiser class ships, especially the Nomad.
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It doesn't even look like an Enterprise. IMO, the profile of the Enterprise is so well known, you can't depart from it. Even the Ent J follows these principles:
1. Circular or elliptical saucer.
2. Circular or elliptical deflector dish.
3. Upward swept nacelles.
The Proteus violates all three of these. I do think it would make an excellent Voyager A or B though.
And not to mention size(cruiser) and role(all defense/offence; little to no science/diplomacy).
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I happen to think it's very big in the diplomacy aspect. There's the sheer beauty and intimidating size of the Galaxy, and then there's the cowboy diplomacy big guns of the Sovereign. :D
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ok guys can this debate about Wiley's ship please end? it is getting too offtopic for the thread...
thx :)
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Sean Tourangeau (designer of the Luna) is going to be entering the contest according to a post on his Deviant Art page.
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Just waiting for the official upload page to be posted.
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Its up now.
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/
Somone... and I'm serious.. Uploaded the Excalibur *facepalm*
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Somone... and I'm serious.. Uploaded the Excalibur *facepalm*
:banghead: :banghead: I just saw that. I'm now starting to think that people are posting everything and anything they could find and claim it as theirs. No effort at all. It's just a matter of time until someone posts DJ's Enterprise-F.
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that shit should be reported...
people cant be taking things they find and claiming it as theirs - thats total theft!
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That and a few us can't even upload submissions, because of File size errors. My sub is only 200KB and they say that I hve exceeded my 1mb disk quota.
They really need to think this through. That and the April 1 release date.
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They really need to think this through.
Yea, and all of the pics submitted are low quality(low resolution). You can't see any detail.
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****ATTENTION EVERYONE****
Someone has just submitted DJ's Century Class- 4 BC pics on a single image. Please someone contact them about theft!
Wait a minute, is that our Jimmy who submitted it?
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****ATTENTION EVERYONE****
Someone has just submitted DJ's Century Class- 4 BC pics on a single image. Please someone contact them about theft!
I was about to post this.
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oh ffs - why do people have to be so blatantly dishonest and think they can get away with it???
how absolutely utterly disgusting people can be!
those of you in the STO community - please please, i beg of you guys, please make an issue of this, and bring this up loudly for everyone to hear and know about, and dont let these thieves get away with taking someone's hard work and putting their own name on it, aka blatant stealing!!!
please keep us posted at bcc of the events...
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Perception Class image from madeinjapan1998 from deviantart is posted. And it's now 2 people for DJ's Enterprise-F. :(
Who's moderating this damn contest?
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Who's moderating this damn contest?
i dont know but something has to be done - this is completely disgusting...
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Despite my abolute disgust at people stealing other people's designs, I think the hammerhead Ent-F shown in the other STO thread would be a great design if they went with an Intrepid style saucer :D
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:banghead: :banghead: I just saw that. I'm now starting to think that people are posting everything and anything they could find and claim it as theirs. No effort at all. It's just a matter of time until someone posts DJ's Enterprise-F.
that's already happened... Design Entry #549
EDIT: silly BCC put me a page behind and I didn't realize it.
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Yep. Somebody has posted my Enterprise F as their own. I'm going to report it. The way they're going about this is so wrong.
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Seems like anything submitted automaticly gets put up on the site, seeing all the joke entries.
They seriously need to have everything go through moderation before being added to the site, right now they just show laziness and irresponsibility.
but yeah, the thefts are stupid, I've seen both the Century, and the Soulwolf (from BC-files) in the gallery so far...
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yup, I already see 3 centuries, not to mention a publicity shot of the Ent-E, someone's take on the JJprise and a Red Panda.
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The way they're going about this is so wrong.
ya i am fu*king sick to my stomach about this bullshit...
what a disgrace...
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Even the legacy mk2 is on there when neither myself or Galen live in USA, although i am tempted to vote for the Super Saiyajin 4 Goku
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Excalibur, Century, Legacy, Sol Wolf, Vesta, Enterprise F case study, USS titan are all from BC. Click on there pics and hit mark as offencive.
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it would be one thing if people asked to put up someone else's work - for example, if i asked DJ if i could submit his ship and he knew about it and i called it "mine" just to get the ship ingame....
but these kids are just grabbing whatever wherever and tagging their name on it, as tho they built it from beginning to finish, and asking it to be considered...
anyway, im done ranting about it lol it is just pitiful, the whole thing... i just hope there is an uproar and some justice is done...
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This contest is shit. Hopefully they'll make some changes, cause I know my submission has been voted 5 stars from at least 6 people. I'm sure with all the complaints about spammers, they'll add more buttons for community moderation.
Anyways, since you can vote for multiple submissions each once a day, you all should totally vote for mine. ;)
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Mark%20Woodhouse (http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Mark%20Woodhouse)
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This contest is shit. Hopefully they'll make some changes, cause I know my submission has been voted 5 stars from at least 6 people.
I'm a bit hesitant about submitting mine (when I get it done), because the website needs fixing.
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Lol, even the freaky concept art for one of the earlier movies has been submitted. I doubt Cryptic would even bother to ask for proof of ownership, but eh, kind of saw this coming.
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And now a guy who has submitted the Century using DJ's name...
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=DJ%20CURTIS (http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=DJ%20CURTIS)
Figures that this would happen... :mad:
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There are so many century classes.
So many people have made this a horrible contest... It should be stopped
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Wow, cluster!@#$ much? No filter at all to weed out the wetodds.
This contest is shit. Hopefully they'll make some changes, cause I know my submission has been voted 5 stars from at least 6 people. I'm sure with all the complaints about spammers, they'll add more buttons for community moderation.
Anyways, since you can vote for multiple submissions each once a day, you all should totally vote for mine. ;)
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Mark%20Woodhouse (http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Mark%20Woodhouse)
Now that is what a Federation starship should look like. Right a way I can see both the Sovereign and Excalibur inspiration in this design. Very cool.
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these are the concepts for my one, i'm building it in 3d at the moment so i can just change things around till i get it looking good then hopefully Galen will draw up some nice schematics for it
jb76 edit - please upload images that are large in size instead of hotlinking them...
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Oh that looks interesting.
UPDATE: Someone has uploaded DJ's G, Bonaventure, Eximus and Insignia. >_>
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I'm seeing lots of sfc II and III ships in the mix.
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WTF some guy even uploaded Perpetual's old Excal >.>
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To put it simply, this contest is a pisstake. Theres a picture of Picards head with 2 Sovie nacelles stuck on to the side.
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http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Benjamin this one is pretty cool.
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http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Benjamin this one is pretty cool.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic? That ships already in the game as a wreck... even before that... it was a concept ship for Perpetual Entertainment's STO. *points to my last post*
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This one was submitted by a friend of mine:
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Brian%20Childers
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Please tell me you're being sarcastic? That ships already in the game as a wreck... even before that... it was a concept ship for Perpetual Entertainment's STO. *points to my last post*
0-o apparently my link didn't copy correctly, thats not the ship I meant.
Edit: Oh they were both uploaded by the same person
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox/Starfleet_USS__TYCHO_W_I_P_by_ghshaw.jpg
thats the one I meant to link.
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Talk about an epic failure. Practically every image is previously published, and almost certainly are NOT original work by the submitter. Of the ones that are the submitters own work, they're usually awful kitbashes or absolute design disasters. There are maybe 3 decent designs on the whole gallery.
I guess nobody here has read the contest rules properly? Not only does the designer have to be in the US (and if they submitted it on somebody else's behalf they would need to keep that secret forever), but the design cannot have been "previously published". Which means very likely NONE of the current designs from BC are acceptable.
I believe that it's unfair not to accept a design simply because it's already been published or because the designer doesn't live in the US. The competition to set the standard for the next Enterprise should be given to the BEST design, no matter the nationality of its creator or the history of its publication.
The best design has already been published, and it is not fair for it to be arbitrarily ineligible for its rightful place. The best design for the NCC-1701-F is of course DJ Curtis' Century class USS Enterprise. For me, it will still be THE Enterprise-F.
Regardless of whatever wins the STO competition, everyone here will know which design deserved to win.
0-o apparently my link didn't copy correctly, thats not the ship I meant.
Edit: Oh they were both uploaded by the same person
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox/Starfleet_USS__TYCHO_W_I_P_by_ghshaw.jpg
thats the one I meant to link.
That fact that that picture proclaims itself as being the "USS Tycho" is a pretty dead giveaway that it wasn't made for the competition. This "Benjamin" dude is an obvious art thief...
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The filename itself says "by G H Shaw". Nowhere in that filename do I see a B or a Benjamin. That being said, I find no references on Google for either a G H Shaw person, or a USS Tycho matching that design.
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Found him on Deviant Art.
Here is GHShaw's ship:
http://ghshaw.deviantart.com/#/d1ez9ec
Here is his profile page:
http://ghshaw.deviantart.com/
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I believe that it's unfair not to accept a design simply because it's already been published or because the designer doesn't live in the US.
It has to do with International Law with the prizes. Anyways some American states are not allowed to submit to the Contest as well if I read the rules right. (ironically Iowa which is the "birth" place of Kirk :funny)
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Found him on Deviant Art.
Here is GHShaw's ship:
http://ghshaw.deviantart.com/#/d1ez9ec
Here is his profile page:
http://ghshaw.deviantart.com/
Proof that the submission on the contest page is not authorized by the original author. GH Shaw is Canadian, and the contest is only open to US residents (Stupid racist Cryptic).
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(Stupid racist Cryptic).
is that sarcasm. Sorry internet :P hard to tell
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(Stupid racist Cryptic).
Cos Canadian's are a race aren't they :facepalm:
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Cos Canadian's are a race aren't they :facepalm:
Well, what would you call it then? Cryptic favouring US citizens, and disallowing everyone else from participation. Maybe racist was the wrong word used, but it still doesn't make it right. Just because Star Trek originated in the US some 40+ odd years ago, doesn't mean Star Trek or it's fans are limited to the US.
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I don't think it's entirely Cryptics fault here.
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Sean Tourangeau's ship design has been stolen by a person with the false name of ERIC BLOODAXE- by adding an extra set of nacelles and gun turrets. He didn't even bother to cover up Sean's name- the thief put his over it! Until the plagiarism and design stealing ends, I'm not submitting anything.
I posted this same thing on Sean's deviantart page.
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I don't think it's entirely Cryptics fault here.
Indeed. In the other thread we had going on this, I'm sure I remember reading something that Cryptic already had to go through a significant amount of red tape with CBS just to get the competition going in the first place.
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International Law Strikes Again.
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Well, what would you call it then? Cryptic favouring US citizens, and disallowing everyone else from participation. Maybe racist was the wrong word used, but it still doesn't make it right. Just because Star Trek originated in the US some 40+ odd years ago, doesn't mean Star Trek or it's fans are limited to the US.
I call it over-zealous lawyers. There are competitions over here all the time that exclude the Republic of Ireland and the Isle of Man from participating even though the item to which the competition entry is attached is distributed there as well.
Though if you insist on giving it a name, its xenophobia.
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Well, what would you call it then? Cryptic favouring US citizens, and disallowing everyone else from participation.
International and national trade laws. Look it up, happens all the time.
As I said before even some US states and not allowed to enter the contest.
besides its CBS, Intel plus some other company doing the contest, STO is just the medium. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the CBS that came up with the idea.
I'm Canadian, FYI. So I'm not being one sided on this. We can't enter the contest either. I'm just defending Cryptic against something that is not their fault.
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Yeah, Cryptic has a lot less to do with this than some of you appearently think considering that its intels site, prizes and everything else.
I mean come on think about it. Would you rather deal with a thousand miles of red tape or five trips around the equators worth? Gee I think I know which option im going with if im CBS/Intel/Cryptic.
Its that simple people.
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I post from one the Devs says who ever wins has to prove they made the design,
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Wow, I can't believe some of the crap getting thrown up. An Ent-E promo image for heaven's sake! :facepalm:
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should've known this was too good to be true, US only?, well theyve missed out on a really good design.....makes me wanna quit STO on some of the stuff that was posted, and if ANY of my designs get entered by anyone else, im gonna personally sue em(thats how ya spell sue right?)
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if ANY of my designs get entered by anyone else, im gonna personally sue em(thats how ya spell sue right?)
It is.
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Somehow I get the feeling that no one is moderating this contest...
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Can you imagine moderating that shizhole? Most likely is that they'll moderate when they take the final twenty-five.
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Somehow I get the feeling that no one is moderating this contest...
Given how many pictures I saw that were NOT starships, I think you're right, lol...
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giving the amount sent in... that's kinda hard to keep watch 24/7... I bet that's why they let people report em.
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It's about time someone sent a direct message to the contest. :D
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=honor
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It's about time someone sent a direct message to the contest. :D
Well past the time, I'd say. :D
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The submissions are not being moderated, since you simply post and they are there. The winners are most certainly going to be moderated. Report anything you feel is stole or inappropriate.
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I recieved a private message from one of the STO forum admins on the moderation of the contest. After a long chain of "Oh, you should talk to XXXXX".
The entries are not moderated before they are posted, however those working on the contest do sweep the entries from time to time; deleting vulgarity, stupidity and such. Sadly, they cannot get through all the entries every time, and some people are constantly re-uploading these vulgar/stupid/childish images. The Picard-Head ship, they have left up for the time being, because they say it's amusing.
Thank you for taking time to look into the working of this contest Tai Juin, as many people are simply complaining about it without aquiring all the facts. Your suggestion on the modified report system (I.e. Short text box to state the reason) has been suggested in a meeting and passed on to the web team.
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Someone has decided to submit the Arrogant Class found here http://www.treknology.org/starships1.htm
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I recieved a private message from one of the STO forum admins on the moderation of the contest. After a long chain of "Oh, you should talk to XXXXX".
Well that's good to know, nice that someone cares. Also, I'm in the highest rated tab, and at least half the stuff above me is spam, so yay! :D
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Don't forget highest rated means that an entry with 1 vote of 5 stars will score higher than one with 50 votes of 5 star and one vote of 4 stars. :P
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Oh, any chance of finding out who this guy you talked to is? The first thing on the highest rated tab now is the Insignia, and I'm pretty sure its being plagiarized.
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WTF??? someone posted a STAR WARS star destroyer....gawd that comp should be shut down, its a disgrace.....
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people can post what they want lol it's just at the very end when they select the winner they have to prove it's theirs and it fits lol.
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TBH I'd rather see DJs Enterprise or the Arrogant class become the F
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TBH I'd rather see DJs Enterprise or the Arrogant class become the F
I'm inclined to agree, though in the case of DJ's, it'd be better if he had actually submitted himself or authorized someone to do likewise. He didn't, so...
I like the look of the Arrogant as well - the warp-capable saucer, the bridge escape pod, so on...
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I kind of like this one:
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=D%20SHICK
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I kind of like this one:
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=D%20SHICK
Welcome for the BCC forums! That version looks a bit closer to the Ent-J, but the top view is good.
Don't forget to vote for mine- there are still a lot of stolen designs in the Top 25-- vote for one that is original. :D
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Wiley
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Yeah, and while you're at it, there's mine as well. :P
Don't forget, there are four main winners! All of them (hopefully us ;)) get lifetime subscriptions.
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Mark%20Woodhouse (http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Mark%20Woodhouse)
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With A Week To Go Who will win??? :evil: Vote Vote Vote for your Fav. (Atleast they have the Voting Fixed for the most part) :evil:
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Thank you. First time post, but I've been lurking for awhile. I do like the BCC community and star trek ships, but I don't really model Star Trek/BC stuff so I've seldom found a reason to post. Decided to break the ice just today.
I actually have voted to you both already. I'm glad you actually spoke up about which design was yours, WileyCoyote, because I was wondering about that. Both of your submissions actually thread over very similar themes and design aesthetics and considering the design styles which appear to have prevalence over the BCC community I can kind of relate to your preferences.
Both are ships I certainly could live with myself (rather than start tearing at my hair in frustration) if they won the contest. I definitely hope they'll end up in the upper 25 winners.
I'll offer criticism; I hope you won't mind:
Farshot's Independence-class has a certain broadness and 'brutishness' on the top view that seems to evoke the mechanical/warship traits in my mind - some of it feels unappealing to me, because I'd rather it be smoother like Wiley's, but it fits with the plated style seen in STO (Cochrane, Quasar, Noble classes). I kind of like the way the bottom of the engineering hull fits into the shuttle - it's smooth and yet not so minimalistic as the Star Cruiser configuration. I like the presence of the navigational deflector and feel the quantum torpedo turret's position is stronger than the one on Wiley's. I also approve of the double shuttlebays, but I feel the dorsal side of the secondary hull has this almost hunchbacked quality to it which is less appealing (I think the same thing of the Vesta-class, and it doesn't stop me from liking the Vesta too). I don't like it's implied massive size because it's not my personal preference.
Wiley's own creation appeals to me due to its more fluid and organic lines (and it goes well with the style shared with the Aurora and Discovery classes). Looking at it, I'm also strongly reminded of DJ Curtis' Enterprise-G (Farshot's is a bit more like Curtis' Ent-F). Two shuttlebays are present, the torpedo turret has a bit less presence than I'd like. The engineering hull actually hasn't entirely flattened as much as Farshot's and Curtis' Ent-F... which I approve of because it makes the ship's bottom look more slender and elegant. I approve of the two shuttlebays, but wish there had been a secondary navigational deflector. I could definitely see it fly alongside the Vesta-class and look timeline accurate.
The thing I bemoan from both designs is that despite their many appealing aesthetics, they feel a little too safe. I was kind of hoping to see a more flagrant design difference (Ent-A vs. Ent-D? not sure, I might just be fickle here). They also both seem to prioritize design aesthetics beyond the Enterprise-E, but less on making the Enterprise-F the Enterprise for Star Trek Online (taking account of modularity, dual beam and cannon placements, hardpoints, impulse trails, etc...)
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voted both :D
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I'll offer criticism; I hope you won't mind:
Farshot's Independence-class has a certain broadness and 'brutishness' on the top view that seems to evoke the mechanical/warship traits in my mind... ...I don't like it's implied massive size because it's not my personal preference.
Thanks for the review, Zoberraz, and feel free to post more often, comments and criticisms are welcome by all here. ;)
I actually agree with many of your comments, and would change my design to incorporate some of what you said - I put this ship up only a couple days into the contest, without access to my laptop where I could have graphically designed it as Wiley had his. As such, I drew a sketch, scanned it, and wrote annotations with Paint. The size was exaggerated, as in that sketch it is twice the length of the Sovereign - it is intended to be about the same size as the Tier 5 star cruisers, which aren't much bigger than the Tier 5 assault cruisers, only a difference of 250 crew, perhaps making it only about 1.25 times the length of the Enterprise E. Deck-wise, they are about the same, with the Ent E being around 25, and my Ent F design being about 30.
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Hey guys heres our one
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/gallery?filter=search&keyword=Matthew%20Reynolds
vote if you like it! everyday so we can win over the titan designers one
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I'm pretty pissed about the contest. I was in the highest rated tab since the third day of the contest. Then on the last day, the submissions were spammed by last minute 5 stars. So quite a bit of those in the highest rated tab have few votes but high ratings! Grr, those cheap guys usurped my spot! :bitch:
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i'm going over these entries, and there's some real beauties in here. the first one that caught my attention had me say "this should be the enterprise H" (rather than the G)
http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise//enterprise/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox/shawn_weixelman_1701f.jpg
if it comes up wrong, it's the one submitted that looks like a Ralph MacQuarrie (sp) painting.
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I agree, that one IS good (First entry under 'Highest Rated')
Just a question, why is the thread called:
"Star Trek Online - Design The Next Enterprise... in Canon"
When it most certainly is NOT canon? Just a question...
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Canon as in endorsed by CBS.
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Just because its endorsed by CBS doesn't make it Canon. The Luna class isn't Canon, is it? That was endorsed by CBS.
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No one officially has defined canon, actually. It is generally accepted that only live-action and movies are canon, but that is only really fan consensus.
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Yeahm Star Trek has gone by the "On Screen = Canon" while Star Wars is "Anything approved by LucasFilm or any of those 'Lucas' companies = Canon"
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So, it's April First. Anyone heard anything?
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So, it's April First. Anyone heard anything?
Nope. The rules say that the results will be announced on or around April 1st. It will be sometime soon, maybe within a week.
No matter who wins, I am happy with our current modding group. The contest was very bad in design.
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Hey guys been a while! So now that the Foundry is live i got some great news yesterday-dstahl himself played my mission and gave it 5 stars! "The Darkness war brings". Check it out if you get time :) Been real busy so sorry i been gone.
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The contest is officially finished and the winners have been announced.
http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2415
To me, the winner's design is "meh." I'll have to see more views of it for me to like it.
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hmmm ya IMO the design is ok but nothing of the "wow!" factor... nothing against the designer or his work of course, but it doesnt really "stand out spectacularly" to me, as i imagined a new Ent-F design would or should...
btw - is there no other pics of this design other than that hand-drawn one?
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btw - is there no other pics of this design other than that hand-drawn one?
It is the only one so far.
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THAT is what they have replacing the Enterprise-E!? It looks like it was ripped off from the original Enterprise-C concept...
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heh indeed - i thought it looked rather familiar somehow...
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Its that combined with this:
(http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/SciFi/StarTrek/STTNG/big-ncc1701e1.jpg)
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Do not want!
There is pretty much nothing that I like about it. They failboated on this one.
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actually I kinda like it :)
just need to see more views.
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I think that though it is different from what we would call an Enterprise F, which is pretty much DJ's Century, it can definitely be called one. It has a certain air of majesty inherent to them all, and since STO is not a quick dogfight game, a ship faster and more armed than a Sovereign wouldn't really fit the bill. It does seem to go towards the direction of the Galaxy once again, so no qualms there.
Though I wasn't in the top 25, I'll always be a winner in my heart (aww) and so I plan to go forward with modelling my interpretation for Bridge Commander. (http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox/ent-f.jpg (http://www.startrekonline.com/enterprise/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox/ent-f.jpg))
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New Enterprise announced!!
http://startrekonline.com/node/2415
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New Enterprise announced!!
http://startrekonline.com/node/2415
The contest is officially finished and the winners have been announced.
http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2415
To me, the winner's design is "meh." I'll have to see more views of it for me to like it.
Found out a while ago bank :P
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Opps, lol, missed that post, lol.
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Here is the progress they are making on this huge mistake.
http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2466
http://startrekonline.com/node/2492
God I hate this thing.
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I actually like it :P
(http://www.startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/EnterpriseF_Render_01.jpg)
beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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I think that Thomas Marrone sketches looked pretty good. Though I still think the dual neck thing from the original sketch looked stupid, his adaptation looks pretty good. I like how it blends from aft of the impulse engines.
(http://www.startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/EnterpriseF_Concept_TMarrone_full.jpg)
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beauty is in the eye of the *beerholder.
Fixed.
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*cough* don't spam *cough*
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*cough* don't spam that's my job*cough*
*Fixed
I'm not too sure about the ship myself :S
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I like the clay render of the model okay, a lot better than the drawing. To me what this really lacks is some explanation of this design. After the Sov, Prometheus, Intrepid, etc. it's clear that Starfleet has ditched the interhull concept connecting drive to saucer section. Why have it on this ship? More importantly, how could having it split like that provide any benefit?
Also, from the drawings, the ship looks a touch to gregarious for my taste. It lacks refinement and sophistication, if you catch what I'm saying. The modeler from STO said he took inspiration from Porsche, but it looks more like he took inspiration from Volkswagen... quirky and nubby instead of slick and refined.
Though as I said, the 3d model is promising. My biggest gripe right now is actually with those terrible nacelles. It's fun to try to make nacelles look "advanced", but in the end look at every canon ship. The nacelles are usually pretty simple, pretty plain... One should not disregard practicality in their design. Remember the crew only sees the ship one room at a time.
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The modeler from STO said he took inspiration from Porsche, but it looks more like he took inspiration from ...
Don't forget Volkswagen's first designer WAS Professor Ferdinand Porsche... (I still theink the Porsche 911 looks more like a VW Beetle)
I like the IDEA of the dual neck, but would greatly appreciate some canonical reason to have it.
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I like the IDEA of the dual neck, but would greatly appreciate some canonical reason to have it.
Maybe ship designers looked back at the "older Constitution-Class" vessels for their elegance. In 2409, these ships were still in service but rather for a nostalgic factor than a practical use. Fleet reports indicated a design flaw in these ships- the neck was a vulnerable spot for weapons fire. To solve this problem, dual neck starships were designs to solve this 200 year old problem.
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Sounds like they just doubled the problem if you ask me.
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Don't you see? It's a trick: The enemy sees a neck, and they're all like, "Ooh, let's fire on that and snap the ship in half!" But once the deed is done, the ship is still whole, and thus they wasted all their time firing on an unimportant spot for no gain. Successful troll is successful. :P
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Here is another dev diary about it. Now most are saying its even more like a sovvie varient.
http://startrekonline.com/node/2527
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heh it has a USS Titan feel to it now.
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that ship looks kinda cool actually! someone should do one for BC lol :P
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Hmm, I'd give it about a 7 on a 10 scale at the moment. The deflector feels very Galaxy-ish to me, a throwback I really like. I'd like to see a more unique nacelle design - it feels about as different from a Sov nacelle as the Noble's.
However, I will say this: I know that once it is ingame, the community will accept it better, and since story is likely going to be involved with it, it'll get better ingrained into heads. Thusly, I'm fully expecting that CGI artists will most likely be making high quality, high poly meshes at some point in the near future. People such as Tobias Richter even. And the thing is, though I may not be entirely looking forward to this as the newest Enterprise, I'm definitely looking forward to interpretations of it. :)
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that ship looks kinda cool actually! someone should do one for BC lol :P
Agreed.
It is a nice, streamlined design and I can actually see this thing being another Enterprise.
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The deflector feels very Galaxy-ish to me, a throwback I really like.
to me, it seems very Intrepid-ish lol
but either way, i also really like the throwback - thats the first thing that stood out to me and i was pleased to see it :)
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So, are people going to be able to fly that particular class?
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So, are people going to be able to fly that particular class?
The "Enterprise-F" class ship, will eventually be made into a playable "Cruiser" type ship in the game. But the Enterprise-F herself, will most likely remain exclusive as the ONLY ship of said class for a while, before the player base gets access to flying it.
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Ah, I see. I wonder how they plan on sending off the Enterprise-E.
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Ah, I see. I wonder how they plan on sending off the Enterprise-E.
Museum ship, no doubt...
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Not that I could ever build a mesh or even draw a ship design but...I think this design is horrible! The nacelles and pylons go poorly with the chunkiness of the saucer-secondary hull connecters, the saucer looks badly misshapen and fangs on the end of the secondary hull look terrible.
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I'm not too sure about it...however I don't have a rig strong enough to play STO (not yet anyways, working on rebuilding an old HP DV6000 series and fixing key issues on it (IE, the graphics card))
If I ever get STO I will most likely have to play this ship in order to get a more valued response.
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Actually, regarding the fangs, the Enterprise J has them, so I see them fitting into the lineage.
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Ah, I see. I wonder how they plan on sending off the Enterprise-E.
In the STO-verse, the Enterprise E went though a 'singularity' in the Paulson Nebula and was never heard from again.
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Since that is such a crappy ending, I'm predicting a mission will involve somehow rescuing the E and Brent Spiner will voice Captain Data. Just an idea. :evil:
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Actually, regarding the fangs, the Enterprise J has them, so I see them fitting into the lineage.
That ship is lean and elegant. This one looks like it stayed at a hotel between two McDonalds's. -Note: this actually happened to me in D.C....shame I hate McDonalds :D-
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actually I don't recall anything happening to the Ent-E. they just stopped mentioning it in the timeline after it discovered the singularities. It would be interesting to find out what really happened though.
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actually I don't recall anything happening to the Ent-E. they just stopped mentioning it in the timeline after it discovered the singularities. It would be interesting to find out what really happened though.
Would be kinda cool if they did an STO version of "Yesterday's Enterprise". The Enterprise-E reemerges in the present (2409), and their disappearance could possibly have been the cause of the entire Federation/Klingon war.
The singularity they encountered, could've been a conduit into fluidic space (i.e Undine/8472).
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On another subject altogether if I may... I just purchased STO and haven't installed it yet (yes I know, late bloomer) and was wondering if I could get some feedback on what all of you generally think about the game? Is it easy to play/figure out? If there are different "seasons" already, would I start out on season 1?
Anyhow, just a few starting questions to get me going.
Thanks in advance!
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Seasons are updates, not actual episode packs. Thus, the Season 4 update adds more content and fixes bugs, not forcing you into a new set of missions.
And for the brief time I played, I loved it.
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On another subject altogether if I may... I just purchased STO and haven't installed it yet (yes I know, late bloomer) and was wondering if I could get some feedback on what all of you generally think about the game? Is it easy to play/figure out? If there are different "seasons" already, would I start out on season 1?
First, i'll start off by welcoming you to STO. For me, it's been quite a bumpy ride since it's original release in February 2010. I'll give you a rundown on it's progress from launch until today:
The game was originally launched with a distinct lack of content, and a necessity to do several "repeatable" missions to reach level cap, which at the time was 41 (Rear Admiral). When Season 1 was launched about 1.5 month later, the game added several much needed features, as well as the start of their proper "Endgame content" known as Special Task Forces (STFs for short). With the release of Season 2 in the end of July, the game got a drastic increase in playable content, an entire new sector block was opened where the player faces off against the Undine (Species 8472), and a raise in level cap to 51 (Vice Admiral).
Season 3 was the final major "Season" update of 2010, which focused primarily on UI updates which included an entirely revamped graphical experience while travelling through "Sector Space" (i.e when your ship is at warp). If you enable "Astrometrics" in the game via toggle, you'll see a similar view of what it looked like originally. The new sector space style is leaps and bound above the original style. By the time of STOs 1-year anniversary on Feb 2nd 2011, the Earth Spacedock was revamped to look like the one you see today, and which is most famous from the TOS movies and TNG. Season 3 also was the start of what Cryptic calls "Featured Episodes", which are episode arcs spanning 5 episodes, and the rewards are generally quite good. To date there are 3 completed episode arcs (Breen, Dividian, Romulan), with a 4th coming later in Season 4 involving Cardassians.
Season 3's biggest feature went live earlier this year, called The Foundry. Players are encouraged and enabled to create/play their own user-made content. The Foundry has had it's fair share of issues, but the goal is to effectively allow the player to create any scenario he/she wants eventually. New features and content will be added over time to the Foundry. The Foundry is nowhere near perfect as is, but with it, there have been many missions made by the players, some of which rival content created by Cryptic.
Season 4 is the latest seasonal update which went live earlier this month (July 7th), and with it came a completely revamped Ground Combat experience. Throughout the games first 3 seasons, the Ground Combat was always somewhat lacking (and frankly boring) compared to the near perfected Space Combat in the game. Ground Combat 2.0 upped the combat pace of the game, a complete rebalance of all ground skills/kits and weapons, and a rebalance to all ground armors/shields. The player is also given the ability to toggle between RPG Mode (default) and FPS Mode. In FPS mode, many abilities were opened up to allow "free fire" such as tossing grenades around, placing AoEs such as the Science force field etc.
In addition to Ground Combat 2.0, the Klingon "First City" on Quo'nos was completely revamped, and the results are most impressive. Later this season, Cryptic will be launching their "Duty Officer" system which will be an added level of customization to players ships/crews, and greatly simplify various common tasks, and generally make them more rewarding. Players will be able to send their "duty officers" on various assignments which can either be combat oriented, or diplomacy oriented, or several variations on them. Depending on the assignment, and the rank/quality of your assigned officers, the rewards can be greatly improved.
Lastly, Season 4 promises to include several more episode arcs (such as the aforementioned Cardassian-centric series), and there are many more things planned for the future.
I'll close with a recommendation to visit the official Wiki page (http://www.stowiki.org) for Star Trek Online, and read up on the upcoming content (http://www.stowiki.org/Upcoming_content) to the game.
Fly safe out there in sector space, and live long and prosper :)
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Note: Many more things have been added over the course of the last year and a half. The above was merely a "brief" rundown on some of the more notable additions ;)
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Thanks Darkthunder, you've given me a very good run down of STO.
Cookie for you!
Another question: After I install STO and start playing, should I go ahead and "patch" the game with the latest "seasons" or is that recommended from the start and automatically updated?
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Another question: After I install STO and start playing, should I go ahead and "patch" the game with the latest "seasons" or is that recommended from the start and automatically updated?
You should most definitely update your game to the latest version (i.e Patch). Without patching the game, you won't be able to access the Holodeck (game server). As previously stated, the term "Seasons" is generally referred to as their major updates. Think of them as mini-expansions to the game. Cryptic's previous title 'City of Heroes', used the term "Issues" for their major patches.
Also of note, is that a "Season" update is not just when the game is patched with said update, but also any content/patches to the game in the span of time between seasons. I have no doubt that Season 5 (TBD) will be a significant update to the game, much like previous Seasons have been.
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In the STO-verse, the Enterprise E went though a 'singularity' in the Paulson Nebula and was never heard from again.
As far as I know, it wasn't. Only mention of the Enterprise and the Paulson Nebula was that it first encountered the Undine in the Alpha Quadrant there.
Also Full Colour in engine picture
http://www.startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/StarTrek_EnterpriseF_screen_main.jpg
According to Exec Producer Dan Stahl, the Base class of the enterprise F, the Odyssey Class will be given out as a mission reward sometime in the future, Variants on the class will probably be C-Store/Emblems. More pictures will be coming out Friday.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3653606&postcount=109
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3653628&postcount=116
Also, completely unrelated to the topic, new Borg cube textures coming
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z105/williafx/sto%20stuff/BORG_REVAMP.jpg
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Geez...first the JJ-Prise, and now this...why do they always, ALWAYS pick the most unflattering angles to unveil a ship from? :bitch:
Personally, I like the first three of the small images just fine. But that angle for the big shot has only seemed to work for the Ent-E.
I like how the guy posting about it glossed over the fate of the Enterprise-E. I guess when the F launches, most Fed officers are like "WTF?" and are then told that the details of the Ent-E are classified. :P
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They're definitely getting better at design at least. The style looks refreshingly 25th century and yet not as radical as previous designs of theirs such as the Horizon class. That ball thing at the front looks so retarded... :facepalm:
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I like how the guy posting about it glossed over the fate of the Enterprise-E. I guess when the F launches, most Fed officers are like "WTF?" and are then told that the details of the Ent-E are classified. :P
CBS has not allowed him to say what the Ent-E's fate is, I'm guessing they're planning something.
Also I don't get people saying that Deflector looks like an eye ball, how does it look like an eye ball? I don't see any resemblance to an Eye ball at all, the Galaxy Class Deflector looks more like an Eye ball.
I'd love to see a higher detail model made for BC.
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In other news... Starfleet Academy (2409) has been added to the game. Currently a social map, it will eventually be retooled for the new Federation Tutorial, coming later this year. Klingon Academy still WIP.
Images:
- Starfleet Academy 1 (http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/253/screenshot2011072021582.jpg), 2 (http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6026/screenshot2011072022005.jpg), 3 (http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/253/screenshot2011072021582.jpg), 4 (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6748/screenshot2011072022001.jpg), 5 (http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3413/screenshot2011072021595.jpg), 6 (http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8924/screenshot2011072022013.jpg)
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I have some academy screens from 'Unique' perspectives
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/540648543051692529/8F57BE4562815BAAED05A7127F3FF8D75D932881/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/540648543051414692/743B0AB3F318C8C0B67CC42B15823F4B33FFB927/
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heh did you do that rolling trick to get on top of the building?
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I have some academy screens from 'Unique' perspectives
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/540648543051692529/8F57BE4562815BAAED05A7127F3FF8D75D932881/
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/540648543051414692/743B0AB3F318C8C0B67CC42B15823F4B33FFB927/
Nice shots. I wish the game could look that nice on my laptop...I need to upgrade. :p What uniform is that btw?
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I think that uniform is part of the Jupiter set...?
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heh did you do that rolling trick to get on top of the building?
Getting up there is a bit more complicated, first you need to get over the fence by standing on the whale monument plaque then beaming to your bridge and back down, once you get to the other side, it involves walking counter-clockwise around the edge of the map, climbing through a couple trees and then carefully walking along the roofs of the buildings.
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Yeah its a Jupiter Uniform with the Veteran "Bling" (when you hit 500 days and own the Jupiter Pack you get Variants with Shiny pieces)
No, I didn't so a roll glitch (there is a roll glitch?) to get up there, I got over the fence and hiked
Edit:
Ace Beat me to the punch.
Also Odyssey Class (Ent-F) Development patch one of the artists made
http://yfrog.com/z/klezlmp
Would do Okuda proud.
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I like the clay render of the model okay, a lot better than the drawing. To me what this really lacks is some explanation of this design. After the Sov, Prometheus, Intrepid, etc. it's clear that Starfleet has ditched the interhull concept connecting drive to saucer section. Why have it on this ship? More importantly, how could having it split like that provide any benefit?
I've had a far easier time thinking around it when I stopped comparing the double-neck to the Oberth and realized that as presented, it actually showed a much stronger design lineage with the Akira-class' catamaran hull. That was just as much a new direction as the no-neck Nova and Intrepid.
The Akira started being around pretty much at the same time we first saw the Sovereign-class. I don't see it as too farfetched to grab some design cues from it. I understand wanting some good explanation too... but really, the Akira and Steamrunner catamaran-like hull didn't draw much flak. I don't recall people dwelling too much on the why of their hull layouts so much as just appreciating the look of it.
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I doubt the roll glitch would work here (I thought they fixed it months ago anyway) there's an overhang on the second story of all those buildings.
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Well I havent played as often as i'd like so if it were fixed nvm lol
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New enterprise-F screenshots! :)
(http://startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_enterprisef_072211_01_0.jpg)
(http://startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_enterprisef_072211_02_0.jpg)
(http://startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_enterprisef_072211_03_0.jpg)
(http://startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_enterprisef_072211_04_0.jpg)
(http://startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_enterprisef_072211_05_0.jpg)
(http://startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_enterprisef_072211_06_0.jpg)
(http://startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_enterprisef_072211_07_0.jpg)
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Not bad. She looks nice in game. (BTW, after reading this thread today, I got the game myself :P)
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meh... not bad, looks good for a bastard child of damn near EVERYTHING that had 1701 on it.... :facepalm:
im really not a fan of this design.
Djs century will ALWAYS be the "F" in my book :dontcare:
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I'm going to go with the whole multiple universe thing. I'd really take either of them any day of the week.
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I'm going to go with the whole multiple universe thing. I'd really take either of them any day of the week.
ill give you that point.
IMHO, every 1701 has been a step forward from the predecessor, this looks like it belongs next to a sovvy and not as a step up from it, i can glance this over and see EVERY element from all the predecessors, wich dosn't quite sit right to me to have the 1701 title, with the Century, it was a step forward in the sleeker design lineage, as in more streamlined towared the inevitable "J". with this to me this looks like a sovvy with a neck and a flat back. the aft tips of the nacelles scream "A", with galaxy and sovvy thrown in... and the saucer design looks VERY familiar to me (though i cant put my finger on it) like i said its a good overall design. (end of pointless rant)
buuuut given the "alternate universe" thing and getting drunk enough, i could possibly accept it.... if i played STO.
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you realize this will probably be the official design CBS asks Novel writers to use now,
So if you're a novel reader you'll probably be seeing this once the Ent-E gets destroyed/retired/lost in the Novel-verse.
The Ent-F's shuttle bay reminds me of the Luna class.
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The Ent-F's shuttle bay reminds me of the Luna class.
heh the whole ship gave me a Luna class vibe.
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heh the whole ship gave me a Luna class vibe.
So does the whole "OMG Suxxorz" idea some people are taking. They should just stop letting fans design these ships I guess lol
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Actually, the way I see it, the Century shares more similarities with the Sovereign than this.
1. Both Sovereign and Century have elliptical saucers, Odyssey's is more like DJ's Eclipse in shape.
2. Century and Sovereign have angled up and straight (viewed from fore or aft) pylons, while Odyssey's curve up.
3. Century's shuttle bay doors closely match Sovereign's impulse engines in size, position, and shape.
4. Both the Sovereign and Century have no neck, whereas the Odyssey has two.
5. Century's secondary hull is roughly the same shape as Sovereign's, but a bit broader, while Odyssey has, as mentioned before, curves reminiscent of the Luna.
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I can live with this Enterprise. There have been many Enterprise-lineage ships for years, this is just another interpretation. Until we see it in the Ships of the Line calendar, it is still just a game ship.
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I can live with this Enterprise. There have been many Enterprise-lineage ships for years, this is just another interpretation. Until we see it in the Ships of the Line calendar, it is still just a game ship.
Well this contest was hosted by CBS, and the final design seen there had to go through CBS for approval (actually almost everything Cryptic does in STO has to go through CBS's Trek department for approval).
I wouldn't be surprised if it became 'official'
They're trying to get the Vesta Class in game (Ezri's Ship in the Novel-verse) the designer has said he'd like it in the game, but apparently its in Legal-Limbo with CBS.
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Vesta in STO.
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I actually really like this new Enterprise. DJ's IMO is a bit better but this one is pretty darn nice too.
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Added some Orthos to the site, little small
(http://www.startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_entf_072511_01.jpg)
Looks like some changes since the friday pictures, different textures, the bridge seems different.
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from the top and bottom its not that bad looking, the rest however kill it to me
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Only thing I don't like is how the registry number is written, its stretched in a arch instead of evenly spaced.
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keep looking better and better :D
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Cryptics ship modeller CapnLogan posted a link to his dropbox to the bigger orthographic image, but he didn't post the public link so no-one can see it, I'll post a link to his post when it gets resolved, don't want to post a direct link, don't want to overwhelm his dropbox.
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May not be "Enterprisey", but I'm still gonna get my hands on one of these ships down the line. (See my sig, heh.)
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Good thing its going to be a free mission reward.
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Good thing its going to be a free mission reward.
Yes, but from what mission? Some people think it's gonna require an STF-type thing, set AFTER the feature episodes.
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Ta daa!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29303569/ENT_F/Ship_Fed_FC5F_Type1_Compilation.jpg)
full img = http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29303569/ENT_F/Ship_Fed_FC5F_Type1_Compilation.jpg
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you beat me
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well, its interesting, but im not completely satisfied with the design... it needs to be more streamlined from the side and front views
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well, its interesting, but im not completely satisfied with the design... it needs to be more streamlined from the side and front views
I kinda agree, but only because it reminds me of my least favorite Enterprise from those angles.
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I kinda agree, but only because it reminds me of my least favorite Enterprise from those angles.
... do please humor us... which one?
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More screenshots!
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z105/williafx/sto%20stuff/screenshot_2011-07-28-17-52-10.jpg)
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z105/williafx/sto%20stuff/screenshot_2011-07-28-17-52-04.jpg)
Made a new sky file to sharpen image, desaturate colors, crank up the bloom, and BLACKEN space. Realism in STO: ENGAGE!!
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... do please humor us... which one?
The D. She looked great from some angles, but others...just awkward.
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I've poured over this thing and in general I like it. I think it would look a lot better with a more traditional neck. Also, anyone notice the deflector has a split design like the one on my Enterprise F?
I particularly like the nacelles and the dorsal profile. The way the impulse engines are recessed is very nice.
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It's alright I guess. If anything I would like the nacelle pylons to be a hair or two wider but for the most part I don't think it's all bad; besides, the Enterprise-E did set the bar pretty high in all fairness...
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I've poured over this thing and in general I like it. I think it would look a lot better with a more traditional neck. Also, anyone notice the deflector has a split design like the one on my Enterprise F?
I particularly like the nacelles and the dorsal profile. The way the impulse engines are recessed is very nice.
Not to mention that the saucer has a little bit of your Eclipse in it. Just a tad.
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I'll bet that the designer of this ship probably studied DJ's designs and decided to use some elements from them to make a somewhat hybrid. But then added some original parts to make it not too close to anything DJ has made.
Problem is, if the above is truly the case, as much as I like this new Ent-F design, if anything was "lifted" from DJ's work it's for lack of a better way of putting it... pussy. Some parts are IMO too much like DJ's fine work and the designer of this ship couldn't think of something completely unique without "borrowing" pieces of others' work?? COME ON! You can do better than that!
On the other hand, if the designer honestly thought similarly to DJ's way of thinking/creating, then please forgive my above comments.
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I'll bet that the designer of this ship probably studied DJ's designs and decided to use some elements from them to make a somewhat hybrid. But then added some original parts to make it not too close to anything DJ has made.
Problem is, if the above is truly the case, as much as I like this new Ent-F design, if anything was "lifted" from DJ's work it's for lack of a better way of putting it... pussy. Some parts are IMO too much like DJ's fine work and the designer of this ship couldn't think of something completely unique without "borrowing" pieces of others' work?? COME ON! You can do better than that!
On the other hand, if the designer honestly thought similarly to DJ's way of thinking/creating, then please forgive my above comments.
Better than people using Tobias Richter's old WIP JJ-Prise as advertising.
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I'll bet that the designer of this ship probably studied DJ's designs and decided to use some elements from them to make a somewhat hybrid. But then added some original parts to make it not too close to anything DJ has made.
Problem is, if the above is truly the case, as much as I like this new Ent-F design, if anything was "lifted" from DJ's work it's for lack of a better way of putting it... pussy. Some parts are IMO too much like DJ's fine work and the designer of this ship couldn't think of something completely unique without "borrowing" pieces of others' work?? COME ON! You can do better than that!
On the other hand, if the designer honestly thought similarly to DJ's way of thinking/creating, then please forgive my above comments.
To be fair thou, each and every one of the "Enterprise" class designs, borrowed something from one of the ships that came before it. It's called a "lineage" of ship designs, and even in the STO Enterprise-F, elements of past Enterprise's can be traced back to it's origin. The basic 2-cylinder nacelles, 1-cylinder stardrive and "saucer-shaped" primary hull are still there, albeit modified. The Enterprise-F most drastic difference in appearance, would be to re-invent the usage of a neck connection between stardrive and saucer, compared to the sleekness of the Enterprise-E which had no defined neck.
I can see where some "DJ Curtis"-influence might be present in the Enterprise-F design, but simultaneously it shows some progression to what we know of as the Enterprise-J (which i'm sure DJ Curtis took some inspiration from, in designing some of his ships).
The end result, is that artists of all kinds, often borrow from other artists. One might call it plagiarism, but that's generally how things work. Music often borrows lyrics and even entire sections of a song. Movies occasionally re-use old footage from other movies (Google The Island & Transformers 3 for example).
EDIT: Example given,
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To be fair Darkthunder, that was from another Michael Bay movie and he had no choice but to borrow footage from somewhere since they couldn't use what was filmed in that car chase because an extra had been badly injured and paralyzed on set and the family pretty much legally bound Paramount to not use the footage.
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To be fair Darkthunder, that was from another Michael Bay movie and he had no choice but to borrow footage from somewhere since they couldn't use what was filmed in that car chase because an extra had been badly injured and paralyzed on set and the family pretty much legally bound Paramount to not use the footage.
True enough. I actually did research a bit after my last post, and realized it was Bay that directed 'The Island'. That doesn't exclude the fact, that artists borrow stuff from other artists. I'm sure The Island/Transformers 3 situation is not unique. Hell Star Trek has been known to "borrow" scenes from other tv-shows/movies.
How many non-Star Trek movies can you spot in the mirror universe intro? :P
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In the STO-verse, the Enterprise E went though a 'singularity' in the Paulson Nebula and was never heard from again.
Well I have news on this front, Cryptic have 'edited' their "Path to 2409" section of the website and removed the part stating the Enterprise-E was MIA. Last thing the Enterprise did now was in September 2408, sent to Starbase 236 after command loses contact with the base.
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Well I have news on this front, Cryptic have 'edited' their "Path to 2409" section of the website and removed the part stating the Enterprise-E was MIA. Last thing the Enterprise did now was in September 2408, sent to Starbase 236 after command loses contact with the base.
Well, that's good. I'd hate for the E to go the same way as the B. No Enterprise should go quietly unless she's being retired as a museum piece. And if the Ent-E becomes a museum piece, then we should be able to visit it.
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And if the Ent-E becomes a museum piece, then we should be able to visit it.
I concur. On the grounds of the Presidio, next to the USS Voyager (complete with ablative armor generators) :P
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*offtopic cleared*
guys - please stay ontopic to the thread...