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Title: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on February 05, 2009, 09:45:34 AM
Well, I've been a bit bored recently and I started this and with MR_JOHN's permission, here it is!

Ships are:
Crimson Sunrise (Sunny)
Million Voices (Milla)
Pax Magellanic (Jill)
Twelve Centuries (12)

And I've got 3 more on the way (including a reworked Andromeda). :D
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Billz on February 05, 2009, 09:51:03 AM
Are you planning on fixing the model and textures of the Andromeda?

The original was good but seemed rushed.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 05, 2009, 09:52:47 AM
I plan on something. I want to get the others done before I focus all my energies on Andromeda.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Villain on February 05, 2009, 10:31:02 AM
I remember this show! Hercules was the ships captain!
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 05, 2009, 10:34:39 AM
Yes! Then it got a bit silly near the end where he became a Paradine which can do things with time nd space and then there was a silly story about Seefra being Tarn Vedra bla de bla...the last episode was good. :P
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 05, 2009, 10:49:30 AM
For this pack, I'm going to do a preview video. Mainly because I feel like doing one for once.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Technerd89 on February 05, 2009, 12:38:09 PM
I agree with Billz that the models need some work. MR_JOHNs works were great in their day, but theyre pretty sub-par now.
Also, im curious as to how youre going to hardpoint this. There was an extremely lengthy thread on FF forums way back in the day on how someone was going to impliment an accurate hardpoint of it. Of course now we've got the scripting knowledge to make most of it happen.
However you plan on doing it, good luck.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 05, 2009, 01:06:41 PM
For the hardpoint, its going to use the same positions as John put in with a few extras and completely new weapons and textures. But because the Andromeda's weapons varied through each series (seeming to gain more each year) I'm going to settle on an ultimatum. But you will be satisfied :D.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Aeries on February 05, 2009, 02:18:06 PM
I wish to deliver you a big hug! :D I've always adored the Andromeda... very much. <3

A question for you. Will you be constructing the other Higuard [sp] ships for this pack? I seem to recall a couple episodes where several of their ship classes were featured... in some kind of direlect field of them all held or... whatever. :S I remember one of their AI's being named Osiris, anyways.

OH! There was also this other episode where they showed an older ship that looked similar to the Andromeda, but less streamlined and lacking the funky line thingies all over the place...
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: El on February 05, 2009, 02:26:01 PM
There were a couple of other ship types in the earlier series;
Siege Perilous Class/DSX Attack Cruiser
And what ever class the Starry Wisdom was.
Alacratis Missive class courier

The latter series also had some smaller (unknown) Commonwealth/Vedran design models.
Then of course there are various types of drones, and the slipfighters.

The HP was problematic at the time due to the limited weapon types, although recent techs may help with that.
Particularly Point Defence Lasers.

What the Glorious Heritage class really needs is a new set of textures from the later series with the glowing highlights.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: FourChan on February 05, 2009, 02:37:15 PM
Nice, I liked that show while it was on :) -gives a cookie-
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Billz on February 05, 2009, 06:37:30 PM
I really need to watch this show.

The only thing I knew about this ship was that it was capable of slipstream, which would have made anyone throw up if they were watching the slipstream effect while drinking, lol.

Infact, I don't even think I have ever seen a full episode of Andromeda. It was always on at awkward times during its first run. Its being re-run in the mornings when I'm not around but thats about it.

Enough of my babbleing. If you are able ti improve the model and textures on Andromeda and give it shuttle launching for those funky looking fighters, then you have a definate download from me.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Shadowknight1 on February 05, 2009, 06:51:14 PM
Woo!  I love that ship design!
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 06, 2009, 07:34:51 AM
I'm going to avoid putting the glow highlight things on 1 or 2 ships:

A) To save time
B) To give an effect of the ships being slightly older.

Also, MR J's version had the highlights but turned up as glows and the colour of the hull underneath. And I'm aiming to get the Andromeda to look like it did in the final series (where they finally got the best out of their CGI!).

And yes, slipstream was a real ice cream headache.

Heres the reason why I started this:

Hearing that revised theme made me wanna shoot up some big shippies.

And heres the Andromeda when she's fully loaded (watch from 1:05 to 1:33):


And yes, I know there was a s**t-load of other Commonwealth/Vedran ships but unfortunately I'm no modeler :( .


Edit: I found some Armada 2 models of other High Guard ships!
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 06, 2009, 07:58:03 AM
I've just thought of something:

If you wanna make an Eternal Vigilance class, you get the GH model, cut the back ring bits off, stick engines on the end of whats left, make it flatter, add a dent round the front pointy bit and you have one!

Watch 1:30 to 1:41 for Eternal Vigilance.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Kirk on February 06, 2009, 08:30:17 AM
Dalek, talk to (acid)fluxx(bass) about porting A2 models. I think he may have some experience with that (on that note, starforce may too.)
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 06, 2009, 09:26:03 AM
Dalek, talk to (acid)fluxx(bass) about porting A2 models. I think he may have some experience with that (on that note, starforce may too.)

Ooh, ok. I had not anticipated a ship pack :D.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Shadowknight1 on February 06, 2009, 01:34:10 PM
Either way, I'm excited about this.  I love the design of the Andromeda, and more of them will be just plain cool. :D
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Furyofaseraph on February 08, 2009, 01:28:04 AM
I've never been gung-ho about andromeda, but I like your retexes nonetheless. That remix of the high-guard march is sweet.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 15, 2009, 10:54:43 AM
I'm back. And the Andromeda is sitting on my desk...

Edit: El, you've got your glowing highlights!
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Aeries on February 15, 2009, 12:01:47 PM
Oh coooool!
*squints* that model is definitely in need of some work, though... :S
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 15, 2009, 12:12:26 PM
Yup.

Big edit: Things I'm going to somehow get sorted:

1. Smooth edges
2. Extend the front wing/poky bits so that there is a larger gap from the front of the wing/point bits and the nose.
3. Make nose podgier.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Shadowknight1 on February 15, 2009, 09:16:19 PM
Ahhh, beautiful.  Cookie for Dalek for bringing new life to this ship. :)
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 16, 2009, 06:21:24 AM
Hopefully, Mr. Limey will very kindly smooth all those rough edges out on the model. His cookie fest already beings...
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: El on February 16, 2009, 07:54:00 AM
Looks much better. Don't forget that the ramscoopes on the different ships are diferrent colours too.
e.g. Andromeda's is blue but the Crimson Sunrise had Green iirc.

That model does need an overhaul! I'm sure Limey will do it justice.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 16, 2009, 08:11:18 AM
Which bits do you mean by ramscoops El? The orange circled areas or the pink circled areas?
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 16, 2009, 10:09:13 AM
Jeez, isn't limey wonderful? He nearly made me cry when I saw the Andromeda...:D You can see the smoothness and the extended wing bit things.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 16, 2009, 01:28:21 PM
Just a couple more pictures for you to feast on. And all the ship models have been replaced with the new one.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: JimmyB76 on February 16, 2009, 03:18:53 PM
very nice!

btw - the edit button is your friend, Mr. Triple Post :P
lol j/k



Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: El on February 16, 2009, 03:53:53 PM
Looks like you've got them covered (the pink circled bits), so not to worry.

Model looks better, but I'm sure the raised areas should be smoother where they meet the main hull.

You can see the smoothness and the extended wing bit things.

You mean the Slipstream runners?
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Aeries on February 16, 2009, 04:10:23 PM
Looks a ton better, though i agree with El; the areas where the extruded components meet the hull ought to blend in smoother.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Billz on February 16, 2009, 04:37:27 PM
Model looks good but its hard to appreciate the changes with all that jaggyness. Antialising is your friend. Don't be scared of it 8)

I can't wait to see your textures. Those 'lines' in the older textures, the ones that look like watermark damage on photos, really used to bug on the older model.

Any chance of seeing slipstream fighters (I think thats their name but I havn't watched much of Andromeda so correct me if I'm wrong, which I most likely am, lol)?
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: El on February 16, 2009, 07:35:53 PM
Slip Fighters, there used to be one on BC Files, but I can't seem to find it.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Aeries on February 16, 2009, 08:13:47 PM
Slip Fighters, there used to be one on BC Files, but I can't seem to find it.

the original andromeda ascendant pack came with one.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Shadowknight1 on February 16, 2009, 08:49:11 PM
Yup, the Aeries is right....but don't let him know, it'll go to his head. >.>

Looks gorgeous there Dalek, keep it up!
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 17, 2009, 05:19:27 AM
Yup, the Aeries is most definetly right. I'm still trying to figure out what I'm doing next and a friend of mine is nearly dead so I'm a bit lost at the mo...

And AA isn't my friend. It works for one day and "poof" it's gone again. I gave up reinstalling ATI and restarting my computer.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Billz on February 17, 2009, 05:26:26 AM
Yup, the Aeries is most definetly right. I'm still trying to figure out what I'm doing next and a friend of mine is nearly dead so I'm a bit lost at the mo...

And AA isn't my friend. It works for one day and "poof" it's gone again. I gave up reinstalling ATI and restarting my computer.

Urm, what?

Sorry to hear about your friend. Thats rough man.

On the AA, you're doing it wrong. You don't need to keep re-installing ATI (ATI blows chunks BTW) and restarting your computer. All you need to do is install the ATI card drivers, go into Catalyst Control Center and force all 3D applications to use the AA settings you define in Catalyst Control Center.

NVIDIA for life (http://i.pbase.com/o4/98/583898/1/64174001.gIW7Nt7s.headbang.gif)
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Aeries on February 17, 2009, 05:32:56 AM
NVIDIA for life

i'm going to cry now.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 17, 2009, 05:33:26 AM
All you need to do is install the ATI card drivers, go into Catalyst Control Center and force all 3D applications to use the AA settings you define in Catalyst Control Center.

O...k. Card drivers...do you have MSN? It would be a lot easier.

I've just found out, the Twelve Centuries is actually an Eternal Vigilance class so the Twelve Centuries is becoming the Magellan Melrow now.

Edit: Don't worry Aeries, we'll stand and fight and attack him with sticks :D.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 17, 2009, 06:58:19 AM
I know Jimmy may get on my tail for double posting, but this is important.

I am going to make a non-canon Glorious Heritage called "Vault of the Heavens" (also a name of an episode) in memory...
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Billz on February 17, 2009, 09:29:20 AM
All you need to do is install the ATI card drivers, go into Catalyst Control Center and force all 3D applications to use the AA settings you define in Catalyst Control Center.

O...k. Card drivers...do you have MSN? It would be a lot easier.

I've just found out, the Twelve Centuries is actually an Eternal Vigilance class so the Twelve Centuries is becoming the Magellan Melrow now.

Edit: Don't worry Aeries, we'll stand and fight and attack him with sticks :D.

Easier how? I've just told you what you need to do.

You can add my msn address if you like, littlebruv@hotmail.com, but the instructions would be basically the same.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 19, 2009, 10:13:56 AM
Well, I finally remembered to get some good piccies up. :D

Now heres a question. Do you think I should do all the ships with those glows? Or just leave Andromeda as a special?
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: KrrKs on February 19, 2009, 11:07:33 AM
I need glows! BTW, I think those look even better than in the series!
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 19, 2009, 11:22:28 AM
You need glows or it needs glows :D? It does have glows.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: KrrKs on February 19, 2009, 11:28:37 AM
Ooh, shiny. I meant the other heritage ships need those too IMO. And yes I have glows ... when I find those batteries
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 19, 2009, 01:04:12 PM
Ok, heres the Crimson Sunrise with new glows. Whaddya think?
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Shadowknight1 on February 19, 2009, 01:42:18 PM
Pretty!  Keep for all of them says I.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 19, 2009, 02:08:37 PM
Well, I'll see what the poll says. But I think that for the Pax Magellanic, I may not do it. Mainly because I just can't really imagine a suitable colour. That may apply to the Million Voices as well.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Furyofaseraph on February 19, 2009, 02:36:44 PM
I would do Red glows for the Golden Pax.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Aeries on February 19, 2009, 04:58:49 PM
Or gold... 'cause... ya' know... it's golden and all...  :lol:
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Billz on February 19, 2009, 05:57:54 PM
(http://blackmenvent.com/Zefram20Cochran20-20Sweet20Jesus.gif)

Textures on the Rommie still need a bit more tweaking but its looking alot better.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: El on February 19, 2009, 07:18:24 PM
Or gold... 'cause... ya' know... it's golden and all...  :lol:

Which wouldn't show up well against gold, lol.

Textures on the Rommie still need a bit more tweaking but its looking alot better.

Agreed, and the extruded sections Aeries mentioned still need smoothing, but this is looking better and better.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Aeries on February 19, 2009, 07:19:50 PM
Then make it Neon Pink! BRING ON THE FABULOUS! xD
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 20, 2009, 07:20:53 AM
Then make it Neon Pink! BRING ON THE FABULOUS! xD

Unfortunately, I have boundaries.

Textures on the Rommie still need a bit more tweaking but its looking alot better.

I have to ask: Which parts in particular?
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Billz on February 20, 2009, 08:49:28 AM
Then make it Neon Pink! BRING ON THE FABULOUS! xD

Unfortunately, I have boundaries.

Textures on the Rommie still need a bit more tweaking but its looking alot better.

I have to ask: Which parts in particular?

There are bits on that texture that look like they have faded or look like they were, to be honest, done in MSPaint.

Now, I don't know if those bits are meant to be there. If they are, then ignore this post. If not, I have marked the general areas with red circles and red dots.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 20, 2009, 08:59:54 AM
They're meant to be there. :D Those are the original patterns. If I didn't have them, the Andromeda hull would look bland.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Billz on February 20, 2009, 09:33:20 AM
Are you sure? Because they arn't on any screencaps of th ship from the show that I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 20, 2009, 09:51:29 AM
I mean mod original, not series. And even in the series, you could little indentations with patterns similar to that.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: El on February 20, 2009, 03:47:23 PM
Dalek's right. They are especially noticeable in Seasons 4 & 5 where the CG budget is bigger.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 21, 2009, 07:29:01 AM
Do you think I should have a go at the Magog Worldship?
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: KrrKs on February 21, 2009, 09:27:05 AM
Wouldn't that kill every BC install out there?
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 21, 2009, 09:30:16 AM
It all really depends how many polies there are. And at the end of Season 4, the Worldship despite having twenty worlds all connected around a sun didn't seem much bigger than a planet. I may aim for Starbase size...
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: KrrKs on February 21, 2009, 09:45:16 AM
Yeah, but I mean, there are all this Planets = Spheres and the sun, which all need an appropiate Policount to look spherish (sp?) from "battledistance", not to mention the Conections between the worlds. I think that would be somethink like "30k +" polys. definitly too hard for my pc.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 21, 2009, 09:58:17 AM
Well, I am a complete noob so we'll just see what happens :D.

Edit: Well...hehehe, I'm still figuring things out.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: KrrKs on February 21, 2009, 10:17:58 AM
If you really get it into BC, you could replace the Sun with a NanoFX Blinker - Sphere (like the Ori Warships Energycore in the last SG pack )

Edit: BTW. is that Milkshape? If so I'm even more impressed by the Andromeda!
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 21, 2009, 10:23:08 AM
Yup thats Milkshape. And thats version 2 of the Worldship. And a version 3 is coming up :P.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Jb06 on February 21, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
As for size it doesnt really matter that much. The max scale which we've been able to get in bc is pretty bloody big. As some people know that we've got a transwarp hub full scale & the borg unicomplex * they're huge, biggest ship/station in bc so far! I dont know how big this world ship is because i never really followed Andromeda, but im sure you can go bigger than a federation starbase. ;)

~Jb06
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 21, 2009, 11:31:43 AM
Try this for size.

(http://www.geocities.com/andromedafaq/silhouette2.gif)
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Jb06 on February 21, 2009, 12:59:26 PM
Dead easy then. Just look at the borg cube to that.... If 1 cube fits in 1 of the 29 conduits it just shows the sheer size that the transwarp conduit is.

~Jb06
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 21, 2009, 01:07:17 PM
I'm going to start shooting Milkshape. I can' teven assign a texture. Limey explained, but it no workies. :x Hopefully it'll work soon.

Edit: Heres version 4. And I managed to colour the sun. :D
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Shadowknight1 on February 21, 2009, 09:03:10 PM
I haven't seen enough to know how accurate that is, but it looks neat.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: Dalek on February 22, 2009, 06:13:17 AM
I don't have to shoot my Milkshape! It's amazing what you can find on the right mouse button :D. Of course, now you can see the some of the size problem. The planets need to be way smaller.
Title: Re: Glorious Heritage Ship Pack (from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant")
Post by: El on February 22, 2009, 06:42:06 AM
IIRC the sun on the Worldship was quite small, could have been the camera angle I suppose.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on February 22, 2009, 10:53:44 AM
Well, apparently, it is meant to be the size of a small solar system.  But the planets still need to be smaller.

Update: Heres the revised version and a picture of the actual MWS.

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/andromeda/images/5/5e/Magog_Worldship.jpg)
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: JB_Wonderboy on February 22, 2009, 11:20:26 AM
Nice work here. I really like that show.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: El on February 23, 2009, 07:58:13 AM
I wonder if you can use a normal BC sun instead of a NanoFX blinker, would probably be more realistic.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Billz on February 23, 2009, 09:29:11 AM
I wonder if you can use a normal BC sun instead of a NanoFX blinker, would probably be more realistic.

Probably would, but the poly count would go up a bit more.
Saving on polies should be your first prority if you want a model of this size to run with minimal lag. A ginat NanoFX2 blinker, textured to look like a sun, sounds more feasable to me.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on February 23, 2009, 11:56:32 AM
*pretends to understand what everyone has said* Blinker...can't those be hardpointed on?

Anyway, I've managed to get round to adding the pylons that linkthe planets together. It looks boxy I know but I'm still new to this game. I'll figure out how to curve them eventually.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: limey BSc. on February 23, 2009, 01:08:28 PM
*pretends to understand what everyone has said* Blinker...can't those be hardpointed on?

Anyway, I've managed to get round to adding the pylons that linkthe planets together. It looks boxy I know but I'm still new to this game. I'll figure out how to curve them eventually.

The best way is to use better software :arms:

Looks great so far by the way :D
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on February 23, 2009, 02:41:57 PM
Last update for the MWS.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Aeries on February 23, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
Daaaaannnggg, too bad Milkshape can't work with splines or i would've suggested you tried those for the curvey liney thingies...
interesting work so far. :]
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Shadowknight1 on February 23, 2009, 07:26:25 PM
Those crazy, crazy Magog.  They'll build anything I guess.  Neat model there Dalek.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on February 24, 2009, 11:33:23 AM
Well, hopefully, I might be getting 3DS Max 9 soon. *dances*

Heres some unidentified High Guard vessels! I know its small but that allows more room for me to make things a tinsy winsy bit more fun for me (My personal favourite is the second ship)!

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee77/NOMAD454/hgships0.gif
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Aeries on February 24, 2009, 03:43:27 PM
You're giving me ideas!
Stop it! xD
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on February 24, 2009, 03:52:25 PM
Hey, if you beat my rendition of the second ship on that link, I'll be your grandson. :P
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Kirk on February 24, 2009, 04:02:48 PM
Dalek, I would say remove the sun. It is possible to make a sun in the center using custom nanofx blinkers. Just make a new folder in /SpecialFX/GFX (name it DalekSun or whatever) and copy over blank.tga and blinker.tga. Then, open up blinker.tga and edit it however you like (also try experimenting with making it high resolution, unsure if this will affect usability ingame.) Now you have effectively cut down your poly count and maintained some realism. (Don't forget to add the blinker in the hp and specify size and color ;))
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on February 24, 2009, 04:06:31 PM
Right...um...translation..."jibber jabber jib jab, jabba wabba DalekSun". I'm kidding :P. Shouldn't be too hard...cross your fingers...

Wait, how will the blinkers work in milkshape? I haven't even begun thinking about making it BC compatible yet...
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Aeries on February 24, 2009, 04:07:27 PM
On that note, actually, how about utilizing the shuttle launch script to launch a plethora of magogg... however the hell that's spelled... swarmy shippy things? what was this amazingly-cheesy world ship thing equipped with for weaponry, anyways?
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Kirk on February 24, 2009, 04:08:07 PM
If you had Max, I could show you how to create NanoBlinker-like objects. ;)
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on February 24, 2009, 04:09:39 PM
Ohhh, here comes the cheese...

The Magog Worldship had point singularity weapons. Basically black hole bullets. Big, black hole bullets. They did a monkey load of damage to poor Andromeda...

As for the Magog swarm ships, they're relatively simple to model...

And no, I don't have Max so :P.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Kirk on February 24, 2009, 04:10:41 PM
Firing black hole "bullets" would be possible with GravityFX and Shuttle launch. Look at SG Pack v3's nukes for inspiration.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on February 24, 2009, 04:17:14 PM
Werrrrrllll, I'll tell ya laddie, these black hole bullets did no pulling or shoving. They just ripped through the hull. But its a really really really really really really really good idea. :D :D :D

Edit: What they did do though was make space sort of warp around them (so it looks all squishy).
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Billz on February 24, 2009, 04:38:48 PM
Well, hopefully, I might be getting 3DS Max 9 soon. *dances*

Heres some unidentified High Guard vessels! I know its small but that allows more room for me to make things a tinsy winsy bit more fun for me (My personal favourite is the second ship)!

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee77/NOMAD454/hgships0.gif

DO NOT GET THAT.
3DS Max 9 doesn't support the Bridge Commander version of nif. Only 3DS Max 3 supports the BC nif. If you get 9, it will be a waste of money. Get Max 3 if you can find it.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: limey BSc. on February 24, 2009, 04:46:21 PM
Get Max 3 if you can find it.

Which you can't. Anywhere. Not legally anyway.

While Max 9 doesn't work with the official exporter, the Niftools one does work sometimes. The Max 09 one hasn't failed for me yet. There's always other people that can export your stuff if yours doesn't work properly.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Aeries on February 24, 2009, 05:24:17 PM
Well, hopefully, I might be getting 3DS Max 9 soon. *dances*

Heres some unidentified High Guard vessels! I know its small but that allows more room for me to make things a tinsy winsy bit more fun for me (My personal favourite is the second ship)!

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee77/NOMAD454/hgships0.gif

DO NOT GET THAT.
3DS Max 9 doesn't support the Bridge Commander version of nif. Only 3DS Max 3 supports the BC nif. If you get 9, it will be a waste of money. Get Max 3 if you can find it.

*smack!*
it's still a sh*t load better than Milkshape! AND he'll be able to do and learn a hell of a lot more! ;)
edit: YAY! squishy! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Kirk on February 25, 2009, 05:10:34 AM
DO NOT GET THAT.
3DS Max 9 doesn't support the Bridge Commander version of nif. Only 3DS Max 3 supports the BC nif. If you get 9, it will be a waste of money. Get Max 3 if you can find it.

*smack!*
And one from me too! I've been able to successfully get models from Max 9 into BC. Just takes a little knowledge.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on March 03, 2009, 04:59:46 PM
Before I go:

Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: FarShot on March 03, 2009, 05:12:30 PM
Nice!  Can't wait!
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Aeries on March 03, 2009, 05:37:17 PM
pretty. About the HP, though... perhaps she could be a bit better balanced to the other BC ships? last time I played her, she was as maneuverable as dJ's valiant. >_>; which was a bit crazy if you ask me...
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 03, 2009, 06:16:01 PM
But accurate to the show, that ship could stop on a dime, flip over, then run full steam at the thing chasing her.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Aeries on March 03, 2009, 07:06:02 PM
But accurate to the show, that ship could stop on a dime, flip over, then run full steam at the thing chasing her.

Accurate to the show, maybe, but somehow it just doesn't seem to fit. It was just one of those things that occasionally drove me haywire. Now, if it maneuvered like a Sovereign, that I could live with a bit better. :P
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Shadowknight1 on March 03, 2009, 07:24:49 PM
The Enterprise isn't run by a sentient computer though, nor does it carry a bomb that can explode a star. :P
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Libussa on March 03, 2009, 10:38:34 PM
Awesome work there! As a huge fan of the show let me tell you, you are doing a great service to the show and all it's fans. I would like to contribute a few pictures as references to your pack (if you are going to include any of the other ship classes)

First up is the Siege Perilous Class (Wrath of Achilles and Balance of Judgement) :

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/andromeda/images/a/aa/Wrathofachilles.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/cbar18/549f5142.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/cbar18/109.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/cbar18/052.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/cbar18/Other/084.jpg)


( I know it's a bit small, but the only one I could find )

Next is the AF/A-29 Phoenix Slipfighter:

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/andromeda/images/0/09/Slipfighterformation.jpg)

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/andromeda/images/3/3c/Slipfighterintube.jpg)

RA-26 Shrike:

(The one in the Upper Right, best reference pic I could find)

(http://www.love-from-russia.be/RF42-RA26.jpg)

If I can find more I will try to post more or pm ya the links to the images.

(edited to add more Siege Perilous class pics)
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on March 04, 2009, 01:50:44 PM
Thanks for the Siege Perilous piccies, I could never find any decent images and its different shape makes it a good contrast between the High Guard ships that share designs similar to the Glorious Heritage class.

Edit: As for the hardpoint, it's already pretty accurate turny/flippy/moving wise. And the majority of those clips from my vid show a ship attacking something already pretty darn damaged from previous recording attempts.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: granyte on March 23, 2009, 01:49:34 PM
Guys this is absolutely awsome

and bytheway i think i can help ya for the ships especial the RA-26 Shrike(the pic is still hosted on his server lol) and the slip fighter (if you don't chose to use the one adrealy in bc) thoses models where made by a modeler who was working on a andromeda mod for sins of a solar empire and it happen that i'm also on that project and i can give them to ya

the RA-26 Shrike model is not total acurate but also the only one availible out there

i also have a very low poly count eternal vigilance class model availible
(http://www.love-from-russia.be/EV01.jpg)

but as you can see none of them have any textures

if ou need any kind of picture of any ship in the show i can get them so if you need any of these just give a signe
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on March 23, 2009, 02:03:27 PM
Thank you very much. Any model is helpful!
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: granyte on March 23, 2009, 02:52:35 PM
http://www.love-from-russia.be/Andromeda_ship.zip
here you go i'm to lazy to repack the models so they come wit some extra lol an xmc and a drone platform

it's the same for us since the modeler well vanished..... i'm trying to get my hand on any model i can but models of this show are pretty rare
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on March 23, 2009, 03:55:32 PM
Indeed. Do you know the name of this modeler?
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: granyte on March 23, 2009, 05:56:00 PM
he is using the user name Thoumsin

on that forum http://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/forum/443

that's all i know

i also got 2 almost clear shot of the RA-26 Shrike if you wan to update the model
and i got some very clear pic of the glowing blue patern on the andromeda (1900x1200)
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on March 24, 2009, 01:11:33 PM
Yes, pics plz :P.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: granyte on March 25, 2009, 09:24:52 AM
if you have an acount on that site there are many good pic of the ships in that thread


http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/2d-wips/21629-renewed-valor-andromeda-series.html


here goes the RA-26 Shrike
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a0d92c7ea9.jpg)

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/1cacf5392e.jpg)

and then the glowing blue pathern
(http://i33.piczo.com/view/n/2/c/x/f/q/q/8/b/q/9/img/i302877648_41161_4.jpg)

(http://i33.piczo.com/view/n/2/c/x/f/q/q/8/b/q/9/img/i302877649_59559_4.jpg)

(http://i33.piczo.com/view/n/2/c/x/f/q/q/8/b/q/9/img/i302877650_70922_4.jpg)

(http://i33.piczo.com/view/n/2/c/x/f/q/q/8/b/q/9/img/i302877653_88135_4.jpg)

(http://i33.piczo.com/view/n/2/c/x/f/q/q/8/b/q/9/img/i302877661_80223_4.jpg)


damnit the hosting site resized them look like i'll need to get them to ya some other way
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: JimmyB76 on March 26, 2009, 09:44:18 PM
guys - the PM system is your friend for back and forth information :P
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on April 19, 2009, 08:33:57 AM
With the recent arrival of 3d Max, I have redone the Magog Worldship. What do you think?
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: KrrKs on April 19, 2009, 09:11:18 AM
I don't remember clearly anymore, but weren't those Connections between the Planets all of the same radius?
Anyway, looks good so far! :)
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on April 19, 2009, 09:31:54 AM
Considering the angle we see on the MWS, I think it barely has an established shape. Like the Narada.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on April 19, 2009, 03:41:53 PM
Last pic for today: Cos the MWS with bumpy pylons was 70k worth of polies, I've cut back and made a 30k version.
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: granyte on April 20, 2009, 08:41:03 AM
if i remember right most of he planets were a little bigger but this one look really good wit some apropriate texture it will be awsome


and i found a better picture of the ships in the turning GIF it's on our forum http://andromedamod.freeforums.org/commonwealth-ship-t7.html
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Jb06 on April 20, 2009, 11:00:00 AM
Last pic for today: Cos the MWS with bumpy pylons was 70k worth of polies, I've cut back and made a 30k version.

lookin good, however 30k is probably gona be too high considering the size you want it to be. The planets don't have to be that smooth :P

~Jb06
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on April 20, 2009, 11:04:08 AM
So I "might" be able to preserve the bumpy pylons...we'll see...:)

And granyte, awesome pic. We have to find the original meshes! :D
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: granyte on July 07, 2009, 09:13:04 AM
i don't think we will have an answer any soon from the original designer but we might not have to find the original meshes cause i finished the alpha version of the andeg and it's availible for soase on our forum

if dalek contact me i'll send an editable version so you can work on the textures and making it compatible for bridge
(unless you wan to wait for the final version of the model)
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Raven_CWG on December 24, 2009, 12:05:53 AM
Hi everyone. I'm new here so I thought I'd start by hello.

I was pretty excited to hear that someone was in the process of creating an Andromeda ship pack for BC. I didn't get to see this series (except for a few episodes here and there) back when it originally aired, as it was on a station that I could not get at the time. The few episodes I did see really didn't impress me all that much back then as I didn't know the back story for the show, plus I had a hard time taking Kevin Sorbo seriously after previously seeing him in that ridiculous Hercules series, which as far as I am concerned is right up there with Power Ranges as one of the most pointless shows ever made. However, I recently got whole Andromeda series on DVD and have been watching it straight through from the beginning (I'm now half way though season 3), and I have to say I'm really enjoying it. One of the things I've kept thinking is that there are so many cool ships in this show, it?s a shame that someone hasn't built at least some of them for playing in BC...so I started looking around to see if someone had. I already had the Andromeda Ascendant available at http://bridgecommander.filefront.com, and I also found a (albeit not very accurate) mesh of a Nietzchian Leviathan Roused Class Attack Carrier created for the Starfleet Command game which I was able to convert for use in BC, but that was all I had ever previously seen. So as I said, I was very pleased to hear that someone was working on a whole pack of ship from this series; but it now appears that this thread is dead/inactive as the last post was made almost 6 months ago. So I was just wondering if there is any recent news about or updates for this project?
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: ACES_HIGH on December 24, 2009, 12:43:55 AM
since this is your first post, I'll be easy on you, It's considered rather impolite to ask an author for an update, Especially if you are bumping a thread that hasn't been posted on in a very long time.  When they're ready to post something, I'm sure they will. 
Title: Re: Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda Ascendant" Ship Pack
Post by: Dalek on December 24, 2009, 08:54:02 AM
Well, it's nice to know that someone is still interested in this pack but I'm afraid I must say that this project has sort of gone into a coma. I've had a lot to deal with (finishing off other projects which I've left on the backburner and reality stuff as well) and there's also a lot I still have to learn modding-wise (such as modelling, mapping and texturing) and I've only made a bit of progress in that respect. I would love to finish this pack off but maybe in a more "from scratch" method.