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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: Phoenix Bondi on March 03, 2009, 09:57:51 PM
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i for some reason, like the Strider class in legacy...BUT :shock: WAT ON EARTH where they thinking when they put it in ent era? my god are they like JJ's B****D son or somthing?? lol anywho i've been working on the mesh tonight and im not fully happy with the main hull so i might redo that if i can find another way, but anywho, here have a picture
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/strider.jpg)
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Go for it, I would love to see a strider class in BC.
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it's a great start. Atleast those legacy designs wont be wasted on a bad game afterall.
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heh didn't P81 make some of the legacy models :?:
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I didn't know the Oberth was as old as the NX... :?
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oberth? That's not an oberth. Put down the bong. :arms:
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The nacelles, look at them. :P
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The nacelles, look at them. :P
Glad I'm not the only one, haha.
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Maybe we can get it retrofitted into something from TMP?
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Maybe we can get it retrofitted into something from TMP?
Apparently that's already been done. The mesh is very nice though!
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I meant HP wise, the ship dates from before TOS, so it would have a low HP, so update it with current HPs, making it a scout or something along the lines of that. Give it slightly strong shields followed by slightly weaker weapons, maybe enough to defend it self from ships around its size or a little bigger but able to run away from fights?
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i for some reason, like the Strider class in legacy...BUT :shock: WAT ON EARTH where they thinking when they put it in ent era? my god are they like JJ's B****D son or somthing?? lol anywho i've been working on the mesh tonight and im not fully happy with the main hull so i might redo that if i can find another way, but anywho, here have a picture
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/strider.jpg)
Legacy burns. Take it away!
But, I like your rendition of the Strider. I'll be looking forward to the finished product.
I've you plan on 're-doing' anymore ships from Legacy (shudder!), I hope one of them will be a new model of this.
http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/file/NX_Fearless;59710
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i don't recall seeing that in legacy??!! lol a few minor updates to the mesh...i'll upload some pictures when i get back, thanks for the comments guys
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Sorry, I meant this one.
http://www.coolnfreepix.com/Star-Trek/legacy1_large.jpg
But that other mod I linked to was pretty damn close.
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I've never made an ent ship, suppose i could try...for a while i was thinking u might of ment the minuetman lol
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The nacelles, look at them. :P
The ship may be tos or pre tos but this one is being made as a tmp version.
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Nice model, Phoenix (cookie). Yea, the Strider really had to be redone. But I would make those windows on the saucer smaller. The stock model has also smaller windows...but if you like it this way, you can keep it of course ;) I also made a few changes for my model (http://legacy.filefront.com/screenshots/File/96505/6).
Talking about the design: It uses parts of TMP (Oberth: nacelle, Excesior: pylons, texturing) and ENT (texturing). And in Legacy it's available in the ENT era...typically Legacy...
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gdata I sent ya an email, did ya get it?
I'd really like to get your version too, but I think a thin saucer phaserbank (and/or tmp phaser pods) should be added to the saucer because it looks unarmed. Unless it's a freighter it should have some visable phasers and maybe a torpedo or 2 even if those details aren't in the original. You could consider the phaserbanks like on the suez or the denis baily concorde too if you think a full sized wraping phaserbank would be too much for it.
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gdata I sent ya an email, did ya get it?
I'd really like to get your version too, but I think a thin saucer phaserbank (and/or tmp phaser pods) should be added to the saucer because it looks unarmed. Unless it's a freighter it should have some visable phasers and maybe a torpedo or 2 even if those details aren't in the original. You could consider the phaserbanks like on the suez or the denis baily concorde too if you think a full sized wraping phaserbank would be too much for it.
The Strider is using Pulsephasers. But don't let us hi-jack Phoenix' thread...I replied to your email.
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i for some reason, like the Strider class in legacy...BUT :shock: WAT ON EARTH where they thinking when they put it in ent era? my god are they like JJ's B****D son or somthing??
No, thats called being released 6 months early lol.
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well gdata yours is pritty sexy
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Ahh. I didn;t realise a ship this old would be usung pulse weapons. Tehcnicly the NX era uses plasma pulses. All phasers in tmp and earlier are beam weapons.
i for some reason, like the Strider class in legacy...BUT :shock: WAT ON EARTH where they thinking when they put it in ent era? my god are they like JJ's B****D son or somthing??
No, thats called being released 6 months early lol.
it's called being a F***ed over armada 3 by crap-o-vision.
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Still though a TMP and TNG Versions of this should be released. lol.
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Still though a TMP and TNG Versions of this should be released. lol.
that would be cool :)
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Wat about a tos era veriant :D
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/tosstrider.jpg)
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Wat about a tos era veriant :D
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/tosstrider.jpg)
DO WANT!!!
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u like that then ???? lol :lol:
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the size window bays don't fit for tos though.
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the size window bays don't fit for tos though.
They not windows they cargo area's, wasn't happy with the mesh full stop so ive started it again, instead of using 3 shape for the main ship its self, i've impressed my self and done wat most modelers would of done and just got one shape :D - i think im finally getting somewhere :D
this mesh is 2wice as nice and much smoother, and hell, less polys and more detaled YAY ME :D lol will post pictures by end of night
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Nice TOS Version, just scratch the cargo bay doors, and where they are put phaser arrays, also make them a tad smaller.
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TOS style doesn't look good with the famous "Kirk's Sauna" bulb as seen on the rear saucer part on the Connie and Miranda TMP ships.
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Yer agreed no other tos ship had that
but that can be sorted easily enough, ok as i said i've been reworking on the new strider mesh tonight, i started at about 11:30 pm its now 6:32 am and i hope this looks good, hell i hope it's been worth my night :D
so here's at ya peeps
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/strider1.jpg)
ok this is one of the full ship
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/strider2.jpg)
cargo bay doors
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/strider3.jpg)
Detale on pylons and impulse housing, not shuttle bay will be below there
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/strider4.jpg)
front view showing off the torpedo launchers
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/strider5.jpg)
finally aft shot
So im happy with her so far, i'd say she's better quality than my oberth. but i'll leave that up to you guys to decide
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Oh, I'd say that looks very, very nice!
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Phoenix, thank you for giving up your night as the end result is certainly well worth it. Great work :D
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Beautiful. Such a well crafted ship. Here comes a cookie!
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look guys not to sound like a noob again :? but all these nice comments are really amazing and the cookies Wow even better? but im hungry how i cash in these badboys lol
no really guys thanks alot, over at my forums for the lagacy group im in it's kinda dead and makes me feel like im wasting my time, but over here u guys rule !! :lol:
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You know it! :D
Seriously though, BCC is the place to be, because Excalibur (OK, and STO too) will be the future of Trek gaming unless they make some revolving around the new movie.
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ok just throwing this out there coz it'll be texture time soon, anyone wanna map it (other wise i'll just do it my self, my worst part ouchie lol) and since i know stuff all, is there anyone willing to hp her for me??
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I would like to have a go at HP'ing this.
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Ur on bud, thanks alot
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I would like to have a go at HP'ing this.
Fine, then I got dibs on Data's version. We can put them both in BC.
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I'm glad some Legacy Ships are making their way over, some are great ships, some need work. This is one of those lost Era ships lol, but yeah. I am defiantly downloading this one.
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ok guys im having some trouble with the texturing, how would u guys go about making the aztek's and base colour for the ship im using d0d0d0 *thats the code* would u change that or is that ok?
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Thought u guys would like an update, here the TNG (latish) veriant of the strider, brought into action for the dominion war
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/tngstrider1.jpg)
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/tngstrider2.jpg)
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/tngstrider3.jpg)
I'm havin a hell of a time with the lower hull i just cant map the dang thing right and the textures at the bottom are all horrid and blurred,...any takers to help me map it properly??
any way back onto the ship....wat u think??
also question, how do i go about making phaser strips??
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haha very nice
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haha very nice
recognise the nacells from our king class from like YEARS ago we made together when u was teaching me to model the first time around before i gave up :D
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Its a good start.. as for phaser strips, why not model them in.
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how do i go about making phaser strips??
If you're patient enough, I think I'll write up a tutorial before I head to work today...
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Theres a tutorial on BCF somewhere.
EDIT: Found it (http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/file/Phaser_strip_tutorial;55648). I do that, but I round them off more at the end.
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The thread got a little off topic with some arguements over it's role in BC which there was no imput from the creator yet a bunch of people speaking as if it was theirs to speak of. So, I've cleaned the posts out. Lets let the author decide the capabilities of his ship, if he's made a decision.
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ok guys somthing between a light destroyer/crusier *dunno wats less* or a scout as she should be ??? any one??
anywho, since i coulnd't suss out how to texture her i gave up to think about it, and well here she is so far
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/stridertexture1.jpg)
As u can see, got the lines and the *cargo* bay ares done, also the fed red line...Opinions?
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/stridertexture2.jpg)
Just the bottom of the saucer
i really dont know much about texturing at all so if any one can give me some pointers pls do!!
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I'd make her a scout, quick on her feet, strong shields and weaker weapons, so she can fight back a bit but still be able to get away.
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I'd make her a scout, quick on her feet, strong shields and weaker weapons, so she can fight back a bit but still be able to get away.
see now Agree with the scout, BUT i'd say be more (STARWARS QUOTE TIME) be like a tie Intercepter - Fast and Deadly and Dangourous, and really weak shields so u can do hit and runs or just hope u can out run the damn thing thats firing at you lol
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Do you already have an aztec for her (or it?!)?
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no i dont and its bugging me, i need to find a good aztec or make one for her.... :x makes me angry mate
any who heres an update again for ya, didnt go to bed last night. played some hawx on xbox and went back to this
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/Strider/stridertexture3.jpg)
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I think you should move up a resolution for your textures.. what are these 512x512?
Anyway, I like the way it looks, and if you catch me on MSN today i will show you how to make some aztecs mate.
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Mm...I would look around for some good TMP aztek from the enterprise or excelsior to do that. Also Hawx is a good game. I've been hitting RE5 :P
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lol re5 rules finished that in 3 day's - 3 days before release :P
also my textures are 2048x2048 at present
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Marky D bro, missed u on msn i'll be around later today *sunday* hope to catch u as i really could do with ur advice and knowlage :p
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Here, this might help you creating an aztec: http://www.meshweaver.com/frames/tutorials/aztec.htm
Simply choose an 1:2 aspect ratio before applying the polar coordinates filter and you're going to get a nice result. This is also how I made the aztec for my Strider.
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ok after really taking a deep look at my model i found a few *MANY* faults that i really would not accept on my mesh, i wanted this to be my BEST mesh ever and there where lots of problems on it, and many vert's i didn't even need. COMPLETE waste of poly's. so i've started again and this time i've had a couple of angel's speaking in my ear.
Complete with 25 or more new skill's i have completely restarted the strider and personally feel this is the best one yet. probably could do better by the time i finish this one but at the moment i'm more than happy with this one, both of my savious are plsed with it so far too. now firstly i want to say a huge thank you to both Adonis and Marky D for all the time and trouble they've been through explaining things to me, in short 3d max modeling 101 lol. so with out my gabbling on for another 2 pages here is the new strider class (untextured and no smoothing groups as yet) i would like to add that as this is not a cannon ship i've added a few things and changed others. it's going to be a frigate NOT a scout as i think she should be more for attack than scouting, imagin a tmp defiant for example. also i've given her Aft torp's
Rear part of the Impulse housing: this i actually found patically hard till i broke it down in my head
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider1.jpg)
This is the rear Trop launchers: Now i know in legacy it don't have them, but its my model and it's not a cannon ship so :P.
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider2.jpg)
Just the basic look of the ship so far.
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider3.jpg)
Just incase anyone wants a wireframe
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider4.jpg)
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Looks fantastic
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Mesh is taking shape mate, look's pretty clean, and unified..
oh.. try this for the front of the impulse dome thing...
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Trying to upload here due to your msn issue 8)
**edit**
sorry jimmy his msn is now fixed, thanks for ur patience :)
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Hi guys, just an update. its me bday today and decided i wanted to get stuck into this and a bottle of JD. *im going out on sat before any one say why am i not partying*
Here is an update of the strider first off the fwd torp launchers
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider5.jpg)
and here is one of the bridge
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider6.jpg)
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Nice, this was always my favorite little ship.
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Looks good, slight mesh error around the bridge, torps look great.
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Looks wonderful! Can't wait to HP this little beauty.
And happy B'day. :D
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Happy B-day little dude!! :D Like the progress so far. :]
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Hm...imo those launchers don't fit. The parts connecting it with the saucer should be thinner and in a smaller angle. Maybe only the half of the current angle. Hm...that's hard to explain. Do you get what I mean? Otherwise I'll make a drawing.
Apart from that these renders look really good.
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i think i do, but i wanted it to look more tuff as i'm ditching the SCOUT crap and making her a frigate,
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ok guys heres an update for you, the MAIN mesh is finished now time for updates/detale shes holding steady at 6500 polys im going to go for max of 9k least then she'll work in bc and legacy :D hope u like her
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider7.jpg)
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider8.jpg)
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looks very nice, can't wait to see textures on her :D
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Good job, its really coming together 8)
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ok people, i think she's ready to be textured now, more or less...sent her to marky D for final say to see if i need to do more work on her...
anyway, now just so u guys can see the final product
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider9.jpg)
Note the detale on the impulse housing
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider10.jpg)
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Nice ship!
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Great work, was a little unsure of the design at first but it's turned out brilliant. Have a cookie.
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Looks great mate, been busy this weekend, so I will take a look at her at lunch time, but to be honest im sure its gonna be sweet, as ur meshing is getting to a very good standard now mate, so top notch single unified yummy meshyness :P
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So this ship doesn't have phasers then, lol?
Otherwise, its looking excellent.
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So this ship doesn't have phasers then, lol?
Otherwise, its looking excellent.
Modelled phasers ALWAYS look better. If the polycount can support modelled phasers, i'd suggest adding them.
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OK, guys keep ur knickers in your pants lol
he is making modelled phaser points, and their looking good, he should be posting soon ;) 8)
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ok guys i've added in the phasers now thank god but forgot 1 main thing the Sensor array (dips**t) so im currently working on that. had some problem's but i think limey's given me an idea. anyway update with phaser pic for ya
(http://www.chrisjonesgaming.net/phoenix/stridernew/strider11.jpg)
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Nice Phasers. =)
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Nice Phasers. =)
indeed!
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How do you build the ship in half?
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How do you build the ship in half?
start with any shape, mold half of it to what you want, slice the rest away and apply a mirror. i did it with a few models. its alot easier to keep things symmetrical that way.
anyhoo. nice ship! cant wait to see it when its done!
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How do you build the ship in half?
DAMN IT! lol same CyAn1d3 gave u the answer i was going to black mail u for some help on my NX-01 for legacy i was planning on doing :( now i have no bargining chips lol, Wiley now knowing u dont do that makes me 20x more impressed with ur work, pls add me to msn so we can chat killfactor2001@hotmail.com
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any one intrested in helping texture this baby as i want to work on some more mesh's i've got in my head? if not i'll do this next and do the mesh's later
Thanks