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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: Raven Night on March 09, 2009, 04:24:00 PM
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Ok, I have been working on a new scheme for designations of military ships...specifically the Feds I am working on. They are all part of the SFMC fleet, and as such should have military designations.
Here are my proposals for the meanings of current acronyms, and my new ones. Let me know what you think.
Possible Designation names for Star Trek
Starfleet
USS: United federation of planets Standard fleet Starship
NCC: New Commission Catalog
NX: Non-commissioned eXperimental
Civilian
SS: Standard Starship
Marine Corps
SMC: Starfleet Marine Corps
All Marine Corps vessels are marked with class, then designation in catalog
Example: CDN-23 SMC Infinity Combat fleet Dreadnought
Mainline Vessels
CDN: Dreadnought/Carrier
CBB: Battleship
CCX: Battlecruiser
CCA: Cruiser
CDX: Heavy Destroyer
CDD: Destroyer
CFF: Frigate
Fleet Vessels
CL: Patrol Ship
CY: Heavy shuttle/Drop Ship
CG: Fighter/Shuttle
Special Designations
YDDS: Space Dock Type A
YDDL: Space DOck Type 2
YVA: Starbase
YLV: Battlestation
F/A: Fighter/Attack craft
A/T: Assault/Transport craft
MAU: Mechanized Assault Unit
Using the proposed designations would allow me to use smaller numbers, since the registry list is different from the standard fleet, and would also set apart Marine Corps ships from the rest of the fleet. It is, of course, important to do so considering the mission of Starfleet compared with the Marine Corps. A distinction has to me made.
Any alternate suggestions are appreciated.
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I have a book where it is said that USS means United-Star-Ship and SS just Star-Ship
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I thought NCC stood for Naval Construction Code, NX for Naval Experimental, USS for United Star Service, and SS for Star Ship
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NCC wasn't that Naval Construction Contract? I dunno, ugh the little things like this drives me insane.
Update:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfleet_starship_registry#NCC
Good news serverandenforcer, we're both right lol it can be either.
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That marine ships should either use the standard registries with a different patch (Ie not the delta on the pin stripes) or perhaps UFMC patch. Though I wouldn't object to class specific registrey, but prefer the original method.
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Technically this in non-canon but a story teleplay for a possible season 5 episode of Enterprise would have established NCC as 'Naval Construction Contract'
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise#The_would-be_Season_5
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As to the definitions of NCC and USS it is fanon....there is actually no canon source that has established what either means. There is alot of conjecture and a few different meanings put out there in books and such...so I figured I could use some license. You guys are right about the conjectures, including the belief that USS means "United Star Ship" but it is just conjecture. Both designations meant nothing when they were created. They were just put that way to have some similarity with modern designations at the time, with a little creative license added to make them look better.
Now, if you guys like United Star Ship better I could use that, but I thought that sounded kind of silly.
In the case of USS, I thought the first letter could stand for United Federation of Planets, since quite often the first letter in designations denote the country of origin.
The second and third letters, both SS seemed like they should mean something more complicated than simply Star Ship...as that seemed a bit silly to me. So I thought the second letter could stand for "standard fleet", meaning this is a vessel in the standard or overall fleet registry.
The final letter would be the type of ship...in this case a starship.
So you prefer the old registry type Starforce? You mean the USS or the NCC?
Ill be more specific with the proposed designation for the Marine Corps flagship, the Infinity...
SMC Infinity (like USS Enterprise)
CDN-23 (like NCC 1701-E)
In that case, would you prefer USS Infinity, or NCC - 23, or both? I would be more willing to use USS, but I would be resistant to using NCC, being as the numbering designation would have to be 5 digits in the 70k to 80k range, and would give the ship the appearance of being part of Starfleet....which it is not. It is important to separate the two....Starfleets mission is peace, the SFMCs mission is war.
Personally I prefer a more "military" like designation, both in the registry and the title.
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Hey, ya know with the whole movie coming out, they might actually explain what those letters mean....
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The idea of a different numbering scheme is good, it separates normal Starfleet from the Marine corps and states clearly when a ship belongs to one or the other just by glancing at the registry. But after so many years almost everyone has accepted the "Naval Construction Contract" and "United StarShip" acronyms, so you should keep them.
Technically this in non-canon but a story teleplay for a possible season 5 episode of Enterprise would have established NCC as 'Naval Construction Contract'
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise#The_would-be_Season_5
Urgh, now I'm glad Enterprise was cancelled.
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According to the Great Bird Gene Roddenberry, the creators of the "NCC" prefix only had 1 "C". They stuck the extra C on for the hell of it.
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Yea, I had heard that. They thought that NCC sounded better than NC.
Keep in mind...current real world designations, at least for the United States go as follows:
USS: United States Ship
CURRENT US NAVY SHIP CLASSIFICATIONS
Designations currently in use or officially in effect are listed here, all others are no longer in use. The letter "N" when used as the last letter of a ship classification symbol denotes nuclear propulsion.
If you do not find the classification symbol you are looking for here it may be in the US Navy Inactive Classification Symbol file.
COMBATANT SHIP CATEGORY
Warship classification
Aircraft Carrier Type
All ships designed primarily for the purpose of conducting combat
operations by aircraft which engage in attacks against airborne,
surface, sub-surface and shore targets.
Conventional Take Off and Landing (CTOL) Aircraft Carriers
Multi-purpose Aircraft Carrier CV
Multi-purpose Aircraft Carrier CVN
(Nuclear-Propulsion)
Surface Combatant Type
Large, heavily armed, surface ships which are designed primarily to
engage enemy forces on the high seas.
Battleships
Battleship BB
Cruisers
Gun Cruiser CA
Guided Missile Cruiser CG
Guided Missile Cruiser CGN
(Nuclear-Propulsion)
Destroyers
Destroyers DD
Guided Missile Destroyer DDG
Frigates
Frigate FF
Guided Missile Frigate FFG
Radar Picket Frigate FFR
Frigate (Reserve Training) FFT
Submarine Type
All self-propelled submersible types regardless of whether
employed as combatant, auxiliary, or research and development
vehicles which have at least a residual combat capability.
Attack Submarines
Submarine SS
Submarine SSN
(Nuclear-Powered)
Ballistic Missile Submarines
Ballistic Missile Submarine SSBN
(Nuclear-Powered)
Other Combatant Classification
Patrol Combatant Type
Combatants whose mission may extend beyond coastal duties and
whose characteristics include adequate endurance and sea
keeping providing a capability for operations exceeding 48 hours
on the high seas without support.
Patrol Ships
Patrol Combatant PG
Amphibious Warfare Type Ships
All ships having organic capability for amphibious assault and
which have characteristics enabling long duration operations on the
high seas.
Amphibious Helicopter/Landing Craft Carriers
Amphibious Assault Ship (General Purpose) LHA
Amphibious Assault Ship (Multi-Purpose) LHD
Amphibious Transport Dock LPD
Amphibious Assault Ship (Helicopter) LPH
Landing Craft Carriers
Amphibious Cargo Ship LKA
Dock Landing Ship LSD
Medium Landing Ship LSM
Tank Landing Ship LST
Miscellaneous
Amphibious Command Ship LCC
Combat Logistics Type Ships
Ships which have the capability to provide underway replenishment
to fleet units.
Underway Replenishment
Ammunition Ship AE
Combat Store Ship AFS
Oiler AO
Fast Combat Support Ship AOE
Replenishment Oiler AOR
Mine Warfare Type Ships
All ships whose primary function is mine warfare on the high seas.
Minesweepers
Minesweeper - Ocean MSO
Mine Countermeasures Ships
Mine Countermeasures Ship MCM
Mine Countermeasures Support Ship MCS
Minehunter, Coastal MHC
Coastal Defense Ships
All ships whose primary function is coastal patrol and interdiction.
Special Warfare
Patrol, Coastal PC
Auxiliary classification
Mobile Logistics Type Ships
Ships which have the capability to provide direct material support to
other deployed units operating far from home base.
Material Support
Destroyer Tender AD
Repair Ship AR
Submarine Tender AS
Support Type Ships
A grouping of ships designed to operate in the open ocean in a
variety of sea states to provide general support to either combatant
forces or shore based establishments. (Includes smaller auxiliaries
which by the nature of their duties, leave inshore waters).
Fleet Support
Salvage Ship ARS
Submarine Rescue Ship ASR
Auxiliary Ocean Tug ATA
Fleet Ocean Tug ATF
Salvage and Rescue Ship ATS
Other Auxiliaries
Auxiliary Crane Ship ACS
Auxiliary General AG
Deep Submergence Support Ship AGDS
Environmental Research Ship AGER
Miscellaneous Command Ship AGF
Missile Range Instrumentation Ship AGM
Oceanographic Research Ship AGOR
Ocean Surveillance Ship AGOS
Surveying Ship AGS
Auxiliary Research Submarine AGSS
Hospital Ship AH
Cargo Ship AK
Vehicle Cargo Ship AKR
Gasoline Tanker AOG
Transport Oiler AOT
Transport AP
High Speed Transport APD
Cable Repair Ship ARC
Aviation Logistics Support Ship AVB
Auxiliary Aircraft Landing Training Ship AVT
US NAVY SERVICE CRAFT CLASSIFICATIONS
Designations currently in use or officially in effect are listed here, all others are no longer in use. The letter "N" when used as the last letter of a service craft classification symbol indicates a non-self-propelled (n-s-p) version of a similar self-propelled (s-p) service craft.
If you do not find the classification symbol you are looking for here it may be in the US Navy Inactive Classification Symbol file.
SUPPORT CRAFT CATEGORY
Support Craft Classification
Service Type Craft
A grouping of navy-subordinated craft (including non-self-propelled)
designed to provide general support to either combatant forces or
shore-based establishments.
Dry Docks (Non-self-propelled)
Large Auxiliary Floating Dry Dock AFDB
Small Auxiliary Floating Dry Dock AFDL
Medium Auxiliary Floating Dry Dock AFDM
Auxiliary Repair Dry Dock ARD
Medium Auxiliary Repair Dry Dock ARDM
Yard Floating Dry Dock YFD
Tugs (Self-propelled)
Large Harbor Tug YTB
Small Harbor Tug YTL
Medium Harbor Tug YTM
Tankers (Self-propelled)
Fuel Oil Barge YO
Gasoline Barge YOG
Water Barge YW
Lighters and Barges
Self-propelled
Covered Lighter YF
Refrigerated Cover Lighter YFR
Harbor Utility Craft YFU
Garbage Lighter YG
Non-self-propelled
Open Lighter YC
Car Float YCF
Aircraft Transportation Lighter YCV
Covered Lighter YFN
Large Covered Lighter YFNB
Lighter (Special purpose) YFNX
Refrigerated Covered Lighter YFRN
Range Tender YFRT
Garbage Lighter YGN
Gasoline Barge YOGN
Fuel Oil Barge YON
Oil Storage Barge YOS
Sludge Removal Barge YSR
Water Barge YWN
Other Craft
Self-propelled
Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle DSRV
Deep Submergence Vehicle DSV
Submersible Research Vehicle NR
Ferry Boat or Launch YFB
Dredge YM
Patrol Craft, Training YP
Seaplane Wrecking Derrick YSD
Torpedo Trials Craft YTT
Non-self-propelled
Barracks Craft APL
Floating Crane YD
Diving Tender YDT
Dry Dock Companion Craft YFND
Floating Power Barge YFP
Salvage Lift Craft YLC
Dredge YMN
Gate Craft YNG
Floating Pile Driver YPD
Floating Workshop YR
Repair and Berthing Barge YRB
Repair, Berthing and Messing Barge YRBM
Floating Dry Dock Workshop (Hull) YRDH
Floating Dry Dock Workshop (Machine) YRDM
Radiological Repair Barge YRR
Salvage Craft Tender YRST
Unclassified Miscellaneous
Unclassified Miscellaneous Unit IX
Submersible Craft X
USS Constitution
Note: The USS Constitution formerly IX 21 was reclassified
to none, effective September 1, 1975 as per
SECNAVNOTE 5030 dated September 2, 1975.
So you can see the direction I intended to go in...all Starfleet ships have either NCC or NX, but I wanted, since they are military, to instead have military designations, IE class listed before the registration number.
I could, of course, leave the USS and NCC for Starfleet alone so people will find it less disruptive, and just concentrate on military designations.
The codes I chose are similar to the old SFB codes for ships.
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A side note...I have never found the right font. Can someone direct me to the proper Starleet font for registries?