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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: CyAn1d3 on April 07, 2009, 04:19:18 AM
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i decided to dig up my copy of max and knock the rust off my modeling skills, i been doing sketches of this for a bit and now i finally have the time to model it.
obviously its a kitbashed sovvy, but i dont plan on it looking anything like one when im through.
im gonna try to scale it to just a little bit smaller than a century class.
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal-under.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal-side.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal-overrear.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal-front.jpg)
im open to suggestions!
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Not a bad concept, though I'd probably suggest the ventral nacelles sit a little forward of the dorsal ones, just to give it a more fluid look (Right now it throws off the rest of the ships design), perhaps slightly smaller too. Aside from that, would you be able to post your sketches? Would help alot more with suggestions. I can see several parts that aren't properly welded. As I said, the sketches would probably help out with feedback. ;)
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whenever i get my hands on a scanner ill post them, all i have right now is a low quality digital camera and the pictures of my sketches it takes dont turn out too pretty. im prolly gonna do a schematic on paint or something so i have a better reference in max.
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Nice, though i'd add a little variation on the saucer, maybe cut a shape into it and reposition the yacht area to give it distinction.
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He did say he wasn't planning on it being much (if anything) like the sovvie when it's completed. ;)
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well i decided to do away with the "yacht" under the saucer. i might use the excess space for a quantum cannon, but as of now shes got 12 forward torp tubes, and im planning on placing 8 or 10 on the aft, im thinkin 6 on the spine and 4 under.
as for the saucer, im thinking of placing a few light phaser strips around more toward the outer edge, both dorsal and ventral.
i took your advice and moved the ventral nacelles forward, and it looks alot better, dont know what much to do with the deflector array, i know i want to keep it a circular shape.
heres the new updates:
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal1.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal2.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal3.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal4.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal5.jpg)
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OH! im gonna need someone to hardpoint and texture her when shes finished so if anyone wants to volunteer lemme know!
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Not a bad concept, though I'd probably suggest the ventral nacelles sit a little forward of the dorsal ones,
Which is a no no on ST ships.
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im pondering a diffrent style of nacelles. i had originally planned on ones that resemble the century class nacelles
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Interesting start; there's quite a few smoothing issues to sort out though and what appears to be some verts that're screaming to be welded [particularly around the deflector housing]... interesting start though. Let's see where this goes...
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Not to be the forum meanie, but it looks like a sovvie with four necelles and some "bits" put on it... not to put a dampaner on things mate, but I think you should go with your design from your sketches 100% bin the kitbashes, no matter what the simularity... go from the beginning 8)
Good luck :)
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well, give it some time. like i said, im tryn to knock some dust off the skills, but that dont mean that im gonna just release something half assed and call it new, but that dont mean itll be perfect the first time around. i promise, that by the time im done, you wont even recognize the fact that i started out on a totally diffrent model...... well except the impulse engines.... i planned on keeping those..., im aiming high on this one, and i aims to please ;)
this isnt the only ship i plan to do... i have quite a few in the sketches. everyone starts somewhere. :)
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everyone starts somewhere. :)
Indeed. It's a lot better than what I first started off with! xD
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heres some updates. im pretty set on how the dorsal section of the saucer is, of course theyll be a few minor changes, the hull needs some detailing, but somethings not sitting right with me tho.. i cant quite put my finger on it... anyhoo, heres the updated pics for all to enjoy!
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal9.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal13.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal12.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal10.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenalcomparison.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenalcomparison2.jpg)
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Interesting design. ^^
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Ah, see, now, in the beginning I was with the guys who thought this looked like a Sovereign with some bits attached, but now it's really starting to look like a separate design (same family, but not just a Sovereign with attachments an more). Looking very nice =D
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:D .....should see her now... she gets more and more beautiful everyday. gon b a few days before i post another update. shes almost done, but not quite....
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Can't wait to see it. :P But that's too long of a wait.
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anyone considering texturing her for me?
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I would have to say, that everyone will say no mate..
lets see how you go it alone.
is it mapped? is it unified? :?
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not yet, shes still somewhat in parts. the models not quite done yet. the saucer section is, but theres still some detailing to do on the main hull and ive decided to completely redo the nacelles.
id love to do the textures... but i dont have a copy of a good program to do it in.
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heres an update for yall with the new nacelles. enjoy!
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal18.jpg)
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ur right about it looking different mate, 8)
think you need to do ur smoothing groups and check the mesh for overlapping verts etc.
Nice design
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i really start liking this design ;)
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As already stated, get them verts and smoothing issues sorted and you're golden. :] Nice work so far.
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Nice, now you have to do two versions. A Twin Nacelle and the original planned four Nacelle.
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Nice, now you have to do two versions. A Twin Nacelle and the original planned four Nacelle.
honestly, that thought had crossed my mind.
but heres the updates to drool over with the new hull..... i felt like re doing it... it didnt sit completely with me.
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal19.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal20.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal21.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal22.jpg)
yes i see the seam in the saucer.. theres a few like that and their getting taken care of in the final detailing, as well as a few other nit picks.
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So how many tubes are you planning to put on it? Since it's an Arsenal Class it's going to be armed to the teeth I presume. Is anything special going to be on the front of the ships teeth? (Those two protruding parts on the saucer)
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ok, so far on the front theres 4 tubes on the saucer (just above the "teeth") and 4 just above the deflector.
NOW, i am stuck in the decision to put the remaining 4 either at the front of the saucer at the tip of the "teeth", under the deflector, or at the front of the bridge.
as for the aft section, (going to) 2 under the shuttlebay, 2 at the bottom of the hull, and 4 up the spine. which would make 12f/8a
i dont want to go completely insane on the torpedo tubes, tho i think the concept of having 14 fore and 12 aft would be appropriate without going COMPLETELY overboard.
theres also 6 phaser arrays on the saucer alone, 4 medium, 2 heavy, and in between the "teeth" will be something like the borg cutting array that the armored voyager has.
maybe the remaining tubes i have yet to place, will be fore and aft quantum turrets since this baby will be packn phase torps.
im open to anything else, other than the few little things that need to be done shes pretty much ready for texturing
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Its not the number of tubes that count but how many torpedoes you plan to launch per tube and reload time and you have Quantum turrets :shock: That is scary :lol:
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idk jack bout hardpointing, but i think something like 2 or 3 torps per 20 - 30 sec reload, or something like that. i want this thing to be a beast, but not ridiculously insanely over powered.
think of the torps a war soverign can unload plus a bag of chips.
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ok, just one quick thing before i get started with the textures, i wanna make sure i do this right
note that im working in max 9 32bit. sp2.
1. make sure EVERYTHINGS pristine with the model
2. do a uvw wrap on the model, then unwrap and export ( to where tho? is the .uvw map openable in photoshop? )
3. figure out what goes where and get to painting textures.
4. apply said made textures.
am i on the right page here? cuz this is the FIRST time ive done ANY kind of texturing whatsoever... ( i can hear the laughing now ) ive read ALL the tutorials and i ve got the jist of it, but im not 100%, so im going to b askin questions.
i have my old textbooks from school ( Inside 3ds MAX, and 3ds MAX fundamentals )
id know this, but i had to drop out of school... motorcycle accident and frozen student loans, nuff said on that subject.
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detailings DONE. here she is lookin all nice and perrrty. :) now on to my nightmare of uvw mapping....
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal23.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal27.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal25.jpg)
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Oh wow! Many improvements over the previous. Looks like you got your smoothing groups in order. The only complaint I have is that it isn't high enough poly for me. Still looks too boxy in places.
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Oh wow! Many improvements over the previous. Looks like you got your smoothing groups in order. The only complaint I have is that it isn't high enough poly for me. Still looks too boxy in places.
Agreed, although a nice model and design mate, it looks a little sharp on the poly count..
note that im working in max 9 32bit. sp2.
1. make sure EVERYTHINGS pristine with the model
2. do a uvw wrap on the model, then unwrap and export ( to where tho? is the .uvw map openable in photoshop? )
3. figure out what goes where and get to painting textures.
4. apply said made textures.
In answer to ur questions, :-
1. Yes, ensure the model is unified and the mesh is clean, run the STL Checker to show obvious mesh errors you may have missed
2. Yes UVW Unwrap the mesh, just ensure ur smoothing roups are in order first. with max 9, you have a uvw map exporter.
3. Just draw them
4. you dont need to apply them as they should already be done on mapping.
good luck
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Oh wow! Many improvements over the previous. Looks like you got your smoothing groups in order. The only complaint I have is that it isn't high enough poly for me. Still looks too boxy in places.
Oh, that doesn't mean that I won't download though. :D
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thanks! unfortunately ive hit another road block and am forced to put this on hold for a few days, i have to move out in 5 days. ill get back to it as soon as i have the time
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okle pokles, got some things rollin in the time ive had lately. quick question tho, what am i supposed to do with the EMPTY space in the uv map? is there a certain color its supposed to be so it wont show on the model, or am i supposed to stretch it and fit it so the "unused" space is not visible?
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No you can leave that colour whatever you like... I normally just delete it in photoshop once I add the map as a layer..
But as a general rule of thumb, try to use as much of the free space as possible, I think Adonis had a good ref to his uvw maps on the apollo thread :)
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alrighty, is there a way to expand the size of the map renderer? or is that at a set in stone type of deal? when i go to render the uvw map i only have enough space to do 1/4 of the saucer. its not stopping anything, its just annoying that i can only do that much of the map at a shot.
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You can render to whatever size you like.. i.e 512 x 512 or 2048 x 2048, but your mapping is all down to how you actually apply your uvw mapping, its a slow process, but if you need more input i will need to see the UVW sheet mate. 8)
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ok, so i got pretty much all the saucer mapped and textured, but now im stuck a the hull, when i do the cylinder map, it turns out looking nothing like it should, when i do the map in xyz to uvw, it looks PERFECT, but it wont fit in the renderer window, when i try to scale it down so it would fit, everything goes haywire. anyone know what could be causing this?
does this mean my mesh is too big and i gotta scale it down?
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have you tried moving the cylinder, when mapping it as a cylindrical map? Sometimes it doesn't know how to map it automatically and then you can align a cylinder to your Mesh (by scaling, rotating and moving) and it will look better.
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alrighty, ill give that a shot. i really want to get this done and move on to other things.
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whew, well this has been an interesting week, figured id drop in and let yall know how shes doin, i been slowly workin on the textures, and theyr coming along nicely, surprisingly once i figured it out, its all gravy, got no pics as of yet, ran into a few kinks in the mesh that went unnoticed, and theyr being ironed out, but hopefully ill have SOMETHING to present by next friday. i have to walk down to a library to get internet access nowadays. maybe by the end of the month shell b ready for hardpointing...... hopefully. :D
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oooookk. so its been ages since ive posted any updates, sry folks, been kinda busy trying to get in the army. so i havnt had much time to work on her, but she will get done.
heres a lil flavor for yall, its not up to date as i have yet to take pics of the work ive been doing, prolly as soon as i get done putting the windows and details on the saucer section ill get up to date pics up. but its not that far off.
hope ya like!
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal29.jpg)
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yep, definately a warship. ;)
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burned the late night oil last night and got more stuff done, all thats left is the ventral nacelles, the phaser strips (that i have yet to replace) and the detailing. but heres more pics enjoy!
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal30.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal31.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal33.jpg)
(those escape pods are gonna get rescaled.)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenal32.jpg)
cookies and suggestions are welcome!
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The engines look better, from previous pics they looked massive.
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that would be because i was rendering the pics in the user view, not the perspective. i didnt catch that till last night.
derp.
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Love the nacelles.
Remember somebody else was doing a Sovvy like this with the nacelles, but due to the comments he stopped or something.
Like it, Go on like this!
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Looking good mate, shuttle bay looks a little TOS mind.. 8)
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:D well im grateful for all the feedback guys.
glad its being accepted by everyone, tell the truth i was a bit sketchy myself about it.
but its came out better than i had hoped for.
shes almost done, little bit of detailing and polishing needs to be done, doing its not the problem, its finding the time.
im gonna shoot for the end of next week, but no promises. i have alot on my plate right now with training, paperwork, and keeping house in order. im still figuring i have a month or two before im off to basic training, so she should be done well before that, heck if im lucky ill have one of my other 3 started by then and Arsenal out the door. so look for a new post from me by next week with the schematics up for the other 3. i might just take a vote on which one to start on.
thanks guys!
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TOMORROW TOMORROW TOMORROW!!! i WILL have the FINAL pics up, and the end result to enjoy!!
sorry it took soo damn long guys but i hope the end result will make the wait worth it!!!
soooo.... whos volunteering for hardpointing?
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ok guys hee she is, i should have the mesh and all up on bc files later today. i understand that some will feel that this is not 100% done, and i COMPLETELY agree, however with everything going on right now i just cant find the time to get it to where id feel shes done. so if ANYONE wants to tweak the textures, mesh etc. be my guest, as long as the name stays the same and i get credit for the original design.
also, re-textures and refits are welcome, just let me know before hand.
there are some things texture wise that i simply couldnt get rid of, i.e. the black box under the shuttle bay, and the white squares on the front of the ventral nacelle bussards.
i hope that someone will give her the tlc she needs to be in full glory.
as for the other 3 ships that i have in mind, i plan to start them as soon as i get everything settled with the army.
im gonna try to get the schematics up for them sometime this week so i can take a vote from everyone and get them started.
Thanks for the input and everything that yall have taught me over the months, i think ive learned more here in these forums than i could have ever learned in some classroom (not that im dissing classes or ppl in school for this type of stuff, im just not a classroom type of guy).
whoever wants to do the hardpointing, please PM me so i can give you the low down as to what i had intended to have.
remember, shes the arsenal, and id like her to live up to her namesake.
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/asenalfinal1.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/asenalfinal2.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/asenalfinal3.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/Cyanide1700/arsenalfinal4.jpg)
LONG LIVE THE ARSENAL!!!
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FOR THOSE WHO WANT THIS IN .OBJ FORMAT OR ANY OTHER ACCESSIBLE FORMAT, PLEASE PM ME AS TO HOW YOU WANT TO RECEIVE THE FILE.
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typing with the caps lock on doesnt make you louder :P
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lol, well i figured it was something important. :D
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typing with the caps lock on doesnt make you louder :P
It doesn't? Awe man... wish somebody woulda' told me that sooner. :(
Decent work, dude. Great first release. :]
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:D im happeh. not satisfied. but happeh
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could anyone planning on doing anything with the arsenal please post in here?
just curious.