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Recreational Forums => Trek Discussion => Topic started by: undedavenger on October 23, 2009, 09:09:13 PM
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I'm back to annoy everyone with more designs. I used Fabrica De Herois for these, I'll do the traditional ST: the Magazine layouts when I find the right thing. What do you think?
First is my (of course) blue scheme, 2nd is a next-gen scheme, 3rd is a TOS-style throwback, and last is an alternate/Starfleet intelligence variant.
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I like them. The very bottom black one best. I always hated how Trek hops uniforms personally, it just does not happen in military services, the us army changed uniforms maybe twice in 39 years, not counting the Kevlar helmet from the pot helmet, the navy pretty much has stayed exactly the same since world war 2, and In trek, you have red jacket uniforms lasting 80 years and TNG spandex lasting from about in flashbacks, when picard told beverly jack cruisher was dead,( since we saw jack in red jacket in hologram to wesley in "family", the red jacket to spandex change happened in between) so spandex lasted roughly maybe 16-17 years..and yet..the uniforms AFTER that somehow suggest starfleet went TAILOR crazy lol and had people being fashion freaks. LOL
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Actually I like to think they never actually phased out the late TNG uniform, if you watch carefully, they can actually be seen as late as season 6 of DS9. I like to think of the FC uniforms and Voyager uniforms as more like the Air Forces ABU or the Navy's working blues, which do change rather frequently. These uniforms would be worn on less formal occasions, while the TNG uniform would be worn on more formal occasions not formal enough for the dress uniform. Of course in the modern military, the prefered uniform is determined by the base commander or ship's captain, which explains why the crew of the Enterprise continued to where the TNG "Garrison uniform" while Voyager and DS9 wore the Jumpsuit. Later of course the Voyager jumpsuit was replaced by the FC jumpsuit, which because of it's darker colors and thicker fabric, might have been better with the looming war against the dominion. Maybe the 2350s Jumpsuit was the equivalant of that uniform for the previous era. We have seen some uniforms go in and out of style in the modern military too, take the Navy's Khaki Dress Uniform for example, that is only just being reintroduced after not being issued since WWII.
I don't know about your uniform designs, Undead, I like the color pattern but they're just too tight, they look like they belong on the "Rescue Heroes" or something like that. :P Try loosening them up a bit.
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The truth was the lack of budget to make fresh uniforms for the "phasing out", by the time of nemesis, they had gone 100% grey shoulder uniform. The bottom line is, its stupid. Really stupid. Now dont get me wrong, obviously i am a lover of Trek, but its not my favorite sci fi. it goes for me- 1.) Dr who 2) babylon 5 (100 consistency there folks) 3.) the reimagined Galactica 4. Star trek. Part of why star trek is not no 1-3 is the above mentioned shows have more sense and consistency. Hell, aside from the fact it was re-imagined, Galactica NEVER changed uniforms- and on DR who the Time lords have changed their robes maybe once, but not even that really, In "sounds of drums"in a flashback of Gallifrey, they even made some sense of the alternate time lord robes from the "war games" by showing a 8 year old Master in those robes. Do uniforms make or break a show for me? actually- yes. Because Since the 1960's Trek has shown the Federation to be a unrealstic and foolish organisation- the Klingons are more sensible than starfleet- i would not want to live in this silly world they show humans living in- at all. I would love to captain a starship, but not be a citizen. It just feels fake, they focus to much on the starship starfleet life nd make regular people have crappy stupid fashion sense. Yes-this does matter- it effects my :"overall" respect for a series- its not nit picking- babylon 5 had a fully realised and wonderful enviroment to back and support its cool ships and characters- like star wars did (star wars would be No 2 but it isnt sci fi- its sci fantasy so seperate category)Star trek has enough coolness for me to enjoy it, but i enjoy it the way one does say, watching a porno-ok that sounds wierd- but when i watch a porno, i accept that the girls are the focus and to hell with the sets, extras, bad acting, and cheesy music- i accept its par for the course to watch one. That to me has become unfortunetly, up until JJs trek- how i see trek. the enviroment absolutely sucks- but the characters and ships are enough to entertain me. JJ's trek had more detail- felt "real" like there was a life going on around them. That is part of what makes me embrace the JJ verse more than the TOS.
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Actually I like to think they never actually phased out the late TNG uniform, if you watch carefully, they can actually be seen as late as season 6 of DS9. I like to think of the FC uniforms and Voyager uniforms as more like the Air Forces ABU or the Navy's working blues, which do change rather frequently. These uniforms would be worn on less formal occasions, while the TNG uniform would be worn on more formal occasions not formal enough for the dress uniform. Of course in the modern military, the prefered uniform is determined by the base commander or ship's captain, which explains why the crew of the Enterprise continued to where the TNG "Garrison uniform" while Voyager and DS9 wore the Jumpsuit. Later of course the Voyager jumpsuit was replaced by the FC jumpsuit, which because of it's darker colors and thicker fabric, might have been better with the looming war against the dominion. Maybe the 2350s Jumpsuit was the equivalant of that uniform for the previous era. We have seen some uniforms go in and out of style in the modern military too, take the Navy's Khaki Dress Uniform for example, that is only just being reintroduced after not being issued since WWII.
I don't know about your uniform designs, Undead, I like the color pattern but they're just too tight, they look like they belong on the "Rescue Heroes" or something like that. :P Try loosening them up a bit.
Oi... They were made with a superhero creation site. Ignore the tightness, please. I got the same criticism the last time i posted this kind of stuff. Forget the tightness, what about the LOOK? lol
I agree with a lot of your thoughts, Daystar. however, the US military DOES change uniforms pretty often, they're just not substantive changes. And do remember, the TNG era shows cover over 20 years of time.Perhaps after years of wearing the same militaristic red uniform, they had a little trouble coming up with a functional, yet official look for a new uniform. Bureaucracies are like that. Also, think of the shift in the Federation's focus over that time. The Sovereign, Defiant, etc are far more aggressive tactical designs than the Galaxy or Ambassador. The uniforms changed over time back to a more militant look as well. I personally hated the TNG uniforms, they looked really ridiculous, and who wears clothing daily that zips in the back?
As for your choices, I'm not going to argue with that, but STAR WARS? Prequel design should not look MORE advanced than the future it precedes! SW is the very picture of inconsistency. B5 was great, but maybe they focused on the little continuity things too much and neglected other areas, explaining why a lot of people on the street have no clue what B5 is. Galactica is okay, just not my cup of tea. I agree though, that Trek has long neglected earth. What have we seen? The Starfleet Academy and headquarters? The President's office in Paris? The Sisko restaurant in New Orleans? In this day and age of CG background work, we need to see what San Francisco and other cities look like, instead of just being a drab and generic background painting. As for Dr. Who, just too British for me. don;t take that the wrong way, but it has been well established that Americans and British have very different senses of humor and aesthetics. It just seems too weird to me.
Star Trek in its better days could embarrass these other franchises. It was poor management that took them off the top of the heap.
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Actually star wars is NOT inconsistent, It has a different reasoning altogether for why things change..REGRESSION. Star wars is NOT science fiction, its fantasy. I can justify technological in consistencies VERY easily in star wars. The JEDI. It is incredibly logical that in a universe whos constant is that it is in a state of war a LOT., Societies who advance in some areas that would be perceived as a threat, would be "confiscated" by an order like The Jedi, even if done coversley, oh yes..it would. Star Wars as a universe has to be examined on a completely different measurement system than Trek. If the Jedi saw one race technologically achieving certain things that would by their foresight, be plausible as a tool to unbalance the status quo, your damned certain tehy would send operatives to eliminate that threat. Thus you have "Up and Down :"" technology across the star wars universe (such as hidden world Kamino in AOTC)
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and I thought MINE were funky (i based my designs on the uncomfortable next G jumpsuits before I changed them). I can see these on a JJanimated, though.
I suggest you get someone to doodle a "loose" version of these for a more realistic look. besides, these get any tighter, it's gonna turn into squick.
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Dude, seriously.
Forget the Tightness! A byproduct of the creation program! ARGH! I use it to get general ideas before spending a lot of time on the actual artwork. Please let it go!
Now, back to the original question: Which color setup works? The blues? The TNG colors? A return to the classic colors? The black one is just a variant, and WILL not be the final choice.
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actually, I like the setup allready. the top one comes across as a TMP style to me.
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wanted to show you something i did this in about 10 minutes, but I simply drew over the top of the STM images hosted on the interweb, its not shaded nor stylish but it gets the right shape and form for the uniform
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Not bad candle. where u been hiding lately?
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not bad, kinda looks like the Ground Combat uniform.
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im working now, landed a nice cushy web design/webmaster job for my mothers union takes alot of my time, in my free time i spend it with Liz.
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wanted to show you something i did this in about 10 minutes, but I simply drew over the top of the STM images hosted on the interweb, its not shaded nor stylish but it gets the right shape and form for the uniform
Candle, let's review:
1. Clothes are tight because of limitations of the program. DROP IT, PLEASE.
2. READ post 1. I will put up a refined version on the STM template when I find the one that works best. If you read my previous uniform post, you can see that I can do that:
http://bc-central.net/forums/index.php/topic,4390.0.html
If the continued obsession with tightness is a joke, then haha. I really hope you guys can read better than that. Now, can we TRY to stay on topic here?
lol
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i was giving you friendly advice to simply draw over the top of the STM its not the tightness its the entire look, the to large muscles and the super short stature they look more like Starfleet porn stars than officers. I was tring to give you advice
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translation: drop the skintight issue. PERIOD
i'd actually like to see your TMP version take as well.
both of you, provide links to these uniform blanks (including the ones from the previous thread, please). I'd like to do my own uniforms stylings like these, and show you guys what I originally had in mind.
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http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/starfleet-uniforms1.htm i draw over the tops of these actully well from any era i want to actully lol
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crap...I was hoping for lineart...looks like I'll have to doodle another dress dummy.
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Candle: Undeadavenger wrote in his first post, that he will use the STM images as template eventually. There was no need for your input suggesting/advising the use of the STM images.
This is not a personal attack against you, but rather some "friendly advice".
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Sorry for the hijack of the thread, but I drew up some uniforms which I would consider appropriate for ca. 2390 (14 years before Endgame, and about 5 years before AGT).
Used a similar style to the First Contact uniforms, but made it considerably darker, added colored trim to both the jacket and pants, and added the AGT/Endgame style communicator. Also came up with an appropriate design (completely with rank insignia) for a possible Marine variant.
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Those are pretty cool, Darkthunder! I was personally trying to steer away from the dark colors, though, without hitting the "pajama" look again.
And no offense was intended, candle. It's just that I'm not exactly making a cartoon here, so I don't think the body style matters very much. Just the ideas for the uniforms.
King Scout, I actually made a layered photoshop template based on the STM layouts. How would you like me to get them to you?
Here's a shot of the template, as well as some others I made with fabrica de herois, and a refined version of the uniform from my old Star Trek: Century thread:
1. Template
2. Ambassador Jean Luc Picard
3. EV Suit
4. Starfleet Intelligence Infiltration Suit
5. Hazard Team Uniform
6. My old Duty Uniform
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Ambassador Picard is Superman!
Sorry, couldn't resist, but that is actually a pretty nifty ambassador's uniform.
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Lol, I skinnied him up a bit, but the big muscular ribcage couldn't be helped. Sort of a 25th century tuxedo, I guess. And a nice little cape for his noble heritage. heheh
Added a variation on the "Century Uniform" above. Opened the jacket collar up to allow the undershirt to show through, and switched it to TNG and TOS colors for variance:
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I likes the colors on this last one best so far..reminds me of Braxtens future crew from voyager.
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Heck, how about TMP?
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You know, that's actually quite good.
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Added the other shoulder for a TNG layout:
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at least SOMEONE out there uses Paintshop. unfortunately, my own uniform designs are a lot more...minimal (think more wrestling singlet), for additional freedom of movement. except for the dress uniforms (which i based on West Point cade Uniforms.) which are more properly a TMP type.
i have to go over all my illos for the series to convert these.
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That last one (Officer Duty Uniform v2) looks the best so far imho.
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that one kinda reminds me of the concepts they were going to use in generations.
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King, I won't touch Photoshop. The closest I come is a little third party PSD converter program, since PSP7 won't open nested layers. I don't do the later PSP versions, either. All both programs did was muddy up the controls after that point. PSP7 is more intuitive, at least to the way my brain works, I guess. Not to mention that I only got PSP7 a few years ago in a discount bin for $15! Hopefully with open source programs like GIMP appearing out there free of charge, Corel and Adobe will lower their insane prices.
Darkthunder, I must admit that the slight shoulder change and the colors of the TNG variant appeal to me, too. Waaayy more than I thought they could.
Aces, you know a site with the Generations uniform concepts? I don;t recall if I've seen them before. I need to check my special edition DVD, I guess!
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i know what you mean. somebody GAVE me PSP7, and I've passed it over 3 computers. before that, I had Micrographics Picture Publisher...now owned by corel. I had to get used to PSP after PP8, and miss a few things from PP
i will post these uniforms of mine...they'll look funky to you guys, BUT...they'll also look familliar (i based em on next G originally)
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No, I actually haven't seen the concept sketches themselves, but from what I have heard was that fairly late in the preproduction of the movie, After the sketches were sent off to playmates toys for the movie's figures, they decided to switch to the mixed uniforms that we ended up seeing in the movie. So, if you've seen the early release versions of the Generations figures, that's what the uniforms would have looked like.
(http://www.matthewedgar.net/sci-fi-pieces/images/edgar-sci-fi-items-73.jpg)
For some later releases, they repainted the same figures so that they looked more like the TNG uniforms.
(http://www.matthewedgar.net/sci-fi-pieces/images/edgar-sci-fi-items-79.jpg)
I'll keep an eye out for the sketches though.
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Used one of your designs as a template, for a TNG/FC-hybrid, dated ca. 2380 (2 years Post-Nemesis).
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here ya go some circa 2450 uniform designs obvious design lineage from the AGT uniform
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Realized after I posted that last image, that I forgot one critical uniform variant: The Admiral's uniform.
EDIT: Modified the uniforms further to include the correct era of communicator, pockets, and belt buckle.
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Cool, I actually designed a very similar 2380s flag uniform based on the FC uniform.
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very nice ace
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you guys are probably gonna :funny at these, but this is what you'd expect to see on my own ship crews.
only the first and current designs are shown. the rainbow collar on the type five is a substitute for division colors, which I didn't add to the designs until the type 4's
the base color, here, belongs to one race of the species.
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Its good, personally if i designed a uniform look like the red jacket era uniforms enough with the shoulder superhero horizen line jumpsuit eras, id do a black version of the TWOK era uniforms
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Myeh. I could see the Romulans in black all the time, but it has never seemed right on the Federation to me. On the flip side, they could use less bright colors, too. What's so wrong with blues and tans? lol Maybe that's why I'm the only person who seems to have liked the TMP uniforms...
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a couple years ago, I designed a Starfleet Marine/Security combat jumpsuit using a modern flightsuit as a base. I eventually made it into a Halloween costume, with a few changes. if I find my camera I'll post pictures of the final costume, but here's the original concept:
Edit, I found my camera, here's the final costume:
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Pretty cool, Aces! I think we should have a thread for concept artwork. Not sure if it should be in the graphic arts forum or here, since the GAF is geared toward texturing/modeling. I should have some further uniform concepts up, and have yet to post my phaser design art (if I can remember where it is on my HD).
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hm...you can correct me on the color of a USAF flight suit. i couldn't get anybody to tell me the correct color.
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Mine's just standard OD green, although I've seen them in a variety of colors, ranging from Blaze Orange to Desert Tan, even Black. I would have used a black one for the costume, but the army surplus didn't have any in my size.
If you're looking for an exact shade, I usually use either Olive Drab FS34087 or SAC Bomber Green FS34159 when I paint the pilots in my model kits.
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crud. i used a blue color...mabey I was thinking NASA or something.
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yeah, blue isn't that common for the USAF, they use green so that downed pilot's have some degree of camouflage. although you're right, NASA uses a bright blue color, I think it's Insignia Blue.
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All right, back for more! This pretty much wraps up the officer uniform variants. I call this the v4 uniform as I've again expanded on it, and actually completely remade the template.
First up is the big one, the officer duty uniform. This incorporates all eras of Trek. It has the double breasted design seen in ST2-6, except the flap is reversed. It has the piping and color around the shoulders, like TNG. It has the belt folded into the shirt, like TMP, and it has quilted pads in the shoulders, somewhat like the First Contact Uniforms.
Next is the vest, which is heavily influenced by the awesome vest Kirk wore in Generations. The quilting effect from the shoulders of the duty jacet have been added to the ribs area of the vest.
Third is the plain undershirt.
And finally, the Captain's shirt. Never did figure out why the captain always gets his own personal variant. This one is a mix of the short-sleeve undress white shirt Kirk wore in TMP and the lime-green wraparound he wore in TOS.
Hope you guys enjoy, and please feel free to critique! Now it's on to enlisted, dress, and specialty uniforms!
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They look good, but i started realizing more and more how much i have always hated star trek uniforms. Only exceptionThe wok + red jackets..those were to me, the best, sharp, perfect uniforms. Can't stand anything they put out ever since TNG. Nemesis uniforms grew on me "briefly" but The constant changes to uniforms in starfleet is utter crap and only makes them look like a bunch of vain fashion idiots. TOS era mini skirt variants used in the new TREK i love, for the women- sure it's sexist and just T+A, but i'm not afraid to admit i'm a um..what's the term? Oh yes! MALE. :evil
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Not a big fan of the Captain's variant, but the other 3 I think look perfect. Just not sure if the communicator pin should be in its current position (and in black), on the standard duty uniform.
EDIT: A couple of modifications to your duty uniform. Hope you don't mind. Just suggestions :)
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BLAH on the same boring communicator, DT! lol
And Daystar, you are REALLY letting this get to you too much. Who says they can't get a few changes in clothing?
I'm not too sure about the Captain's variant myself. I may putter with that later. For now its 4am here, and I gotta get up at 8!
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Yeah i know. :funny It's a pet peeve.
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Made this picture up just for a bit of laughs. Not incredibly well done, but it suits the purpose :P
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redye the 'captain's shirt' in blue. that's more like McCoy's short sleeved cut from OS (i even mace a variant i called "doctor's cut" based on it)
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Geez, thunder. That really cracked me up! What's with the mirror Spock? Like McCoy, you must like him better with the beard! lol
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thought I'd jump an this band wagon
I have gone for a more TOS look
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The heads and legs are disproportionate.
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I've only got paint to play with at work :P
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THat is a cool look! i am very pro-women in the skirts, real military they wear skirts for dress uniforms, i always felt that was part of the charm of Trek in TOS, sexist or not, it compliments a woman's form. I like the way it is a perfect mesh of TOS and TNG you can see it clearly. I love the JJ abrahms take on the microskirt uniforms and meshweave men tops, i hope they don't get all PC and change it in the next film just because they were trying to nod to TOS first and then cover the women up. Granted, No 1 in "the cage" wore pants, obviously it is a choice. The head i can see outof scale, the legs not so much. For using just paint, not bad.
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I was bored so i did a quick my version of that uniform.
Sarah michelle gellar is a tiny gal, about 5'2 or so i believe, assuming the man was around 5'11-6'0 this was a guess at height scale.
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if you wanna turn that around and revive the "skant", make it look like a Kilt in guys form.
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So, Daystar. When are we gonna see that sexy Angelina-Vulcan on a bridge in BC?
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As soon as i figure out DDS file editing lol. i edit the files, i have a program to that can make faces in any 3d program, celebs, real, used it a lot, its called faceshop pro, problem is, DDS editing has become a nightmare for me to see where im messing up. i can open them, i have the plug in, its saving them and having them readable or "lined up"correct thats killing me. Most 3d programs use a much easier texture map..in poser/daz if you yanked up a models texture you can edit over the old and easily see where everything lines up..DDS uses some crazy box like crap that is confusing me to no end. For every tuturiol i think i get, i take three steps forward, five steps back
ok now that i am back from work, i see the sarah michelles legs are not right. to big scaled. shes also skinnier than the waist here..it was a fast throw together i can do better.
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I was bored so i did a quick my version of that uniform.
Sarah michelle gellar is a tiny gal, about 5'2 or so i believe, assuming the man was around 5'11-6'0 this was a guess at height scale.
The man is 6ft tall, I should know it is my head!
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I was bored so i did a quick my version of that uniform.
Sarah michelle gellar is a tiny gal, about 5'2 or so i believe, assuming the man was around 5'11-6'0 this was a guess at height scale.
The man is 6ft tall, I should know it is my head!
Stealing a man's head? That's just not right! lol
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I have done a dress uniform variation of my concept
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Another new layout, what do you guys think? Better/worse than the previous ones?
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Cool stuff
Timeline? Are there "classes", such as "Class A" for Starship Duty, "Class B" for Starbase/Trade Station/Shipyard, etc.?
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Actually was planning on doing that, with different uniforms for starship and station/planetside personnel. They did it in TMP and I think they were going for it when DS9 started, until the designers for Generations and Voyager decided to use the DS9 uniforms.
I'm personally shooting for beginning of the 25th century or so.
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I'm in the early stages of writing a future episode of my fanfic, which involves an altered timeline where the Dominion war continued in 2383, so I designed a set of more militarized FC uniforms to go with it. The idea was that while most things wouldn't change, there would be some technological advances in certain areas, and some aspects would become more utilitarian.
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Another new layout, what do you guys think? Better/worse than the previous ones?
Im a great fan of this concept.
A question: Would'n it be nice that uniforms are a little more task-specific?
Say for command officers this layout is very nice. But would'n it be a good idea to add some armor for Security and Engeneering, as theese people are expected to put themselves in harms way more often than command and Science. Im not talking about a combat suit or anything, but the concept from the hasard team in EF would be a good start.
Then Science could have a basic tircorder on their arm or somthing.
Just an idea.
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Another new layout, what do you guys think? Better/worse than the previous ones?
Im a great fan of this concept.
A question: Would'n it be nice that uniforms are a little more task-specific?
Say for command officers this layout is very nice. But would'n it be a good idea to add some armor for Security and Engeneering, as theese people are expected to put themselves in harms way more often than command and Science. Im not talking about a combat suit or anything, but the concept from the hasard team in EF would be a good start.
Then Science could have a basic tircorder on their arm or somthing.
Just an idea.
This is pretty much a standard duty uniform for all divisions. However, I'm a big fan of the "engineer's work suit" kind of thing. We saw it in FC where Geordi had the duty uniform with shorter sleeves. I think a more protective suit like the ones in TWOK are in order. Thing is, you can have standard uniforms and variants, like in TMP. Regular militaries tend to have 3-4 variations for standard personnel, so why not Starfleet?
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Here's a Marine Dress uniform design I put together by combining a starfleet uniform with elements of the modern Marine Dress:
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I gave the Officer's dress a shot in the same style, it needs something though
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(http://api.ning.com/files/gG78G6XMHhx6GwT-lCokM*OwIrIBJOVTDp4ivbaKWUd-pJ2vjR4oMaQj8ou7JrUx/ST_NO3.png)
(http://api.ning.com/files/4hGgrUjCqJ98-5v5**VHFiVTA3aDPChscJw-OhObpp6gbcyrwkZ0Oe4y4tGemcLH/ST_NO2.png)
(http://api.ning.com/files/pL6RvseefW*fXYd7oYfYOkAFotRMQUyHKpY3Kk1Dn21BaTaxWGrQhaLOyzK-0oEq/ST_NO.png)
Love your fan fic, hope to see links to the entire series' episodes at my anthology.
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Aces High: e-mail me with your story episodes and story concept. I'm working on an updated website. (see link below.)
trekwriter31@yahoo.ca
http://starbase_hellsgate.tripod.com/index.html