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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: DJ Curtis on June 15, 2010, 01:55:25 AM
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Jimmy was complaining :P that everyone keeps doing Connies. I guess he's got a point, there have been a lot of them lately. So here's something different. It's going to be a TNG era Frigate, about 300 meters long or so, with a body in the Matt Jeffries style but with lots of Galaxy class design cues, as you can see.
Pretty early atm, I've spent a couple hours shaping out the drive section, which is definitely the hardest part.
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Looking nice.
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Update once before bed.
I did some reshapnig of the interhull as well as the deflector area and the ship's belly. Also built the start of a spine.
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ooeeh ambassador concept painting?(A)
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So much for going to bed... I changed it... :D
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Really good stuff man. I can't figure out how you do it. :bow: It wouldn't happen to involve spline caging would it? :P
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It would, at times. More changes. Also had a weird error that duplicated a mess of verts. That was a pain... they wouldn't weld. :hithead:
It's looking a little Galxy-esque right now, but I have plans... it will have it's own look, plus be a lot smaller.
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I'm getting inspired to try my own TNG ship.
Looks good as always DJ
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Looking forward to seeing more. as always of course!
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Hmm, not sure I like the chunky version as much as the smoother one... chunky, it reminds me of old PC keyboard keys.
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Man if you keep making great stuff like this I'll run out of HD space! lol :thumbsup:
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Would be really good to see new designs/concept :)
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Yes! Another DJ ship :D
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Awsome start DJ..
If verts dont weld mate, its normally because of a duplicate face.. if thats not the case i just use the "Remove" Command from the selection rollout to get rid of the pesky blighters.
Look forward to seeing the rest of it :thumbsup:
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Some refinement, as well as the addition of nacelle pylons and main impulse engine.
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LOVE!
*sighs* I wish I could be a better modeler like you :bow: I'm still stuck trying to get splinecaging downpat LOL
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Once in a while things just start to flow and work right. For every model I built that I show here, there's probably ten that look terrible and just don't work.
I refined the deflector area...
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Are you going to go with long, skinny nacelles a la Sovereign class, or the short bulby ones from the Galaxy? I think a longer, skinnier version of the Galaxy ones would look fabulous with those long pylons.
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Well either way DJ I'm liking what you're doing so far :)
It's looking great!
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I'll let the pictures do the talking. Any suggestions?
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You might try changing the Galaxy-style shuttlebay and bridge. They don't seem to fit with the sharper lines of the secondary hull.
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Shorten the neck height to where there's almost no neck at all. Augment the saucer shuttle bay to flow down to the aft edge of the saucer and have it as a dual impulse engine. Have the actual shuttle bay on the aft end of the 2ndary hull, and the aft torp launcher on top of it, perhaps back a bit, almost about halfway down the 2nday hull.
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I would take a cue from the New Orleans and the other ships made for Best of Both Worlds, make the bridge like twice the size it should be, that will make the whole thing look alot smaller.
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I would take a cue from the New Orleans and the other ships made for Best of Both Worlds, make the bridge like twice the size it should be, that will make the whole thing look alot smaller.
I have to agree there! I think you should size the shuttlebay down a bit...The bridge is already twice the size it should be. On the New Orleans the shuttle area was quite a bit smaller.
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I would personally go with a round saucer, or an oval shaped one like current, but turned 90 degrees. Thou between these two suggestions, the round saucer sounds like a better suggestion to me. The way it looks currently, it feels pretty much like a Galaxy class. The view you made of the ship from the underside facing the deflector area made it look VERY much like a Galaxy class. Not that it's a bad thing, but you've already made one of the best Galaxy classes :)
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I would personally go with a round saucer, or an oval shaped one like current, but turned 90 degrees. Thou between these two suggestions, the round saucer sounds like a better suggestion to me. The way it looks currently, it feels pretty much like a Galaxy class. The view you made of the ship from the underside facing the deflector area made it look VERY much like a Galaxy class. Not that it's a bad thing, but you've already made one of the best Galaxy classes :)
That's the thing DT: It's from the TNG Period, meaning Enterprise D....look at the Wolf359 ships...they all had oval shaped saucers like this ship. It gives off a Galaxy-Class feeling because it's supposed to. Think of it as a Galaxy-Class that's gone under a shrinking machine. I personally like what he's done so far :)
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DJ - when this model is complete, it would be rather easy to tweak it a bit and have a DJ New Orleans class lol :P :D
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DJ - when this model is complete, it would be rather easy to tweak it a bit and have a DJ New Orleans class lol :P :D
I'll drink to that! :drink2:
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ahhw it looks like a baby galaxy class :D
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If you do shorten the neck, I would suggest only by about 25-50%. Then maybe pull the spine of the neck further out by 30%. So You have a bit of the DJ-esque streamline but still retaining a TNG feel.
As for someone mentioning the nacelles earlier, I would say something between a little more on the slimness of the Soverign nacelles and more the length of the Galaxy nacelles.
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What about Cheyenne nacelles?
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Im not so sure about the saucer. in my opinion its a little too big. you might try to make it smaller.
the shuttlebay looks a little too much like that of a galaxy class. i have a good suggestion for that however. is it possible to lengthen it right to the neck, so that it ends just where the saucer connects to the neck? ...
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I took a good long look and she looks right.
Perhaps enlarge the bridge slightly and I would give her long Galaxy like nacelles so she falls into the New Orleans family.
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On this ship, the modified naccels from da incom might look good.
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I like it, but I'm kinda in the mood for a over/under necelle desighn. Maybe a more heavy armed bigger Challenger like ship
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I take back what I said about the secondary hull, she looks gorgeous now.
With that Saucer and Bridge, perhaps a differen deck 2/3 design, with a taller and narrower shuttlebay would help to sell the size of the ship without looking like a kitbash.
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Looking good to me so far. :)
I have a suggestion, as far as engines are concerned.
Something I have always wanted to see on a Federation ship and I think you would be able to pull it off nicely.
I would like to see a cross between a Galaxy Class and Ambassador engine. A galaxy engine with the Ambassadors top indented style and the back taper to it. Would be a unique look and still have the TNG feel to it.
Like the idea of a New Orleans Class style to the ship, but with your twist on it.
Looking forward to your next update.
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Worked on this ship last night and this morning, as I'm back home for a few days.
I took the suggestion of tapering the backs of the nacelles. They're smaller than those on the Galaxy, so I wanted to make them somewhat different rather than just scaled down, messing with people's idea of how big the ship is. I'm going to make a few more changes to them yet.
Made lots of changes to the secondary hull and built phaser arrays, sensor strips, torpedo tubes, impulse engine, spine, yacht, etc.
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Now that you've started on this again, does that mean you are finished with the Damar-class?
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This one is going to be a keeper for sure.
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You've got the balance exactly right DJ! And she looks like a step between the Ambie and the Galaxy. Can't wait to see her textured.
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Gonna start on those textures now.
And yes, Damar is done, still have to pack it all up though.
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Looking great as always DJ :thumbsup:
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She's a beauty DJ, nice work
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One word: Yay! :yay:
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awwww how cute! it is like the Galaxy Class's younger brother :)
i cant wait to see it textured :D
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Nice job. :D
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She looks awesome so far, including when you show her next to the Galaxy.
beautiful work. :thumbsup:
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i know i am going to get some stick over about what i going to say but i dont like the design, i know lots of hard work has gone into her but it dont look right to me, i love the galaxy class too much.
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Sorry to go off-topic here DJ but I just recently came across your Eclipse class and after downloading imediatly I found your old thread and got caught up on her construction. While doing so I came across this little guy :D. Any chance you've done anything else with her since then? Because that would be really sweet if you could release this little gem along with your Damar Class and TNG Frigate :thumbsup:
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Looks like it could be used as an upgraded Ambassador class... possibly an economic fill in for Galaxy class starships when they were first being built. I like it a lot.
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My "baby girl (Galaxy class)" Has a baby brother!! I like it!!!!! :yay: :yay: :dance :dance
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How about name the class of this ship as the Quadrant class. It could be setup where 4 of these ships were built for every Galaxy class.
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We could do a retcon where we say "Oh, all those Galaxy classes we saw in the Dominion War? They weren't all Galaxy classes..."
You know, like what those Star Wars guys said when A-wings began showing up a few years before they were supposed to.
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Now THAT's what the Enterprise-C should have been. :)
Really beautiful ship, DJ. I think it's my favourite out of all the ships you've done so far.
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It looks a bit too similar to the Galaxy Class for my taste, but the mesh is excellent, as is usual for your work. Also it's size and shape remind me of Adonis' Desert Rose Class.
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hmm this is awesome, though I wouldn't have bent those pylons so much. :D
It looks like it fits right between the New Orleans Class and Galaxy Class. (roll and size)
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though I wouldn't have bent those pylons so much. :D
personally, i prefer them; IMO it stands it out just a little bit more... otherwise it wont look too much like a Galaxy; or like a Galaxy Class with large windows (when textured and complete) lol
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umm Jimmy I think ya missed my point lol...
I was saying they need to look a little closer to the galaxy ones from head on.
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Here's where it's at so far. You might be able to tell that I'm using the exact same colour scheme as my Galaxy Class. in fact I'm using that texture file as a base.
More updates to follow today.
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So, her role is basically same as the Frankenstein fleets that went to Wolf 359?
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If I were you DJ, I would reduce windows count in the second row or overally in the inner section of the saucer, they look a little bit cramped but still it's awesome :dance cookie !
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Well it is a small ship.
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I would change either the name or the registry. Endeavor seems like it would be one of the first one hundred names thought up by Starfleet.
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Endeavor seems like it would be one of the first one hundred names thought up by Starfleet.
So would Enterprise. There have been examples of starfleet reusing names with a different registry. There was a Nebula class Prometheous at one point. And I don't know how many Bozeman's have been mentioned. xD
DJ, she looks amazing, and the name suits. (Also like that you are using the English spelling. I'm asuming you named it after the space shuttle, maybe? )
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Well, originally 1701 meant 1st ship of the 17th design, not 1701st ship commissioned by Starfleet. By that logic, it could have been only the 17th ship, assuming they only made one ship of every design. (Yeah, quite a stretch, I know. :roll)
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Like the texture so far, looks great. Love what I can see of those engines. :thumbsup:
From what I see from the pics, I think you may have the scaling wrong on the forward torp launcher though.
If you go the way of the Galaxy Class, the docking ports will be in the recessed part were that is. Judging from the size of the windows and bridge/main shuttlebay, That section should be larger to accommodate that. Sort of hard to tell without windows on that section to go by. Just the way It looks to me anyway. :)
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Looking good DJ. Not sure of the name as a most likely a Galaxy or Nebula class ship called Endeavour was commissioned during TNG.
If this is the Galaxy's little sister perhaps call her a Stellar class starship to fit in with the Galaxy/Nebula theme and have the class names stars as some of the star names are quite beautiful and would really suit a small, beautiful explorer such as this.
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Amazing Stuff as always DJ. You will have my download whenever she's ready. Same for your Damar class as well. Have a cookie! :thumbsup:
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If this is the Galaxy's little sister perhaps call her a Stellar class starship to fit in with the Galaxy/Nebula theme and have the class names stars as some of the star names are quite beautiful and would really suit a small, beautiful explorer such as this.
I second that, Stellar Class, maybe USS Aldebaran? Anywho, she looks awesome so far. :D
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This little ship is love at first sight. Imma need some heart medicine now. Seriously. Anything that resembles the magnificent Galaxy Class (except for the Nebula), I see it and my heart skips a beat.
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Here's where I'm at.
-All major surfaces are now mapped.
-Textured the back of the interhull.
-Changed the textures where the saucer meets the interhull.
-did some texturing to the top of the engines.
-textured the deflector dish
-textured the bridge area
-textures sensor arrays and thrusters.
-textured the tops of the pylons.
As for the name, right now it's more or less a placeholder. I couldn't think of anything interesting. I like the name Stellar for the class; good idea there.
As for the scaling of the torpedo area, it's on... 1 deck. This ship has about 29 usable decks, with probably 2 service decks for a total of 31.
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You're gonna tell us you textured the deflector but show no pics? Why so heartless? :P
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Are you saying that nobody here likes the name Quadrant class? :( Anyways, really love this ship DJ. Hope I can be on the list to beta. ;)
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Lol. Quadrant is ok, though something about Stellar just struck me.
As for the deflector, it looks exactly the same as the Galaxy. I'll be sure to include a picture of it tomorrow morning.
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Twenty-nine decks? Isn't that how much the Galaxy had? :idk:
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Galaxy has 42 decks.
10 forward was on the bottom half of the saucer rim.
the bottom of the saucer is deck 14.
forward torp launcher was on deck 25.
engineering was on deck 36.
antimatter pods on deck 42.
;)
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Lol. Quadrant is ok, though something about Stellar just struck me.
DJ, if you live in SoCal for at least a month, you'll know why Stellar would not be a good name :P
How about Starlifter as in the C-141. Since it was the smaller transport for it's big brother, the C-5 "Galaxy", or maybe Blazar class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazar)
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How come?
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It's something that um... "caucasians that live in trailer parks who happen to be clueles or ignorant" use quite a lot to describe one thing or another. Sorry, didn't want to use the WT term because it might offend some folks here. I happen to have worked with this one girl, who fit the profile above perfectly, who used the term stellar or it's abreviated form... stella'... quite liberally, and with a valley girl accent too.
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Loving the textures so far. I'm liking those ribs on the nacelles. Is the red stripes of the pennant going to run between them?
Glad you like the class name I came up with, I took a while looking up astronomical words and thought what is smaller than a Galaxy and Nebula? A Star but Star Class didn't sit well. Then I looked up a list of star names on Memory Alpha and thought Stellar.
Imagine the USS Centauri, Altair or Eridani. Something about those names that suits this ship and the era in which they were built.
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Stars is Latin is astra, star in Latin is astrum. Thought I would throw that out.
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Given that this ship seems to be placed between the designs of the Ambassador and Galaxy classes, perhaps use a "Galaxy" name for the class?
Andromeda Class
Centaurus Class
Comet Class
Magellanic Class
Sunflower Class
Triangulum Class
One of my favorite ship classes is the Galaxy Class, but this one looks to be my next favorite :)
EDIT: After posting, I came to think of "USS Endeavour, Centaurus Class starship", which sounded pretty neat :P
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i dont know about Centaurus, too close to Centaur IMO... not "unique" enough...
DJ, if you live in SoCal for at least a month, you'll know why Stellar would not be a good name :P
How about Starlifter as in the C-141. Since it was the smaller transport for it's big brother, the C-5 "Galaxy", or maybe Blazar class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazar)
It's something that um... "caucasians that live in trailer parks who happen to be clueles or ignorant" use quite a lot to describe one thing or another. Sorry, didn't want to use the WT term because it might offend some folks here. I happen to have worked with this one girl, who fit the profile above perfectly, who used the term stellar or it's abreviated form... stella'... quite liberally, and with a valley girl accent too.
he is absolutely right... i lived in California (San Francisco) for about a year (in the late 90s), and i must admit when i read the possibility of it being called "Stellar Class" or thought "USS Stellar" for this ship, i thought to myself "please please please not that" lol
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How about Cartography Class :P
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:facepalm:
*kicks neb*
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Sector Class
Solar Class
Flare Class
Solar Flare Class
Jupiter Class (god of sky)
Jest a cupple,lol
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Milky Way Class?
Kit-Kat Class? :p
I think that Stellar Class fits, actually. Stellar class, USS Endeavour just fits.
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USS Endeavor was likely already been used on another ship (and ship class) around that same time, tho...
it would be one thing if the name had been on a ship from years ago, but 2 ships around the same time wouldnt have had the same name...
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(http://drunkenachura.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/internet-serious-business.jpg)
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Well, THAT was unexpected.
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Aurora class, U.S.S. Foxbat
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Here's where I'm at. may not see much more progress until next week, as I'm headed off to a family reunion soon.
-reduced the windows size
-added windows to the rims
-did work to the bottom of the secondary hull
-did some grid lines on the top of the secondary hull
-did the torp launcher
-did the phaser arrays
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I'm tempted to just call this the Gambie. :P
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Insta-cookie. She looks amazing.
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(http://drunkenachura.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/internet-serious-business.jpg)
I'm surprised no one has started with the "Post-Dominion War Refit" yet :P
Hmm... How about the Illustrious Class?
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I was actually thinking about asking for plans on a PDW refit, but I didnt wanna be a bugger :P
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Looking good DJ... Just looking way too much like the Galaxy for my liking.
~Jb
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Whatever you call it,, I'll take two of 'em. Sort of has a Connie/New Orleans feel to it. Gets better every time I see her. :thumbsup:
Some names I like, with definitions.
Neoma/Neona: greek: New Moon
Quamarah: muslim: The moon
Danica (dah-nee-kah): slavic: The morning star
Quamar: muslim: The moon
Solis/Sol: latin: Sun; sunshine
Ryuuza: japanese: Draco (dragon) constellation
Solar or Solis Class has a nice ring to it as well as Stellar. Curtis Class? :)
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Pulsar Class. :)
I'm liking it, even though it looks like a smaller proportioned Galaxy-class. :)
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How about the Belle Poule, that was a fairly famous french frigate name that went with 3 ships that did some neat things?
Or one of the original first american frigates the Chesapeake? There were 6 and could list the first 6 of the class.....
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Pulsar Class. :)
I'm liking it, even though it looks like a smaller proportioned Galaxy-class. :)
Maybe it's the economy model? XD
more names:
USS Kepler
Class:
Vela Class
Orion Class
Gemini Class
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To go with the Galaxy theme-
Quasar
Dwarf (would go nicely seeing that dwarf stars are small, and the ship is small)
Sagittarius
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ok guys perhaps we should let off on the name suggestions... DJ now has at least 1 1/2 pages of thread to consider lol :P
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Well, I know he will decide the name himself. As its somewhat like the Galaxy class, I would use some astronomical phenomena as a name aswell.
Sounds logical right? ;)
Textures are superb. :thumbsup:
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I really like the ship, it's the New Orleans done right :thumbsup:
Just one more suggestion ;)
How about the Forward unto Dawn-class USS In Amber Clad?
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I'm loving it, though I have to say that the undersaucer phaser array isn't sitting right with me.
As a friendly-but-annoying suggestion prhaps evoke the ambassador with a broken array around the flat rim of the saucer? I'm not sure how it would work in terms of symmetry with the top saucer's full array...
Also, the torp launcher is very small for such a small ship. Perhaps it should be scaled up to relate to the Galaxy Class better?
Attached suggestion pic...
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patrickarace, no Halo, if we get halo namwes, they should be on halo ships
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patrickarace, no Halo, if we get halo namwes, they should be on halo ships
Just joking......
If I could give cookies I'd give one to you for being the frst to notice :P
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make 4 more post then you can give cookies
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@Bren: Broken phaser strips seems more Lost Era than TNG Era, at least it does to me. :p
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Yeah, I agree it just doesn't fit the ship/time.
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I'm sure it would look fine, though I think those arrays would look way too far out. That being said, no model changes are going to happen since I'm well into texturing.
By the way, I'm back from camping so I'll be picking this up again this week.
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DJ Curtis.
Thats so nice, it does fill the gap between the amby and the gal.
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gotta say i love that ship, cant wait to use it
(havent posted anything in two years my bcc account was deleted awhile bk so got a new one)
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Did some reconstruction to the secondary hull and interhull. The mesh was making a mess out of the mapping so I needed to straighten out the lines.
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great. maybe a venture styled refit?
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That being said, no model changes are going to happen since I'm well into texturing.
Did some reconstruction to the secondary hull and interhull. The mesh was making a mess out of the mapping so I needed to straighten out the lines.
Not that I have anything against your decision to have a solid phaser strip on the ventral side of the saucer. Just saying, that since your into remodelling it anyways, perhaps JTKs "venture styled refit" might not be a bad idea :P
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Just doing that part. ;)
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Mapped and textured most of the area I rebuilt. Flows a lot better now than it did before. The top of the engineering hull swoops down a little steeper than it did before, but I think it adds a bit more character, a little more distinct from the Galaxy class.
I also textured on the forward launcher area. Modeling it in was giving off some pretty ugly smoothing areas that I couldn't seem to resolve, and the texture looks convincing enough.
I also did more work to the spine and belly of the engineering hull.
I've included a forward ortho so you can sort of see the swoop of the engineering hull along the top.
Now to start adding details to that big ventral saucer. :facepalm:
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She's lookin purdy, DJ. Another classic in the works! :yay:
What sort of lighting do you use for your renders? I'm guessing at least one normal Omni, but where is it and what sort of attributes does it have?
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Looking good.
DJ Curtis.
Thats so nice, it does fill the gap between the amby and the gal.
Its smaller than the Amby at 300 meters.;)
gotta say i love that ship, cant wait to use it
(havent posted anything in two years my bcc account was deleted awhile bk so got a new one)
Thats what you get for leaving. j/k!
Welcome back.
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thanks,
well shes coming along beautifully, altho i think the neck looks abit to busy, maybe reduce the number of windows by a few just to balance out the amount of windows on the saucer section and engineering hull so the ship as a whole doesnt look to over crowded with windows of course its just my personal taste lol, still awesome looking ship,
will this ship be equivilant to the ambassador in power?
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In terms of power, I will give it type X phaser arrays on the saucer section, and Ambassador equivalent arrays on the rest of the ship. (Type IX?) The ship will also fire only five photons compared to ten on the Galaxy. Shields and hull will be pretty similar. If anything, I'll give the shields a slower recharge rate. This ship will be more maneuverable, but it's weakness is a single impulse engine, compared to the Galaxy's three.
Did some pretty serious work today...
-textured a bunch of the ventral pylons. More to do.
-detailed the ventral saucer.
-added details to the ventral engineering hull.
-textured the upper interhull connecting to the saucer.
-textured the bottoms of the warp engines.
-added more textures to the tops of the warp engines.
-added textures behind the shuttle bay
-added a sensor strip to the aft edge of the ship
I should be finished the textures tomorrow morning. Mostly just adding more detail in places and texturing a few small areas, such as the saucer sensor dome, top of the impulse engine, aux. deflector, bridge, front of the interhull, etc.
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Guess I haven't been keeping up with this as well as I thought! Just noticed that your registry is 1895-A. Does that say "Endeavour"? What was the first Endeavour's class? Need to know for the Starship Reg List. (Yes, I'm still doing it!)
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Don't worry about it, I'm not even sure I'm keeping that registry. That being said, the Endeavour registry was from a Connie.
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You never cease to amaze DJ. I look forward to this and your Cardassian Ship. And as always, I look forward to you'll come up with next :)
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She's lookin purdy, DJ. Another classic in the works! :yay:
What sort of lighting do you use for your renders? I'm guessing at least one normal Omni, but where is it and what sort of attributes does it have?
It's LC's old lighting rig. Adonis taught it to me. It's a skylight set up with advanced lighting.
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Diffuse textures are all done, though a name change is still coming. I've decided to go with Neb's suggestion of Orion for the class name.
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looking great :D
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She looks fantastic! Can't wait to get her alongside a Galaxy or at the head of a Wolf 359 fleet.
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I've decided to go with Neb's suggestion of Orion for the class name.
nice! :) :thumbsup:
out of curiosity, will you be naming it is USS Orion?
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Wonderful work on this, a real beauty :woot:
Every detail you add just makes it that much better.
Like how you've done all the registries and fleet insignia. The only place I notice that stands out to me is there is no registry where the forward launcher is. Always liked that on the Galaxy Class. You may be wanting to differ there than with the Galaxy, :)
Looking forward to seeing her ingame.
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Now that is a thing of beauty.
Cookie incoming.
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Looks great DJ.
Nice work!
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Just so you guys know, I'm going to pick this up again once BCFiles is working right again. It won't take me long to finish up, maybe 2 hours to do the HP and stuff. Same with the Damar, which is otherwise ready to go.
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Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like a good decision to me. :thumbsup:
FileFront has been very buggy as of late. Hopefully It's because they are working on the new layout for the sites.
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She?s a beauty, no doubt! :bow: