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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: CaptainRussell on February 10, 2007, 05:16:43 PM
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This is supposedly the class of Riker's USS Titan. I just finished the model (well sort of) today and put it into Bridge Commander for a test run, and it damages very well. The model has 13264 polygons, and still needs a few smoothing errors taken care of. I plan on following the basic texturing of some cartoon pictures that I have of the Luna-class, but this ship will likely have high-detail Sovereign-style textures, and will of course be cut up to use the Skinning & Damaging Tool.
Not everything on this ship is "canon" as the nacelles were incredibly-difficult to make after the lame cartoons that I used to make the ship - I also think that the aft tips of the nacelles should be fixed up to look a little better. I also went with a shuttle bay that is not the dome style like a Sovereign-class, since it didn't look good on this model.
Have a look at the screenshots from Bridge Commander (Milkshape renders aren't very exciting):
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Interesting design...
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It might not be exactly canon to the one seen on the novel covers but its pretty damn close and thats good enough.
Nice job. Cant wait to see it textured. Im hoping that this wont mess up my bridge charcters like the your 2nd version of the Nebula class seemed to. Im still not quite sure why that happened.
Anyway, really cool to see someone finally making this.
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Good job CR somebody finally had the courage to make this beast Jk :)
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It might not be exactly canon to the one seen on the novel covers but its pretty damn close and thats good enough.
Nice job. Cant wait to see it textured. Im hoping that this wont mess up my bridge charcters like the your 2nd version of the Nebula class seemed to. Im still not quite sure why that happened.
Anyway, really cool to see someone finally making this.
Don't worry there won't be any special scripting that could impact on anybody's game.
I also forgot to say that the NX Luna will not have the torpedo pod and will have blue stripes instead of red ones.
Oh yeah, and does anybody want an MVAM Captain's yacht? I modelled the bottom of the Captain's yacht (clearly visible) using a modified campher and wondered if anyone would care about this.
-CR
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Pretty job at it CR.
About time someone model that ugly err.. different design.
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Im impressed CR but i thought that the shuttlebay doors were the classic clamshell design seen on the TOS/TMP Enterprise/A and the ends of the nacelles need work i hate to say but overall the work is outstanding
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LOL. I already know that the nacelle ends suck. :lol:
However I'm sticking with the shuttle bay that I have - I made a clam one for it originally and it didn't look good.
-CR
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I've got the actual pictures of the ship, somewhere on my photobucket. I could send them to you, but if you like prefer the comic one go ahead. In fact now that I think about it, wouldn't that be some sort of copyright thing if you made the model after the actual thing? I don't know, nor care.
It's CR's work, which means it'll be awesome ship. Maybe, just maybe, he'll let a hardcore CR fan (seriously, I've got nearly everything I could get my hands on that CR worked on, I did searches for his stuff...I need to get a life sometime in the near future 8)) he'll let me beta-test it or something.
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When I think it's done I might let you beta-test it; hopefully BlackRook32, Adonis, and maybe Elminster will be able to beta-test it too.
-CR
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hey man great start i hope to see more
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Yes mate now this is what im talking about, it looks close enough to me, nice work on the model mate. i cant wait to see her textured, as for the shuttle i wouldnt worry about a mvam mod version, i think it is just a waste of time when it comes to shuttles.
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I like what you have done great modelling, but I don't like the design sorry, not my idea of what rikers ship would be :(
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Lookin good. Can't wait to see the textured version :whenitsdone
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They actually 3d for the cover is made, you can find renders on the Designers Devart page.
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Nice work Russ, I've been hoping somebody would have a crack at this ship, I can think of no-one better for the job. A good start with this model, and welcome back to the BCC boards!! :D
@ Kori, Would it be possible for you to post a link to these 3D Renders, you've got me interested!! :)
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*puts ship on yellow alert*
Haha, finally be able to blow this errr...thing to space dust. :twisted:
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very nice, good work CR.
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@ Kori, Would it be possible for you to post a link to these 3D Renders, you've got me interested!! :)
http://stourangeau.deviantart.com/
look threw all his pages, he has tones of concept ships and 3d renders.
(he didn't make the model, it is the same model going on the Cover made by Ellery Connell A.K.A masterjedi)
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CR when you texture her can you add the thruster packs, the designer didnt know anything about them at the time.
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Hey CR if you willing for another challenge you could do the mirror universe version by the same guy
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/26365927/?qo=122&q=by%3Astourangeau&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
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I do like the warp nacelles more on this version, and i have always thought it was one evil looking design, it helped me get used to the normal titan and to start liking her.
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hey Kori i love that page, great artwork
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Intresting ship design. looks good/promising :)
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Looks good Russell, Can't wait for her textures, I'm SURE They're gonna look great :)
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*puts ship on yellow alert*
Haha, finally be able to blow this errr...thing to space dust. :twisted:
LOL. :funny
I like what you have done great modelling, but I don't like the design sorry, not my idea of what rikers ship would be :(
It's not my idea of one either - my idea would be something intermediate in firepower between a Galaxy and Sovereign (after all Riker turned down a Nebula-class, which is way cooler than a Luna-class!), but this design kind of grew on me so I decided to make it, especially since LC has lately been tackling everything that needs replacement. I'm also thinking of doing a new Akira-class, since this ship is very similar to an Akira (I wouldn't have too much trouble making an Akira).
Looks good Russell, Can't wait for her textures, I'm SURE They're gonna look great :)
Yes, they will. 8)
CR when you texture her can you add the thruster packs, the designer didnt know anything about them at the time.
As in RCS thrusters? Those will be modelled onto the trim along the edge of the saucer that is submerged.
-CR
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Nice one, and a new akira would also be great
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I still can't wait to fly her. I just wish I had advanced modeling skills so I can create my own ships :P ONE DAY ONE DAY.
Keep it up Russell! You're gonna outdo yourself :)
Roger
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Hey CR if you willing for another challenge you could do the mirror universe version by the same guy
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/26365927/?qo=122&q=by%3Astourangeau&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
Wait, can this ship MVAM?
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Hmmmm saucer section is defiant styled badass, and the stardrive is a Courageous styled mofo.
Damn I like this ship even more now :D
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Hey CR if you willing for another challenge you could do the mirror universe version by the same guy
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/26365927/?qo=122&q=by%3Astourangeau&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
Wait, can this ship MVAM?
Sure looks like it.
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mvam luna would make the ship more appealing, IMO... and who's to say it wouldnt be "canon" anyway? lol
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Actually I've reconsidered the MVAM thing since there is no impulse engine for the stardrive anywhere on my model or any of the pictures I've used - it was only on the Terran Empire version that Barnes posted a picture of.
-CR
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but but but - cant you just make impulse engines on the stardrive?? i mean, there really is no "canon"ess about it, you could have artistic license :)
ah ok, nvm, i'll stop being annoying :P i can understand why you wouldnt want it to be mvam capable :)
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Actually I've reconsidered the MVAM thing since there is no impulse engine for the stardrive anywhere on my model or any of the pictures I've used - it was only on the Terran Empire version that Barnes posted a picture of.
-CR
Damn that sucks. Have look looked at the 3D pictures in his Gallery? They are made by a Fan for the next book cover.
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but but but - cant you just make impulse engines on the stardrive?? i mean, there really is no "canon"ess about it, you could have artistic license :)
ah ok, nvm, i'll stop being annoying :P i can understand why you wouldnt want it to be mvam capable :)
Actually i could make it MVAM capable quite easily by simply modelling on the top of the stardrive and bottom of the saucer that are concealed when the ship is together, and it would look really good too.
However there is NO good place for an impulse engine to be modelled to the stardrive portion of the ship, since it has a sleek structure like a Sovereign-class. Also if I did make this ship MVAM capable it would probably end up with well over 18000 polygons when together.
What I need to do is make the nacelles look better and then get going texturing this ship.
-CR
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However there is NO good place for an impulse engine to be modelled to the stardrive portion of the ship
.... tried extruding it from a pylon? or welding it to a pylon? by welding I mean a small model merged by boolean operation with the pylon
would give it kinda NX-01's look on the impulse drives.
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I have to be boring and say leave it be, it is just fine as it is, if anything the normal titan can deploy the saucer when the stardrive is smashed up like most normal fed ships.
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.... tried extruding it from a pylon? or welding it to a pylon? by welding I mean a small model merged by boolean operation with the pylon
would give it kinda NX-01's look on the impulse drives.
LOL. You mean cut a gap into a pylon, build an impulse engine, and scoot it up to it and connect it? There is no "boolean" operation in MS3D - you take spheres and cylinders and make what you want by scaling, trimming, and snapping the vertices of your meshes together to make a good, heavily-connected model that damages well.
I'm leaving this model as-is other than dealing with the unsightly aft nacelle tips.
-CR
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You made that on Milkshape!? :shock:
Awesome.
I need more practice :lol:
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I've fixed the one-quarter spheres on the aft nacelle tips; expect to see screenshots of the mesh later today, along with perhaps some texturing. I've also modelled a couple of RCS thrusters (I need 4 more, which will not be a problem since they're just submerged boxes). The big deal will be the insane amount of time that it will take to draw all of the little "Z", "T", "L", and "l" shapes that make up the hull plating on newer Federations ships.
I'm sure you all will like the end results; the ship will be cut up to use the Skinning & Damaging Tool and hopefully I can keep the registry sizes down at 1024x1024 (I've been fearing that I may have to use 2048x1024 registries for better detail). I've obtained the names of all Luna-class ships from the Star Trek books (the ones that I plan on using anyway, since some of them conflict with ships that I know of, like the Luna-class USS Europa) and will be including registries for them. However, I'm at a loss for the registry numbers of the ships other than the USS Titan, which is NCC-80102 - could some one provide me with regisry numbers for other Luna-class ships in the books (if they're given in the books, none of which I've ever read)? :D
-CR
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With the RCS thrusters, the new nacelle tail grilles, and the new phaser strips on the nacelle pylons, this model is done; the model now has 13500 polygons.
-CR
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I found names in the back of the first book. No reg numbers, but I think there's one ot two reg numbers mentioned in the books, I'm not about to re-read them. If you want the 10 other names, I can give them to you, but it seems you'll have to make up numbers.
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Well I've already got all of the names so don't worry about it. :)
-CR
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I wouldn't bother re reading anything, I checked all the Wikis I know and none of them listed any reg numbers other than Titan
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I think for now you will have to make the regs up, i would keep the Luna's reg close to the Titans one maybe NX-80100 or NX-80002
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Look's good CR, can't wait to see what the textures will look like. 13500 polys, I can think thats acceptable for a complex looking model like this, what size textures are you planning on using!? :D
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Really big textures - a 2048x2048 on each side of the saucer, and a 2048x2048 for everything else except bussards, impulse engines, grilles, and the registry, which will have its own 1024x1024.
-CR
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Here are some shots of the ship that show all of the glowy stuff that I just made (these are the easiest textures to make since you can use patterns and the blurring/hue/saturation/highlight/midtone tools a lot after drawing only basic jagged images).
-CR
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Nice one i was wondering when you do the textures to the torpedo launchers are you going to make the inside of them black and not that red glow that some people do, i hate the red glow on the newer ships.
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Those glow's look pretty good, It's coming on quite nicely!! :dance
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Awesome. I'm starting to like the actual ship design now. (Always liked the model quality just not the actual design). I'll definatley be gettin this on release.
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eeks - vortex, you should use a different color than blue... it can barely be seen...
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Sorry. How's this lol.
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Looking Good :)
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Looking great Russell. I can't wait for the rest. How many textures do you plan on making for this one though? Just out of curiosity. I'd tell you why I'm asking, but I'd probably get an "I know that already, but thank you" LOL
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Looking great Russell. I can't wait for the rest. How many textures do you plan on making for this one though? Just out of curiosity. I'd tell you why I'm asking, but I'd probably get an "I know that already, but thank you" LOL
The glow textures are separate so that they won't look wierd when speculars activate (when an engine glow is part of a hull plating texture and a specular is made for that texture, the engine glow will not look right when speculars activate) - the impulse engines are a 512x256x32, the deflector is a 256x256x32, the grilles are a 512x128x32, and the bussards are a 256x256x32.
Since the top of the saucer flows into the stardrive so well, I'm putting that onto a single large texture map, probably a 4096x2048 as it stands right now (there's a bunch of other stuff on this map too - whatever I can squash into it). The bottom of the saucer will be a 2048x2048, and there will be another texture (either a 2048x1024 or 2048x2048) that will include everything else. I may release a "High" version that has textures that are 25% normal area, and leave the really big ones as an "Ultra" version - I was looking on BC Files and saw that the CG Sovereign ultra textures included a 4096x2048 version of "hull_glow.tga" so I think that I could get away with this as well. Oh yeah, and the registries will be either 1024x1024 or 2048x1024.
-CR
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So how are the textures going mate.
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Need to take that updated from the title, as it seems like it were updated now. hehe
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Nice job on the modeling CR, it's really great to see you building stuff from scratch, you've got lots of talent. the mesh looks very clean, and knowing you the textures will be top notch.
But God that ship is ugly. :D
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Looks good! Interesting design. Kind of looks like a Nebula, Akira, Centaur hybrid
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Nice job on the modeling CR, it's really great to see you building stuff from scratch, you've got lots of talent. the mesh looks very clean, and knowing you the textures will be top notch.
But God that ship is ugly. :D
I honestly don't know why I like this design LOL.
So how are the textures going mate.
I haven't been doing anything on this ship for the last week or so; I've been swamped with tests (got another one tommorow in pharmacology/medicinal chemistry). I've also started modelling new guns for Far Cry (I just finished .357, .44, and .50 barrels for a Desert Eagle last night - a real pain in the ass) so that's sort of got me a little distracted right now.
-CR
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Looks great so far!!! :D
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Are you going to make a bridge to.
Great job on the luna. I love this class.
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Are you going to make a bridge to.
unlikely - the 3rd Era Team have enough on their list as it is...
altho, maybe a Sovvy Bridge retexture might not be a bad idea?
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The Luna Class is from the Titan novels as I recall, so i don't think we have ever even seen a bridge for this ship.
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It was described as looking like the Sovereign bridge, but smaller and with ramps instead of stairs.
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Is their a release date yet, or is it to soon to say?
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Not yet; as I said earlier I've been busy with modelling guns for Far Cry, and just today I was able to get some work done.
I'll probably start textures for this ship in a week or so - it's going to be a very long drawn-out process since the texture maps I'm making are huge.
-CR
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Is their a release date yet, or is it to soon to say?
just an FYI - it is sort of a general "rule" to never ever ask that about any WIP lol
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Looking forward to seeing your textures for the Luna Class CR. Btw, nice modding, truly a kick-ass gun!! 8)
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I'm getting close to finishing that gun; PSYCHO saw it earlier today and might be interested in using it for the Immersion modification - we'll have to wait and see since I've spared almost no detail in making this gun and it right now has 9515 polygons and I still haven't modelled the magazine and part of the inside of the frame.
-CR
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Pretty good eagle there Russell.
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How the HECK do you guys do this like it's so easy? I can't even make a Saucer yet LOL. What tutorials are you using Russell? You've went from Retexturer, to Modeler in LESS than a year, me, I'm slow at learning :P.
That gun looks sexy man...*shakes his head* dayum!
Roger
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I have a decent math background in solid analytic geometry and vector/tensor analysis so surface manipulation is very easy for me, which is why I was able to learn how to model quickly - also if you guys still want to drool over the Desert Eagle models you can do so here:
http://teamlynxifer.co.uk/bcc/index.php/topic,962.0.html (http://teamlynxifer.co.uk/bcc/index.php/topic,962.0.html)
As far as tutorials go I messed around in Milkshape for a while until I got the hang of the main tools that I use in that program, and also talked to LC a lot about modelling (back when I first started out and made all those shitty models that were loaded with smoothing errors, like the Intimidator V1.0).
-CR
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I have a decent math background in solid analytic geometry and vector/tensor analysis so surface manipulation is very easy for me, which is why I was able to learn how to model quickly
-CR
In Lamen's Terms please? :P LOL just kidding, although I wasn't too great in math I'm afraid. What you have done is looking hecka good though man, keep up the good work :).
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Are you planing on make it abel to lurnch Shuttle and or escape pods? That be cool. 8)
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Good one, CR. This may just be the Angelwings C. With your permission later, of course.
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What, No it a luna class :?
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No, Mustang does retextures, everyone of his ships have been Angelwings. So it would be the USS Angelwings C, the Luna class starship.
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wonderfull work russ. send me some pix over msn that you feel would be best for a bcfiles news item.
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Hey CR when you get a chance i need to talk to you on MSN. Chris Jones is interested in using your Luna for the Ultimate Universe mod and would like to speak with you.
-Meteorafallen
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Good one, CR. This may just be the Angelwings C. With your permission later, of course.
Angelwings-C? What the hell would a Luna-class be doing replacing a Kelvin Refit or an Intimidator, both of which are many times more powerful with much larger armaments than a Luna.
LOL. Sure you can make a registry for this ship after it's released.
-CR
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Exactly how many of those ships will they have to build in a five year period, anyway? That's one posting I sure wouldn't want. :D
Is it called the Angelwings because if you serve on it for more that week you're likely to get blown up and get angel's wings? :lol:
"Captain's Log, stardate 59143.2. We've left space dock for the first ti.... ARGGHHHHH!!!" *kaboom*
I suggest USS Deathtrap, or perhaps, USS Titanic.
please pardon the diversion, but... ahh, that felt good. i really needed to get that off my chest. hopefully i'm entitled to this kinda crap once in a while. :)
anyhoo, carry on lads.
btw, CR, where the heck are those pretty textures we all know you can do? I demand an explanation immediately, lest you find out there's only one way out of here, and that's in a body bag, from dog injuries.
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Lol. look who's talking DJ (Well, typeing actually), where'd that new supremus go? :P
You do have a point though
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blast! my hypocrisy has been uncovered! :D
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Are we going to have to mod the game Manuel or can we use some thing like BC Mod Packer? I hope Its the Mod Parker.
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Are we going to have to mod the game Manuel or can we use some thing like BC Mod Packer? I hope Its the Mod Parker.
What the hell are you talking about? :?:
All of my ships are in EXEs that install everything you need into your Bridge Commander folder.
-CR
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He's wondering if we need to install the ship manually by copying files and folders to their correct locations, or if it gets installed through BCMI or BCMP. Obviously you just answered his question :P
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ive been working on a Titan model for sfc im just waiting for the schematics to come out so i can use it for textures.
either way enuff of mine, yours looks awesome and love the modifications you have made, keep it up lookin forward to seeing this puppy textured and released
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ive been working on a Titan model for sfc im just waiting for the schematics to come out so i can use it for textures.
either way enuff of mine, yours looks awesome and love the modifications you have made, keep it up lookin forward to seeing this puppy textured and released
Schematics are out, They've been out since the winner was announced
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/40950451/?qo=38&q=by%3Astourangeau&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
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LC may be tweaking this model and putting the textures on it, since I've lately been really immersed in my Far Cry project. However, Star Trek Excalibur is not due out for many months, so I will likely still have plenty of time to texture this thing exactly the way I want it, and make lots of nice registries for it.
The next post in this thread should be either LC or me with some updated progress on this ship. :arms:
-CR
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Schematics are out, They've been out since the winner was announced
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/40950451/?qo=38&q=by%3Astourangeau&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
they are only concept schematics, the ones being released with the book will be 3d model renders which i need for textures for my model, too bad ST titan's next book is scheduled for release at the end of the year i hope that changes to a sooner release date
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Okay, here's something that might interest everyone. After some careful drawing tonight on one of the 2048x2048s that I have prepared for texturing this ship, I've done most of the top of the stardrive, all of the RCS thrusters, and part of the Akira bumps. The hardest part about texturing a starship for me is actually sitting down and starting the job - same thing goes for me with writing papers/reports; finally I have started on this, and it should be done within a couple of weeks. I have made a completed hardpoint for this ship as well, so all that's left is texturing, icon, and registries.
-CR
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Blessed be! You are so bad@ss, CR.
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Blessed be! You are so bad@ss, CR.
Dont feed his ego LOL.
Seriously though, this is gonna f***ing rule CR.
Now just gotta wait for the SNS MVAM galaxy now.
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im in love. Great job CR cant wait to see her in BC and Legacy i hope
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wow! youre making what i previously thought as an ugly design, look really good!!
excellent! :)
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Way to go CR. You're actually making the beast a beauty.
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Damn nice.
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Damn, it's gonna be hard for the people who wanted a Luna-class just to destroy it, to actually destroy that.
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Damn, it's gonna be hard for the people who wanted a Luna-class just to destroy it, to actually destroy that.
Don?t bet on it... hehe
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Way to go CR. You're actually making the beast a beauty.
Couldn't have put it any better myself, Superb work Russell, Keep it up!!. 8)
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Don?t bet on it... hehe
QFT!
Will so be blowing this one to bits.
nice job, tho.
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I wont!!!
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Nice one, she is going to look great.
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Hey that's lookin real sharp. I think it would also be nice to see a variant with the warp nacelles swept upward.
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hmm the latest pics make the ship abit bubble looking, i suggest strectching or streamlining it a bit more
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hmm the latest pics make the ship abit bubble looking, i suggest strectching or streamlining it a bit more
Hmmmmmmm; no.
Here's another little update.
-CR
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this is awesome, you definitely made this awful kitbash into one hell of a ship, keep up the good work CR.
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cool. i like how you did the nacelle grills.
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IMO this ship is as much a Kitbash as any other vessel in the Fed fleet. The Saladin, Hermes, the Miranda, the Constellation, the Nebula, etc. are all kitbashes of the current Top-of-the-Line vessel. Looks good CR.
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cool. i like how you did the nacelle grills.
I thought the same thing. Nice work CR, lookin awesome!! 8)
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Another small update on the bottom of the stardrive; I really need to stop being so lazy about texturing this ship.
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CR you Rock!!, these textures are superb. Btw, will you be adding speculars to this pack!? 8)
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Knowing CR, he probably will :D
On a sidenote: I love the fact that you made an Edsel into a ship that actually looks good :P
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If I may make a suggestion Russell, just a bit of constructive criticism :). The windows, every cannon ship I've seen has had them rounded. I think it would look much better this way. Other than that, lookin hot! :)
Roger
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The windows have rounded corners; according to the cartoon views that I used to make this ship, most of the windows are squared with round corners (except the ones on the stardrive bottom and sides).
I've also already made high-contrast speculars for the textures that I've done; that last shot is it an angle where they don't activate however.
-CR
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It's been said before, but I'll say it again.
Damn, this ship is NICE.
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The windows have rounded corners; according to the cartoon views that I used to make this ship, most of the windows are squared with round corners (except the ones on the stardrive bottom and sides).
I've also already made high-contrast speculars for the textures that I've done; that last shot is it an angle where they don't activate however.
-CR
LOL Maybe it's just my eyes playin tricks on me ;) you can't really tell in those photos :arms: :P
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Looks outstanding!
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:shock: i love what you've done hope to see more and an orthographic view when done again great work
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I think it's fitting that you are using the Sovereign paint scheme on this ship. It looks awesome. I hope you still plan on having the MVAM captain's yacht... :P
Great Work as Always!
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Woah finally i started on one of these like six months ago and then got lazy lol! Anyway looks awesome CR can't wait for her to be finished since im also in the minority that is the Luna class fan club :hide
Ill be doing some videos with this when she finished. :P
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Hmm, please look out at the thread dates, we usually try to avoid necrothreading. 8)
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Not a bad take on my design. I am still partial to Ellery's, but not a bad job at all. Can't wait to see her in action.
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Russ was just telling me he needs to finish this yesterday...
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I'll try to get some work done on it in a couple weeks.
In the meantime, could a moderator lock this thread down before it gets any more shi**ed?
Thanks.
-CR
i had to censor out that one word...
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In the meantime, could a moderator lock this thread down
-CR
no probs - ill go ahead and split out the last few posts to where it was last ontopic...
CR - lemme know when youd like the thread reopened... :)