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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: JimmyB76 on July 30, 2012, 05:15:52 PM
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as has just been announced, DS9E carries on...
Mario and i have come to the conclusion that alot of the ships (mostly Federation) are a bit out if date by todays standards and as such we plan on switching out most of them...
we would like feedback - which current DS9E ships should be replaced by newer and better-looking ones?
this thread is for discussion, and all ideas will be taken into consideration...
thank you all in advance for any input, and links to suggestions would really be helpful :)
list of changes thus far:
Changes:
- corrected Galaxy Charts war simulator and DS9FX conflicts (aka hotfix #1)
- added septimus system and related things such as music, descriptions
- added mission 1 of the new campaign
- added mission 2 of the new campaign
- small updates and fixes
- added mission 3 of the new campaign
- added nero's kira set background change
- added starbase375 system
- added donatu system
- added pelosa system
- general fixes and cleanups
- code cleanups
- added mission 4 of the new campaign
Status: 30% Completed
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Excelsior and Centaur should be Wiley's I think.
The Galaxy should be DJ's.
Replace DS9 with Baz's
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I'm happy for DS9 to be used as well as my Excelsior (normal and refit).
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there are battles with a number of ships so hopefully alot of newer models wont cause too much a lag on some peoples systems lol i think thats why we had the ships we did then, but most people have since upgraded their pcs to be able to run a bit more than was possible then...
i suppose i could include a "Medium" folder for ships, and im assuming that shrinking down the textures by half should do the trick and hopefully wont impact too much on how the ship would look ingame...
cross that bridge later...
anyway, i just want to update as much as i can as far as ships :)
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Whatever the choice of ships just please pay attention to detail when it comes to balancing. A huge problem with this game is that everyone creates things the way they see fit and balance their creations against arbitrary markers they come up with from their own BC installs.
My brother has been attempting to create a ship replacement pack that replaces all stock 1.1 ships with their latest fan-made counterparts. Only problem is the balancing is completely whack. The Sovereign is a prime example as it can fly in circles around a bird of prey at top speed and pretty much insta-kill anything you throw at it.
I'm sure with the attention to detail you guys have it'll all be fine but just sayin'. If it's all meant to be balanced for KM balance it for KM etc. Not much is worse than ships with brilliant models and textures but some half-assed hardpointing. It's never ceased to amaze me. All that work into awesome models and textures and then to drop the ball when it came to basic hardpointing :picardfacepalm: :argh:
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the ship balancing will be pretty much the same as it all is for DS9E ships now as how they are currenttl...
whether or not that means they are balanced to KM ships or stock ships, i have no idea really... but all the ships in DS9E are balanced to each other in that mod as best as we could...
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Not much is worse than ships with brilliant models and textures but some half-assed hardpointing. It's never ceased to amaze me. All that work into awesome models and textures and then to drop the ball when it came to basic hardpointing :picardfacepalm: :argh:
HEY! im excused from this one.... EVERYONE knows i cant hardpoint for shite :P
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anyway, so im thinking Wileys Centaur and Excelsiors (Valley Forge and Lakota) are in... also wiley's akira is also in...
baz's ds9 is in as well...
i also want to be sure the right ships are chosen (as far as registries) from that era, which ill need help from the community for that...
Galaxy Class is still in debate-mode as far as which model... what do you guys think? i really like both DJs and Wileys but im just not sure which to choose... im also fond of baz's but i just cant decide... it should be MVAM and perhaps the Venture-varient? what do you guys think?
also, for the other ships?
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i really like both DJs and Wileys but im just not sure which to choose... im also fond of baz's but i just cant decide... it should be MVAM and perhaps the Venture-varient? what do you guys think?
If you were to use my ship, I'll have to add the Venture nacelle phasers, and do some slight remapping for additional registries. It's doable.
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ok so we'll go with Wileys ships for the Akira, Centaur, Excelsior, Lakota, Galaxy (Venture variant), baz's ds9, and i think thats where we stand for now...
need more suggestions for other ships? any other non-fed ones? i know there arent too many out there that are "recent"...
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What About Lint's Defiant? IT is the best out there imo.
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What About Lint's Defiant? IT is the best out there imo.
It's also grossly "over-polygoned". Yes, I know that's not a real word. The model certainly looks great, but then, given it's relatively high polycount, I pretty much expect that. Certainly there's gotta be a better alternative, to balance having a good looking ship + with large battles/amounts of ships?
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While I would love Wiley to make the Venture variant and do other registries for his Galaxy why not use DJ's since there are already the varients and registries done
EDIT - Wiley, what about using your Miranda class?
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yeah lint's defiant is just too high poly for this mod... LC's is decent and i think there are at least one or two out there as well? i cant recall offhand...
While I would love Wiley to make the Venture variant and do other registries for his Galaxy why not use DJ's since there are already the varients and registries done
i would go with DJs Galaxy, but it seems we are already using alot of Wileys ships so why not stick to that trend? lol
besides, Wiley is gonna do up a Venture variant, which is what we'll go with to replace the current Galaxy Class...
EDIT - Wiley, what about using your Miranda class?
wiley did a miranda class? where is that? how on earth did i miss that? we need do a miranda replacement...
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yeah but I was thinking that but variety is the spice of life. And we are using Wiley's work for all the other ships.
The Miranda was part of his TWOK pack he made ages ago. It is the best Miranda model we have ever had for BC
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I think we should stick with Wiley since we're going to use most of his stuff.
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I think Bazs' K'Tinga would be a could candidate for replacing the one that's in DS9E. Same thing with his BoP when it comes out.
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Jimmy, feel free to use my Oberths as well, after all, it has all the canon ships in their correct setups ;)
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I'd recommend TU's Warbird as a replacement for the current one.
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Cardassian Galor by serverandenforcer ?? (when finish)
Intrepid class by JB06 ?? (remember " Inter Arma enim silent leges" bellerophont intrepid class)
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the Intrepid Class isnt a part of the mod...
as far as the Galor, i would really prefer that the Cardassian ships all resemble each other closely in appearance at least (except of course the Hutet since there is only one that has veer been made for BC), so i dont know if any of them could be changed out unless all of them were...
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Why not include the Intrepid? Admiral Ross had one, USS Bellerophon, as his flagship. I believe it was seen in the episode where the Romulans try to force a base in the Bajor system.
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if you could provide a screenshot of something of that, that would be awesome!
and Voyager was docked at DS9 before getting lost in the badlands...
i suppose it could be included, i wouldnt mind, but that would be Mario's call...
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(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100211134551/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/b/b1/Uss_bellerophon_romulus.jpg/1000px-Uss_bellerophon_romulus.jpg)
The U.S.S. Bellerophon at Romulus. "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" was the episode, and Ross took Bashir there for some reason. Some kind of conference, Section 31 was involved, yada yada yada.
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ok it will be added in then...
which intrepid model out there is the best? JLS's?
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That or the one in the Aftermath mod. Best detail on an Intrepid Class evar!
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ok it will be added in then...
which intrepid model out there is the best? JLS's?
I say JLS's or LC's
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Our's is basically LC's... Only difference is the mesh was altered to look like the CGI along with new cgi textures ;)
If you use ours Jimmy, I'll make some Bellerophon regs ;)
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If you use ours Jimmy, I'll make some Bellerophon regs ;)
thank you!!
cheers :D
*many cookeez*
:)
btw - quick question
that one has FTech? it wont really be needed, i was just curious...
and i know i sound like an ass for not knowing better - i just havent installed mods to my BC install in quite a long time... i should know better tho, i know :doh:
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It does have ftech, but you just don't include it then ;)
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Hopefully this is the right thread to post this.
Along with fixing some minor mesh errors, I have ID mapped my Galaxy Class, and have created a Venture variant.
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd223/WileyCoyote1701/Meshes/Galaxy%20Class/wip7_Venture.jpg)
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It is the right thread. I'd like to point out 3 things though:
1. This is lovely
2. That was quick
3. Did I mention that this is lovely?
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and have created a Venture variant.
yes this!!!!!! :dance :yay: :bow:
your venture style model will replace DS9E's Galaxy Class, as well as be incorporated into Lurok's SP Mod... :)
and did mario mention how lovely this is???
just in case he didnt... lol j/k :P
it is awesome!!!! so very beautiful! and thank you! :D
i cant wait!! :D
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Well if it's going to replace the SP Galaxy maybe we can ask Wiley, very very VERY nicely, for a Dauntless reg too....?
BTW that seems to be a very lovely ship :D
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Pretty sure that's already happening, Walsh.
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:yeahthat: :D
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Can I just say...what a lovely ship ;) And quick too. And when can I get my hands on it? :)
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An ID mapped Connie and now Galaxy, Mr Wiley you are really spoiling us! :yay:
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An ID mapped Connie and now Galaxy, Mr Wiley you are really spoiling us!
Wait 'till Christmas. :santa:
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;) :) :funny christmas 2012, we hope !
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Wait 'till Christmas. :santa:
Will be the longest 4 months ever! :funny
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Holy crap, that is the sexiest galaxy class I have ever seen. They should use it in STO! Anyway, lovely ship Wiley. That's why I never bother with a Galaxy Class, so many beautiful versions of the ship already. Although, gonna have to ask you how you managed that pattern on the bussard collectors. Think I like those better than the ones on my Rigel Class :rotflmfao:.