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As most of us have seen in the teaser for JJ Abram's upcoming Trek movie, the original Enterprise was obviously -to some extent- built on Earth, namely at the famed San Francisco Naval Shipyards. Now, I have seen some fans complain that this was, in fact, not canonical to see it depicted as such.
Is that true? Well, let's examine some examples:

1. Ships are regularly built planetside, as shows this image of Utopia Planitia


2.
Quote from: Memory Alpha
According to The Making of Star Trek, the Enterprise was built on Earth but assembled in space.
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3. It has never been established on-screen that the original Enterprise was completely constructed and assembled in space.

4. It would make sense to construct the ship planetside but assemble it in orbit. Why you ask? 
   Well, it's quite simple, actually: Having assembling crews in a zero-g environment construct each and every component   
   by hand  in EVA-suits would be way too impractical to actually pull it off. Instead just assembling the bigger   
components in low orbit would even profit from the low gravity and could be done by worker bees or somesuch.


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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2008, 10:47:48 AM »
Well we see that Galaxy being assembled on a planet so why wouldn't a connie be assembled on a planet 150 years earlier???


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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2008, 10:55:53 AM »
Well we see that Galaxy being assembled on a planet so why wouldn't a connie be assembled on a planet 150 years earlier???

Exactly that is why I am trying to convey :)

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2008, 10:59:18 AM »
That appears to be exactly what the next film will portray, as well.

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 11:06:30 AM »
I know, I know. Just putting up this thread for all whiners that cry around that it was un-canon.

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2008, 12:05:33 AM »
 Parts of the ships were built on the planet, however, it all comes together in drydock in orbit. Launching a ship the size of a Galaxy Class from a planets surface would be a disaster, uncless the inertial dampers and the structural integrity field could keep gravity fron tearing it apart.
  Voyager's design, and its size allowed it to go interplanetary! Enterprise too was interplanetary, I believe the sovereign is able to go interplanetary aswell. Defaint probably. but the Galaxy Class, i have my doubts.

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2008, 12:57:34 AM »
If it can provide 1.something G of acceleration in any axis, I don't see why it can't go interplanetary atmospheric flying as well.

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2008, 03:18:19 AM »
 i forgot to factor the axis and G acceleration in. I  feel like an idiot lol. I gotta remember my basic physics class last year in school.

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2008, 04:17:24 AM »
Parts of the ships were built on the planet, however, it all comes together in drydock in orbit. Launching a ship the size of a Galaxy Class from a planets surface would be a disaster, uncless the inertial dampers and the structural integrity field could keep gravity fron tearing it apart.
  Voyager's design, and its size allowed it to go interplanetary! Enterprise too was interplanetary, I believe the sovereign is able to go interplanetary aswell. Defaint probably. but the Galaxy Class, i have my doubts.

Wat has a galaxy to do with a constitution-class ship anyways?

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2008, 04:54:43 AM »
Parts of the ships were built on the planet, however, it all comes together in drydock in orbit. Launching a ship the size of a Galaxy Class from a planets surface would be a disaster, uncless the inertial dampers and the structural integrity field could keep gravity fron tearing it apart.
? Voyager's design, and its size allowed it to go interplanetary! Enterprise too was interplanetary, I believe the sovereign is able to go interplanetary aswell. Defaint probably. but the Galaxy Class, i have my doubts.

Wat has a galaxy to do with a constitution-class ship anyways?

Lots of things.

Both named Enterprise
Both established speed records in their days
Both made formitable combat vessels
Both made more history than any other class of ship
Both were said to be "Queens of the Fleet"
Both were flagships.

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2008, 05:09:39 AM »
Parts of the ships were built on the planet, however, it all comes together in drydock in orbit. Launching a ship the size of a Galaxy Class from a planets surface would be a disaster, uncless the inertial dampers and the structural integrity field could keep gravity fron tearing it apart.
  Voyager's design, and its size allowed it to go interplanetary! Enterprise too was interplanetary, I believe the sovereign is able to go interplanetary aswell. Defaint probably. but the Galaxy Class, i have my doubts.

Wat has a galaxy to do with a constitution-class ship anyways?

Lots of things.

Both named Enterprise
Both established speed records in their days
Both made formitable combat vessels
Both made more history than any other class of ship
Both were said to be "Queens of the Fleet"
Both were flagships.

In light of this specific discussion.

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2008, 05:25:55 AM »
both were massive constructions which were allegedly built on a planet's surface...

it seems to make perfect sense to me to build it on the ground. TBH if in 200 years there's ships that can fly half way across the galaxy but can't get into orbit of a planet on their own...it's a bad job!
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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2008, 06:02:52 AM »
 True, but i just cant begin to imagine a ship as large as a galaxy or a conni launching frome the surface. The thrusters would dig into earth, skyscrapers will fall due to the percussion.

DAMN I'D LOVE TO WHITNESS SUCH AN EVENT!
the ship would literally cover the sun as it goes off into the unknown of space!
GOSH! SOOOO GLORIOUSE!

anyway. I can get what ur sayin there. The Galaxy and the Conni have alot in common. More than any of us think!

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2008, 06:13:18 AM »
Can we please stay on-topic, here?

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2008, 06:55:37 AM »
 To tell you the truth, I think the ship MAY have been built on earth. Judging by the Star Trek XI trailer, its looks like it was built on the surface. But, the TOS books i'v read states that the ship was built in Drydock Sigma, San Fransisco Shpyards in earth orbit. and the TMP Enterprise was probably also built or just assembled in that drydock. Too many sources say something different. It would probably be easier building it on the surface. But I still support that the Enterprise was built in orbit.
       

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2008, 06:56:05 AM »
It would be similar to the way the build modern warships, like the new Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers, they will be built in "blocks" by the contracter and assembled in dry dock before being launched and fitted out, makes sense to handle the "blocks" of a starship in a similar fasion.

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2008, 06:58:47 AM »
True, it makes for easier, quicker, andmore efficient production without having to built it in the water/ open space. But the question still stands, Where/ how did they build the Original Enterprise?

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2008, 07:05:28 AM »
I think its reasonable that the 1701 could have been constructed on earth and then somehow launched, if something the size of a galaxy class can,
I cant why see a constitution class couldn't..

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2008, 07:20:15 AM »
True, it makes for easier, quicker, andmore efficient production without having to built it in the water/ open space. But the question still stands, Where/ how did they build the Original Enterprise?

No canon information exists on the subject, except the one I have elaborated on in my original post. Well will see it in the movie, methinks.

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Re: Original Enterprise built on Earth? - Debate your heart out.
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2008, 07:33:12 AM »
Hopefully so. I hope the movie solves this question. Which it should lol.

"According to The Making of Star Trek, the Enterprise was built on Earth but assembled in space."

source: Memory Alpha
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)
look under Early History.



You realize, I just mentioned that source in my first post, don't you?

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