Enterprise and the Dominion war?

[Psyco Diver]

most of the action on DS9 involved the 5th 7th and 9th fleets, maybe the Enterprise was in a different one at the time.

I would imagine when the some of those fleets took heavy losses (7th fleet went from ?250? ships down to ?15? in one battle) They used the other fleets to rebuild the battle fleets. I'm sure they never transfered the enterprise though because its more than just a advanced ship, its a important ship commaded by a important and famous captain. Taking it as a loss would be a crushing blow to the morale of the fleet. I believe I remember them saying in a episode that the enterprise was part of the 3rd fleet or something like that

[Ryles]

Hearing the that flagship was skulking around "safe" parts of Federation Space, instead of leading the charge, would arguably be as bad for morale as hearing that she had been destroyed. Remember, the flagship is supposed to be the best ship, with the best crew in the entire fleet.

The misconception that they were "too good" for tough duty, or that every one else was expendable could spread pretty quickly.

[newman]

I'm finding it funny that such a peace-loving institution as Starfleet would name one of their ships after a man best known for genocide and slaughter of the Aztec people.

[Dalek]

Starfleet is like the workforce of the UFP. Like the Army to a Government. I imagine the UFP peoples wouldn't want to be naming ships unless its a special ship so Starfleet gets to pick the names.

It's possible that the Cortez could not be referring to said conquistador. Could be anything else such as the other name for the Gulf of California or the American pop musician "Dave Cortez" (although unlikely for the UFP to name a big ship after a musician ).

[DJ Curtis]

I know exactly where the big E was during the war.  Just watch ST:Insurrection.  As for the rest of the war that didn't take place during the time-frame of the movie, there's no way to know.  The ship was never mentioned.

That being said, I think that the line "put out one more brush fire" probably indicates that the Enterprise, perhaps because of her speed and multi-mission capacity, was assigned to try and cover the duties and missions of many other ships off fighting in the war.

[Psyco Diver]

Maybe thats it, quite a few "Hero" ships in WWII were put near the front lines, more as clean up or were used for escorts and such, then america dramatized their roles, of course new "hero" ships came to be during WWII. They were close enough to be quickly dispatched to a major battle to aid, but weren't thrown in harms way

[newman]

What "hero" ships would that be? If we're talking pacific theater, which was the most prominent naval war of WW2, that wasn't exactly an engagement where the superior US forces just kept on winning from the beginning. The Japanese navy was pretty damn dangerous and the US forces kept taking heavy losses, especially in the beginning. The US Navy couldn't exactly afford to keep "hero" ships off the front line - the most prominent hero ship of that era was the CV-6 U.S.S. Enterprise, which participated in almost every major naval engagement of that war. At one point it was the only surviving US carrier - the rest were sunk and until the US could commission new ones it was the only operational carrier on that side. Most other ships didn't see as much action and got sunk, with the big E managing to survive time and again, earning it the nickname "Lucky E". So I can't agree that "hero" ships of ww2 were mostly kept on the sidelines. They were in the thick of it from day one..

[Psyco Diver]

The Enterprise wasn't a hero ship to begin with, it was just a carrier that proved by the end of the war it was a hero ship, thats how most hero ships are born, other are built and over hyped by their goverments, like the yamato, Bismark, Turpiz, ect. Don't get me wrong these weren't JUST hyped ships, they were the biggest and the baddest of ships built, but the Yamato was kept from major battles (battle of the TIN can ships), Bismark was sunk in her first mission, and the Turpiz was never there and was to baddly damaged in dock to do anything and was out of the war. These ships were hyped, the Bismark wasn't suppose to engage any enemys, it was suppose to sink merchant ships, the Yamato kept turning away from battle, till its last battle when they foolishly sent her on a suicide run. After Pearl Harbor they managed to fix a few of those battle ships, they were rarely used for what they were built for though, they were sued for anti surface warefare for landing forces, and they let the carriers take care of anti aircraft, anti ship, and anti land combat. Lots of these hero ships were just used for softening targets. Of course theirs exceptions, like the biggest sea battle ever at Leyte Gulf (I think, I think I'm starting to mix things up)

[rubaiyat]

They get their asses wooped though (First battle of Chin'toka: cOWP array gouging out bits of the saucer, neck and underside of secondary hull).

But not destroyed, given I believe that was the USS Galaxy, which is assuming not a recommission sent to help rescue the Ent-E in Nemesis.

And I don't know about whooped, as in failing. Would there have been any ship that could take that kind of pounding any better? D'deridex's didn't, Akiras didn't, certainly not the smaller ships. The only ship that might have done better is the Sovereign and I'd be hardpressed to believe that given the incredible damage a Galaxy can take.

[candle_86]

there is an obscure refrance to the Enterprise in season 6, id have to look for it, but someone mentioned the Enterprise comming to aide something

[Bones]

now u mention that, I also recall there was something like that

[candle_86]

yea i got so excited thought id see the enterprise lol

[undedavenger]

For those interested in the "B-Canon" history in the books, this is from Memory Beta:

The Enterprise was dispatched to Betazed to liberate the planet from the Dominion. Assisted by Commander Elias Vaughn of Starfleet Intelligence, Counselor Deanna Troi made some of the most difficult decisions of her life to save her home. (TNG novel: The Battle of Betazed)

The Enterprise defended the Ba'ku people from the Son'a. (Star Trek: Insurrection)

(Stardate 52603.2) The Enterprise and the USS Columbia defended the Earth against an incursion by the Breen. (short story: "Eleven Hours Out")

So there's a little of what the Enterprise did.

[Daystar70]

Not to start a rant or debate, but, the novels are contradicted SO much by live that to even consider them canon in the slightest is setting yourself up as a fan for major dissapointment, an example : Dark Mirror, a mirror universe picard/ TNG crew novel Completely wiped out as being possible by Ds9's Mirror universe saga that basically made clear the Terran Empire was defeated because of Spock's peace protests, the current most recent USS TITAN novels i personally do not even WANT canon, they are also Nullified because that and that other crossover series i forget name, destroyed the Borg completely and STO brings the Borg back in 2409 for the first time since Voyager's finale "Endgame", now STO isn not technically "canon" but if one takes an educated guess and has to debate which of the two are closer to being canon, Titan series of novels or paramount heavily supported STO which worked WITH michael ocri one of the writers of Star Trek x1 to connect  "countdown" to STO and as a prequal, STO seems more officially supported.

BUT on the positive side, the STO staff are huge fans of the novels and trek "expanded universe" they have stated that "their" canon will take account books such as The Excalibur series in New Frontier or the Tales of the dominion war etc.

Sorry if this Seemed to turn into more of a run on rant My Adderall makes me Talky in the morning LOL. 

[undedavenger]

Actually, Titan goes hand-in-glove with the Destiny trilogy and its aftermath novels, as well as the Voyager and DS9 relaunch novels. For the first time, the novels are actually in cohesion.

As for STO, I still have doubts that it will ever be published. And it has already deviated severely from the novels. It makes the arbitrary and pat decision to keep up the stale and uninteresting Borg, as well as making enemies of the Klingons again. The books have done exactly and extremely the opposite of those two things. The novels are looking ahead to new stories, and new discoveries. STO is simply rehashing everything that has come before.

[Daystar70]

STO is scheduled for early 2010 and beta invites are out..it IS happenening friend..it IS.

[Daystar70]

STO had no intentions of following the Destiny and Titan series of stories, they are not canon storylines, a good read, but not canon, paramount seldom worries about staying true to pocket books lore changes, actually i can't think of one case where they DID..can you? i could be wrong.

[undedavenger]

Many games have been way past the Beta testing stage and been canceled. I have no problem with it, but I'll believe it when I see it. If it does come out, I'm pretty sure it will last about as long as Star Trek: Continuum.

I just wish CBS/Paramount would get its act together and make Trek cohesive again. If they want to pursue this new "JJVerse" timeline, fine. But let's have all the new stuff come out for it. Leave the Prime Universe to the fans to extrapolate. Instead we have, what, three, four different branches of Star Trek chronology? No wonder the franchise virtually crashed.

[Daystar70]

Well, DC comics has the same problem with its multible universe and constant Resets. But they endure. I feel it is far to late to make trek "cohesive" but maybe we should look at is as "Dynamic" and constantly in a state of flux. There really is no excuse for the continuality errors across the spectrum, Dr who's relaunch in 2005 has not only returned a series that is older than trek, but they COMPLETELY are 100% perfect in keeping continuality intact, to a degree that boggles my mind. The reason trek has issues is to many cooks in the kitchen..Dr who producer Russel T Davies paid close attention to hsi scripts and a dr who season is less number of episodes than 20+ trek, so you have quality vs quantity..Trek has allowed to many writers to "Plop" out seasonal scripts and not pay a lot of attention to established canon, This and the over liberty taking novels end up contradicting each other venomously. STO is happening, cryptic studios is fullly invested in it, comparing this to continuum and other failed beta plans is unfair, the enormous amount of support and marketing for this leaves very little doubt it may not launch, i would eencourage you to do more research into the status as of right now, it is practically ready to go.

[undedavenger]

I don't dispute that, but it seems to be following virtually in the same vein as BC, Armada, and Legacy. No really new ships, just slapdash kitbashes on existing ones. The only "new" ship I've seen is simply a futuristic remake of the Constitution. There is no vision involved. Star Wars Galaxies had much the same problem, an over-expansive idea peppered with re-tread plot devices.

I may give it a shot if there is a free trial, but screw paying monthly to play a game I've already bought, only to have to be subjected to juvenile and petty "gamers" online. The MMO idea is incredibly overrated, with few exceptions. Take World of Warcraft. Basically endless hack-and-slash. Sorry, that gets old in an hour or so. I'm much more interested in the direction the Excalibur project is taking.

Anyway, back on point. I think just as people are advocating that people embrace the JJverse, so should the fans consider the novels. They now have a direction, and more than any open-ended game, they are the only new content we're getting from the "prime" universe. Not only that, but most of them are very well-written.