Lets discuss the Consititution Class

[mckinneyc]

The thing is the Excelsior class was brought online 40 years after the first Connie had been launched. The Excelsior was basically the next generation of multi mission ship and could do everything the Connie could if not better. So why waste time and resources keeping a small class of starships updated and in service when numerous Excelsior and Miranda hulls had been commisioned and formed the bulk of the fleet.

[anazonda]

The thing is the Excelsior class was brought online 40 years after the first Connie had been launched. The Excelsior was basically the next generation of multi mission ship and could do everything the Connie could if not better. So why waste time and resources keeping a small class of starships updated and in service when numerous Excelsior and Miranda hulls had been commisioned and formed the bulk of the fleet.

Actually i think there were fairly few Excelsiors by the time the connie was retired, but with peace with the Klingons just around the corner Starfleet would have changed focus from combat heavy ships to more science/exploration oriented ships, like the Oberth and Miranda, building only few heavy ships.

Just look at the TNG era: How many ships have we seen total of the Galaxy Class in TNG and DS9 (pre Dom War)? The Galaxy Prototype (we never seen it, but it must have been there right?), The Enterprise, The Oddyse, The Yamato and the Venture... It was not until the Dominion Wars we saw more combat able ships, suchs as Galaxies, Akiras and the Defiant of cause.

Personally i think the it had not been until around the lost era (ENT C era) that Excelsiors went into mass production, because by then the design would have been refined and perfected enough to support the resources put in to production of thoose ships.

That would also explain why there are so many Mirandas around, because they, and the constallation class, would have made up the bulk of the fleet between TS:V and TNG: Cheap to build, Easy to modify, and only a small crew is required.

[Martyn_Myst]

during DS9 time period they would be useless as whole new line of ships came in : frigates/escorts - Steamrunner, Sabre ; destroyers - Defiant, Norway ; light cruisers - Intrepid ; heavy cruisers - Nebula/Akira ; Dreadnoughts/ formerly deep space exploration cruisers - Galaxy/Venture

i am just writing to point something out i would like to know where this bit of info was taken from because the nebula was not a heavy cruiser she was a light dreadnought support ship because the nebula is in basic terms a galaxy compacted up with a modular system for different jobs now before someone cries it was stated in a star trek novel during the dominion wars, its was even stated that an andorian admiral had one as a flagship of a fleet.

[Martyn_Myst]

as people can see as well my avatar picture is of a connie refit using post nemesis tech so maybe after the war the federation had to replace many destroyed ships so they brought out mothball ships and then spent the time outfitting them to replace the gaps left over untill they rebuild the proper ships

[majormagna]

The story behind the Excalibur class is that it's just a modification of the design, not a refit of the Constitution class.

Also:

it was stated in a star trek novel during the dominion wars, its was even stated that an andorian admiral had one as a flagship of a fleet.

Sorry but novels mean nothing in canon, take Shatners "The Return" where Kirk comes back and destroys the Borg, not canon.

I'd say a Nebula is a multi-mission modular cruiser, as it can be fitted with combat or sensor modules (And possibly others, perhaps a shuttlebay module, to hold a number of fighters?)

In my opinion, the Constitution class was too small a class to be continuously refitted. But your remark about Starfleet being low on ships and pulling others out of mothballs doesn't seem TOO far-fetched.

[Psyco Diver]

In my opinion, the Constitution class was too small a class to be continuously refitted. But your remark about Starfleet being low on ships and pulling others out of mothballs doesn't seem TOO far-fetched.

That I can believe, even in the start of of WWII, America brought a bunch of WWI and pre WWI ships out of moth balls and refitted them, and used them for shor bambardments and fleet escorts in secured territory where the threat level was low. The USS Texas comes to mind on this, a old WWI Battleship, but it was so slow it was said it couldn't even keep up with the liberty ships, it was refited with AA guns and used for harbor defense and shore landings. Its possible, esspecially with the losses the federation took to their main battle fleets in the begining of the war, especially when some of the shipyards were destoryed. I can see them running planet to planet on the other side of the federation territory doing what the Excellsiors, Mirandas, ect were doing pre war

[Martyn_Myst]

with the losses the federation took to their main battle fleets in the begining of the war, especially when some of the shipyards were destoryed. I can see them running planet to planet on the other side of the federation territory doing what the Excellsiors, Mirandas, ect were doing pre war
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true i mean what ambassador or civilian wouldn't like to ride on a connie during a short flight to a meeting or short transport mission i mean connies were the best ship the federation had and a living legend......well the few they had left anyway

[King Class Scout]

they've got a point.  canon states that there were only thirteen OS style constitutions, and all but Enterprise herself were lost or destroyed.  we know the fate of several of them (Connie Intrepid was destroyed with all hands by a Space Amoeba, Connie Defiant fell into the mirrorverse 100 years before TOS, etc).  in-house fanon (by the trek actors) adds an enterprise M as a museum ship (which promptly falls to "the Kirk Effect", being the ONLY ship available, with James T nowhere in sight)

canon is technically dead for the original-vese and the Mirrorverse.  all we have now is the JJverse if your being strict about canon.

[Martyn_Myst]

they've got a point.  canon states that there were only thirteen OS style constitutions, and all but Enterprise herself were lost or destroyed.  we know the fate of several of them (Connie Intrepid was destroyed with all hands by a Space Amoeba, Connie Defiant fell into the mirrorverse 100 years before TOS, etc).  in-house fanon (by the trek actors) adds an enterprise M as a museum ship (which promptly falls to "the Kirk Effect", being the ONLY ship available, with James T nowhere in sight)

canon is technically dead for the original-vese and the Mirrorverse.  all we have now is the JJverse if your being strict about canon.

yeah i agree i mean jj has opened up a large and interesting story maybe now the vulcans will change their stanse on weather time travel is logical uh hello narada just took out your home world and she was 100 and something years ahead of you!