What ship would you used for being pulled to the Delta quad?

[ACES_HIGH]

In the TMP era they all have fairly medium size crews, 200-600 people.

[Bones]

in addition to crew problems in TMP I might add that they would have much bigger problem on their heads ;) Voyager had plenties of high tech like replicators, holodecks, extra modern toilets etc. etc. and after bigger fights they could quickly replace damaged parts. Now in TMP they only seem to have modern toilets so I don't see any way to replicte, replace more than half of the damaged ship, then what ? BSG starts with it's 'falling apart ship' plot ;)

[Morgan]

Well, I just said the Excelsior would have the best chance, I didn't say it'd succeed  ;)

Any of those TMP ships stuck out their, honestly their crews would probably need to settle eventually. No replicators for food/parts for the Excelsior, Constitution, and Miranda, and I seriously doubt a Oberth would last long out there (hell it got blown out of the sky from a single shot from a Klingon Bird of Prey).

[ACES_HIGH]

Constitution stands a better chance at growing food because of the arboretum deck, Excelsiors probably would have something like that too, but Mirandas certainly wouldn't.  When it comes to spare parts, the Constitutions would stand a better chance then the Excelsiors because they are more simply built.

[Bones]

yeah and as we seen in ST3, they patched old lady with bare plates (partially) arboretum can be easyli transformed to huge hydroponics garden to grow as much food as possible.

[Morgan]

Well even with the arboretum aside, a TMP era ship (still in the TMP era mind you) would be using the old TOS warp scale. Remember that warp 9 on that scale is equivalent to about warp 7 on the TNG scale, so it would take those ships considerably longer to cross the distance back to the Alpha Quadrant, definitely well over a century (vs. 70 years for a TNG era ship capable of warp 9+)

[deadthunder2_0]

grumble...speed chats...grumble

TNG Chart
Earth to alpha centuri

Speed
Warp    Speed(*c)       Time
.5     0.099        43.64 years
1    1                4.33 years
2    10.08        156.91 days
3    38.94        40.61 days
4    101.59        15.57 days
5    213.75        7.4 days
6    392.5        4.03 days
7    656.14        2.41 days
8    1024                37.07    hours
9    1516.38        25.03 hours
10    ?                0

TOS chart
Earth to alpha centuri

Speed
Warp    Speed(*c)       Time
.5     0.125     34.64 years
1    1             4.33 years
2    8             197.69 days
3    27             58.57 days
4    64             24.71 days
5    125             12.65 days
6    216             7.32 days
7    343             4.61 days
8    512             3.09 days
9    729             52.07 hours
10    1000             37.96 hours
11    1331             28.52 hours

JJ Chart
(to vulcan-18 lightyears
Warp 8- 3 min (very fast)

[Morgan]

JJ Chart
(to vulcan-18 lightyears
Warp 8- 3 min (very fast)

Alternative Universe #1, I was under the impression we were talking about the prime universe. Also the movie never gave a specific maximum warp (the website isn't canon) and it never specified how long the ship had been at warp, for all we know Sulu was just giving a general status report to Pike after a 4 day trip 

[Bones]

Well even with the arboretum aside, a TMP era ship (still in the TMP era mind you) would be using the old TOS warp scale. Remember that warp 9 on that scale is equivalent to about warp 7 on the TNG scale, so it would take those ships considerably longer to cross the distance back to the Alpha Quadrant, definitely well over a century (vs. 70 years for a TNG era ship capable of warp 9+)

Not to mention optimal speed for Constitution is warp 5-6 and max speed is around 8 ;) even if it would survive it would become a generations ship.

[Morgan]

Not to mention optimal speed for Constitution is warp 5-6 and max speed is around 8 ;) even if it would survive it would become a generations ship.

I'd love to see a TMP era try to make it through Borg space. If they were to TRY to make it back to the Alpha Quadrant, it might be best for them to try to head for the Gamma Quadrant and take the wormhole back, that way they can (presumably) avoid Borg space all together. Of course they still run the risk of running into the Dominion. Of course they'd have to know about the wormhole in the first place...

[Darkthunder]

Only problem with a TMP-era ship trying to get to the Gamma Quadrant and use the wormhole... is that Starfleet didn't find the wormhole until well into TNG-era.

[deadthunder2_0]

are we all forgetting this ship

or this

[Morgan]

Only problem with a TMP-era ship trying to get to the Gamma Quadrant and use the wormhole... is that Starfleet didn't find the wormhole until well into TNG-era.

I hate to quote myself but:

Of course they'd have to know about the wormhole in the first place...

 

[ACES_HIGH]

Not to mention that's the long way, at least a good 140,000 light years instead of 70,000, then again, by the time they find it, Starfleet would have found the alpha quadrant end, thereby increasing their chances of rescue.

[deadthunder2_0]

question, how come it only took a few hours in ST5 to get to the center of the galaxy?
If so it will be about twice the time it took the A to get to the Great Barriar

[Darkthunder]

question, how come it only took a few hours in ST5 to get to the center of the galaxy?
If so it will be about twice the time it took the A to get to the Great Barriar

This was the same movie that had the Enterprise having over 80 decks. That movie was so full of errors and mistakes, it's not even funny. Add to that, being considered among the weakest/worst of the 11 Star Trek movies to date.

[deadthunder2_0]

ok, just asking about speed, never said it was good
oh yeah, neb, the galaxy is only 100,000 lightyears across

[Morgan]

This was the same movie that had the Enterprise having over 80 decks. That movie was so full of errors and mistakes, it's not even funny. Add to that, being considered among the weakest/worst of the 11 Star Trek movies to date.

QFT. I don't even consider Star Trek V to be canon for those very same reasons.

Not to mention that's the long way, at least a good 140,000 light years instead of 70,000, then again, by the time they find it, Starfleet would have found the alpha quadrant end, thereby increasing their chances of rescue.

Umm...no lol. From what I've always seen on maps the distance between Voyager and the wormhole always looked the same as the distance to the Alpha Quadrant. I've always rationalized Janeway not heading for the Gamma Quadrant by assuming:

1. It's the same distance to the wormhole as the straight shot home, so there is no point in going to the wormhole.

2. Voyager was lost very soon after the Odyssey was destroyed by the Dominion, and Starfleet was still trying to figure out the threat they possessed. Janeway didn't want to risk encountering them 70 years later in what-would-be an obsolete ship.

[ACES_HIGH]

from the various sources I've read over the years, she was trying to go the other way, through the beta quadrent, and since that's friendly territory, it makes a little more sense. I always assumed that Voyager was deposited somewhere in the middle of the delta quadrent, and that the Bajoran wormhole was somewhere in the middle of the Gamma Quadrent, in fact, in the first Episode, Dax says that they were sent almost 70,000 lightyears through the wormhole.  If you go by Star Trek Star charts, it follows that same idea.

[Psyco Diver]

 What about a non Federation ship?

I would probably use a Romulan warbird, its big, its bad, and it can hide. Maybe a Vorcha after that since it was built for the long haul, it was built to battle so its extra tough