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What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« on: October 20, 2012, 04:28:42 PM »
Like with everything, there are always changes things that people would like to be different. And I don't mean big changes, but more ones that would barely affect the plot or the episode/film in general.

I've just re-watched First Contact (I'm watching all of DS9 for the first time, the uniforms have just changed so I thought it was a good time for watch the FC Blu-Ray) and I was thinking about how nice it would have been to have at least one other cast member from DS9 beamed over from the Defiant. While I would think having most of the cast (especially Sisko) would require the script to be altered vastly, there was another person they could have placed on the Defiant: Miles O'Brien.

I also think that the scene where Picard is telling a random officer (Googling suggests his name is Lt Daniels) to "use hand-to-hand combat if you have to" would be the perfect scene to put him into (along with replacing the random Defiant officer during the battle), replacing Lt Daniels, who has a head injury and is bleeding. It would have been nice for the following reasons:

1. O'Brien is a great character, and is pretty popular.
2. He was a regular on The Next Generation.
3. Two main DS9 characters would have been on the Defiant.
4. Being told to pretty much "fight the Borg with your bare hands" while bleeding from a head injury would have been a great nod to the "torture O'Brien" episodes.

While this wouldn't have really changed the film at all, it would have just been....nice.

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2012, 04:48:05 PM »
Yep, that'd been good, but probably cost substantially more
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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2012, 08:18:57 PM »
And would've really interrupted DS9's schedule.  That's the big thing and why I think they only had Worf even though it makes no sense for him to be the ONLY character actually from the show on the Defiant.  I suppose it can be argued that Sisko would not have been given the assignment due to possible conflict of interest, but why no O'Brien?  Someone's gotta keep that ship running right.  Or Bashir?  Gotta have a doctor going into battle.

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2012, 08:26:53 PM »
I never have really understood where the Battle of Sector 001 fits in the whole timeline....
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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2012, 02:31:29 AM »
Somewhere around season 6 maybe ?

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2012, 03:30:35 AM »
Somewhere around season 6 maybe ?

The end of Season 5 (DS9) is also the beginning of the Dominion War. The events of First Contact clearly take place before the Dominion War. If we go by what most sources indicate as years, then Season 5 would be 2373 (same year as First Contact), while the war lasted between late 2373 and 2375. Insurrection takes place in 2375 at the end of the war (Riker mentioned "Dominion negotiations" and Picard mentions both losses to the Borg and Dominion).

DS9 Season 1 (same time-period as TNG Season 6)
DS9 Season 2 (same time-period as TNG Season 7)
DS9 Season 3 (same time-period as VOY Season 1) (Generations)
DS9 Season 4 (same time-period as VOY Season 2) (DS9's 'Way of the Warrior' mentions the recent destruction of the Enterprise-D)
DS9 Season 5 (same time-period as VOY Season 3) (First Contact)
DS9 Season 6 (same time-period as VOY Season 4) (VOY's 'Message in a Bottle' mentions the Dominion, and Romulans "not yet involved")
DS9 Season 7 (same time-period as VOY Season 5) (Insurrection)
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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2012, 03:40:28 AM »
If i remeber correctly, in one episode from ds9 was a reference to First Contact. Just cant remember which one...

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2012, 03:59:42 AM »
Why does everyone assume "Dominion negotiations" means the war is over?

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2012, 07:27:12 AM »
Found the reference to First Contact:

In Purgatory's Shadow

Another thing i would change:

At the end of Nemesis, the enterprise was supposed to be heavily refited. Shame they didn't do it.

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2012, 12:33:58 PM »
Why does everyone assume "Dominion negotiations" means the war is over?

I didn't say that. Thou I have seen DS9 repeatedly, and I don't recall a whole lot of "negotiating" other than at the END of the war.
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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2012, 01:06:10 PM »
I didn't say that. Thou I have seen DS9 repeatedly, and I don't recall a whole lot of "negotiating" other than at the END of the war.

Perhaps that may be so, but here's a reason why Insurrection doesn't occur after the war's conclusion.  "I'm going to ask Worf to delay his return to DS9 so that he can join us."-Picard

After the war ended, Worf went to Q'onos as Federation ambassador to the Klingon Empire.

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2012, 01:59:03 PM »
That really doesn't mean a thing. For all we know, Worf may have been headed towards DS9 first, before heading back to Q'onos. And if you wanna dissect the movie;

Worf: Captain.
Picard: Mr. Worf.
Beverly: Worf.
Picard: What the hell are you doing here?
Worf: I was at the Manzar colony when...

Now, setting aside the fact that we had ZERO mention of "Manzar colony" anywhere in Star Trek, prior to it's mention in Insurrection... What was Worf doing at this colony in the first place? Was he there as "Strategic Operations Officer" ? (unlikely, since the colony was likely close to the Ba'ku system which is quite some distance from DS9). Or was he there as "Ambassador to Q'onos" ? Neither of these questions can be answered, since they weren't revealed in any of the movies, or in the show.

Ever since seeing Insurrection, and DS9, i've had my assumptions about the "timeline" of the events surrounding the Dominion War. Unless otherwise proven, i'll stick with my assumptions. Insurrection also commented on that the So'na were producers of the narcotic, Ketracel White. A key commodity that is NECESSARY for the survival of the Jem'Hadar. As Troi rightly pointed out, why would the Federation be dealing with the So'na, who in turn are either helping, or helped the Dominion? If they are currently helping the Dominion, the Federation wouldn't be actively seeking an alliance with the So'na. On the other hand, if the war is over, the Federation would want all the allies it could get. (as even Picard mentioned, regarding the new species that Picard and his crew were hosting)

Finally, in Star Trek Nemesis, they made it perfectly clear it was well after the Dominion War, especially in regards to Remans being used as "cannonfodder".
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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2012, 03:08:05 PM »
I recall a line in insurrection that places it not long after the dominion war.  Just before the scene with the diplomatic dinner picard says something about them being able to do the job they signed up for (exploring and what not). 
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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2012, 03:35:17 PM »
Rapture was the first episode of DS9 that featured FC uniforms.  It was released on December 30th of 1996, a month after First Contact.  The Dominion War began half a season later, in June of '96.

Insurrection hit theaters in December of '98.  Deep Space Nine (and the Dominion War arc) ended six months later.

Thus the commonly accepted dates of:

FC - 2373
Dominion War - Late 2373 to 2375
Insurrection - 2375

...match both on-screen evidence and production dates.

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2012, 05:53:43 AM »
As hot as the Trill is in Insurrection, I'd have preferred that they had kept Barclay in as was the original plan. Maybe it was that Dwight was unavailable, but it would have been great to see him finally at a bridge station.

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2012, 09:22:05 AM »
Anybody read FC early script? Geordi La Forge (i think) gets injured and gets taken to a hospital in a city.
And the battle against the cube was a lot longer.
I'd like to see that.

And I'd like to see more of the hot trill in insurrection.

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2012, 11:37:37 AM »
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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2012, 11:54:01 AM »
Isn't she the the only navigaton officer in the TNG films to not be killed off?

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2012, 12:28:56 PM »
Isn't she the the only navigaton officer in the TNG films to not be killed off?

Unfortunately, she was on the ops console.

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Re: What small changes would you make to some episodes/films?
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2012, 09:44:00 PM »
Another thing to check as far as dates...is the Stardate during the films...

For those who don't know...
4-supposed to represent the century they're in...late 24th
1-season
000-999-just some random number picked out
.4 the time of day.

Star Trek First Contact the Stardate was 50893.5  (3 years after TNG's "All Good Things")
Star Trek Insurrection estimated somewhere around 52200 (5 years after All Good Things)

That would put Insurrection around the 6th season of DS9.

However, what i would have loved to see in the movie...a Tie-in in what the hell happened before Nemesis...and I don't mean the A Time To series that Pocket Books put out a while back ;)
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