Star Trek: Discovery Discussion (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[Tuskin38]

How about you chill, and quit commenting on every post I make about this "issue" ?

It was a blanket statement, not directed solely at you but at everyone (including me). That is why I didn't quote you and also said 'some people'.

I could never mesh the TOS style that well with what we saw in the TMP movies. IMO it was to far removed even back then.

IIRC Gene considered TMP to essentially be a reboot or visual reboot, though it never stayed that way.

Most sources put TMP 2 years after the 5 year mission, that seems like an awfully short time for Starfleet and the Federations entire design aesthetic to change.

The Connie refit is my favourite ship from the 23rd century.

[Tuskin38]

So I was looking at an image of Worf, and I noticed something, he has that that extra flap of skin above of the nostrils just like the DSC Klingons do.



And then I looked at Martok, so does he.



Obviously the DSC Klingon make up exaggerates it, but still they didn't make it up.

[Tuskin38]

Ethan Peck cast as Spock



https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-spock-1202904311/

https://deadline.com/2018/08/ethan-peck-mr-spock-star-trek-discovery-casting-1202445184/

[Darkthunder]

The one and only Spock: Leonard Nimoy

Pale Copy: Zachary Quinto

Copy of the Copy: Ethan Peck

Also... "We won't be seeing Spock in Season 2", producers said. Clearly that went out the airlock.

[Tuskin38]

Anyone can play Spock.

A character should not be tied to an actor.

Also... "We won't be seeing Spock in Season 2", producers said. Clearly that went out the airlock.

Kurtzman said at Comic-Con only a few weeks ago that we would see Spock.
Jonathan Frakes (accidentally) said months before that that we'd see Spock.

When did they say they wouldn't?

[Darkthunder]

I never said otherwise. Just stated an opinion, that Zachary Quinto was a pale copy of the character originally portrayed by Leonard Nimoy, and that in terms of this now 3rd casting of the character, he shares more resemblance to Quinto than he does to Nimoy. How his portrayal actually is, we'll see in Season 2.

When did they say they wouldn't?

Multiple times, long before Comic-Con. We would not be seeing Adult Spock, but possibly a kid Spock (in flashbacks).

One quote being this (from an article dated February 21st 2018):

"I've gone on the record with saying you guys are gonna get that answer," Kurtzman said in an interview with TV Guide. "When I said that, I knew we weren't gonna get that answer [until] Season 2. Which, by the way, doesn't mean you're gonna see Spock in Season 2," he added.

And back in April, was when news first broke about "Young Spock" in flashbacks: https://twitter.com/trekfan4747/status/985280028865957889

Then there's little gem from now (former) showrunner Aaron Harberts (dated February 15th 2018):

Speaking on the same subject, show runner Aaron Harberts told The Hollywood Reporter: “We certainly aren't confirming that we're even going to introduce Spock and we certainly are not casting that role, either.”

Bolded that last part for emphasis.

[Tuskin38]

We certainly aren't confirming

Which, by the way, doesn't mean you're gonna see Spock in Season 2

Bolding this for emphasis. They didn't confirm or deny Spock is going to be on or if they were casting him.

Those are both non-answers. Neither a confirmation or a denial.

[Darkthunder]

They did previously say (definitively) that we would not see Spock in Discovery Season 2, other than possible flashbacks. I'm not making this shit up, there are articles about this. Just that trying to find them through Google Search currently turns up 99.9% about the "new actor cast as Spock".

[Tuskin38]

Considering they just revealed him now, yeah it may have been a change made by Kurtzman after Aaron Herberts and Gretchen Berg were fired.

Which makes me wonder, what was their original plan? Not to show Spock at all? Seems kind of hard when part of the Season is about finding him.

They were only fired half way through filming, so half the plot would have already been written and shot.

[Tuskin38]

Damn Fuller.

Maybe it was a good thing he quit the show. It probably would have been even worse. He seems to be the root blame for most of the visual changes in the series.

[King Class Scout]

I ran into something that may explain what's been going on with Disco while I was researching a movie.  I think we have a case of "Technician versus Performer", here, that's putting people off.

a Technician wants everything "just so" and right, where a performer puts their heart and soul into something.  both versions create something people watch (or listen to) and enjoy.  the Star Wars/Star Trek competition is an example.  trek is considered a technician example, Wars a performer example.  Ironically, both George Lucas and Gene are Technician types(as may be Bill Shatner).  SW went "performer" pretty quick, despite GL's technician rebalancing of the original trilogy.

I think the reason we're having trouble with disco is that we're so used to trek being in the "technician"  style that the recent takeover of nearly everything by  performer types is putting people off.

[Tuskin38]

According to Eaglemoss the DSC Connie is 442 Meters long. So not quote the 480m estimated from the Polar Lights posters.

[Shadowknight1]

Damn Fuller.

Maybe it was a good thing he quit the show. It probably would have been even worse. He seems to be the root blame for most of the visual changes in the series.

Ugh.  I hate him for enforcing that on the Klingon fleet.  With the exception of the Sarcophagus, not a single one of the Klingon ships looks anything like a 23rd or 24th century Klingon ship.  The makeup and weapons I can live with(though the redesigned bat'leth is awful), but the ships are bad.  At least the Starfleet ships are, mostly, recognizable as Starfleet design.  Some of those Klingon ships look more like the flavor of the week ships from Voyager.

[Tuskin38]

I disagree that they look like something that would pop up on voyager.

Other then 8472, I don’t think voyager had any ships that looked that different or alien.

[Tuskin38]

Rainn Wilson says there is announcement related to Mudd coming Thursday, I'm guessing it's related to his Short Trek.
https://twitter.com/rainnwilson/status/1041415152636112896?s=21

Oh and the writer for the Mudd short was the guy behind the TNG Season 8 twitter account, and also a writer/producer on Rick and Morty
https://trekmovie.com/2018/09/15/rick-and-morty-writer-revealed-for-harry-mudd-episode-of-star-trek-short-treks-and-more/

[Tuskin38]

First Short Trek is out tomorrow, sadly only in the US and Canada.

Netflix said they were not part of their streaming deal.

[Tuskin38]

Klingons will have hair in Season 2, or at least L'Rell will

https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1048669980353597442

S2 premiers January 17th.

Trailer

[Darkthunder]

"Klingons shaved their head in a time of war"

Laughable excuse

TOS Klingons during a Cold War, had hair.
DS9 Klingons during the Dominion War, had hair.

[Tuskin38]

"Klingons shaved their head in a time of war"

Laughable excuse

TOS Klingons during a Cold War, had hair.
DS9 Klingons during the Dominion War, had hair.

They probably abandoned it between then and now.

<3



Why are you always so negative? It's really sad.

[Darkthunder]

Why do you keep responding to my "negative comments" ? It's really sad.

Also, it's not "always". Often sure, but not always. There are a few things I've seen in the new S2 trailer that gives me a sliver of optimism. If done correctly, I'll simply ignore Season 1 as "non-canon". Remains to be seen.