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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #420 on: January 26, 2019, 03:02:24 PM »
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I've figured out Disco.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #421 on: January 26, 2019, 09:31:13 PM »
Alright? What is it lol

Anyways Episode 2 was great as well, it felt like a classic Trek episode, the basic premise if you ignore the parts that could have only worked in DSC, would have worked in TOS or TNG.


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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #422 on: January 27, 2019, 04:42:36 AM »
*grins* easy.  CBS has a free stream of 2-1 on their youtube channel, so we sat down and watched it.  it hit me the same way that 1-1 did last year.

Discovery is a kitbash set in the novelverse!

all through disco is bits and pieces of TOS, TMP, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and JJR combined with Diane Duane, Diane Carey, Vonda Macintyre, Peter David and even nods to D.C. Fontana her own self.   

spotted exaples

 little Spock's "face your fears" drawing is of the Silicon-based life form that shares Vulcan with the Vulcan's that Diane Duane wrote into the Rihannsu quadrology and "Spock's World"

Pike having a female chief Engineer

Disco's alert graphics are the early TMP ones dyed yellow

the character interactions are pure Peter David

the non rubber-forehead species like Saru are pure Diane Duane.

the plotlines are ALSO pure Peter David with touches of Vonda Macintyre

etc.

this is WHY this show throws most modern Trekkies and quite a few older Trekkies off.  it's bits and pieces of the comic and novel authors combined with screen canon from both the little screen and the silver screen.  Trek has back catalogs of writing material going back to the trope-making conventions of the 70's.  and I bet most of you modern people have never sat down and read an old trek novelization!

the James Blish writeups of TOS eps and the "star trek logs" novelizations of the TAS eps by a high-end sci-fi author are worth it.
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Baz: space is vast there[sic] legs will be tired by the time they get to the next planet

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #423 on: January 27, 2019, 10:10:26 AM »
a small minority read the novels, so most people wouldn’t notice any of what you pointed out.

Hell, I’m a novel reader and didn’t notice any of that.

Regarding the alert graphics, they’ve also used the Red Alert versions, and have a black alert one as well.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #424 on: January 27, 2019, 11:21:43 AM »
Discovery is a kitbash set in the novelverse!
That doesn't surprise me.  DS9 and Enterprise had a habit of referencing things from either TAS or some novels if they liked the concept.  Since one of Discovery's writers helmed the Voyager novel relaunch, I'm not shocked to see this trend continue.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #425 on: January 27, 2019, 02:00:59 PM »
Tuskin: gotta remember, I've been a Trekkie since at least 1979 or 1980, thanks to catching TMP on our first color TV, so I have a couple decades worth of books under my belt more than anybody else

Morgan: welp, that explains the Peter David vibe :P
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #426 on: January 27, 2019, 02:23:47 PM »
I don't understand this one

"Pike having a female chief Engineer"

Did Pike have a Female Chief Engineer in one of the books/comics?
Or are you trying to say that having a a female chief engineer is copying Voyager?

Cause if it's the Voyager one.. So what? Are you saying no other series can have a Female chief engineering without it being a copy?

Also, they mentioned the Tardigrade in S2E2, so I guess they're not afraid about losing the lawsuit.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #427 on: January 27, 2019, 06:47:57 PM »
yes, actually, courtesy of DC Fontana!  one of the few times a novel was written for Pike's Enterprise.  even Bob April got two novels and a TAS episode!

"Vulcan's Glory" TOS/TMP #44, '89.  DC wrote in a female chief engineer on Pike's Enterprise, who's friends with Number One, and trying to hook up her and Chris.  this was back when trek was having a bad case of "Bridge Bunnies", so it was a pleasant surprise.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #428 on: January 27, 2019, 07:17:54 PM »
Speaking of Commander Nhan, she looks an awful lot like a Barzan.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #429 on: January 27, 2019, 08:08:30 PM »
Speaking of Commander Nhan, she looks an awful lot like a Barzan.

Memory-Alpha has her listed under Barzan so she most likely is.

Also, was it just me or was a Voyager door chime used in the second episode of this season?

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #430 on: January 27, 2019, 09:06:49 PM »
Also, was it just me or was a Voyager door chime used in the second episode of this season?
It was.  A lot of the sound effects heard on Discovery are from the TNG/DS9/Voyager era, which is a minor complaint of mine.  Some TOS-style sounds are present, but not much.  Instead of using TNG-era sounds to fill in the blanks, they could have used Enterprise sound effects.  Not ideal, but it'd be more appropriate for the era.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #431 on: January 27, 2019, 09:19:56 PM »
Memory-Alpha has her listed under Barzan so she most likely is.

Only because of their common sense guidelines

She looks like a Barzan, so M-A is going to call her one until the show or someone from the production says otherwise.

I agree that she looks like one and I'll believe she is one until otherwise.

It was.  A lot of the sound effects heard on Discovery are from the TNG/DS9/Voyager era, which is a minor complaint of mine.  Some TOS-style sounds are present, but not much.  Instead of using TNG-era sounds to fill in the blanks, they could have used Enterprise sound effects.  Not ideal, but it'd be more appropriate for the era.

I've also noticed a lot more uses of the classic Star Trek musical sting this season.

yes, actually, courtesy of DC Fontana!  one of the few times a novel was written for Pike's Enterprise.

There is a Pike and Co. focused DSC novel coming out this year that shows what they were up to during the war if you're interested.

According to the author over on TrekBBS, that while it's under the DSC licence, he has written it as a standalone as possible, you won't need to watch the show to understand it. There will be references, and it was written with advanced knowledge of Season 2, but people who want just a Pike focused novel will find what they're looking for.

It's called 'The Enterprise War'.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #432 on: January 30, 2019, 11:21:44 AM »
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #433 on: January 30, 2019, 12:57:04 PM »
Also got a different nose, and... oh right... HAIR!!!

Honestly could've done without either L'rell or Tyloq (Tyler/Voq) in this season. Prefer more focus on Pike and Discovery.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #434 on: January 30, 2019, 03:33:52 PM »
her nose looks the same to me.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #435 on: January 30, 2019, 04:19:26 PM »
If you look at low-res images, sure. But in the higher res versions, it can clearly be seen that her nose is a lot straighter in the S1 makeup.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #437 on: January 31, 2019, 05:23:02 AM »
anybody managed to catch a dorsal shot of the in-show model, yet?  I need a reference.  I'm doing a TOS deco-ed Crossfield.
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Baz: space is vast there[sic] legs will be tired by the time they get to the next planet

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #438 on: January 31, 2019, 07:57:37 AM »
So the reviewer over at ‘Ain’t it Cool News’, who has hated every episode of Discovery so far, says tonight’s episode (2x03) is his favourite, that he actually loves it, I honestly can’t tell if he’s being sarcastic or not.

anybody managed to catch a dorsal shot of the in-show model, yet?  I need a reference.  I'm doing a TOS deco-ed Crossfield.

This render is of the show used model
http://www.eaglemoss.com/uploads/150622505239379/original.jpg

I have the ship in STO if you need any other angles, you could also take look at the images of the replica model over at ANOVOS website, which was made from the show’s CG model.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #439 on: January 31, 2019, 04:33:27 PM »
thanks, man.  I haven't been able to get a proper view even in screenshots, and every shot or model I've seen so far has been a different take on what who thinks it's supposed to look like; the STO model looks different from the show shots, which looks different from artwork, which looks different from miniatures, etc.  I can get everything else but the dorsal aft engineering section that I actually need to see, specifically, the tops of the wings as show-lit, plus any Greeble panels.
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Me: mine [my bridges] would probably be simple to get the characters to use.  the only person that sits is the captian.
Baz: space is vast there[sic] legs will be tired by the time they get to the next planet