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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #440 on: February 01, 2019, 10:03:22 AM »
I give yesterday’s episode an 8.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #441 on: February 11, 2019, 04:18:38 AM »
I give yesterday’s episode an 8.

Agreed

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #443 on: February 14, 2019, 03:51:50 PM »
CBS has filed a motion to dismiss the Tardigrades Case

http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=tardigrades_dismissal_motion

They give reasons why.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #445 on: February 28, 2019, 11:09:22 PM »
Next week's episode spoilers:

Spoiler: show
Talos IV and Talosians next week. Their brain veins were moving like in TOS


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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #446 on: March 08, 2019, 08:39:20 AM »
Wow that episode last night.

So much for the people who think CBS don’t own the rights to TOS.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #447 on: March 09, 2019, 10:32:59 AM »
I absolutely loved "If Memory Serves".  There's obvious fan-wank in there, but it's an Enterprise season four style of fan-wank - the kind where the episode knows full well what it's doing, loves that it's doing it, and you can't help but love it for doing it.  That recap and cut to Mount's Pike was brilliant (and ballsy), and the scenes between him and Melissa George's Vina were outstanding.  I thought Ethan Peck did well as Spock too, and can't wait to see more of him.

I really, REALLY want a Pike show with Mount in the lead  :D

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #448 on: March 09, 2019, 01:05:11 PM »
My first 10 this season.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #449 on: March 18, 2019, 11:34:25 PM »
As expected, Anson Mount (Capt Pike), won't be returning for Season 3. A damn shame to be honest, as he is very much responsible for the improvement in Season 2 over it's first season. They've claimed that Season 2 is suppose to tie things up nicely so it would "fit" into TOS (7 years later), but I have a hard time buying that.

https://deadline.com/2019/03/anson-mount-star-trek-discovery-exit-rebecca-romijn-altercation-director-season-2-1202577741/

Would rather see Mount get his own spinoff, with the further adventures of Captain Christopher Pike of the USS Enterprise, on his 2nd 5-year mission, before handing over the reins to Captain James Tiberius Kirk.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #450 on: March 19, 2019, 12:44:01 PM »
It's still 7 years away in-universe, it doesn't need to fit right away. Slow, baby steps.

And seemed pretty obvious Pike would have to leave at the end of Season 2 so it could line up with what we know in TOS.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #451 on: March 20, 2019, 12:15:22 AM »
It's still 7 years away in-universe, it doesn't need to fit right away. Slow, baby steps.

And seemed pretty obvious Pike would have to leave at the end of Season 2 so it could line up with what we know in TOS.

Really man? The producers themselves have said that Season 2 is suppose to end with "syncing up with TOS". 7 years away yes, but they claim it's suppose to magically fit by the end of this season. I realize you continually drink from the CBS kool-aid, but do some research from time to time as well!

Gotta love your contradictory statements: TOS is 7 years away, doesn't need to sync up. Yet, Pike leaving now must happen, in order to preserve the TOS continuity. Why? TOS is 7 years away. It doesn't need to sync up. Just using your argument here.

For the record: I absolutely HATED the first season of Discovery (as likely evidenced by past comments). Season 2 has been leaps and bounds improved, and I have a strong feeling it will end up going to shite yet again, after Mount's departure.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #452 on: March 20, 2019, 11:57:05 AM »
Dark stop antagonizing him.

We all have our opinions on the show no need voice it in such a way. We have no knowledge what presided in those 7 years and what we see on screen in terms of Pike should be taken as canon now.

FTR I feel Season 1 was Meh and Season 2 is much improved(they have learned many lessons) and this Visual reboot was needed to breath much life into the show and Star Trek en general. It has worked to bring new generation of fans in.

FTR TOS may be what started it all but it's not my favorite nor do I think everything should follow it like holy scripture.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #453 on: March 20, 2019, 12:03:42 PM »
Wouldn't really call it "antagonizing", nor would I call it trolling (thanks for the report, Tusk).
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #454 on: March 22, 2019, 11:59:16 AM »
Wouldn't really call it "antagonizing", nor would I call it trolling (thanks for the report, Tusk).
Responding with "I know you drink the CBS-Kool-Aid" and then publicly calling him out for reporting it strikes me as antagonizing.  Tusk isn't hurting anybody for liking Discovery; nor is your own personal quality of life negatively impacted by him liking it.  It's a TV show.  I like you Darkthunder and you're a good dude, but I don't think you're always at your best when engage in discussions about subjects you don't like - you have a habit of getting personal towards people very quick and that's not right.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #455 on: March 23, 2019, 12:54:47 AM »
So I just watched "The Red Angel" and I have to admit that I'm not feeling this one as much as I was the previous episodes this year.  Burnham is the cause.

Michael Burnham is, quite literally, a Mary Sue at this point.  I know that criticism has been thrown at her before, but while I've always felt she was dangerously close to that territory, she didn't quite cross it (especially in the phenomenal "If Memory Serves" where Spock finally gave her the much need punch to her martyr complex that she so desperately needed as a character).

The term "Mary Sue" literally originated from Star Trek fan fiction - I'll quote the Wikipedia page:

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The term "Mary Sue" comes from the name of a character created by Paula Smith in 1973 for her parody story "A Trekkie's Tale" published in her fanzine Menagerie #2.  The story starred Lieutenant Mary Sue ("the youngest Lieutenant in the fleet — only fifteen and a half years old"), and satirized unrealistic characters in Star Trek fan fiction.  By 1976, Menagerie's editors stated that they disliked such characters, saying:  "Mary Sue stories—the adventures of the youngest and smartest ever person to graduate from the academy and ever get a commission at such a tender age. Usually characterized by unprecedented skill in everything from art to zoology, including karate and arm-wrestling. This character can also be found burrowing her way into the good graces/heart/mind of one of the Big Three (Kirk, Spock, and McCoy), if not all three at once. She saves the day by her wit and ability, and, if we are lucky, has the good grace to die at the end, being grieved by the entire ship."

I'm finding myself thinking of how this term was applied to Wesley Crusher, and Wil Wheaton for having played him.  The key difference here is that Wesley was only a Mary Sue in season one by proxy, due to Picard and Riker's pompous arrogance and casual dismissal of legitimate threats until shit hit the fan.  "Where No One Has Gone Before" and "Datalore" are the worst offenders of this.  In these episodes, Wesley notices something either unusual or dangerous, reports it to the adults (like he's supposed to do), but is just hit with the "shut up Wesley!" line until the rest of these dopes realize that... Maybe something is up with the Traveler and his assistant is full of shit; or maybe the android who looks identical to Data can take his place and try to kill the crew.  In short, Wesley was the only character allowed to have a functioning brain in season one of TNG.  If you notice the later seasons of the show, nothing really changed about how Wesley was being written, but Picard, Riker, and the others were allowed to have functioning brains and be the professional flagship officers they should have been right from the beginning, and thus Wesley stopped outshining them and actually started complimenting them in a lot of ways.  The universe never actively revolved around Wesley, he was just a smart, dorky kid who had to quite literally point out the obvious to the adults around him, and that led to a lot of unfair criticism being thrown his way.

Burnham is a whole different story.  She's surrounded by some very competent officers, but she's the center of the universe, the protégé of Sarek and foster sister of Spock.  The episode fakes us out by not having her be the Red Angel as the episode was implying up until the end, but having her be Burnham's real mother isn't much of an improvement.  This whole thing still circles back to Burnham in one form or another, and she's suffering as a character because of it.  "If Memory Serves" really put Burnham on a path towards being a much more real and human character, and "The Red Angel" just nullified that in almost every possible way.

Of course, Discovery follows the story telling format of DS9 and Enterprise instead of TOS, TNG, and Voyager, so we won't have all the answers and resolutions at the end of a single 45 minute episode.  The rest of the season has been stellar up until this point, and we still have a few episodes before we learn everything there is to learn about where this story is going.  I just hope that they end up dialing Burnham back and stop with this Mary Sue approach they're taking to her.  Sonequa Martin-Green is a fine actress and she's acting the hell out of her role, but the Star Trek universe is massive and anything can happen in it.  The show has a very strong cast of characters and actors and directing talent who know the franchise.  The rest of the characters deserve their chances to shine, the universe doesn't need to revolve around one character, and the writers should absolutely grab this universe by the balls and do something no one expects, because they absolutely can.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #456 on: March 23, 2019, 05:47:59 AM »
they're called "tropes", people, and the trek franchise and Trekkies/ers have created somewhere near 30-40 of them.

what Morgan mentions is the Mary Sue trope.  indeed, it was created by Trekkies in the '70s.  the story itself is actually a recommended fanwork even now.  trekkies also invented the slashfic; shipping between Kirk and Pock is still alive and well, even now.

Wesley, however, was his OWN trope, now known as "creator's pet".

Meanwhile, while you guys roast the living crap out of the wishy-washy nature of Disco, some of us will never be able to see for ourselves and either agree or disagree with any of you.  a premium pay service immediatly puts up a red flag for some of us.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #457 on: March 23, 2019, 12:44:19 PM »
Meanwhile, while you guys roast the living crap out of the wishy-washy nature of Disco, some of us will never be able to see for ourselves and either agree or disagree with any of you.
I wouldn't say that I'm "roasting" the show.  If you look at my history, you'll see that 90% of what I have to say about it is positive.  Of course any opinion on a show will be subjective - you may like parts that I dislike and vice versa.  The only way to find out is to watch.

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Welcome to 2019.  Everyone and their mother is coming up with some kind of streaming service now because cable is dying and people would rather stream online because it's much much cheaper.  Networks are gonna jump on that any way they can.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #458 on: March 23, 2019, 05:32:03 PM »
not you, Frasi...er, I mean Morgan, I mean this ongoing argument between DT and Tuskan.  it's like watching Siskel and Ebert on a thumbs up/thumbs down movie   :funny

and, no, it isn't cable dying (it's already dead), but the false assumption that everyone's on a high-speed connection, a smartphone with no data limit, and has a credit card.  I think there are still people out there on dialup, for Pete's sake!
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #459 on: March 23, 2019, 11:42:56 PM »
If people are still on dialup in 2019, that's an issue with their service providers. Not an issue with the services offered on the Internet (streaming services). I understand the hatred of CBS All Access, as the previous Trek shows have all been on broadcast. But the last such show was in 2005, well before the advent of ANY streaming service. This is 2019. People want to be able to consume their weekly television shows at their own pleasure, on any device they so choose, in any location. Being locked to a singular television set is so... 1960s.

Don't know if your "Siskel and Ebert" remark was suppose to be insulting or complimentary, but as I've said elsewhere, it really boils down to a difference of opinion between two people. I may express myself sometimes in ways that may be inappropriate, but that's just the way I am. Always been. 35 years in, I doubt this will change anytime soon.
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