Author Topic: TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)  (Read 206784 times)

Offline JimmyB76

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I just think its far too early to consider a series.
agreed...
let's get through the damn movie first lol
speaking of the movie...  :P

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speaking of the movie...  :P

You saw it. Didn't you.

Fess up, lol!
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naah...  ill see it eventually no doubt; just probably not opening weekend...  actually, im considering going opening weekend just to see the turn-out... 
ill have to have some beers first and no doubt ill be in a cranky debating mood lol  :arms:

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I managed to see Transformers a week before it's actual release date so I wonder if they'll be doing the same with Star Trek?

Some of the cast have been doing the rounds on British television lately and reaction seems positive with Simon Pegg confirming there are many nods for us fans who've stuck with Trek.

I'm going to be honest with everyone, my interest in the film is starting to decrease. Having saw new Transformers 2 pictures and trailer I'm much more interested in going to see that than Star Trek.

My opinions are mixed again due to my decreasing interest. I hope it does well so executives think Star Trek is a money maker again but it still feels like loyal fans (I even watched all of Enterprise and liked it towards the end) are being sh*t on, pardon my french.

Why couldn't they have gotten Myers to direct and have Manny Coto, Mike Sussman and the Reeves-Stevens come up with the story as they wouldn't have changed the Trek history then try to feed us some alternate timeline garbageto try and cover up Orci and Kurtzman's laziness?

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I hope it does well so executives think Star Trek is a money maker again but it still feels like loyal fans (I even watched all of Enterprise and liked it towards the end) are being sh*t on, pardon my french.

No they're not. Why aren't people listening that this is an alternate universe? Which gives them creative opportunity and freedom to take a completely different route than Roddenberry's vision (Which is still fantastic, but geared to a generation that seems less and less common in terms of rubbing off on the new generations). They use the line "This isn't your fathers Trek", which it isn't. It's like how the Mirror Universe was so radically different, and I don't recall anybody bitching about that. (In fact, as it has been stated above, many enjoyed Enterprises Mirror Universe episodes more than a number of other normal episodes from any series)

May I remind people, the Mirror Universe was in TOS also, Anybody recall bearded Spock? There were no issues about that twist that I knew of. And constantly Trek speaks of alternate dimensions and such that they may not even know exists, which allows them to remake familiar series basics and then twist them to all hell. When did anyone ever complain about that theory? Exactly.

At first, I was extremely disgusted about this reimagining, and then I learned that it wasn't going back to what WE knew, and suddenly it wasn't nearly as bad. The more I see about this new alternate reality of Trek, the more it becomes obvious that it's not trying to rewrite everything we know, but using the magical term "Alternate Universe" to sell a new story based on an already solid franchise. It's not laziness, it's giving the new generation a chance to see the origins of Trek from a perspective they'd better understand and enjoy. These are the key features to keeping a story alive, and has been done since man was intelligent enough to create stories. Adam and Eve? Cleopatra? Romeo and Juliet? Henry the 8th? Star Trek? I rest my case.


tl;dr: People need to research before they make judgement.


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People need to research before they make judgement.

QFT! Agreed with your entire post, but i'd prefer not quoting all of it :P
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I will (and have) openly admit that at first I was very, very against the idea of the movie, and I know many others are, but after researching, the idea became likable, and after some time, the new cast and ship became likable too.

I think it's the same for everyone else so opposed to the movie, except in cases like Jimmy's where it seems more of a boycott against Hollywood (Which is okay, they've gone a bit far on some things) :P


"The design is clearly ancient... Launched hundreds of thousands of years ago."

Quote from: JimmyB76
der-ner-ner-ner-ner ..... der-ner-ner-ner-ner .....
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Quote from: Rick Sternbach, on the topic of the Galor Class' length
...Probably not, but the number I get(379.6m) could be considered ?original intent,? a term that I think I will be using from now on, and ?canon? be damned.

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Easy way to think of this movie...time travel interference without the deus ex machina reset button.

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Offline JimmyB76

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except in cases like Jimmy's where it seems more of a boycott against Hollywood (Which is okay, they've gone a bit far on some things) :P
for me, tho i am anti-Hollywood and "The Machine", i find myself boycotting remakes and prequels more than anything...

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except in cases like Jimmy's where it seems more of a boycott against Hollywood (Which is okay, they've gone a bit far on some things) :P
for me, tho i am anti-Hollywood and "The Machine", i find myself boycotting remakes and prequels more than anything...

Had this been a B-movie, would you feel any different though? You have to also see that with what we know, it's not a typical remake. The rant explained it as best I could.


"The design is clearly ancient... Launched hundreds of thousands of years ago."

Quote from: JimmyB76
der-ner-ner-ner-ner ..... der-ner-ner-ner-ner .....
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Quote from: Rick Sternbach, on the topic of the Galor Class' length
...Probably not, but the number I get(379.6m) could be considered ?original intent,? a term that I think I will be using from now on, and ?canon? be damned.

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I think I would be more open minded if this had have been a remake like Battlestar Galactica was.

I think because the Original Series hasn't been touched and is treated like the Holy Grail of Trek that it's hard to see it in a different light. I still think it's a cheap plot device to set it in an alternate reality so they can do whatever the hell they want.

My friend felt this way about Transformers as he is an avid G1 fan whereas I've liked nearly all the reboots and spin offs but once he saw the film he loved every minute and I'll probably be the same about Star Trek. I do hope there is a reset button as there normally is with stories envolving alternate realities!  :lol:

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Had this been a B-movie, would you feel any different though?
nope...  it is just a cheap and lazy thing to do, to rewrite or reuse things already done...  kind of like the million rap songs with sampled 80's music for their background music... 

using the magical term "Alternate Universe" to sell a new story based on an already solid franchise. It's not laziness, it's giving the new generation a chance to see the origins of Trek from a perspective they'd better understand and enjoy.
actually, it is laziness...  and by definition "giving a new generation ... " by completely Hollywoodizing it also could be defined as "sell-out" IMO...  to completely alter things to make it seem "cool" and align itself with other obvious mainstream aspects really does cheapen it...  i can spot a sell-out a mile away lol
now, if they had done a completely different thing for this new movie (say post-Nemesis or whatever; even if with all new characters), and still Hollywoodized it and everything, i would feel completely different; in fact i would be all for it...
but to redo and remake TOS in this manner, shit already been done, and to use TOS name and characters as a lure (with ultra-modernization) to suck new people in - that's just weak...

I think I would be more open minded if this had have been a remake like Battlestar Galactica was.
i would have the exact opposite viewpoint of this whole new "aspect" of TOS if it were a new series (as BSG was) instead of just a new movie...  granted - BSG was originally meant only as a miniseries, but it did ten thousand times better than expected in ratings so the continued with a series...
but if they followed these footsteps with this whole jj-verse crap, i wouldnt have anything but awesomeness for it...

I think because the Original Series hasn't been touched and is treated like the Holy Grail of Trek that it's hard to see it in a different light. I still think it's a cheap plot device to set it in an alternate reality so they can do whatever the hell they want.
exactly how i feel...

My friend felt this way about Transformers as he is an avid G1 fan whereas I've liked nearly all the reboots and spin offs but once he saw the film he loved every minute and I'll probably be the same about Star Trek. I do hope there is a reset button as there normally is with stories envolving alternate realities!  :lol:
right on - *cookied*


i will see this movie, and i am keeping (trying to keep) and open mind...  i only hope i am so "wow"ed by it ill walk out with a whole new perspective...
it's just, the way they are doing this whole "reboot", and how they are doing it and why, is so transparently obvious that to me it kills the whole spirit...  when it becomes about money to the point where everything has to be changed and done differently, thats the corporate money machine at work; and i have a tough time appreciating that...
and the fact they are using the "alternate timeline" is just so "seen that a million times *yawn*" - i mean seriously, the writers couldnt come up with anything fresh and brand new?  then again, why should they go through all that effort when they can just use the famous name to sell their pitch?

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Great to see someone agrees with me on certain points, at the moment if you speak out against this film you are lead out and shot by firing squad for being different!

Also I got another cookie!  :lol:

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One thing I've realised (cor, I catch on fast don't I? :P) is that this doesn't "feel" like TOS. It's got the bones (lol) of it but it's to radically different for it to be called TOS Revamped or rebooted. In a sense it has its abbreviation.

Now something that has confused me is the "timeline" as so to speak. Going on a few random guesses from what we've seen so far from the trailers and fact from TOS, here's a few different type of timelines

Things in red are inconsistencies that would simply be not possible due to the other version having another fact to contradict mentioned fact. Whatever is green is something that in all cases makes no sense whatsoever.

Possible Timeline "1" (mostly based around canon TOS facts)

2230's: Kirk is born. Kelvin destroyed by Nero.
And what does Nero do for the next 20-30 years? Plays chess with Yeti?
Early 2240's: Kirk steals the car and drives it over the cliff.
2244-46: Kirk sees Enterprise construction. *Pine to old to be a 15-ish year old?*
2253: Kirk meets Cadet Uhura. Pike meets Kirk. Kirk enlists in Starfleet.
2254: Enterprise commanded by Pike. Kirk still in Starfleet.
2263-64: Kirk assigned to Enterprise as Captain *Kirk shoots up ranks while Uhura is only a Lieutenant?*

Possible Timeline "2" (mostly based on trailer clips of ST:XI)

2230's: Kirk is born. Kelvin destroyed by Nero.
Again, what does Nero do for the 20-30 year period?
2240's: Kirk steals the car and drives it over the cliff.
2250's: Kirk meets Uhura and Pike. Pike persuades Kirk to enlist in Starfleet. Kirk sees Enterprise under construction *makes more sense since Kirk still has a few cuts in this scene and looks old enough for this section but the Enterprise in TOS was built 10 years earlier.* Kirk still a cadet takes command.
The rest of ST:XI continues in all it's JJ-fied glory.
"To live on as we have is to leave behind joy, and love, and companionship, because we know it to be transitory, of the moment. We know it will turn to ash. Only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal. You should embrace that remarkable illusion. It may be the greatest gift your race has ever received."

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I do hope there is a reset button as there normally is with stories envolving alternate realities!  :lol:

How is that going to work now? They've already started thinking up a sequal.

I see this as a another reality, working along side the 'real' one like the Mirror Universe does.

Speaking of which... I wonder what a JJ Mirror universe would be like?

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I do hope there is a reset button as there normally is with stories envolving alternate realities!  :lol:
I wonder what a JJ Mirror universe would be like?

Keeping in canon, probably JJ-Prises with the yellow flags and stuff painted on the hull.

With JJ, possibly more weapons and for dramatic effect, spikes. :P
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Dalek you are so funny!  :lol: I wonder what Nero is doing for 20 odd years? Shaving heads and opening a tattoo parlour!

Now if this thing is set in the mid-late 2250s, judging from Kirk's age it would be, the Enterprise would be over 10 years old right? So why didn't the writers explain the differences in the Enterprise as her being refitted from the original ship due to ships being lost to Nero?

Also I agree it doesn't feel like TOS, it doesn't even feel like Star Trek. It's just another generic Hollywood remake that rips up the original and throws it away. But why listen to the billions of fans worldwide, it's not like we'd spend money on seeing it!

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Yeah, my only gripe with the film is the chronology. As far as we know, JJ has screwed it up.
"To live on as we have is to leave behind joy, and love, and companionship, because we know it to be transitory, of the moment. We know it will turn to ash. Only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal. You should embrace that remarkable illusion. It may be the greatest gift your race has ever received."

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It's got the bones (lol)
And what does Nero do for the next 20-30 years? Plays chess with Yeti?
*cookied for bad pun and funny*

i guess there is nothing any of us can do but wait and see... 
JJ has done some good work, as far as Lost and Cloverfield (and others)...  and i am a huge fan of the series Lost and i liked Cloverfield... so we'll see how he twists this one around...  then again it's not just him behind the scenes...
i just am not sure i agree with this new spin of Trek tho (and using TOS characters and enterprise)...  we'll have to wait and see in a few weeks tho...

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With JJ, possibly more weapons and for dramatic effect, spikes. :P

Painted flames. Neon lights. Transparent nacelles. Commanded by Vin Diesel.
:P