Author Topic: TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)  (Read 206786 times)

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My only slight disappointment was the fact that they took out Nero's subplot on Rura Penthe, but that at least will be on the DVD/Blu-Ray.

As to Nero waiting around for 25 years just to exact his revenge...to me, that's about what Khan did.  Except Khan kinda went batty in those 15 years he was on Ceti Alpha V.  Nero spent some of that time on Rura Penthe, just biding his time and waiting for the right moment.  To me, that's a bit scarier than a villian who merely reacts at the moment.  Beware the fury of the patient man.

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Just got back from seeing it. Actually, got back about 4:50pm but couldn't get online until now, lol.


Verdict: OMFG!
It sort of had the same effect on me as Cloverfield did. As in, it didn't quite live up to the hype but it wasn't bad either. Just okay.
The visuals were very impressive aswell as the sound effects and musical score (I am only just getting my hearing back, very loud, lol).

I liked the inclusion of a few sound effects from TOS but tweaked ever so slightly to fit this movie.

*Hides on top of fortress*: I wasn't overly moved by Leonard Nimoy reprising his role as Spock. He made Old Spock seem 'too human' if you get what I mean. Sure it was good for when Spock was in the original series. But after the events of 'Seach For Spock', I had gotten used to Nimoy's progression into just another emotionless Vulcan. In Trek XI, he seemed to revert back to pre-TWOK Spock without any kind of explanation as to why, and I don't think it suited him very well in XI. Zachery Quinto is an awesome Spock though. Sort of like the dark side, emotionally scarred version of Spock that I had wanted to see for years.

I didn't like Chekov. Anton Yelchin just didn't seem to fit with me very well as Chekov.

Chris Pine's Kirk was a bit of a prick in the first few minutes, which I really didn't like. But he seemed to buckle down and come off as an excellent Kirk during the rest of the film. Karl Urban was undoubtly my favourite actor in this film. He was very 'DeForest Kelley' like but hardly any development happened with his McCoy.

Simon Pegg is usually awesome, but I found his 'scottish' accent to be awkward. Easily my second favourite actor in the film though.

Onto the story:
The basic premise of the story was very easy to follow but had 1 plot point that didn't really go anywhere. Nero said while he was putting that weird scorpion-like thing in Captain Pike, that it would royally screw Pike up in someway. Something about a toxin being released. After that, we don't hear even a peep from Pike or what Nero (perfect choice casting Eric Bana) has done with him until the end of the movie where *SPOILER* he is apparently fine, aside from feeling a little drowsy.*SOILER*

Like I said, the visuals were unbelieveably awesome aswell as the music score. But it didn't need to be a Trek movie. You could've had anything else aswell as a slightly altered story with some kind of other weird, cool ship visuals so that it would've been something new instead of being a alternate Trek universe, and it probably would have been better received if it wasn't anything to do with Trek anyway.

I didn't see James Cawley or any LOST references in this film so it probably warrants a second viewing. Its one of those films you would watch once, leave for ages and then watch again when you are feeling bored.

Engineering was still too big and too old to represent something you would imagine in the 22nd Century. I hated the Engineering rooms of both the Enterprise and Kelvin. The Narada interior was brilliant though.

Final verdict: 8/10

Can't wait for 2014 to start.

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Ditto on what Billz said.

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Could not the "Ceti Eeel 2" (for lack of a better word) be used as a base or at least subplot for the sequel? It could still be inside Pike, and not be detectable by Starfleet Sensors. Just like Chekhov was in TWOK, he could be influenced by the creature, or perhaps a romulan who somehow (although VERY unlikely) survived the Narada's destruction.
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I think Billz has summed it up perfectly.

Perhaps I will get in on blu-ray if it's a longer cut, at least it will give Nero some depth to his character which I felt was lacking somewhat.

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Maybe the eel/worm thing was the reason that *SPOILER*Pike was in a wheelchair at the end?*SPOILER*

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Just seen it, and I have to say I didn't like it much. It suffers from the same problems much of the new movies, particularly the prequels/reboots/whatevers: it sacrifices substance and structure for fast paced CGI action. During the whole course of the movie, I never once had the feeling that the director had some sort of message or point to get across - the movie appears to be it's own reason for being. One could argue that it's "character-driven" - and one would be correct, up to a point; however in case of star trek XI this isn't such a good thing. The writing around this seemed particularly weak to me, much of the movie's events transparently fabricated in such a way as to put the characters in an exact sort of situation the director wants them to be in. Indeed, the entire plot seems like little more then an excuse to keep the movie rolling, getting our heroes from one incredible situation to another. One of the examples would be the way Kirk relieves Spock of command at one point - to me that was a pretty weak, predictable, hastily done plot device in order to get Kirk in the captain's chair - and unfortunately, but a drop in the ocean that was this movie's weak story.
That brings me to another point, which is that the whole movie seems to be in some sort of a hurry, as if mr. Abrams was trying to distance himself from the old Trek style by any means necessary. While some of the old Trek movies are indeed too slowly paced, especially for today's audiences, Trek XI tries too hard to go the other way, using frenetically blurry, fast-cut action scenes in which it's hard to make out what is going on, and often requires some sort of verbal explanation from one of the cast when the action sequence is over. In all that speed it also tries to sell us a lot of logical inconsistencies (for example, our heroes being the only ones able to stop the "drill" at Earth - granted, the Enterprise was the only ship able to respond, but surely it's not the only military asset Earth would have - how about local planetary defenses, ground based batteries, orbital satellites, starbases, local fighter squadrons, anything that is capable of snapping a metal cable in two..)
Art direction suffers from a similar problem, compounded with the ease CGI made it to go totally overboard with whatever we wish. At the risk of sounding like a nostalgic dinosaur - in the old days, making special effects was a much bigger problem then today, so coupled with budget and time constraints you had to really think where you'll use them and how much; this effectively made sure people thought through how will things look and feel on the screen, because compromises had to be made. Today, there's no need for that, so a careless director will completely exaggerate when it comes to CGI, designs, and sets; why concentrate on one phaser shot that makes sense, when you can have hundreds of them in a matter of seconds, zipping by, dazzling the audience - hell, you can't even make out what's a torpedo, a phaser blast, or a pulse weapon - and why care? It's all going so fast, let's disengage the brain and move on.. Why put control panels, indicator lights etc where they actually make sense, when you can have them everywhere, making the movie look like an overlit theme park? Why have a romulan mining vessel actually look like a ship designed for such tasks (or romulan) when you can make an overdesigned stack of pointy parts that has more firepower then the Death Star? (miner revolts must be a really nasty thing on Romulus..) Don't get me wrong, I love CGI when used properly - I do quite a lot of 3D work myself for a living and as a hobby when I stop "actual" work - being into movie grade CGI is only natural. I just feel that it needs to be used properly and carefully for it to work.
The only thing I did like was Karl Urban as McCoy - DeForest Kelley's character is a legend, and reinterpreting that character is no easy task, but I feel that the new one came as close to the old as possible, considering it's a different actor this time around.
I'll conclude this rant review by saying that I have nothing against the idea of remaking trek in a more up-to date context, but if someone's going to modernize trek, doesn't it need to remain trek at it's core for it to make sense? Otherwise, just make a new universe. For me, the one fundamental thing about trek was that even at it's worst, I always felt like it had something it wanted to say - some predesigned point it was trying to make, sometimes it was done good, sometimes bad, sometimes spectacularly so.. But the only message I get from this new trek is "we're desperately trying not to be old Star Trek", which, apart from it being a very weak message, is also kind of ironic if you think about it: it's defined by the very thing it's trying not to be. Just doesn't stand on it's own. Well, for me anyway.

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excellent post!  ill be seeing the movie tomorrow (i think) and it sounds like i already know what im in for...
almost everything you just said (and a few others reviews like Billz, mckinneyc, and undedavenger) is also everything i have been saying so far...
i have a feeling im not gonna be a fan of this new "Star Trek"...

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I find it funny that you agree with everyone who doesn't like it, yet you haven't seen it yet.

Just remember, people who cling to the past, all you're doing is killing off Trek.  Here's an analogy for you:
Kid passes out.  Guy comes along to breath new life into him.  Mother clings to the kid, mourning the lost when the guy can save him if she just let go.

That's how I feel about the way you guys talk of this movie, anyways.

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excellent post!  ill be seeing the movie tomorrow (i think) and it sounds like i already know what im in for...
almost everything you just said (and a few others reviews like Billz, mckinneyc, and undedavenger) is also everything i have been saying so far...
i have a feeling im not gonna be a fan of this new "Star Trek"...

As a hardcore Star Trek fan, I must say I rather enjoyed myself when seeing the movie. It may not have adhered entirely to past canon, but as I'm sure most are aware by now... it's an alternate timeline. There are plenty of tidbits from past Trek which is either hinted at or mentioned during the movie, to support the notion that not ALL things are different in this alternate timeline.

Going into the movie theatre with the preconception that you will hate the movie, will undoubtedly lead to exactly that result. To quote a famous admiral... "Young minds, fresh ideas, be tolerant". The circumstances may have changed somewhat due to changes in the timeline, but the essence of Star Trek remains: The friendships and relationships of the crew of the USS Enterprise. The emotional Kirk, the emotionless Spock, and the balancing counterweight in the middle, Bones.


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To anyone complaining that the new Enterprise looked nothing like the old 60s Enterprise, all I have to say about that is: Budget and 40 years of development. The average movie-goer of today would not be very interested if the movie used the exact same visual effects and style as they had in the 60s.
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Not sure about others who didn't like the movie, but I actually went in excited; reviews seemed to praise the movie left and right, and I have to admit I allowed myself to believe the movie will actually be good. I didn't expect it to be the same as previous star treks, nor did I go in expecting a disappointment - if nothing, I went in with an open mind. I'm almost ashamed to admit that my initial skepticism on this movie was totally melted away by all the hype.
As for the new Enterprise, that's actually pretty low on my list of concerns - from the outside it's not so bad. I was more unimpressed with the art direction of.. well, almost everything else. I was more specific in my previous post so I won't go there again.

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22 votes in the poll up above, 18 of which considered the movie to be "Awesome". Myself included. I think when the dust finally settles, the concensus will be that there will be a crowd of "old school" Trek fans who dislike the movie for the sake of having something to dislike. Essentially the "purists" who see everything that is not 100% like TOS, as being blasmephous and evil. People who moan and whine to high heavens because the new Enterprise didnt look like the TOS Enterprise. Hell, I recall people whining because the new Enterprise's registry font was different from the TOS font, after the first trailer was released.

And then you will have the (vast majority), of both existing fans of Star Trek as well as the uninitiated who will have seen the movie, and left the theaters after a couple of hours of enjoyment. I've heard people who were not originally fans, that saw the movie that also enjoyed it. The movie did what it's main intention was, which was to bring in a new crowd of fans for a "New Generation of Star Trek", as well as trying very hard to keep the existing fans happy.

I do not consider the new movie as being the "perfection" of Star Trek. As with all movies and television shows, there are occasional errors or inconsistencies. Considering the new movie is the first Star Trek movie in 7 years, and the first Star Trek at all within the past 4 years, i'm just happy for the fact that Star Trek is becoming popular again. Nemesis debuted on opening weekend with a "meager" 18 million dollars domestically, whereas this movie earnt well over 70 million dollars domestically (and over 115 million dollars in total when including international sales). And thats just for opening weekend. I would be surprised if they would not make sequels or (one could hope), a new tv series after results like these.
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I couldn't agree more with you DT. Although I did have my doubts going in, the movie turned out awesome. I found myself leaning forward in my chair and just staring awestruck at the screen, like the first time I saw the Enterprise on the bigscreen when "First Contact" came out. There were a few small things that kind of irked me, but that only lasted moments. Also, +krama

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Well said, DT and Kirk.  You basically summed up what I've been feeling.

Especially the Ent-E part, Kirk. :P

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I think Newman summed up how I felt even better than Billz did.

I watched Star Trek 5 last night, for the first time in ages, and even though there are some serious plot holes it still felt like Star Trek.

This movie didn't, it was an a-typical Hollywood blockbuster i.e no plot, a series of high paced action sequences that were strung together on a weak plot device just for the sake of another high paced action sequence.

The only good things for me were the actors (it's not their fault the writing is cr*p), Nimoy, and some good shots of the 1701.

I must urge Paramount to please return to the old formula and hand over the rains to people who have been involved in Star Trek production before and are REAL fans of the entire 40s years of Trek.

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i loved this film.

but i'm hoping that this film is just a way to introduce us to the new cast and ship so that the sequel will focus more on plot

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Good film... kinda helped to take my mind off of a boy who just broke my heart today [big surprise, eh? I seem to have a terrible track record. :/ ]

I did enjoy the film a lot. Decent gfx, though the antagonist could have been a bit more convincing... and there really wasn't much depth into the characters... the camera movement really fucked me over, too, but maybe my eyes are just getting worse than they already are... who knows... just get me another bottle of vodka.

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22 votes in the poll up above, 18 of which considered the movie to be "Awesome". Myself included. I think when the dust finally settles, the concensus will be that there will be a crowd of "old school" Trek fans who dislike the movie for the sake of having something to dislike. Essentially the "purists" who see everything that is not 100% like TOS, as being blasmephous and evil. People who moan and whine to high heavens because the new Enterprise didnt look like the TOS Enterprise. Hell, I recall people whining because the new Enterprise's registry font was different from the TOS font, after the first trailer was released.

And then you will have the (vast majority), of both existing fans of Star Trek as well as the uninitiated who will have seen the movie, and left the theaters after a couple of hours of enjoyment. I've heard people who were not originally fans, that saw the movie that also enjoyed it. The movie did what it's main intention was, which was to bring in a new crowd of fans for a "New Generation of Star Trek", as well as trying very hard to keep the existing fans happy.

I do not consider the new movie as being the "perfection" of Star Trek. As with all movies and television shows, there are occasional errors or inconsistencies. Considering the new movie is the first Star Trek movie in 7 years, and the first Star Trek at all within the past 4 years, i'm just happy for the fact that Star Trek is becoming popular again. Nemesis debuted on opening weekend with a "meager" 18 million dollars domestically, whereas this movie earnt well over 70 million dollars domestically (and over 115 million dollars in total when including international sales). And thats just for opening weekend. I would be surprised if they would not make sequels or (one could hope), a new tv series after results like these.

I think I already explained my reasons for disliking it, and they weren't "just so I have something to dislike", as I've already said I was quite looking forward to this movie. Is your ego that fragile that it can't handle someone else not liking what you did without you having to somehow make yourself see these people as ridiculous? Some people saw some serious weaknesses in what you did like, not because they wanted to, but because they're there. I'm not saying you shouldn't like it - go ahead and be happy with it. Some of us aren't, for a lot better reasons then you think - live with it.
Oh, and citing earnings is always the mark of a real quality movie, as is the "majority" liking it.. the masses can't be wrong.. :roll:
Of course this one will make a lot more then any previous trek, it's a dumbed down action packed CGI portfolio.

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Stop sniping at each other, or the thread will have to close again.

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I must urge Paramount to please return to the old formula and hand over the rains to people who have been involved in Star Trek production before and are REAL fans of the entire 40s years of Trek.

You mean the same people who ran Star Trek into the ground, and damn near killed it off? Brannon "kiss my a$$" Braga, and Rick Berman? Both Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman are fans of Star Trek, and they were the two writers of the movie. While they werent involved in producing past incarnations of Star Trek, as fans they are definitely qualified.

I'll take JJ Trek any day, over anymore Berman/Braga Trek. The essence of Star Trek is still alive and well within Trek XI, eventhough the circumstances surrounding the characters may have changed somewhat. It's there, if youre willing to see it.
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