Author Topic: TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)  (Read 207125 times)

Offline JimmyB76

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well how nice they explain it in a comic book... a movie shouldnt need a comic book to answer some of the obvious questions tho lol  i wouldnt have thought to look for answers in a comic book, anyway...

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well how nice they explain it in a comic book... a movie shouldnt need a comic book to answer some of the obvious questions tho lol? i wouldnt have thought to look for answers in a comic book, anyway...

^^^Valid point, but you should read the comic Jimmy, it's pretty good.


BTW, I know about the whole Rura Penthe thing, but the real reason that Nero was waiting around for 25 years was...he was moving Delta Vega!!!? Seriously, think about it, the planet's climate is incredibly different in ST09 than in WNMHGB, and it's closer to Vulcan!? Nero wanted a planet that was reasonably barren for Spock to view his world's destruction from, and Delta Vega fit the bill, so he drug it away from its star(beginning the ice age for the world) into Vulcan system. :P

As for Spock/Uhura, there's plenty of evidence in TOS that she had a thing for him, she just wasn't overly obvious about it like Chapel was.

Pike knew Kirk had potential or he wouldn't have brought him into Starfleet in the first place.? And this isn't the first time Kirk's been rewarded for saving the planet by a rank change(Star Trek IV).? Of course, this time it was upwards, but that's beside the point.

See, there's one thing people seem to be forgetting.? Pike made Kirk acting first officer.? His word is law aboard the starship unless/until a Starfleet Admiral negates it.? Therefore, Kirk's battle-field commission and promotion is well within Starfleet rules and regs.? It just so happened that Starfleet was grateful enough to Kirk for saving their collective rear-ends that they made the rank permanent.

There was also a scene or an early cut that had something where someone(I think Kirk) commented on how coincidental some of the things seemed, and Spock said that it might have been the time stream attempting to correct the damage done by Nero.

Also, anyone who says that the meeting between Kirk and Spock Prime is coincidence is forgetting something about TOS time travel, specifically City on the Edge of Forever, when Spock said something to the effect of time being fluid like a river with eddies and currents, and those currents brought them together when they needed to be.

Also, did anyone else catch that Pike's Admiral uniform looked like Admiral Kirk's uniform from TMP??? :D

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Actually, I think someone high up on the crew (JJ or something) said that Delta Vega was a tribute to the original, but isn't supposed to be the same one.

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yeah I've heard that as well...
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I would sumise however, that Shadowknight's suggestion that the planet had been moved, is a valid and original suggestion. It's not entirely impossible, given that the Narada had Borg technologies, was a pretty big ship and able to adapt to different cirumstances. It's not likely that the ship was used for moving the planet, but it's not impossible either.
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Ya know I was also thinking that was a dramatization... being that Delta Vega was close enough to Vulcan's solar system that Spock could feel/sense it's destruction but not actually see it. The visual was more or less there for the audiences benefit?
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I'm pretty sure he saw it.  That would be pretty pointless if he didn't.  Otherwise he would just collapse when he felt it.

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i dunno...  there were a few too many stretches for my taste...

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i would have never guessed Kirk was into Rage Against The Machine lol
Actually it was the Beasty Boys  :D

Anyways I loved the movie I want it to come out on DVD already lol. But I do agree with Jimmy about the Spock/Uhura thing...felt a little out of place...other than that though I liked it.

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agleed on the spock/uhura thing

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"The design is clearly ancient... Launched hundreds of thousands of years ago."

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der-ner-ner-ner-ner ..... der-ner-ner-ner-ner .....
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Quote from: Rick Sternbach, on the topic of the Galor Class' length
...Probably not, but the number I get(379.6m) could be considered ?original intent,? a term that I think I will be using from now on, and ?canon? be damned.

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i would have never guessed Kirk was into Rage Against The Machine lol
Actually it was the Beasty Boys  :D
oh youre right - stupid me lol   i dont know why i typed in Rage, i meant Beastie Boys...
either way, that whole scene was pretty lame anyway lol

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Only part I didn't get was the cop. That was just bizarre.


"The design is clearly ancient... Launched hundreds of thousands of years ago."

Quote from: JimmyB76
der-ner-ner-ner-ner ..... der-ner-ner-ner-ner .....
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Quote from: Rick Sternbach, on the topic of the Galor Class' length
...Probably not, but the number I get(379.6m) could be considered ?original intent,? a term that I think I will be using from now on, and ?canon? be damned.

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*remembers a certain ep in Ent where we see the beginning of androids*

so it was an advanced robot. 
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either way (again) that whole scene was very lame...

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Well, he was a motobike cop in rural Iowa.  Likely he was wearing some sort of HUD and his voice would have been covered up by the mask, so in the reprojection of it, it becomes flat and mechanical, in order not to invoke some sort of response from the citizen in that way.

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That theory is very consistent with your nickname, farshot :)

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Well, it'd make the officer more...what's the word...anonymous?  Less of a chance of someone going after the cop for revenge or something?  Who knows...at least the voice in the movie sounded better than the one in the first trailer.

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Jimmy, I'm not sure if this was where you wanted me to post. If not, feel free to move it!

Things I hated:

- Lens Flares: I swear to god, JJ, if I was epileptic, I would be suing your ass right now. There were so many lens flares in this movie, that it became more than a little annoying after a while. I almost felt like you were trying to hide parts of the bridge from me due to bad/amaturish direction or something. I don't know what the reasons were, but cut it the hell out! I want to SEE this new bridge and not be blinded any time the camera pans.

- The iBridge: Seriously, even the way the viewscreen was set up to display different video feeds was most certainly selling Macs. Did I see an iPod spinner menu thing on the Captain's Chair?? I mean, I loved the idea that Shield and Weapon status was actually displayed on the main viewscreen, but the rest of it was just iEnterprise.

- The Star Wars weapons: I feel we've lost the Science-Fact part of Star Trek with all these different, kiddie, Saturday-morning-cartoon phasers and photons (and some other kinds of beams that I had no idea of.)

- The Direction: I feel like most of the movie was rushing me through the plot. I never really got a chance to hear exactly what led up to this fiasco. (You've just changed 45 years of established story, JJ. I think you owe me a more focused definition.) Everything that Picard worked for, everything that Sisko worked for - hell, even everything that Archer worked for... you threw it away by swiping away Romulus with a random supernova. I can let it slide that the Feds didn't know the star was going to go supernova, since the Romulans would never let info like that slip out, but I want to know more about Spock's role in what was to be the salvation of Romulus. We haven't seen him since the Reunification episode of TNG and 15 years later, you throw him in our lap as a failure? C'mon dude. What role did he play on Romulus? What about the underground movement he was working with? What about the Remans? What about what Picard did ONE movie ago? Was it his role  in the Reman conflict that allowed Spock to pursue a method of salvation for the Romulans or was he still working underground? What? What? I understand that you were trying to make it more documentary style, JJ. I mean, even your cameras in space had fake dust on the lens (visible in any one of the millions of lens flares) and I think its cool, but I can count on TWO fingers when you actually centered the camera and gave us a good view of the ships and what was happening. I came to Star Trek to see some really cool space battles, but half the time, the camera is zoomed in WAY too much, the frame is shaking like an 8.0 earthquake and the action is rarely centered. This isn't Cloverfield or Saving Private Ryan. This is Star Trek. Surely your camera has an inertial dampener. I loose connection with the movie when I realize there CANNOT BE A DOCUMENTARIAN IN SPACE.

- Spock and Uhura: Ok... WTF?! I hear a little bit about some favoritism between the two in a 30-second conversation that didn't really even focus on them. The next thing I know they are making out in the turbo lift. ....HUH?!

- No William Shatner: I really think it would have helpped me feel more connected to this new trek to see the man who IS Captain Kirk in this movie. Of course, poor Mr. Pine's character may have been crushed beneath the weight of it.

- No mention of the Next Generation: Seriously, we are picking up from a story that TNG left off on 15 years ago. Why no mention of Captain Picard? Who BTW, shared Sarek's last moment with Spock ... which had him burst into tears by the end of that two-parter.

Things I loved:

- It was different: Finally a movie that was able to do what Enterprise couldn't do. This movie was a huge departure from the usual 'forumla' that Star Trek follows. Whether that's good or bad depends on the individual, but for me, it was generally good. Like a breath of fresh air. Now, there are some moments when its awesome, but there are also times when I think to myself - am I watching Star Trek, or am I watching people pretending to be on Star Trek? Whatever the case, it seems to have worked. Where Enterprise degraded into nothing but a tribute built upon moments lent to the 4 series that preceded it, Star Trek was both original and managed to still pay tribute to what we all love.

- Admiral Archer was mentioned: albeit to the detriment of poor Porthos... and Scotty.

- Seeing George Samuel Kirk.

- The new Enterprise: I guess I can understand that an altered reality could cause the old connie to be redesigned. ... ...Now there's a question. Is this still a Constitution Class?

- The iBridge: Considering that the last series was meant to try to bridge the gap between us (Now in the present) and Star Trek (Far [or not so far] into the future) it would make sense that its design would draw from things we see everyday. The design, while being seriously iPod/Apple, is plausible and DOES help it feel more grounded - but are we really saying that Apple grows into a company that gets contracts for building Starships? lol Move over Mr. Gates.

- The Direction: Finally a Trek thats fast paced and frantic. The documentary style of direction really added to this. It may have sacrificed story, dialogue and character developement (Did Kirk even get to graduate?) but it all works to thrust the audience into a frenzy of sweet action.

- No William Shatner: Just panning his massive head would take up half the running time.

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uh Dante the whole future time line isn't gone only a few events in the past were changed... I doubt Vulcan's destruction(as I said many times before) would cause all of the future events to drastically change. Vulcan wasn't really a catalyst in any of those series events. Heck the Vulcan's new colony could be renamed Vulcan later on. :P

Just so people can see that some of the changes the Ent went though in this movie aren't so far out there here are the launch dates of all 3 versions of it.

2245 - TOS Ent
2258 - JJ Ent
2272 - TMP Ent

A significant period of time elapsed, meaning tech advanced, meaning the JJ Ent would get at least some TMP features.
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