Author Topic: TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)  (Read 207157 times)

Offline Shadowknight1

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Very possible Billz...I know that the theater in my town has similar issues...not to mention the doubling of the line "We're receiving a distress call from the USS Kobayashi Maru."  :lol:

The movie's made over 80 million dollars domestically thus far, that bodes very well for the future of Star Trek, both the new universe and in general.  Plus in one weekend it already sank Nemesis.  :P

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Plus in one weekend it already sank Nemesis.  :P

That doesn't say much. My cat sitting and licking herself for an hour can sink Nemesis. ;)

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Well, I finally saw the movie. It is amazing! The battle between the Kelvin and the Narada was incredible, and the last scene of the movie, with George Kirk sacrificing his life to save his wife and son, like a real man, was heart-wrenching. THIS is the Star Trek I remembered. Well done, J.J.!









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This movie really didn't get any complaints from me. I would have liked to have none of the scenes cut out or shortened but, hopefully they will not put the extra/extended scenes in the "special Features" section of the DVD menu but, instead put them all back in(with the alternate ending with the Shat http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/12/shatner-cameo-scene-revealed-monday-box-office-tos-stars-talk-st09-more-tidbits/) into the movie and have that selectable as an alternate version to play(like with the ID4 that I have). Anyways, the cast did a fine job doing their parts(espescially Urban), The sights and sounds(and music) were wonderful. All in all I really liked it and am planning to see it again this weekend with more people. BTW, the engineering rooms look the way they do because it actually is a Budweiser brewery hince the Budweiser Classic mention.

Also in a few months Spock: Reflections is to be released which is being done by the same people that did Countdown.It ofcourse centers around young Spock well...reflecting over the events that happened in the movie. Last I heard about this was April I think.
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heh found something interesting to go along with what I said about the Ent being launched later than its counterpart. 2245 - TOS Ent; 2258 - JJ Ent

from Robert Orci himself:
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TallBoy66 May 11th, 2009 -- TECH
by Boborci   May 11th, 2009
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I'll take any fanboy throwaway reference as to why the tech in this timeline is so advanced compared to the original TOS timeline, and how Nero blowing up the Kelvin changed that. Any explanation that works within the confines of Nero traveling back in time would do. Thanks a lot.
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Certainly one would expect that the fleeing shuttles carrying survivors would also carry whatever telemetry was recorded by the Kelvin in its final moments ( like an airplanes BLACK BOX). Imagine the wealth of information that Starfleet was exposed to from scans of the Narada.

http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/41001#comment_2656114
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Only thing I didn't get was the whole Kirks Father being in Starfleet thing, I thought he was just a Farmer and Kirk decided to enter starfleet on his own. Meh. I got the whole alternate universe time line thing though.

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lol nice find!

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heh found something interesting to go along with what I said about the Ent being launched later than its counterpart. 2245 - TOS Ent; 2258 - JJ Ent

from Robert Orci himself:
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TallBoy66 May 11th, 2009 -- TECH
by Boborci   May 11th, 2009
07:41:29 PM
I'll take any fanboy throwaway reference as to why the tech in this timeline is so advanced compared to the original TOS timeline, and how Nero blowing up the Kelvin changed that. Any explanation that works within the confines of Nero traveling back in time would do. Thanks a lot.
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Certainly one would expect that the fleeing shuttles carrying survivors would also carry whatever telemetry was recorded by the Kelvin in its final moments ( like an airplanes BLACK BOX). Imagine the wealth of information that Starfleet was exposed to from scans of the Narada.

http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/41001#comment_2656114

But the tech in STXI was mostly less advanced than that of Ent. The gimmicky, flip-barrel phaser, the window-with-a-HUD, the water turbine.
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I knew I had seen Star Trek 11 before! Now, thanks to that video, I realize it was when it was first released on home video all those years ago under the name 'Star Wars'.  :lol:

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heh found something interesting to go along with what I said about the Ent being launched later than its counterpart. 2245 - TOS Ent; 2258 - JJ Ent

from Robert Orci himself:
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TallBoy66 May 11th, 2009 -- TECH
by Boborci   May 11th, 2009
07:41:29 PM
I'll take any fanboy throwaway reference as to why the tech in this timeline is so advanced compared to the original TOS timeline, and how Nero blowing up the Kelvin changed that. Any explanation that works within the confines of Nero traveling back in time would do. Thanks a lot.
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Certainly one would expect that the fleeing shuttles carrying survivors would also carry whatever telemetry was recorded by the Kelvin in its final moments ( like an airplanes BLACK BOX). Imagine the wealth of information that Starfleet was exposed to from scans of the Narada.

http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/41001#comment_2656114

But the tech in STXI was mostly less advanced than that of Ent. The gimmicky, flip-barrel phaser, the window-with-a-HUD, the water turbine.

I'd say windows are a big advancement over a lack of them. Doesn't use power either. Ent was made later on, FAR later on, it's logical it would LOOK more advanced because of the CGI and such. But really, alternate timeline, a budget to animate this stuff, and elaborate more on sets that usually would've been simplified for cost.


Oh and Dante, I'd suggest you reread that long post that you accused of only addressing you, you might find that you didn't get yourself your own post in return, but rather I got lazy and changed the method when I moved on to Limeys, who took it how I intended, my side, his side, rebuttals. I'd hope you'll correct that as I'm not in the thread to make enemies.


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I'd say windows are a big advancement over a lack of them. Doesn't use power either. Ent was made later on, FAR later on, it's logical it would LOOK more advanced because of the CGI and such. But really, alternate timeline, a budget to animate this stuff, and elaborate more on sets that usually would've been simplified for cost.

What? Ent was made before and set before Trek XI, yet the technology seems more advanced. And a window is lower tech than a computer screen that reconstruct in good detail and in real time what is outside, as well as zoom and show live video feeds. Head-Up-Displays have been around since at least the 80's, and windows have been around for even longer!
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Oh and Dante, I'd suggest you reread that long post that you accused of only addressing you, you might find that you didn't get yourself your own post in return, but rather I got lazy and changed the method when I moved on to Limeys, who took it how I intended, my side, his side, rebuttals. I'd hope you'll correct that as I'm not in the thread to make enemies.

Nah. Don't feel like taking your suggestion. Considering the parts I responded to were only parts that were quoted from my post. Far more than needed for a rebuttal to what you said. You said Limey replied to what you said when you moved on to him, so then what would be the point of me reading something that was addressed to someone else, who has also already replied to it?

There's nothing to correct.

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moving on from this senseless bantering before this thread gets locked *again*...

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Agreed, hey Newman great youtube find. I thought the story seemed familiar and isn't JJ more of a, dare I say it, Star Wars fan?

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Agreed, hey Newman great youtube find. I thought the story seemed familiar and isn't JJ more of a, dare I say it, Star Wars fan?

Actually his is, from what I understand. I thought I read that somewhere.... o_O

*goes searching*

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He is, he states repeatedly that he wasn't a Trek fan until after he started working on this movie.

As long as the next movie isn't "Star Trek: The Search for Porthos" :P

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I really enjoyed the movie, it left me blown away. I felt that it was a great edition to the Star Trek Universe.


To me, this movie's timeline makes sense. The way I see it, this timeline already existed, we just never saw it. How could it exist already? The episode of TNG "Parallels" is how. Data says "For any event there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. Our choices determine which outcome will follow. According to a theory, everything that can happen does happen in some other quantum reality." We see things in that episode such as the Borg destroying the Feds and Worf having children. That doesn't happen in the Prime Universe... but it still happened.

The 40 years of Trek history we grew with is intact, we are simply watching one possible turn of events.


As for this movie not feeling like a Star Trek movie... well honestly, neither did Star Trek IV. But it was still a fun and enjoyable movie. XI was star trek enough for me  :) 

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By the way, I don't think it's been mentioned here, but when young Spock is escaping the Narada in the Jellyfish, he flies past several landing platforms, and on one of them is the Vulcan landing ship from First Contact.  Who knows what other little tidbits there are. ;)

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I kind of liked it.

After Nemesis my soul was so broken, I really just hoped to fail as fast as possible just in case Paramount sales it and someone else gets it. Now my spirit is up again.

No it is not good sci-fi, (in fact, with the exception of a few TNG episodes, the truth is Trek never was good sci-fi), but at least it was a good adventure, again (the "Trek" bit from ST title). It had the smell, of good ol', romantic, adventurous sci-fi. The kind where you expect people to be holding "atomic blasters" ending in pointy bits with rings around them.

But lets make the review lenghty with my personal notes just for the shake of it:

- Bad bits:

So this guy, Nero, manages in a quite unlikely and fortunate manner to go back to the past, before the big catastropher he is so angry about, happened, right?
Couldn't he. You know. Warn Romulus or something, of what is going to happen? I mean, he better have done so, somewhen, off screen, because doesn't he kind of miss a huge chance to avert the destruction of Romulus there, along with everyone he loved/will love? Just saying...
Its not as if his willing act of not doing so, essentially condemns the planet as much as Spock did. And doesn't know where/when to get a cargo load of Red Matter from.

And sure enough, I might have excused that, by virtue of him being pissed (Man you know how getting your planet destroyed is like. You just lose it), if, according to the movie, he wasn't sitting in the past for 25 frigging years!

I mean. Ok. I don't expect everyone to do the tactically & strategically intelligent thing upon going to the past, that is, go straight to the RSE and give them your ship, so that the Empire gets a huge boost in technology, in the TOS era, and then can take the galaxy over with a fleet, of such ships. (I would) But you would have thought that in the 25 years he was sitting, the thought would have crossed their mind. I know he is all traumatized and everything, but you would think 25 years is enough of a cool down period.

And what has he been doing for 25 years anyway? Playing golf? Making the biggest non-sensial platform based interior inside his borg squid?
Yes. Ok. He was waiting for Spock. No reason he couldn't wait for Spock and do something else though.
Argh. You can blow half the federation up as far as I am concerned, and reboot the series up to the point where they fly X-wings launching from Battlestars with Isengard shield technology, but please, dammit do it realistically. Thought processes like this really get on my nerves.

Uhura & Spock:
I don't have any problem with it, but it was a bit out of the blue.

Comic:
I "acquired it" and read it, but expecting people to read a comic in order to understand what is really going on, is a bit silly.

- Good bits:

Bridge. (Which I refuse to put "i" in front of it, because Apple didn't invent minimalism). I like it. Much closer to my idea of a super-technological futuristic bridge. If anything, it's not minimalistic enough.
Nitpick: If that thing starts shaking a bit, all those pretty glass screens will be embedding themselves IN YOUR EYES.

Engineering. Oh yes! I love it. Have you even seen a real ships "engineering?" I find the idea that an engineering is composed of something other than touchscreens which you touch and things going "voomp" but actual, engines, rather agreeable. Where things are visible, accessible, easily evaluated wither A is still connected to point B when everything is on fire, and don't require you to go through 10 service panels in order to fix something, only to later find that for reasons of prettiness, it can only be fixed with specially forged components. (damn proprietary connectors!).

Weapons speeds. Oh yes again. That's something in ST that needed fixing. In TNG, at an engagement range of over 10 meters I swear you could probably jump out of the way of a hand phaser, consciously.
Same thing with ship weapons. Currently we have guided, nuclear warhead carrying anti-ship missiles that can do 3 times the speed of sound (and that's with atmospheric friction), I'd expect the least that in Trek. If anything the Narada's missile thingies were rather slow for a super-technological ship, (what? No cutting beams? Awww) and no wonder even the TOS point-defense systems were doing short work of them.

- Random bits:

Is that foldable sword standart issue or Sulu just happens to carry one wherever he goes? Oh-ho. I see what you did there. He is "Asian" therefore he gets to chop up guys with a "Katana". Smooth.

Did Kirk have a Nokia touchscreen phone in his car? For some reason I don't mind the Beer, but if in the sequel I see Kirk getting his starfleet reports in a Mac Air, before putting on his Nike shoes for the away mission, I think I am going to puke a little.