TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[Dante Leonhart]

Did Kirk have a Nokia touchscreen phone in his car? For some reason I don't mind the Beer, but if in the sequel I see Kirk getting his starfleet reports in a Mac Air, before putting on his Nike shoes for the away mission, I think I am going to puke a little.

Add "Blatant Marketing" to "Things I Hated" please.

[newman]

I don't think your definition of minimalism is the same as mine, Senator.. that bridge was anything but minimalistic. True minimalism is a design philosophy that wants to achieve as much as possible with as few elements as possible. The bridge we saw in XI was anything but minimalistic - it was quite filled with layers upon layers of shiny little gimmicks. Just because it reminds people of apple products because of it's white fancyness, doesn't mean it's minimalistic.
You do have a point about Nero sitting on his a$$ for 25 years, though, but if I recall correctly there was a moment in the movie when he said something along the lines of "it's not enough to just save Romulus, I'll wipe out it's enemies in the past so the RSE can be strong".. I doubt the sentence was at all similar, but he did say something to this effect.

[Villain]

Cookie for making me laugh out loud.

While you do make interesting points (And I could agree on a number of the nitpicking) but Hollywood isn't a bottomless pit of intelligence, besides, watching his face before he gets shot through the tubes was worth it!

I'm curious though, how the movie would've been had Nero actually done the intelligent thing. A broken federation in a YoH style universe, the surviving Earth residents following in the footsteps of the crew of the mighty Galactica... I think it'd be quite cool.

And yeah, I recall similar, newman, but still, tell Romulus first, THEN when they know you're around go on to become a hero!

[Aeries]

tell Romulus first, THEN when they know you're around go on to become a hero!

Assuming they'd let him. I recall countless situations wherein a character did something similar, then had their vessel/object/whatever taken away and placed in the hands of someone the ruling body considered to be more responsible [regardless of whether or not they really were, or simply dumb crapheads..] then said ruling body just turns around, gives the guy "thanks" and carries on as if he didn't matter to begin with... I find it's a similar circumstance to when a kid tries to do the RIGHT thing, and an adult shuns him or her's ideas simply because 'hey, it's a kid, it doesn't know anything!' I've actually been in a similar situation when I was a kid... I don't recall much about it, but I do recall being pissed off enough to smack the teacher across the face, flip my desk over and march out of class... xD or something like that... I know I caused a big ruckus at any rate!!

*ahem*

So that bridge is SO not minimalistic. And Senator actually said so:

If anything, it's not minimalistic enough.

So BLEH.

[Dante Leonhart]

tell Romulus first, THEN when they know you're around go on to become a hero!

Assuming they'd let him. I recall countless situations wherein a character did something similar, then had their vessel/object/whatever taken away and placed in the hands of someone the ruling body considered to be more responsible [regardless of whether or not they really were, or simply dumb crapheads..] then said ruling body just turns around, gives the guy "thanks" and carries on as if he didn't matter to begin with... I find it's a similar circumstance to when a kid tries to do the RIGHT thing, and an adult shuns him or her's ideas simply because 'hey, it's a kid, it doesn't know anything!' I've actually been in a similar situation when I was a kid... I don't recall much about it, but I do recall being pissed off enough to smack the teacher across the face, flip my desk over and march out of class... xD or something like that... I know I caused a big ruckus at any rate!!

Yeah I can totally see that plan backfiring on Nero - something he probably had already thought of while he waited for 25 years. He'd go back home, announce his intentions and end up having to destroy his own people's fleet when they came after him for his ship. Knowing how Romulans operate, they wouldn't let the fact that his technology was superior stop them. They'd probably go with subterfuge anyway... either turn one of his operators for them or find a way to put a spy on his ship and kill him... Any numerous number of scenarios that a Romulan might use to aquire what they wanted. Something he most likely thought of while he planned his revenge. After all, being Romulan, he knew how they operated.

[Villain]

tell Romulus first, THEN when they know you're around go on to become a hero!

Assuming they'd let him. I recall countless situations wherein a character did something similar, then had their vessel/object/whatever taken away and placed in the hands of someone the ruling body considered to be more responsible [regardless of whether or not they really were, or simply dumb crapheads..] then said ruling body just turns around, gives the guy "thanks" and carries on as if he didn't matter to begin with... I find it's a similar circumstance to when a kid tries to do the RIGHT thing, and an adult shuns him or her's ideas simply because 'hey, it's a kid, it doesn't know anything!' I've actually been in a similar situation when I was a kid... I don't recall much about it, but I do recall being pissed off enough to smack the teacher across the face, flip my desk over and march out of class... xD or something like that... I know I caused a big ruckus at any rate!!

*ahem*

So that bridge is SO not minimalistic. And Senator actually said so:

If anything, it's not minimalistic enough.

So BLEH.

Did you see that ship? They'd be morons to try and stop him.

[Dalek]

They'd probably scan his ship and either:

a) Try to blow him up.
b) Make everyone try and blow him up
c) Start packing their bags and leave Romulus and rather conveniently miss the supernova, thus Nero saving them all by accident.

[Aeries]

Did you see that ship? They'd be morons to try and stop him.

Not the point. All they have to do is call him and some/most of his crew down to the imperial high command thing for a meeting, arrest them and charge them for committing acts of terrorism and half a thousand other charges without authorization from the imperial high command and POOF! Arrest them all on the spot. Seen it done. Is amusing.

[Villain]

I'd say more "In that order" than a multiple choice.

Did you see that ship? They'd be morons to try and stop him.

Not the point. All they have to do is call him and some/most of his crew down to the imperial high command thing for a meeting, arrest them and charge them for committing acts of terrorism and hal a thousand others without authorization from the imperial high command and POO! Arrest them all on the spot. Seen it done. Is amusing.

How do they learn to operate a ship from so far in the future with technology they've never seen?

[Dante Leonhart]

How do they learn to operate a ship from so far in the future with technology they've never seen?

Probably the same way Spock did

[Aeries]

How do they learn to operate a ship from so far in the future with technology they've never seen?

How did Chronoworks disassemble Braxton's ship and use its' technology to slowly but surely invent personal computing on earth?

[Dalek]

How do they learn to operate a ship from so far in the future with technology they've never seen?

How did Chronoworks disassemble Braxton's ship and use its' technology to slowly but surely invent personal computing on earth?

Considering it took roughly 30 years to just about get personal computing (I think, I can never quite remember the exact details of every eipsode now can I ), thats your answer there isn't it?

[Dante Leonhart]

Are we going to skip over the fact that Spock literally sat down and operated a ship that technologically advanced?

True, he designed it himself (kinda) but all he had to do was literally sit down and have at it. I don't think the Romulans would have that much more trouble... certainly not YEARS of learning. They'd probably get it moving within days, if not hours.

[Aeries]

Considering it took roughly 30 years to just about get personal computing (I think, I can never quite remember the exact details of every eipsode now can I ), thats your answer there isn't it?

Well, not necessarily. See, the romulans are already pretty advanced at this stage... Whereas Braxton was dealing with something 10 centuries [1,000 years] ahead of his day, the romulans would (A): Be dealing with something less than half of that time frame difference, (B): Have better technology than Chronoworks to be able to analyze the new technology and discover how to use at least some of it, and finally (C): Be more capable of retrofitting or upgrading their own technologies because of factor (B).

But that's just all in theory.

[Dalek]

Are we going to skip over the fact that Spock literally sat down and operated a ship that technologically advanced?

It looks that way. I suppose he does have a hundred years+ as science officer and Ambassador and snooping on Romulus to give at least a few pointers. For all we know, Nero just rigged it to do the simple things. Go hear, go there, prevent BSOD's and fire really big weapons.

[Nebula]

or it was all voice activated... the computer was telling Spock everything...

[newman]

I'd liked to have seen an alternative timeline where the federation falls in an alternative, changed timeline, and how would this have affected the characters we knew. 'Cause this story doesn't make sense unless you read a comic most moviegoers didn't even hear about, and even then the plotholes aren't really repaired, they merely have some planks over them so you don't break your ankle in them. Might have as well gone for something radically different - if the whole point of creating an alternative timeline was to have total freedom to do what you want, why go for a slightly different federation? I say, tear it down, bring on chaos and destruction, and see how our previously optimistic heroes fare in this totally different setting. Alas, we got the "must read the comic to make even a little sense", more-of-the-same-but-now-in-MTV-style version. Which is why I'm still not happy with this movie, and never will be.

[Tuskin38]

They should have kept the Rura Penthe scene in the movie! I think he let him self get captured so he could have some fun with the Klingons. I mean how would they have captured him off his ship?


Also, a lot more references to other movies/episodes added here:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek_(film)#References_to_previous_Star_Trek_episodes_and_films.2C_and_other_media


I find this one Cool

As Kirk climbs out of the shuttle on Delta Vega, his back-pack reads, "NCC-1701-D," a reference to Picard's Enterprise.

[Villain]

Something like the Mirror Universe episodes in DS9, newman? If that's what you're thinking I can say definitely YES for sure.

[newman]

Yea, maybe not the same thing, but.. something along those lines. It would be interesting to see the federation reduced to a resistance movement.